Post by: tdot24 on April 02, 2025, 10:47:05 AM
Post by: KB88 on April 02, 2025, 02:08:59 PM
Post by: OltHunter on April 02, 2025, 02:48:16 PM
Are the Montana draw results out yet?! Jk sorry I had to, I’m jealous of you all who have 2 pts, I have 1 so def not expecting to get in this year. Good luck to all!
Why do you have 1 point? Did you buy a preference point while applying?
With the way the draw is, you have 0% to draw with 1 unless you're doing deer only.
Just a FYI. Odds are weird and not sure if you knew that or not.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 02, 2025, 02:55:16 PM
They dont let you buy a preference point later on if you apply with zero.Are the Montana draw results out yet?! Jk sorry I had to, I’m jealous of you all who have 2 pts, I have 1 so def not expecting to get in this year. Good luck to all!
Why do you have 1 point? Did you buy a preference point while applying? With the way the draw is, you have 0% to draw unless you're doing deer only.
It's better to go in with zero, if you don't draw then buy the point in the summer when it opens, then buy one at application time to go in with 2 the following year.
Just a FYI. Odds are weird and not sure if you knew that or not.
Post by: Alan K on April 02, 2025, 03:17:45 PM
Post by: OltHunter on April 02, 2025, 03:44:32 PM
They dont let you buy a preference point later on if you apply with zero.Are the Montana draw results out yet?! Jk sorry I had to, I’m jealous of you all who have 2 pts, I have 1 so def not expecting to get in this year. Good luck to all!
Why do you have 1 point? Did you buy a preference point while applying? With the way the draw is, you have 0% to draw unless you're doing deer only.
It's better to go in with zero, if you don't draw then buy the point in the summer when it opens, then buy one at application time to go in with 2 the following year.
Just a FYI. Odds are weird and not sure if you knew that or not.
Well that would make sense then! thanks for letting me know. I crossed out that bit above.
BUT - wouldn't it be cheaper to not apply with 1 since it's 0%, then buy the point in the summer, and then reapply buying the point the next year instead. I haven't applied in a while to MT and not up to speed on refunds and costs. I feel like it costs more than $100 to apply to the combo when you don't draw.
Post by: pickardjw on April 02, 2025, 03:56:19 PM
Applied for special permit elk too.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 02, 2025, 04:13:53 PM
Got a group with some doing deer only, some doing big game combo. Deer guys applied as a group, the rest of us applied separately for big game combo. Hope it doesn't bite us in butt!you can't draw an LE permit without first drawing the genral combo. If you don't draw general combo your name isn't even in the hat for the permit.
Applied for special permit elk too. If I don't draw big game combo but hit that special permit I'll be happy.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 02, 2025, 04:26:14 PM
Got a group with some doing deer only, some doing big game combo. Deer guys applied as a group, the rest of us applied separately for big game combo. Hope it doesn't bite us in butt!you can't draw an LE permit without first drawing the genral combo. If you don't draw general combo your name isn't even in the hat for the permit.
Applied for special permit elk too. If I don't draw big game combo but hit that special permit I'll be happy.
:yeah: Its a dual gauntlet to get drawn for a special permit in Montana
Post by: ganghis on April 02, 2025, 04:33:59 PM
Post by: stonefly on April 02, 2025, 05:07:39 PM
Post by: tdot24 on April 02, 2025, 05:26:49 PM
Post by: MADMAX on April 02, 2025, 06:24:18 PM
All with 2 pts
Post by: Dan-o on April 02, 2025, 06:29:27 PM
I missed the deadline............ Not happy with myself.
Post by: MADMAX on April 02, 2025, 06:44:01 PM
:( :'( :bash:
I missed the deadline............ Not happy with myself.
Better load up your phone calendar reminders and make them recurring annually
Post by: bear on April 02, 2025, 07:30:50 PM
Post by: Wingin it on April 02, 2025, 07:41:09 PM
Post by: JakeLand on April 02, 2025, 07:52:23 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 02, 2025, 08:28:41 PM
Unless something has changed that I am unaware of I believe 2 points is an automatic draw? Maybe if you put in as a party and there aren’t enough permits left you get passed over?3pts is automatic draw.
Post by: OltHunter on April 02, 2025, 09:13:16 PM
Post by: pickardjw on April 02, 2025, 09:22:23 PM
Got a group with some doing deer only, some doing big game combo. Deer guys applied as a group, the rest of us applied separately for big game combo. Hope it doesn't bite us in butt!you can't draw an LE permit without first drawing the genral combo. If you don't draw general combo your name isn't even in the hat for the permit.
Applied for special permit elk too. If I don't draw big game combo but hit that special permit I'll be happy.
Yep, didn't think that through
Post by: tdot24 on April 02, 2025, 09:52:14 PM
Post by: Wingin it on April 02, 2025, 09:54:11 PM
Unless something has changed that I am unaware of I believe 2 points is an automatic draw? Maybe if you put in as a party and there aren’t enough permits left you get passed over?3pts is automatic draw.
Yeah, I was thinking of deer combo.
Post by: OltHunter on April 02, 2025, 10:24:00 PM
https://myfwp.mt.gov/fwpPub/drawingStatistics
Post by: spookgus on April 02, 2025, 10:32:24 PM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 03, 2025, 08:28:08 AM
Post by: Craig on April 03, 2025, 09:40:40 AM
Post by: huntingaddiction on April 03, 2025, 11:48:25 AM
We’re in with 1pt this yr for deer elk combo, we drew last yr - might just be a B tag hunt this yrWhy would you buy a preference point and go in with one point?? That's 0% draw odds?
Post by: bustedoldman on April 03, 2025, 01:04:13 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2025, 01:05:36 PM
So how do the "Bonus" points factor in?
Bonus points are for the special permits and preference points are for your general combo licenses.
Post by: bustedoldman on April 03, 2025, 01:07:55 PM
So how do the "Bonus" points factor in?
Bonus points are for the special permits and preference points are for your general combo licenses.
Understood...Thanks!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 03, 2025, 02:15:06 PM
while applying with 1 isn't the right strategy, getting points is. As the 0pt pool odds continue to decrease and the points pool continues to get flushed out after MT eliminated point banking, it's wise to look at 100% odds every other year vs sub 50% every year. Draw tag. Buy points falling fall. Apply next spring and purchase point. Draw the tag. Rinse and repeat.We’re in with 1pt this yr for deer elk combo, we drew last yr - might just be a B tag hunt this yrWhy would you buy a preference point and go in with one point?? That's 0% draw odds?
You can certainly get lucky in the 0 pool and score multiple years but you could also be like my dad and go 0 for 3. Id much rather have the predictability of every other year :twocents:
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 03, 2025, 03:15:12 PM
while applying with 1 isn't the right strategy, getting points is. As the 0pt pool odds continue to decrease and the points pool continues to get flushed out after MT eliminated point banking, it's wise to look at 100% odds every other year vs sub 50% every year. Draw tag. Buy points falling fall. Apply next spring and purchase point. Draw the tag. Rinse and repeat.We’re in with 1pt this yr for deer elk combo, we drew last yr - might just be a B tag hunt this yrWhy would you buy a preference point and go in with one point?? That's 0% draw odds?
You can certainly get lucky in the 0 pool and score multiple years but you could also be like my dad and go 0 for 3. Id much rather have the predictability of every other year :twocents:
Ya we are pretty much on the every other year horn hunting plan - the in between yrs we hunt B tags- have been hunting Montana continuous now for quite a few years in a row
Post by: huntandjeep on April 03, 2025, 05:34:21 PM
:( :'( :bash:So did we . Although after what we saw ( or lack there of ) of any decent deer . We are happy to sit out a year or two .
I missed the deadline............ Not happy with myself.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 03, 2025, 08:30:13 PM
We expect to draw with 2 points. Got this guy waiting for us right on idaho border.:( :'( :bash:So did we . Although after what we saw ( or lack there of ) of any decent deer . We are happy to sit out a year or two .
I missed the deadline............ Not happy with myself.
Post by: ganghis on April 04, 2025, 07:42:15 AM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 04, 2025, 02:44:23 PM
Kind of scared to see what the success rate w 2 pts is this year...seems like there's lots of guys w 2 pts. Could be that it comes down to 50-60% which would be no bueno.
Nah I think it will be about the same as the last few years
Post by: Wingin it on April 04, 2025, 06:19:52 PM
Post by: tdot24 on April 09, 2025, 10:04:23 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 09, 2025, 10:38:07 AM
Post by: mburrows on April 14, 2025, 08:03:52 AM
Post by: tdot24 on April 14, 2025, 08:29:02 AM
Post by: pd on April 14, 2025, 08:40:51 AM
Post by: mburrows on April 14, 2025, 09:23:59 AM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 14, 2025, 10:05:41 AM
Post by: BrockWeilep on April 14, 2025, 10:07:54 AM
JK
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Post by: westside bull on April 14, 2025, 01:02:01 PM
Post by: ganghis on April 14, 2025, 04:35:07 PM
90% chance with 2 points, 40% chance with 0 points. 1% chance with 1 pt ( it happens)
Hopefully I'm wrong, but if I were a betting man (which I am), that 2 pts percentage is coming down quite a bit this year. Point creep is real, even MT - the only thing keeping it down is the requirement you have to apply each year or lose your preference points for the big game draw.
Post by: Birddown on April 15, 2025, 10:40:10 AM
Post by: BrockWeilep on April 15, 2025, 10:54:55 AM
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Post by: TriggerMike on April 15, 2025, 12:24:40 PM
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Post by: MADMAX on April 15, 2025, 12:46:06 PM
Post by: bustedoldman on April 15, 2025, 12:53:36 PM
I no longer have 2 preference points :tup:
Same for me.....
Post by: TriggerMike on April 15, 2025, 01:26:19 PM
X3....I no longer have 2 preference points :tup:
Same for me.....
Post by: pd on April 15, 2025, 01:42:48 PM
Boy I would not want to be MTW&P when Karl finds out they didn't do what he told them. Boss gonna be mad!
Post by: tdot24 on April 15, 2025, 01:44:00 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 15, 2025, 01:55:53 PM
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Post by: MADMAX on April 15, 2025, 02:08:06 PM
Post by: JakeLand on April 15, 2025, 02:12:29 PM
Post by: pickardjw on April 15, 2025, 02:13:00 PM
App was the easiest to check for me.
Post by: Birddown on April 15, 2025, 02:22:13 PM
Post by: highside74 on April 15, 2025, 02:22:56 PM
Post by: Birddown on April 15, 2025, 02:25:18 PM
Didn't draw😭
How many points?
Post by: highside74 on April 15, 2025, 02:26:51 PM
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Post by: pd on April 15, 2025, 03:32:53 PM
They're gonna hit the post button on their way out the door boys. Buckle up. You heard it here first :chuckle:
Dear Lord. Look at the time stamp. Only 8 minutes passed since he posted this, and the results went live.
So are you Shaniqua?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 15, 2025, 03:38:35 PM
told them they could take off an hour early if they posted on their way out.They're gonna hit the post button on their way out the door boys. Buckle up. You heard it here first :chuckle:
Dear Lord. Look at the time stamp. Only 8 minutes passed since he posted this, and the results went live.
So are you Shaniqua?
Post by: bear on April 15, 2025, 03:45:29 PM
Post by: ganghis on April 15, 2025, 03:54:32 PM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 15, 2025, 04:03:52 PM
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Post by: elk79 on April 15, 2025, 04:54:14 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 15, 2025, 05:05:34 PM
Apologize, ahead time for the goofy question. Mine says pending at the top of the result page. Does that mean still waiting for the official results?First year applying in Montana. ThanksAll that matters is a bit further down the page below "successful "
Post by: elk79 on April 15, 2025, 05:12:20 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 16, 2025, 07:32:30 AM
Post by: pickardjw on April 16, 2025, 07:35:41 AM
Anyone not draw with 2 or draw with one??
Yep, went 2/3 on big game combo in our group with 2 pts. Maybe should have applied as a party instead of individual.
Post by: bear on April 16, 2025, 07:42:21 AM
Post by: OltHunter on April 16, 2025, 07:45:29 AM
Drew Combo - of course 2 pts. Anyone not draw with 2 or draw with one??
It's essentially impossible to draw the combo big game with 1 point unless they change the draw.
Had a buddy draw with 2, and another buddy with 0.
Post by: Brushbuster on April 16, 2025, 08:46:59 AM
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Post by: 3nails on April 16, 2025, 11:15:54 AM
Post by: JakeLand on April 16, 2025, 05:44:38 PM
Back to rattling whitetails in the NW corner. Crazy to me how few hunters take advantage of the area.I’ll be checking out the whitetail up there after elk hunting
Post by: 3nails on April 17, 2025, 06:15:18 AM
Have you hunted there before?Back to rattling whitetails in the NW corner. Crazy to me how few hunters take advantage of the area.I’ll be checking out the whitetail up there after elk hunting
Post by: JakeLand on April 17, 2025, 08:19:59 AM
north of Libby and up around the reservoirHave you hunted there before?Back to rattling whitetails in the NW corner. Crazy to me how few hunters take advantage of the area.I’ll be checking out the whitetail up there after elk hunting
Post by: robescc on April 17, 2025, 12:52:42 PM
Post by: 3nails on April 17, 2025, 01:25:02 PM
Deer population has rebounded nicely the last 5 years.north of Libby and up around the reservoirHave you hunted there before?Back to rattling whitetails in the NW corner. Crazy to me how few hunters take advantage of the area.I’ll be checking out the whitetail up there after elk hunting
Post by: The scout on April 17, 2025, 02:02:05 PM
Back to rattling whitetails in the NW corner. Crazy to me how few hunters take advantage of the area.
It’s because there whitetails :chuckle:
Post by: Tbob on April 17, 2025, 02:38:25 PM
Post by: 3nails on April 17, 2025, 04:01:05 PM
Yes definitely inferior to blacktails. But greatly superior to donkey heads. ;)Back to rattling whitetails in the NW corner. Crazy to me how few hunters take advantage of the area.
It’s because there whitetails :chuckle:
Post by: Doublelunger on April 17, 2025, 08:55:49 PM
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Post by: ganghis on April 21, 2025, 01:27:29 PM
Post by: dvolmer on April 21, 2025, 02:28:08 PM
Looks like the draw stats are out. For 2025 NR big game combo, 2pts had 84% success rate, 1pt had 0% as expected, 0pts had 53%. That's down from 90/0/57 last year, but not down as much as I thought it might be. The reason it's not down more is more and more guys are going over there to do a DIY hunt on public and/or block management lands and finding out the hunting wasn't the experience they thought it would be. Montana is a tough hunt now if you don't have a secret honey-hole or access to some private land. Lots of guys go over with stars in there eyes and come home frustrated with not much to show for it and it wasn't cheap either.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 24, 2025, 11:00:42 AM
Your logic is a little off. The tags were HARDER to draw this year, not easier. More folks put in than last year at both the 2 point level and 0 point level.Looks like the draw stats are out. For 2025 NR big game combo, 2pts had 84% success rate, 1pt had 0% as expected, 0pts had 53%. That's down from 90/0/57 last year, but not down as much as I thought it might be. The reason it's not down more is more and more guys are going over there to do a DIY hunt on public and/or block management lands and finding out the hunting wasn't the experience they thought it would be. Montana is a tough hunt now if you don't have a secret honey-hole or access to some private land. Lots of guys go over with stars in there eyes and come home frustrated with not much to show for it and it wasn't cheap either.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 24, 2025, 11:06:05 AM
My personal advice if a guy really wants to hunt is plug it into your app strategy as an every other year tag :twocents:
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 24, 2025, 12:39:29 PM
The system is working exactly as they want it to. Play the points game and hunt every other year, or gamble on the zero point pool and cross your fingers. There were less applicants overall this year. It's been a slight decrease annually since the covid boom.
My personal advice if a guy really wants to hunt is plug it into your app strategy as an every other year tag :twocents:
That’s pretty much what we do and it’s been working out- horn tags every other yr , B tags in between
Post by: baker5150 on April 24, 2025, 04:03:08 PM
The system is working exactly as they want it to. Play the points game and hunt every other year, or gamble on the zero point pool and cross your fingers. There were less applicants overall this year. It's been a slight decrease annually since the covid boom.
My personal advice if a guy really wants to hunt is plug it into your app strategy as an every other year tag :twocents:
That’s pretty much what we do and it’s been working out- horn tags every other yr , B tags in between
Same
We also hit the Alt list whch can be favorable. 3 out of 4 of us had our number hit last year. Gues who the 4th was that didn't >:(
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 24, 2025, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: Tbob on April 26, 2025, 06:58:12 AM
Looks like the draw stats are out. For 2025 NR big game combo, 2pts had 84% success rate, 1pt had 0% as expected, 0pts had 53%. That's down from 90/0/57 last year, but not down as much as I thought it might be. The reason it's not down more is more and more guys are going over there to do a DIY hunt on public and/or block management lands and finding out the hunting wasn't the experience they thought it would be. Montana is a tough hunt now if you don't have a secret honey-hole or access to some private land. Lots of guys go over with stars in there eyes and come home frustrated with not much to show for it and it wasn't cheap either.
I’ve been one of those DIY guys for the last 6 years. I always have a great adventure. I usually have a buck and B tag with me. I still always see more deer in A day in MT than I do all season in WA. It might not be as good as it used to be, but I still think it’s some pretty great hunting out there.
Post by: pd on April 26, 2025, 02:43:47 PM
The system is working exactly as they want it to. Play the points game and hunt every other year, or gamble on the zero point pool and cross your fingers. There were less applicants overall this year. It's been a slight decrease annually since the covid boom.
I guess that I am still confused about the MT system. (By the way, as noted above my partner and I did draw the big game combination, with 2 points each.)
For the 2025 statistics (posted earlier by Ganghis), an applicant with 1 point had a 0% chance of drawing the combination, but someone with 0 points had a 53% of success?? Did I get that right? I am completely new to this, so I approach this with open eyes. Could somebody explain this to the thicker ones amongst us (to me)?
Post by: Mtnwalker on April 26, 2025, 02:54:15 PM
The system is working exactly as they want it to. Play the points game and hunt every other year, or gamble on the zero point pool and cross your fingers. There were less applicants overall this year. It's been a slight decrease annually since the covid boom.
I guess that I am still confused about the MT system. (By the way, as noted above my partner and I did draw the big game combination, with 2 points each.)
For the 2025 statistics (posted earlier by Ganghis), an applicant with 1 point had a 0% chance of drawing the combination, but someone with 0 points had a 53% of success?? Did I get that right? I am completely new to this, so I approach this with open eyes. Could somebody explain this to the thicker ones amongst us (to me)?
There is a percentage of tags that are set aside as a random draw for non-point holders. Since they are preference points and not bonus points, the point holders draw from the top down, so the one point holders are ineligible for the random pool but don’t have enough points to draw on preference
Post by: mburrows on April 26, 2025, 07:14:24 PM
So if there are enough applicants with >1.5 point and they consume the 75% then those with <1.5 don't get a tag.
Post by: Threewolves on April 26, 2025, 07:54:50 PM
I think Mt figured out a total amount of folks applying and figured out this method of spreading success out over a couple of years so you are at least drawing every 3, 4 years. It keepe that 35.00 processing fee coming every year from everyone applying.
Newberg plainly explains in other videos how MT Fish and Wildlife is built of the backs on non residents hunters.
This year with one point added, it was 1,450.00. Looks like I am getting mine back unfortunately
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Post by: ganghis on April 26, 2025, 09:58:13 PM
Post by: Threewolves on April 27, 2025, 08:57:36 AM
Montana is beautiful. They also have good game populations (more on the elk side than mule deer right now, but both are better than wa). Outside of a few units MT is managed for opportunity so don't expect great trophies. But it's a fun place to hunt and I have family there so it fits the bill in a lot of waysYep, that's why like it!
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Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on May 12, 2025, 03:35:35 PM
Post by: Wingin it on May 12, 2025, 06:14:30 PM
How long does it usually take to get your tag mailed to you?They should be showing up soon.
Post by: JakeLand on May 12, 2025, 06:45:27 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on May 13, 2025, 07:46:17 AM
I like the old school separation.
A little paranoid about the state getting all the location information and then letting it walk out the door.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 13, 2025, 02:43:53 PM
Until you lose your phone. Losing my phone would suck. Losing my phone and tag at the same time has been my hang up.I've never lost a phone in the 22ish years I've had a cell phone but I've definitely had to buy duplicate tags and licenses on multiple occasions :chuckle: My phone is my camera, my communication, my navigation, and my mapping. No way I lose that over my paper tags :twocents:
I like the old school separation.
A little paranoid about the state getting all the location information and then letting it walk out the door.
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It's been discussed before but there is no location tagging with the app.
Post by: dreamingbig on May 13, 2025, 03:23:06 PM
It is the same for me (always on it for mapping, camera etc). I haven’t lost a paper tag yet.
I get both sides.
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