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Title: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Craig on June 25, 2009, 08:32:05 PM
Say you shoot a big bull that has a couple busted off points. if you are going to mount it would you leave the points busted off or have them fixed?

Say with the busted points he scores about 330. if the fixed him he would be a 350+ bull.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Elkstuffer on June 25, 2009, 08:37:00 PM
Leave it alone and don't fix it. Broken tines  and scars add character. If you're going to mount it why not put him on the wall the way you found him. I get guys in all the time wanting to "add inches" to there chipped and broken antlers. I try to discourage it if possible. Even if you repair them it can't be officially scored anyway. ;)
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Jason on June 25, 2009, 08:37:05 PM
is that what matters most to you is what he scores? or the Bull you harvested as he was in your memories? I look at it as character not any other way.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: boneaddict on June 25, 2009, 08:37:41 PM
 :twocents: I leave as I shot him.  If he broke them in the fall then I'd debate it.   :twocents:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 25, 2009, 08:55:20 PM
Personally I would not fix tines if it was mine , but if it had a broken main beam like say behind the sword I would think about it. I just did a fix on a 350 arizona bull , made a mold of the good side and transfered it to the other. Turned out pretty dang nice. We left the broken tines though.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: rasbo on June 25, 2009, 09:00:43 PM
I would let it be..
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 25, 2009, 09:21:00 PM
Heres the bull I fixed:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: mossback91 on June 25, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
looks like you did a good job buck!
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on June 25, 2009, 09:29:24 PM
Best to leave it alone, if that is the way you shot it that is the way it should go on the wall  :twocents:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: scoyoc5 on June 25, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
once again Charlie more great work. :tup: one of these days I will hopefully bring you some work...I agree with Rasbo I would also let it be
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: markts on June 25, 2009, 09:33:48 PM
Leave it the way he was when harvested, unless as Bone stated it got busted up in the fall. Mark :twocents:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: willapawapiti on June 25, 2009, 09:44:21 PM
Impressive repair job.  I'm with most of you, chunks and broke off points add character.  Leaves me thinking about the battles and skirmishes it MUST have been in to receive such character.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: fishcrazy on June 25, 2009, 09:56:51 PM
buck,

that was a nice repair job. Is that the same one you showed me a few weeks back when I was @ yer place. It was amazing how well that turned out. The pics don't do it any justice, a guy needs to see that in person to really see the detail you put into it. Again some great work. Not bad for a guy that don't know what he's doing. ;)

Kris
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: tmike on June 25, 2009, 09:57:54 PM
I had an Arizona Bull fixed. He was missing a G2 and most of a G3 on one side. I didn't outwardly do it to improve the score, I just like the typical frame and wanted it the way it was before he got his ass kicked. Maybe somehow in my mind I wanted it to be bigger since I had higher expectations going down there and shot this guy on the last day. Looking back I laugh because this bull is a great animal. Would I do it again, I'm not sure.  I also mounted it bugling because I already had one in a semi sneak position and wanted something different. Should you only mount an elk bugling if it's shot in the rut? I also understand the idea of leaving them the way they were. Hunting the later hunts in a state like Arizona is tough because a majority of the bulls are broken up. Here's a before and after of him.
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Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Pat/Rick on June 25, 2009, 09:59:33 PM
Let them show their "character", its just better like that. Anything else is false. :twocents:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 25, 2009, 10:19:03 PM
Break out the JV weld.  Your buddies would give you a hard time with all the stainless steel screws in the antlers.  :P
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Old Mule on June 26, 2009, 07:04:52 AM
The only Thing I would fix on a Busted up Bull is, Hamburger, Cube Steak, Sirloin Roast ECT.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: lewy on June 26, 2009, 07:12:05 AM
nice work charlie-you are the man
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: C-Money on June 26, 2009, 07:46:14 AM
I'm with Bone, I would only consider it if the breaks happened during a fall after the shot has been made!
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: GoldTip on June 26, 2009, 08:12:03 AM
Somehow or another my Dad managed to shoot the horn off the biggest of his two caribou bulls the year me and my brother and him went to Quebec, not sure if he was excited or what the hell happened, strangest damn thing I even seen him do, shooting that horn off, right above the bez tines.  Anyway, he fixed it, and I don't blame him for fixing it.  But if your gonna fix just plain old broken tines that the bull got or buck got naturally, then why not add a drop tine, or split brows, or that 7th tine you always wanted on an elk.  For me if it broke during the hunt, shot off, broke during the fall, something like that then it's fine to fix.  If you don't like the way he looks when you shoot him, then don't shoot him.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: boneaddict on June 26, 2009, 08:15:15 AM
exactly.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 26, 2009, 08:16:14 AM
Bingo.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 26, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
Hmm, and if you have 5,000 into a hunt and all you see is every bull busted up and wait till the end to take a bull, I dont have a problem with it. Im sorry , but I would'nt NOT shoot a busted bull with money wraped up in a guided hunt. Dang right, I would be filling the freezer. As for the fix that is completely personal preferance.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: zackmioli on June 26, 2009, 08:19:54 AM
Somehow or another my Dad managed to shoot the horn off the biggest of his two caribou bulls the year me and my brother and him went to Quebec, not sure if he was excited or what the hell happened, strangest damn thing I even seen him do, shooting that horn off, right above the bez tines.  Anyway, he fixed it, and I don't blame him for fixing it.  But if your gonna fix just plain old broken tines that the bull got or buck got naturally, then why not add a drop tine, or split brows, or that 7th tine you always wanted on an elk.  For me if it broke during the hunt, shot off, broke during the fall, something like that then it's fine to fix.  If you don't like the way he looks when you shoot him, then don't shoot him.
:yeah:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: tmike on June 26, 2009, 08:34:54 AM
Quote
If you don't like the way he looks when you shoot him, then don't shoot him.
That is if your primary objective is horn. I like big animals but my like eating them better. In Az I saw 5 bulls in 7 days and took one on the last day. Some of you guys crack me up. Sorry I don't think by fixing a couple broken tines it makes you a liar, cheater, trying to get away with something etc. It means you want to preserve the memory of the hunt and you can do that any way you want.  :twocents:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 26, 2009, 08:36:59 AM
What does replacing tines that were not there on your hunt have to do with preserving the memory?

Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 26, 2009, 08:40:44 AM
Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out  :chuckle:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: tmike on June 26, 2009, 08:44:36 AM
I like fake and real  :chuckle:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Dipsnort on June 26, 2009, 10:06:25 AM
Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out  :chuckle:
Yeah, fake boobs may look great but the real things are much more fun to play with.  Wait, we were supposed to be talking about horny...uh, I mean horns...no wait...antlers, right?  Sorry, got a little off track there. :chuckle:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 26, 2009, 10:16:30 AM
A broken tine(s) I would leave the way I found it, a broken mainbeam I would consider fixing, particularly if I had seen the bull before it was broken. 
I have talked to a couple of guys that had a busted antler fixed, and they came right out and said it.  Both of them brought it up as a way of saying what a good job the taxi had done.

...so, what if you shot a bull with a busted mainbeam, and you found the antler later?  Would you have it reattached?
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: EastWaViking on June 26, 2009, 10:36:20 AM
I'd mount it as I shot it. 
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Alan K on June 26, 2009, 10:48:22 AM
Yep, I'd leave it as is regardless.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: GoldTip on June 26, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out  :chuckle:

Hmmmmm, no it's not.  Guys like Boobs.  Period. :)

And I agree, I would shoot a busted up bull to fill my tag on a hunt I have $5,000, that meat is going in the freezer for me as well.  I just wouldn't fix the horns is all.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Hunter Henry on June 26, 2009, 12:06:17 PM

   The bull that Charlie fixed is my dads, it was caught on video during the archery season all in one piece, machting the unbroken side. It was also bull # 28 out of 28,last day at 9:am. It took 9pts and $6500.00 to complete this hunt. 
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Alchase on June 26, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out  :chuckle:

But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 26, 2009, 12:27:52 PM
Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out  :chuckle:

But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction.  :rolleyes:

For you maybee  :chuckle:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Alchase on June 26, 2009, 12:31:25 PM
Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out  :chuckle:

But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction.  :rolleyes:

For you maybee  :chuckle:
lol
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 26, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out  :chuckle:

But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction.  :rolleyes:

For you maybee  :chuckle:
lol

Im just sayin  :chuckle:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 26, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
Its like fake boobs, some people love them , some can do with out  :chuckle:

But like fake boobs, they may look nice but they do not have the same feeling or reaction.  :rolleyes:

For you maybee  :chuckle:
lol

Im just sayin  :chuckle:

My motto is:  "If I can touch them, they're not fake..."

BTW, this is long overdue:     :jacked:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: popeshawnpaul on June 26, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
I wouldn't fix it...
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 26, 2009, 06:38:24 PM
Guys if your not happy with the rack why dont you just buy a different one :dunno:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: elkaholic on June 26, 2009, 07:05:40 PM
I agree adds character!
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: huntnphool on June 26, 2009, 08:41:21 PM
:twocents: I leave as I shot him.  If he broke them in the fall then I'd debate it.   :twocents:

 This guy took a tumble down a steep hill after I shot him, busting off his right side main and g4, they were about the same length as the left side before the tumble
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: furbearer365 on June 26, 2009, 09:21:59 PM
If you fix them just for score you better understand that none of the clubs will score anything that has been tampered with and they have seen it all so you better be good.  Besides, it is your animal that you kill and you are the one that knows the real score of it the day he was killed so how insecure do you have to be to have it fixed just to say it was bigger than it really is.  Every night you go to bed and look at him you will always know about how you cheapened your trophy. :bdid:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 27, 2009, 12:07:24 AM
If you fix them just for score you better understand that none of the clubs will score anything that has been tampered with and they have seen it all so you better be good.  Besides, it is your animal that you kill and you are the one that knows the real score of it the day he was killed so how insecure do you have to be to have it fixed just to say it was bigger than it really is.  Every night you go to bed and look at him you will always know about how you cheapened your trophy. :bdid:

Who the heck said he fixed it to give it a score?? He could care less about the score   :bash:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Hunter Henry on June 27, 2009, 06:59:13 AM
   
     Ditto........know one said anything about fixing them to have them scored for any book or club :
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: coachcw on June 27, 2009, 07:23:58 AM
You see A lot of guys on vids and tv shoot animals with busted points , when they approach a great animal you can see there eyes shift to the broken points with disgust , kinda like  that guide let me shoot this , those guided hunters that hunt with there wallet disgust me . if that same guy busted his ass for a week in the high country and shot a old busted up bull he might have a different view. That bull went through some tough times and probibly lost his woman , leave him as you killed him . As far as fake boobs if you can make them better why not, If some other guy pays for it even better. Coach
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Hunter Henry on June 27, 2009, 07:27:59 AM

   sound like your the one with money issues
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Craig on June 27, 2009, 10:42:22 AM
I was asking because I will be hunting bulls in Utah in November. I hear there are some good bulls that would score pretty good but might be broken. I don't know if I would rather try and shoot a little smaller bull that is not busted or a larger bull that is busted.

I am going on a guided hunt. I don't consider myself someone that hunts from their wallet. I drew a great limited entry elk tag in Utah. I have  saved my money to have a great hunt and make the best of a tag. I am far from wealthy and 99 percent of the time it's DIY for me. 
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 27, 2009, 11:14:35 AM
That bull went through some tough times and probibly lost his woman , leave him as you killed him .

Love that line of thinking coach.  That's downright poetic.  8)
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Austrian Hunter on June 27, 2009, 11:49:50 AM
Somehow or another my Dad managed to shoot the horn off the biggest of his two caribou bulls the year me and my brother and him went to Quebec, not sure if he was excited or what the hell happened, strangest damn thing I even seen him do, shooting that horn off, right above the bez tines.  Anyway, he fixed it, and I don't blame him for fixing it.  But if your gonna fix just plain old broken tines that the bull got or buck got naturally, then why not add a drop tine, or split brows, or that 7th tine you always wanted on an elk.  For me if it broke during the hunt, shot off, broke during the fall, something like that then it's fine to fix.  If you don't like the way he looks when you shoot him, then don't shoot him.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 27, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
Personally I would take the biigest oldest bull I could find even if he was busted up, well depending on how busted up he was. Wether I would fix what waas broke that would be for you to decide, its your bull and your mount . Your the one that will be living with it for a lifetime.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: mrgoodwrench on June 27, 2009, 01:07:42 PM
That fix came out very nice but I like them in their natural state....bulls earn those broken tines and they ought to be left that way.  I'd rather look at a busted up rack with some character than a perfectly symmetric one that looks like it came out of a high fence.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Hunter Henry on June 27, 2009, 04:16:23 PM

  Well put Craig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: heavy hauler on June 27, 2009, 09:50:22 PM
natural  huh??? they naturaly grew it.epoxy is from the earth.what could be more natural?? ;)  do what you want. i dont get any elk mounted :twocents:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: kirkl on June 28, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
ive got a 330 bull and hes missing his G3 which would of made him a 340 bull but i just left him.
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: Ridgerunner on June 28, 2009, 10:22:08 AM
I'd probably leave him as is when you shot him, but I'd probably look him over real good before pulling the trigger.  In my mind it adds character to the mount to have it busted up a little bit. 
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: WonkyWapiti on June 28, 2009, 12:26:16 PM
I had a muley mounted a couple years ago that had a bullet hole in it's rack.  I initially thought I wanted to have it filled since I didn't want to look at a bullet hole from some other hunter.  I changed my mind though and kept it the way it was because it adds character and I get to talk about the muley that got away from someone else.   ;)
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: LongTatLaw on June 28, 2009, 04:51:29 PM
I gotta agree with Tmike, although i dislike him in every other way :P

Its about what the hunter likes/feels. Theres a big damn difference between making an animal look his best (as in replacing a horn that he really did grow that year) versus adding a extra tine or more horn than he ever had.

Ive fallen all over this issue depending on the situation!

I shot a mississippi WT deer that rammed a tree head on after the shot and he broke off one eye guard. No question, I had it replaced!

Michelle Nelson is doing my Rosey archery elk from 2007 right now and although I LOVE the bugling pose...he never made a sound on the way in..so it felt like a lie even though it was pre-rut and some were already sounding off!

I took a Oregon mulie in 2007 and looked it over pretty good and was really happy with him...until i walked up to a missing 13 inch G2 (assuming it matched the other and it was pretty well matched all over)..guess what, it had been gone for a while and its now back!

My 2007 WA bear was retarded and didnt have any upper canines... i got michelle nelson to mount the rug and the skull. The skull shows the missing upper canines....but the rug has all its teeth!

Two weeks ago I killed a wild boar in GA with a bow... the arrow blew through both sides of my pig and then passed completely through the left side lower jaw bone making a large hole in it. She is now bleaching it for me and could probably fix it if I wanted... i wouldnt dream of hiding that character!

Ive got several pigs and deer mounted that are scratched up...ripped up...ears torn..ect!  Ive almost always left that kind of character alone!

Sooooo, as Tmike said... depends on the situation. I feel like they are my trophies and its up to me as the hunter to choose how I get the taxi done in a way to represent the animal I killed in a way thats accurate to me! But, Im not at all opposed to getting a deer/elk tine fixed...although one must remember it will screw up any score in any book.

Then again, I shoot such small little suckling animals that they need all the help they can get!

 ;) :twocents:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: tmike on June 28, 2009, 07:06:51 PM
Dave I can't believe you would actually admit to fixing a broken antler. Welcome to the dark side  :o
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: LongTatLaw on June 28, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
brother...i live in the dark side! ;)

it just depends on the situation to me! I go both ways....on this issue :bdid:

now stop talking to me...dont want people to think we are friends!

tmike smells like cabbage! :o
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: catwithboost on June 28, 2009, 07:51:59 PM
brother...i live in the dark side! ;)

it just depends on the situation to me! I go both ways....on this issue :bdid:

now stop talking to me...dont want people to think we are friends!

tmike smells like cabbage! :o
:yike: :chuckle:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: furbearer365 on June 28, 2009, 07:57:44 PM
Hey Bucklucky, read what the original post said.  It said, would you fix the busted horns if it scored 330 but could potentially score 350.  Was referring to the original question not what someone posted later on.  I never referred to a quote from anyone that had their horns fixed.  No need for :bash:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: bucklucky on June 28, 2009, 08:03:22 PM
Hey Bucklucky, read what the original post said.  It said, would you fix the busted horns if it scored 330 but could potentially score 350.  Was referring to the original question not what someone posted later on.  I never referred to a quote from anyone that had their horns fixed.  No need for :bash:

I was banging my head for nothing ......... :bash:   :chuckle:
Title: Re: busted up bull - fix or not
Post by: elkoholic1 on July 01, 2009, 01:08:38 PM
hang them like u tanked them. :twocents:
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