Post by: Lokaybinnity on May 13, 2025, 06:37:45 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2025, 06:42:50 AM
Post by: Bob33 on May 13, 2025, 06:43:53 AM
I went to submit my special permits this year, and it shows some new hunts in the alkili unit in the bull category checked them out did some calling around and research and decided that it was a hunt I'm interested in. when i went to submit the option to put in for those hunts it isn't available, it shows the hunts in the regulation pamphlet and everywhere on line, but not when i go to pick it as a choice. does anyone have some insight on this. my next step is to call the dept.I noticed they removed an Alkali elk permit from the Over 65 category. I wondered why.
Post by: Lokaybinnity on May 13, 2025, 07:14:46 AM
Did you purchase a "bull elk" application, or maybe you have the "quality elk" application instead? Or, do you have the correct weapon choice and on your elk tag for the hunt permit you're wanting to apply for? Also you have an "east" elk tag, correct?
oh yeah i have everything i even have multi elk this year it just doesn't show that particular hunt all the other hunts are there but that one, which i found odd its in the paper regs and online but when you go to submit that one is gone and its gone under mordern firearm and archery and muzzy and the cow permit ones are gone as well.
Post by: Bob33 on May 13, 2025, 07:48:56 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2025, 07:51:36 AM
I do wonder if this is due to recent reports that the Yakima Training Center has been closed to the public.
Post by: bigdub257 on May 13, 2025, 08:10:07 AM
Post by: kirkl on May 13, 2025, 08:18:56 AM
Post by: JWBINX on May 13, 2025, 08:19:16 AM
I did some investigating last week. They are not going to allow any hunting on the YTC this year per orders from the commanding officer. Bummer for sure. Approximately 400 tag opportunities eliminated for several weapon types and age classifications from youth to seniors. The main reason I was told is lack of base personnel to monitor the check-in process and police the hunting areas.
That's a total Bummer!
Post by: Lokaybinnity on May 13, 2025, 08:30:23 AM
I did some investigating last week. They are not going to allow any hunting on the YTC this year per orders from the commanding officer. Bummer for sure. Approximately 400 tag opportunities eliminated for several weapon types and age classifications from youth to seniors. The main reason I was told is lack of base personnel to monitor the check-in process and police the hunting areas.
did you hear this from the dept. because if you did I don't believe the dept. I talked to the guy that mans the gate. there is only one way in and one way out and you can only go in at a certain time and have to be out at a certain time and if you get one down late all you have to do is call and they know you will be late how many guys do you need to do that. i believe there is something else going on. unless you heard it from the horses mouth. i believe the horses mouth would be the guards or commanding officer him self. im going to call the guy i talked to if i can find his number. If you did than I will just complain to my self and find another unit to put in for.
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2025, 08:37:16 AM
Post by: kirkl on May 13, 2025, 08:51:06 AM
Thank you for contacting WDFW Wildlife Program, Beginning June 1, 2025, the U.S. Army’s Yakima Training Center (YTC) is closing public access to YTC land, which includes Game Management Unit (GMU) 371 (Alkali).
The U.S. Army made this decision due to staff reductions and hiring constraints.
Post by: bornhunter on May 13, 2025, 08:52:19 AM
Post by: Lokaybinnity on May 13, 2025, 08:58:17 AM
Post by: kirkl on May 13, 2025, 09:06:29 AM
well that's a bummer, just more opportunity gone wonder if we will be able to put in next year. thanks for you guys time.I asked back if forever or year to year decision and they said they dont know as its an Army decision.
Post by: Tbar on May 13, 2025, 09:09:37 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2025, 09:37:22 AM
Doge move? Land management is a difficult and expensive exercise.had to cut the guys who wear dresses, lol.
Post by: Pegasus on May 13, 2025, 09:54:12 AM
Post by: buglebuster on May 13, 2025, 09:58:12 AM
They have not cancelled the permits already submitted with Alkali as a choice. That should improve odds for drawing if no one else can apply... :chuckle:
Oh but they did
Post by: Pegasus on May 13, 2025, 10:06:03 AM
They have not cancelled the permits already submitted with Alkali as a choice. That should improve odds for drawing if no one else can apply... :chuckle:
Oh but they did
Maybe yours but not mine.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2025, 10:25:58 AM
not my wife’s either.They have not cancelled the permits already submitted with Alkali as a choice. That should improve odds for drawing if no one else can apply... :chuckle:
Oh but they did
Maybe yours but not mine.
Post by: brokenvet on May 13, 2025, 10:41:07 AM
It's really depressing, I was planning on going there for a cow elk in August.
Post by: waterdrinker9 on May 13, 2025, 11:49:17 AM
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Post by: greenhead_killer on May 13, 2025, 01:07:19 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2025, 02:01:05 PM
That’s a bummer. They finally moved those tags back to bull tag instead of the quality. I was able to submit mine but I’m assuming it’s going to get kicked back. Not much option for muzzy bull elk tagsI just started a thread on that, people need to change their choices sooner than later or it’s gonna take longer to clean up the drawings!!
Post by: kirkl on May 13, 2025, 03:06:05 PM
Yep, theyll come out and say oh were giving people an extra two weeks to change their ytc permits lolThat’s a bummer. They finally moved those tags back to bull tag instead of the quality. I was able to submit mine but I’m assuming it’s going to get kicked back. Not much option for muzzy bull elk tagsI just started a thread on that, people need to change their choices sooner than later or it’s gonna take longer to clean up the drawings!!
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2025, 03:15:39 PM
yup, and because one person called and asked them too!! Procrastinators suuuuuuck!Yep, theyll come out and say oh were giving people an extra two weeks to change their ytc permits lolThat’s a bummer. They finally moved those tags back to bull tag instead of the quality. I was able to submit mine but I’m assuming it’s going to get kicked back. Not much option for muzzy bull elk tagsI just started a thread on that, people need to change their choices sooner than later or it’s gonna take longer to clean up the drawings!!
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2025, 03:44:44 PM
Post by: BA Mongor on May 13, 2025, 04:10:53 PM
Post by: time2hunt on May 13, 2025, 04:19:47 PM
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Post by: Bob33 on May 13, 2025, 05:42:52 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on May 13, 2025, 06:04:38 PM
I’m betting the game department leaves it as is the fire center unit will be closed but unit 334 will still be open.
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Isn't all or most of GMU 334 private?
Post by: teanawayslayer on May 13, 2025, 06:16:09 PM
I’m betting the game department leaves it as is the fire center unit will be closed but unit 334 will still be open.yes and firearm restricted
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Isn't all or most of GMU 334 private?
Post by: salmonfinder on May 13, 2025, 06:51:06 PM
Post by: westside bull on May 13, 2025, 07:13:41 PM
Post by: SptnStlk on May 13, 2025, 07:24:59 PM
Instead of simply being bummed and complying with this bogus WDFW tag reduction, please write to the Department of Defense and/or Whitehouse about this. Like someone else said, TA closures are understandable and acceptable - Misson first. This total base closure to hunting is punishment to outdoorsmen and hunters that voted TRUMP. Those guards at the gate are not going anywhere regardless of this change and checking hunters in and out gave them something to do at least. Citing DOGE cuts is total BS... BTW the YTC check in check out process is totally unnecessary and should have gone online years ago - like JBLM.
Post by: time2hunt on May 13, 2025, 07:35:09 PM
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Post by: Berin Denson on May 13, 2025, 08:12:08 PM
Loosen the tinfoil hat the firing center closes every year off and on due to what kind of training is being performed and by what military branch is using it. it usually closes in September for the Japanese troops to train at times. I’ve seen the British troops out there. There’s been issues in the years past of Hunt’s not following the rules by taking alcohol driving through closed areas and then on top of that, unable to control the tribal hunting the simplest way to deal with all kinds of issues, especially on a military basis to close it especially if they think it’s gonna be a busy training year.
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I speak for myself here, but I’ll keep my tinfoil hat on, thank you. The closure is BS regardless of the training status. For years we’ve been able to navigate around the fluctuating training schedules. The big picture here is more hunting opportunity reduced and if we continue to take your suggested stance of sitting on our hands and singing kumbaya the statewide reductions will continue. To all of my fellow tin foil hat owners, reach out to proper government bodies and share your thoughts and concerns.
Post by: dvolmer on May 13, 2025, 09:20:27 PM
Loosen the tinfoil hat the firing center closes every year off and on due to what kind of training is being performed and by what military branch is using it. it usually closes in September for the Japanese troops to train at times. I’ve seen the British troops out there. There’s been issues in the years past of Hunt’s not following the rules by taking alcohol driving through closed areas and then on top of that, unable to control the tribal hunting the simplest way to deal with all kinds of issues, especially on a military basis to close it especially if they think it’s gonna be a busy training year. Yes your points are increasing and you are getting more entries into the pot but they don't compensate you enough for the amount of permit quotas that are being slashed.
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I speak for myself here, but I’ll keep my tinfoil hat on, thank you. The closure is BS regardless of the training status. For years we’ve been able to navigate around the fluctuating training schedules. The big picture here is more hunting opportunity reduced and if we continue to take your suggested stance of sitting on our hands and singing kumbaya the statewide reductions will continue. To all of my fellow tin foil hat owners, reach out to proper government bodies and share your thoughts and concerns.
It's just one more nail in the coffin. This has a domino affect also. All those that would normally put in for these permits will now put in for the last few other permits still available and the odds will go from a million to one to a billion to one for the last few decent permits we have left in this state. Don't fool yourself. It is only going to get worse. Just track the last 10 to 15 years in special permits if you don't believe me. Everybody thinks they have to much skin in the game with their 15-25 points to get out of the game, but the fact is that every year you are not getting drawn and gaining a point, your actual odds of ever drawing one of these quality permits is going down not up. Yes your points are increasing and you are getting more entries into the big pot (and that pot is getting huge) but it cant keep up with the amount of quota that is being slashed more and more each year.
Post by: time2hunt on May 13, 2025, 09:30:01 PM
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Post by: buglebuster on May 14, 2025, 06:51:20 AM
This is not the game department screwing hunters out of Hunting rights. It’s a military installation that is going to be closed for training for a year, possibly two.
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I don’t know why people aren’t grasping this concept
Post by: Pegasus on May 14, 2025, 07:19:49 AM
Post by: blackpowderhunter on May 14, 2025, 07:23:16 AM
because it's the easy button for people to just blame WDFW for things the WDFW can't control lol.This is not the game department screwing hunters out of Hunting rights. It’s a military installation that is going to be closed for training for a year, possibly two.
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I don’t know why people aren’t grasping this concept
i think it sucks, and its bs, but obviously WDFW didnt have a say in the matter or they wouldnt have had the option to chose the hunt.
they got caught in the middle and are scrambling....and likely some yahoos will refuse to change their selections, muck up the draw, and then same people will complain about WDFW's incompetency
Post by: bigdub257 on May 14, 2025, 08:15:03 AM
The problem is that the closure isn't just because of "training". Its because the base commander is using the excuse that his unit is understaffed to close the base, a choice not based the public's interest. This is the kind of thing that if we had a pro-hunting governor the problem would be solved in a day. He would call President Trump and the problem would end. Pretty easy to go over the base commander's head and get the subjective decision changed for the good of the likely Trump voting hunting public in the state.
Exactly. My understanding of the situation is the decision was based on lack of funding for adequate/additional base personnel to monitor the logistics of public hunting on the base. I really doubt the entire base isn't being shut down to the public because of training. There will always be training areas that affect where the public can hunt on the base. It would be nice to know how much,if any, effort was put into securing additional funding to satisfy the the base commander's projected requirements for personnel related to monitoring public hunting. How long has WDFW known about this? As usual, it's probably too late to do anything about it now.
Post by: Woodchuck on May 14, 2025, 08:44:00 AM
Post by: elkslayer069 on May 14, 2025, 09:03:49 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 14, 2025, 11:42:32 AM
Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.If you don’t change your tag and keep alkali as a choice, you will most definetly slow the drawing process down. They have to check each app and make sure the alkali choices are removed and then they will not put a selection in its choice. That is straight from WDFW permit personnel.
Post by: benhuntin on May 14, 2025, 11:51:16 AM
Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.This is where I’m at for sure.
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Post by: trophyhunt on May 14, 2025, 12:04:48 PM
:DOH:Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.This is where I’m at for sure.
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Post by: elkslayer069 on May 14, 2025, 12:13:46 PM
Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.If you don’t change your tag and keep alkali as a choice, you will most definetly slow the drawing process down. They have to check each app and make sure the alkali choices are removed and then they will not put a selection in its choice. That is straight from WDFW permit personnel.
Thats ok with me. I don’t care if it takes longer as long as it’s correct. I’ll change it if Wdfw publishes the change officially but I won’t take the info third hand from someone on the internet. I fully expect a draw disaster with delays every year. Wdfw couldnt conduct a seamless draw if they wanted to. Between redraws and oh I’m sorry you actually didn’t draw that tag to oh well it’s actually this tag you drew not that one type of bs. Not that I don’t believe that you spoke with someone in the department that told you that. The Wdfw can’t decide which hand they eat with and which one they wipe with. Not everyone gets their info from this forum so regardless if everyone on this forum changed their choices it’s going to be screwed up like it or not.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2025, 12:32:10 PM
I get the criticism but why would you intentionally leave an option on your app that isn't valid? You only get a few choices so why use one on a hunt you CANNOT hunt :dunno: Whether we like it or not, the base IS closed to all recreation and it's not opening until there's a new base commander....full stop.Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.If you don’t change your tag and keep alkali as a choice, you will most definetly slow the drawing process down. They have to check each app and make sure the alkali choices are removed and then they will not put a selection in its choice. That is straight from WDFW permit personnel.
Thats ok with me. I don’t care if it takes longer as long as it’s correct. I’ll change it if Wdfw publishes the change officially but I won’t take the info third hand from someone on the internet. I fully expect a draw disaster with delays every year. Wdfw couldnt conduct a seamless draw if they wanted to. Between redraws and oh I’m sorry you actually didn’t draw that tag to oh well it’s actually this tag you drew not that one type of bs. Not that I don’t believe that you spoke with someone in the department that told you that. The Wdfw can’t decide which hand they eat with and which one they wipe with. Not everyone gets their info from this forum so regardless if everyone on this forum changed their choices it’s going to be screwed up like it or not.
Im just a few miles from the front gate and I put in for a lot of different tags out there between the kids and myself but no way I'm wasting a choice on an unhuntable hunt so I edited all of our apps for viable options. My advice is for everyone to do the same :twocents:
I do agree that WDFW merely removing the hunts from being applied for is not enough. They need to put out a press release ASAP as well as removing them from already submitted applications.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2025, 12:38:47 PM
Forgot I needed to do my nephews app as well. The overview page still shows alkali as his first choice but when I got to edit the app the first choice is blank. That spooked me so I just unsubmitted the app and resubmitted. So looks like they possibly removed them already :dunno:
Post by: elkslayer069 on May 14, 2025, 01:18:06 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on May 14, 2025, 01:35:45 PM
I get the criticism but why would you intentionally leave an option on your app that isn't valid? You only get a few choices so why use one on a hunt you CANNOT hunt :dunno: Whether we like it or not, the base IS closed to all recreation and it's not opening until there's a new base commander....full stop.Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.If you don’t change your tag and keep alkali as a choice, you will most definetly slow the drawing process down. They have to check each app and make sure the alkali choices are removed and then they will not put a selection in its choice. That is straight from WDFW permit personnel.
Thats ok with me. I don’t care if it takes longer as long as it’s correct. I’ll change it if Wdfw publishes the change officially but I won’t take the info third hand from someone on the internet. I fully expect a draw disaster with delays every year. Wdfw couldnt conduct a seamless draw if they wanted to. Between redraws and oh I’m sorry you actually didn’t draw that tag to oh well it’s actually this tag you drew not that one type of bs. Not that I don’t believe that you spoke with someone in the department that told you that. The Wdfw can’t decide which hand they eat with and which one they wipe with. Not everyone gets their info from this forum so regardless if everyone on this forum changed their choices it’s going to be screwed up like it or not.
Im just a few miles from the front gate and I put in for a lot of different tags out there between the kids and myself but no way I'm wasting a choice on an unhuntable hunt so I edited all of our apps for viable options. My advice is for everyone to do the same :twocents:
I do agree that WDFW merely removing the hunts from being applied for is not enough. They need to put out a press release ASAP as well as removing them from already submitted applications.
What are they waiting for? They sure send out a lot of emails regarding changes to fishing regulations! Almost daily! :bash:
Post by: elkrack on May 14, 2025, 01:38:06 PM
:DOH:Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.This is where I’m at for sure.
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This is either a great troll or a blockhead :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on May 14, 2025, 02:41:19 PM
What are they waiting for? They sure send out a lot of emails regarding changes to fishing regulations! Almost daily! :bash:Lol. If YTC had crabs or fish we’d have got at least 50 emails by now.
Post by: Woodchuck on May 14, 2025, 02:43:12 PM
I'm sure during some training cycles, crabs can be found. Just sayin.What are they waiting for? They sure send out a lot of emails regarding changes to fishing regulations! Almost daily! :bash:Lol. If YTC had crabs or fish we’d have got at least 50 emails by now.
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Post by: GOcougsHunter on May 14, 2025, 04:01:03 PM
Yakima Training Center Closure Talking Points
May 12, 2025
· Beginning June 1, 2025, the U.S. Army’s Yakima Training Center (YTC) is closing public access to YTC land, which includes Game Management Unit (GMU) 371 (Alkali).
· The U.S. Army made this decision due to staff reductions and hiring constraints.
· GMU 371, located between the Yakima and Columbia River, includes the U.S. Army’s Yakima Firing Center and is a popular area for deer, elk, and upland bird hunting.
· Since hunting will not be allowed on YTC land, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) will not be able to offer elk and deer special hunts in GMU 371.
o 365 elk special hunt permits, and 12 deer special hunt permits will not be available this season.
· WDFW will not be accepting special hunt applications for GMU 371 during the ongoing 2025 special hunt permit application period.
o Hunters who have already submitted a 2025 special hunt permit application including GMU 371 as a hunt choice will be notified and instructed to select a different hunt choice.
· This public access decision will also close a Master Hunter general season in August.
· WDFW received official verbal confirmation of the decision on May 8, 2025. The Army is working on an official letter to WDFW, tribes, and the public for distribution the week of May 12.
· The Army will be responsible for notifying the public and will be the lead on public or media inquiries about this change. WDFW will direct media to the Army to answer questions.
Post by: brokenvet on May 14, 2025, 04:25:55 PM
:chuckle:I'm sure during some training cycles, crabs can be found. Just sayin.What are they waiting for? They sure send out a lot of emails regarding changes to fishing regulations! Almost daily! :bash:Lol. If YTC had crabs or fish we’d have got at least 50 emails by now.
Jock crabs
Post by: Pegasus on May 14, 2025, 04:54:40 PM
This is not the game department screwing hunters out of Hunting rights. It’s a military installation that is going to be closed for training for a year, possibly two.
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The closure is not for just for training. The closure is because the CO of the base is too lazy to be bothered with the additional work required for allowing hunters on base to hunt. Doesn't matter what was done in the past. He has got excuses that don't fly. They always worked around their training schedule if they could in the past. I think most understand this. The CO is probably a DEI promoted dude in a dress that has an axe to grind with Trump voters. Betcha if enough noise is made about this he will be one less dude in a dress or wannabe in the Army.
Post by: rileyb on May 14, 2025, 04:57:14 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on May 14, 2025, 05:52:55 PM
Post by: Pegasus on May 14, 2025, 07:00:47 PM
As near as I can tell through some quick research, the YTC has been open to the public for recreation since 1989 (36 years). Of course the usual restricted training areas dictate the amount of access the public has on any given day. Now, all of a sudden this is not doable.? The current commander took over 7/4/2024 and I believe has a 2 year stint so I guess we can expect this to be the case next year also. Hopefully not in future years, but my experience in this state is once they take away something it never comes back. Frustrating!
I wonder how the tribes feel about the closure. Here is what he said when he assumed command: "And similarly for the tribes. I think for the tribes, one of the things is just continuing to assure them that their cultural rights and their access to these lands will continue. " Unless he has an under the table agreement with them my guess is they are just as disappointed as we are.
https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/community-q-a-lt-col-terry-gambrel-commander-of-the-yakima-training-center/article_246810f6-aea9-11ef-9c44-cba97dc96440.html
Post by: bigdub257 on May 14, 2025, 08:50:46 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 15, 2025, 05:31:51 AM
I'm guessing they won't be disappointed. :twocents:Oh boy, I see where you are going there... Someone's feelings are gonna get hurt with that assumption.. lol
Post by: bigdub257 on May 15, 2025, 03:56:14 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 15, 2025, 04:26:21 PM
UpdateAnd there you have it, Natives will have the place to themselves.....
Post by: Pegasus on May 15, 2025, 04:34:37 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 15, 2025, 04:35:09 PM
UpdateAnd there you have it, Natives will have the place to themselves.....
Who monitors them.🤔
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 15, 2025, 05:02:27 PM
the two gate officers who check in the permit holders🤦♂️UpdateAnd there you have it, Natives will have the place to themselves.....
Who monitors them.🤔
Post by: elkslayer069 on May 15, 2025, 05:07:59 PM
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Post by: time2hunt on May 15, 2025, 05:54:52 PM
Cue the smart a@@ comment in …1….2….(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250516/158d26ae79525419496ec472fea3aea8.jpg)
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 15, 2025, 06:05:59 PM
Cue the smart a@@ comment in …1….2….
I already posted one.😉
Post by: trophyhunt on May 15, 2025, 06:07:05 PM
lol, I meant from the jerky guy ! LolCue the smart a@@ comment in …1….2….(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250516/158d26ae79525419496ec472fea3aea8.jpg)
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 15, 2025, 09:18:42 PM
I think he was implying that if they can check native's in they could check the rest of us in.I know and I was implying it'll be the same amount of gate officers doing it that have always done it. They aren't gonna short staff the front gate.
Post by: Dan-o on May 15, 2025, 09:31:15 PM
I think he was implying that if they can check native's in they could check the rest of us in.I know and I was implying it'll be the same amount of gate officers doing it that have always done it. They aren't gonna short staff the front gate.
:yeah:
Post by: time2hunt on May 16, 2025, 01:56:47 PM
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 16, 2025, 02:24:44 PM
the two gate officers who check in the permit holders🤦♂️UpdateAnd there you have it, Natives will have the place to themselves.....
Who monitors them.🤔
Rhetorical question🤦♂️
Post by: Yakirack on May 16, 2025, 02:30:35 PM
I’m curious now that they are letting tribal members only hunt alkali unit. If this will least open up a possible lawsuit against.
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I'll ask one of my buddies his thoughts. He's a JAG officer and spends time at YTC.
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 16, 2025, 02:37:10 PM
I’m curious now that they are letting tribal members only hunt alkali unit. If this will least open up a possible lawsuit against.
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I was trying to give the YTC the benefit of the doubt until the press release.
Now it just seems shady...
Post by: time2hunt on May 16, 2025, 03:48:53 PM
I’ll be curious what he says I figured they’d have a foot to stand on if they locked us all out but once you start opening it to one group and not another, I think that they’re open themselves up for possible liabilities.I’m curious now that they are letting tribal members only hunt alkali unit. If this will least open up a possible lawsuit against.
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Post by: Pegasus on May 16, 2025, 05:21:39 PM
Post by: RC on May 16, 2025, 05:36:09 PM
I’ll be curious what he says I figured they’d have a foot to stand on if they locked us all out but once you start opening it to one group and not another, I think that they’re open themselves up for possible liabilities.I’m curious now that they are letting tribal members only hunt alkali unit. If this will least open up a possible lawsuit against.
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True, but I believe the tribes were allowed to hunt on Hanford when nobody else was allowed to either. Doesn’t sit well with me at all, but if they could do that, then why not the YTC as well?
Post by: bigdub257 on May 16, 2025, 07:13:22 PM
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Post by: Tbar on May 19, 2025, 07:27:18 AM
DOD is a federal agency, correct? Lawsuit will not happen, and if it does it'll be a quick dismissal. :twocents:I’ll be curious what he says I figured they’d have a foot to stand on if they locked us all out but once you start opening it to one group and not another, I think that they’re open themselves up for possible liabilities.I’m curious now that they are letting tribal members only hunt alkali unit. If this will least open up a possible lawsuit against.
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Post by: Whitefoot on May 19, 2025, 12:52:21 PM
Won't affect us.lol, I meant from the jerky guy ! LolCue the smart a@@ comment in …1….2….(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250516/158d26ae79525419496ec472fea3aea8.jpg)
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Post by: Whitefoot on May 19, 2025, 12:55:33 PM
Even though I think the base commander is in over his head I think he or someone above him realized that a war with the tribes would likely become a national story over tribal rights and would likely result in his removal as CO. He folded like a cheap hooker. Tribes 1, Mostly Trump Voters 0. Problem could have easily been solved by "Bob" Ferguson putting in a call to Donald Trump or Pete Hegseth but he is too busy trying to figure out the next lawsuit to impede the current administration.
Post by: spin05 on May 19, 2025, 11:22:21 PM
Post by: Yakirack on May 20, 2025, 07:41:24 AM
DOD is a federal agency, correct? Lawsuit will not happen, and if it does it'll be a quick dismissal. :twocents:I’ll be curious what he says I figured they’d have a foot to stand on if they locked us all out but once you start opening it to one group and not another, I think that they’re open themselves up for possible liabilities.I’m curious now that they are letting tribal members only hunt alkali unit. If this will least open up a possible lawsuit against.
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This was his sentiment. He said it sucks, but unless Trump heads out there, nothing will alter their decision :chuckle:
Post by: wa.hunter on May 21, 2025, 08:39:21 PM