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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Craig on June 25, 2009, 08:32:05 PM
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Say you shoot a big bull that has a couple busted off points. if you are going to mount it would you leave the points busted off or have them fixed?
Say with the busted points he scores about 330. if the fixed him he would be a 350+ bull.
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Leave it alone and don't fix it. Broken tines and scars add character. If you're going to mount it why not put him on the wall the way you found him. I get guys in all the time wanting to "add inches" to there chipped and broken antlers. I try to discourage it if possible. Even if you repair them it can't be officially scored anyway. ;)
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is that what matters most to you is what he scores? or the Bull you harvested as he was in your memories? I look at it as character not any other way.
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:twocents: I leave as I shot him. If he broke them in the fall then I'd debate it. :twocents:
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Personally I would not fix tines if it was mine , but if it had a broken main beam like say behind the sword I would think about it. I just did a fix on a 350 arizona bull , made a mold of the good side and transfered it to the other. Turned out pretty dang nice. We left the broken tines though.
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I would let it be..
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Heres the bull I fixed:
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looks like you did a good job buck!
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Best to leave it alone, if that is the way you shot it that is the way it should go on the wall :twocents:
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once again Charlie more great work. :tup: one of these days I will hopefully bring you some work...I agree with Rasbo I would also let it be
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Leave it the way he was when harvested, unless as Bone stated it got busted up in the fall. Mark :twocents:
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Impressive repair job. I'm with most of you, chunks and broke off points add character. Leaves me thinking about the battles and skirmishes it MUST have been in to receive such character.
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buck,
that was a nice repair job. Is that the same one you showed me a few weeks back when I was @ yer place. It was amazing how well that turned out. The pics don't do it any justice, a guy needs to see that in person to really see the detail you put into it. Again some great work. Not bad for a guy that don't know what he's doing. ;)
Kris
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I had an Arizona Bull fixed. He was missing a G2 and most of a G3 on one side. I didn't outwardly do it to improve the score, I just like the typical frame and wanted it the way it was before he got his ass kicked. Maybe somehow in my mind I wanted it to be bigger since I had higher expectations going down there and shot this guy on the last day. Looking back I laugh because this bull is a great animal. Would I do it again, I'm not sure. I also mounted it bugling because I already had one in a semi sneak position and wanted something different. Should you only mount an elk bugling if it's shot in the rut? I also understand the idea of leaving them the way they were. Hunting the later hunts in a state like Arizona is tough because a majority of the bulls are broken up. Here's a before and after of him.
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Let them show their "character", its just better like that. Anything else is false. :twocents:
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Break out the JV weld. Your buddies would give you a hard time with all the stainless steel screws in the antlers. :P
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The only Thing I would fix on a Busted up Bull is, Hamburger, Cube Steak, Sirloin Roast ECT.
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nice work charlie-you are the man
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I'm with Bone, I would only consider it if the breaks happened during a fall after the shot has been made!
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Somehow or another my Dad managed to shoot the horn off the biggest of his two caribou bulls the year me and my brother and him went to Quebec, not sure if he was excited or what the hell happened, strangest damn thing I even seen him do, shooting that horn off, right above the bez tines. Anyway, he fixed it, and I don't blame him for fixing it. But if your gonna fix just plain old broken tines that the bull got or buck got naturally, then why not add a drop tine, or split brows, or that 7th tine you always wanted on an elk. For me if it broke during the hunt, shot off, broke during the fall, something like that then it's fine to fix. If you don't like the way he looks when you shoot him, then don't shoot him.
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exactly.
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Bingo.
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Hmm, and if you have 5,000 into a hunt and all you see is every bull busted up and wait till the end to take a bull, I dont have a problem with it. Im sorry , but I would'nt NOT shoot a busted bull with money wraped up in a guided hunt. Dang right, I would be filling the freezer. As for the fix that is completely personal preferance.
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Somehow or another my Dad managed to shoot the horn off the biggest of his two caribou bulls the year me and my brother and him went to Quebec, not sure if he was excited or what the hell happened, strangest damn thing I even seen him do, shooting that horn off, right above the bez tines. Anyway, he fixed it, and I don't blame him for fixing it. But if your gonna fix just plain old broken tines that the bull got or buck got naturally, then why not add a drop tine, or split brows, or that 7th tine you always wanted on an elk. For me if it broke during the hunt, shot off, broke during the fall, something like that then it's fine to fix. If you don't like the way he looks when you shoot him, then don't shoot him.
:yeah:
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If you don't like the way he looks when you shoot him, then don't shoot him.
That is if your primary objective is horn. I like big animals but my like eating them better. In Az I saw 5 bulls in 7 days and took one on the last day. Some of you guys crack me up. Sorry I don't think by fixing a couple broken tines it makes you a liar, cheater, trying to get away with something etc. It means you want to preserve the memory of the hunt and you can do that any way you want. :twocents:
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What does replacing tines that were not there on your hunt have to do with preserving the memory?
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Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out :chuckle:
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I like fake and real :chuckle:
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Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out :chuckle:
Yeah, fake boobs may look great but the real things are much more fun to play with. Wait, we were supposed to be talking about horny...uh, I mean horns...no wait...antlers, right? Sorry, got a little off track there. :chuckle:
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A broken tine(s) I would leave the way I found it, a broken mainbeam I would consider fixing, particularly if I had seen the bull before it was broken.
I have talked to a couple of guys that had a busted antler fixed, and they came right out and said it. Both of them brought it up as a way of saying what a good job the taxi had done.
...so, what if you shot a bull with a busted mainbeam, and you found the antler later? Would you have it reattached?
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I'd mount it as I shot it.
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Yep, I'd leave it as is regardless.
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Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out :chuckle:
Hmmmmm, no it's not. Guys like Boobs. Period. :)
And I agree, I would shoot a busted up bull to fill my tag on a hunt I have $5,000, that meat is going in the freezer for me as well. I just wouldn't fix the horns is all.
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The bull that Charlie fixed is my dads, it was caught on video during the archery season all in one piece, machting the unbroken side. It was also bull # 28 out of 28,last day at 9:am. It took 9pts and $6500.00 to complete this hunt.
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Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out :chuckle:
But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction. :rolleyes:
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Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out :chuckle:
But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction. :rolleyes:
For you maybee :chuckle:
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Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out :chuckle:
But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction. :rolleyes:
For you maybee :chuckle:
lol
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Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out :chuckle:
But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction. :rolleyes:
For you maybee :chuckle:
lol
Im just sayin :chuckle:
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Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out :chuckle:
But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction. :rolleyes:
For you maybee :chuckle:
lol
Im just sayin :chuckle:
My motto is: "If I can touch them, they're not fake..."
BTW, this is long overdue: :jacked:
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I wouldn't fix it...
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Guys if your not happy with the rack why dont you just buy a different one :dunno:
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I agree adds character!
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:twocents: I leave as I shot him. If he broke them in the fall then I'd debate it. :twocents:
This guy took a tumble down a steep hill after I shot him, busting off his right side main and g4, they were about the same length as the left side before the tumble
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If you fix them just for score you better understand that none of the clubs will score anything that has been tampered with and they have seen it all so you better be good. Besides, it is your animal that you kill and you are the one that knows the real score of it the day he was killed so how insecure do you have to be to have it fixed just to say it was bigger than it really is. Every night you go to bed and look at him you will always know about how you cheapened your trophy. :bdid:
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If you fix them just for score you better understand that none of the clubs will score anything that has been tampered with and they have seen it all so you better be good. Besides, it is your animal that you kill and you are the one that knows the real score of it the day he was killed so how insecure do you have to be to have it fixed just to say it was bigger than it really is. Every night you go to bed and look at him you will always know about how you cheapened your trophy. :bdid:
Who the heck said he fixed it to give it a score?? He could care less about the score :bash:
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Ditto........know one said anything about fixing them to have them scored for any book or club :
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You see A lot of guys on vids and tv shoot animals with busted points , when they approach a great animal you can see there eyes shift to the broken points with disgust , kinda like that guide let me shoot this , those guided hunters that hunt with there wallet disgust me . if that same guy busted his ass for a week in the high country and shot a old busted up bull he might have a different view. That bull went through some tough times and probibly lost his woman , leave him as you killed him . As far as fake boobs if you can make them better why not, If some other guy pays for it even better. Coach
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sound like your the one with money issues
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I was asking because I will be hunting bulls in Utah in November. I hear there are some good bulls that would score pretty good but might be broken. I don't know if I would rather try and shoot a little smaller bull that is not busted or a larger bull that is busted.
I am going on a guided hunt. I don't consider myself someone that hunts from their wallet. I drew a great limited entry elk tag in Utah. I have saved my money to have a great hunt and make the best of a tag. I am far from wealthy and 99 percent of the time it's DIY for me.
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That bull went through some tough times and probibly lost his woman , leave him as you killed him .
Love that line of thinking coach. That's downright poetic. 8)
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Somehow or another my Dad managed to shoot the horn off the biggest of his two caribou bulls the year me and my brother and him went to Quebec, not sure if he was excited or what the hell happened, strangest damn thing I even seen him do, shooting that horn off, right above the bez tines. Anyway, he fixed it, and I don't blame him for fixing it. But if your gonna fix just plain old broken tines that the bull got or buck got naturally, then why not add a drop tine, or split brows, or that 7th tine you always wanted on an elk. For me if it broke during the hunt, shot off, broke during the fall, something like that then it's fine to fix. If you don't like the way he looks when you shoot him, then don't shoot him.
:yeah:
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Personally I would take the biigest oldest bull I could find even if he was busted up, well depending on how busted up he was. Wether I would fix what waas broke that would be for you to decide, its your bull and your mount . Your the one that will be living with it for a lifetime.
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That fix came out very nice but I like them in their natural state....bulls earn those broken tines and they ought to be left that way. I'd rather look at a busted up rack with some character than a perfectly symmetric one that looks like it came out of a high fence.
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Well put Craig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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natural huh??? they naturaly grew it.epoxy is from the earth.what could be more natural?? ;) do what you want. i dont get any elk mounted :twocents:
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ive got a 330 bull and hes missing his G3 which would of made him a 340 bull but i just left him.
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I'd probably leave him as is when you shot him, but I'd probably look him over real good before pulling the trigger. In my mind it adds character to the mount to have it busted up a little bit.
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I had a muley mounted a couple years ago that had a bullet hole in it's rack. I initially thought I wanted to have it filled since I didn't want to look at a bullet hole from some other hunter. I changed my mind though and kept it the way it was because it adds character and I get to talk about the muley that got away from someone else. ;)
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I gotta agree with Tmike, although i dislike him in every other way :P
Its about what the hunter likes/feels. Theres a big damn difference between making an animal look his best (as in replacing a horn that he really did grow that year) versus adding a extra tine or more horn than he ever had.
Ive fallen all over this issue depending on the situation!
I shot a mississippi WT deer that rammed a tree head on after the shot and he broke off one eye guard. No question, I had it replaced!
Michelle Nelson is doing my Rosey archery elk from 2007 right now and although I LOVE the bugling pose...he never made a sound on the way in..so it felt like a lie even though it was pre-rut and some were already sounding off!
I took a Oregon mulie in 2007 and looked it over pretty good and was really happy with him...until i walked up to a missing 13 inch G2 (assuming it matched the other and it was pretty well matched all over)..guess what, it had been gone for a while and its now back!
My 2007 WA bear was retarded and didnt have any upper canines... i got michelle nelson to mount the rug and the skull. The skull shows the missing upper canines....but the rug has all its teeth!
Two weeks ago I killed a wild boar in GA with a bow... the arrow blew through both sides of my pig and then passed completely through the left side lower jaw bone making a large hole in it. She is now bleaching it for me and could probably fix it if I wanted... i wouldnt dream of hiding that character!
Ive got several pigs and deer mounted that are scratched up...ripped up...ears torn..ect! Ive almost always left that kind of character alone!
Sooooo, as Tmike said... depends on the situation. I feel like they are my trophies and its up to me as the hunter to choose how I get the taxi done in a way to represent the animal I killed in a way thats accurate to me! But, Im not at all opposed to getting a deer/elk tine fixed...although one must remember it will screw up any score in any book.
Then again, I shoot such small little suckling animals that they need all the help they can get!
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Dave I can't believe you would actually admit to fixing a broken antler. Welcome to the dark side :o
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brother...i live in the dark side! ;)
it just depends on the situation to me! I go both ways....on this issue :bdid:
now stop talking to me...dont want people to think we are friends!
tmike smells like cabbage! :o
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brother...i live in the dark side! ;)
it just depends on the situation to me! I go both ways....on this issue :bdid:
now stop talking to me...dont want people to think we are friends!
tmike smells like cabbage! :o
:yike: :chuckle:
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Hey Bucklucky, read what the original post said. It said, would you fix the busted horns if it scored 330 but could potentially score 350. Was referring to the original question not what someone posted later on. I never referred to a quote from anyone that had their horns fixed. No need for :bash:
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Hey Bucklucky, read what the original post said. It said, would you fix the busted horns if it scored 330 but could potentially score 350. Was referring to the original question not what someone posted later on. I never referred to a quote from anyone that had their horns fixed. No need for :bash:
I was banging my head for nothing ......... :bash: :chuckle:
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hang them like u tanked them. :twocents: