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Title: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Kingofthemountain83 on July 27, 2025, 05:40:59 PM: Was looking into getting a scope for the muzzy this year... A Knight Wolrverine... I've checked out the Leupold Freedom red dot, Trijicon, and Vortex... Thinking I'd prefer one with a cross hair or t post... Any recommendations???
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: trophyhunt on July 27, 2025, 06:13:21 PM: I spent money on a trijicon red dot, shouldn’t have bought the 3 moa, the dot at 200 yards takes up the entire target. My son in law bought the vortex muzzy scope, same thing with his cross hairs, guess we aren’t shooting longer than 100-150.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Kingofthemountain83 on July 28, 2025, 11:54:58 AM: Quote from: trophyhunt on July 27, 2025, 06:13:21 PM
I spent money on a trijicon red dot, shouldn’t have bought the 3 moa, the dot at 200 yards takes up the entire target. My son in law bought the vortex muzzy scope, same thing with his cross hairs, guess we aren’t shooting longer than 100-150.

Every place I've checked the Vortex scope has been sold out... Didn't realize it had that big of a crosshair...
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: EnglishSetter on July 28, 2025, 11:57:01 AM: Might find this interesting:

http://www.diyhntr.com/firearms-blog/265-best-1x-muzzleloader-scope
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Kingofthemountain83 on July 28, 2025, 12:01:56 PM: Quote from: EnglishSetter on July 28, 2025, 11:57:01 AM
Might find this interesting:

http://www.diyhntr.com/firearms-blog/265-best-1x-muzzleloader-scope

Thank you... That's where I've gotten some of my information so far... And Monster Muleys...
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: trophyhunt on July 28, 2025, 12:02:13 PM: Quote from: Kingofthemountain83 on July 28, 2025, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: trophyhunt on July 27, 2025, 06:13:21 PM
I spent money on a trijicon red dot, shouldn’t have bought the 3 moa, the dot at 200 yards takes up the entire target. My son in law bought the vortex muzzy scope, same thing with his cross hairs, guess we aren’t shooting longer than 100-150.

Every place I've checked the Vortex scope has been sold out... Didn't realize it had that big of a crosshair...
Big J's in Orting had a bunch last time I looked.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Kingofthemountain83 on July 28, 2025, 12:05:28 PM: Quote from: trophyhunt on July 28, 2025, 12:02:13 PM
Quote from: Kingofthemountain83 on July 28, 2025, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: trophyhunt on July 27, 2025, 06:13:21 PM
I spent money on a trijicon red dot, shouldn’t have bought the 3 moa, the dot at 200 yards takes up the entire target. My son in law bought the vortex muzzy scope, same thing with his cross hairs, guess we aren’t shooting longer than 100-150.

Every place I've checked the Vortex scope has been sold out... Didn't realize it had that big of a crosshair...
Big J's in Orting had a bunch last time I looked.

Ok, Thank you... I'll call them...
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: huntnphool on July 29, 2025, 01:25:33 PM: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,287068.msg3902813.html#msg3902813
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: craigapphunt on July 30, 2025, 10:00:12 AM: I got the primary arms 1x and like it so far.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: dc on July 30, 2025, 11:23:16 AM: I went with the Traditions 1x muzzy scope and could not be happier with the results.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Kingofthemountain83 on July 30, 2025, 11:54:42 AM: Quote from: huntnphool on July 29, 2025, 01:25:33 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,287068.msg3902813.html#msg3902813

Thank you... I ended up ordering Leupold 541 Remington bases, Leupold PRW2 medium rings, and a Traditions scope... Just waiting for it all to get here...
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: trophyhunt on July 30, 2025, 12:06:40 PM: Quote from: dc on July 30, 2025, 11:23:16 AM
I went with the Traditions 1x muzzy scope and could not be happier with the results.
How big do those cross hairs look at a target out to 200 yards?
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Kingofthemountain83 on July 30, 2025, 12:15:03 PM: Quote from: trophyhunt on July 30, 2025, 12:06:40 PM
Quote from: dc on July 30, 2025, 11:23:16 AM
I went with the Traditions 1x muzzy scope and could not be happier with the results.
How big do those cross hairs look at a target out to 200 yards?

I was wondering the same... Thinking an elk may be an easier target then an actual target...I've looked through it at the store... Seemed ok...
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Dan-o on July 30, 2025, 01:40:15 PM: Quote from: Kingofthemountain83 on July 30, 2025, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: trophyhunt on July 30, 2025, 12:06:40 PM
Quote from: dc on July 30, 2025, 11:23:16 AM
I went with the Traditions 1x muzzy scope and could not be happier with the results.
How big do those cross hairs look at a target out to 200 yards?

I was wondering the same... Thinking an elk may be an easier target then an actual target...I've looked through it at the store... Seemed ok...

I have a couple of the Traditions 1X scopes.

I think they have a very fine crosshair - much more so than the Vortex.

Am I just confused here?
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: MADMAX on July 30, 2025, 02:26:44 PM: I’m not taking shots at 200 yards with my front stuffer but it’ll be a killer at 100
My traditions has a small cross hair and a circle.
I like it.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: dc on July 31, 2025, 06:21:44 AM: I shoot 3/4"100 yd 4 shot groups after adding the traditions scope. It does have a finer crosshair than the Vortex. I did not go to the 1x scope so I could stretch the yardage. I have always had a 150 yd limit on my shots, and I will continue that. I will just be doing it with a much clearer sight picture. It is crazy how much clearer I see my target compared to my peep sight. 15 yrs ago my peep had a very clear sight picture, but at 59 not so much.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Dirty Mike on September 01, 2025, 10:52:36 PM: I have the vortex 1x cross hairs didn't look to think to me but haven't shot it against any other scopes. Its pretty clear picture though
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: buglebuster on September 02, 2025, 07:02:14 AM: Quote from: dc on July 30, 2025, 11:23:16 AM
I went with the Traditions 1x muzzy scope and could not be happier with the results.

Do you have a link to the scope? What muzzleloader are you using it on. What did you use for rings and bases? Thanks!
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Rigby416 on September 03, 2025, 12:46:21 AM: Scheels has the Traditions 1x for around $80. Should be able to get info off their web site.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: HntnFsh on September 03, 2025, 07:54:17 AM: I looked through a Traditions 1x at the store and put it back on the shelf. It just looked and felt to me that it was something that would come on a 100 dollar bb gun. I know a lot of people are using them and liking them. But it sure wasnt for me.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: JakeLand on September 03, 2025, 08:19:03 PM: I’m shooting great groups with the vortex 1X
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: trophyhunt on September 04, 2025, 06:11:34 AM: Quote from: HntnFsh on September 03, 2025, 07:54:17 AM
I looked through a Traditions 1x at the store and put it back on the shelf. It just looked and felt to me that it was something that would come on a 100 dollar bb gun. I know a lot of people are using them and liking them. But it sure wasnt for me.
Well crap, I had this scope in my cart and now I'm not sure....
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: bustedoldman on September 04, 2025, 06:26:13 AM: Quote from: HntnFsh on September 03, 2025, 07:54:17 AM
I looked through a Traditions 1x at the store and put it back on the shelf. It just looked and felt to me that it was something that would come on a 100 dollar bb gun. I know a lot of people are using them and liking them. But it sure wasnt for me.

I felt the same way about them.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: JBar on September 04, 2025, 06:27:50 AM: I have both the vortex and traditions. Vortex looks like you’re sighting down a tunnel and 100 yards appears to be like 200. Traditions doesn’t have that tunnel but I have not had it to the range yet to comment on performance.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: The scout on September 04, 2025, 01:45:17 PM: I’ve been looking at all the options as well. I’ve hunted so long with open sites. When I looked through the traditions scope I honestly think I would be better off with open sites still. I haven’t used a red dot scope before, but unless a better scope option comes up that’s the route I’m going to try.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: MADMAX on September 04, 2025, 01:51:46 PM: Quote from: trophyhunt on September 04, 2025, 06:11:34 AM
Quote from: HntnFsh on September 03, 2025, 07:54:17 AM
I looked through a Traditions 1x at the store and put it back on the shelf. It just looked and felt to me that it was something that would come on a 100 dollar bb gun. I know a lot of people are using them and liking them. But it sure wasnt for me.
Well crap, I had this scope in my cart and now I'm not sure....

I like mine
But then again, I’m not shooting much over 100 yards if that
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: crabcreekhunter on September 04, 2025, 03:03:12 PM: I haven’t looked through the traditions or vortex, coming from a Williams precision peep and globe (great setup in itself), I have been very pleased with the Leupold rds. Traditionally have hated red dots vs traditional scopes but the RDS has kind of converted me.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: elksnout on September 04, 2025, 08:44:58 PM: I have a Bighorn and recently purchased the Leupold red dot. Looks like a pain to mount with scope and mounts covering the top of the breech. Also, to my eyes at least the red dot has a glow around even at its smallest setting. I’ve read reviews regarding that. Dunno. Kind on the fence and just committed to using my gun as is with Williams peep this close to the season?

elksnout
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: huntnphool on September 11, 2025, 11:40:33 AM: Quote from: elksnout on September 04, 2025, 08:44:58 PM
I have a Bighorn and recently purchased the Leupold red dot. Looks like a pain to mount with scope and mounts covering the top of the breech. Also, to my eyes at least the red dot has a glow around even at its smallest setting. I’ve read reviews regarding that. Dunno. Kind on the fence and just committed to using my gun as is with Williams peep this close to the season?

elksnout

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,287068.msg3921567.html#msg3921567
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: James on September 11, 2025, 01:20:10 PM: Quote from: elksnout on September 04, 2025, 08:44:58 PM
I have a Bighorn and recently purchased the Leupold red dot. Looks like a pain to mount with scope and mounts covering the top of the breech. Also, to my eyes at least the red dot has a glow around even at its smallest setting. I’ve read reviews regarding that. Dunno. Kind on the fence and just committed to using my gun as is with Williams peep this close to the season?

elksnout

Have you been checked for an astigmatism? Google Astigmatism and red dots.

If you have astigmatism you might be better off with a 1x Prism or 1x scope than a true red dot.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: dub870 on September 11, 2025, 09:29:35 PM: astigmatism is why I got a Primary Arms prism for mine.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Buckhunter28 on September 29, 2025, 06:13:04 AM: I’ll bump for Traditions scope! Bought one for my Optima V2, bore sighted the gun/scope and went shooting. Was on paper at 75 yards immediately and after 6 more shots this was my group at 100. 3 50 grain Triple 7 pellets with a 270 grain Federal BoreLOK coming out at about 2100fps. Primed with Winchester Shotshell primers. I had to clean after every 3rd shot it seemed like, I might try white hots in the off season for a cleaner burn. I can’t stomach the BH209 price yet
This was my first time ever shooting a muzzleloader and man do I love it! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250929/71c5e8b4964f80177cad8e714f4e5b62.jpg)
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: buglebuster on September 29, 2025, 06:58:30 AM: Quote from: Buckhunter28 on September 29, 2025, 06:13:04 AM
I’ll bump for Traditions scope! Bought one for my Optima V2, bore sighted the gun/scope and went shooting. Was on paper at 75 yards immediately and after 6 more shots this was my group at 100. 3 50 grain Triple 7 pellets with a 270 grain Federal BoreLOK coming out at about 2100fps. Primed with Winchester Shotshell primers. I had to clean after every 3rd shot it seemed like, I might try white hots in the off season for a cleaner burn. I can’t stomach the BH209 price yet
This was my first time ever shooting a muzzleloader and man do I love it! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250929/71c5e8b4964f80177cad8e714f4e5b62.jpg)

I'm glad you like yours! I bought one to try and I literally threw it in the garbage. Reticle is too thick and it's like a 1/2 power. I can see the target better with my naked eye. Was highly disappointed.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: Buckhunter28 on September 29, 2025, 08:04:35 AM: That is a huge bummer @buglebuster I wonder if there is a mass amount of allowed tolerance in the product(allowing for a range of decent scopes to junk ones that hit shelves) or if it’s just the difference person to person.

I will agree I can MAYBE see the target better with my naked eye, but definitely not with a peep sight covering the entirety of it at 50 yards even. The scope is definitely lower quality than any other I own but for me, it homes me in on target and the crosshairs are a lot finer than a peep sight! I guess it definitely just depends on personal preference perhaps and what works for everyone!
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: mikey549 on September 29, 2025, 08:11:07 AM: I have fuzzy eyes also which got worse in the last two years. I ditched the Williams peep and went with the Primary Arms on my Knight Disc Extreme. Knight also makes a one piece rail that has a cutout over the breech that makes it easy to install the cap or primer. I ordered the scope online and purchased the rail from Bob’s in Longview. They installed both for free.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: muleyslayer on September 29, 2025, 09:09:47 AM: Trijicon rmr 1 moa is the way. I have astigmatism, and I’m still the most accurate with the red dot. I’ve tried open sights, peep sights, and the vortex 1x as well. As of now I’ll stick to the rmr.
Title: Re: Muzzleloader scope options
Post by: MADMAX on September 29, 2025, 09:28:58 AM: It used to be primitive weapons :chuckle:
Blackpowder 11s and buffalo bullets

Pretty happy we can use 209s pellet's, powerbelts and a 100 yard scope myself.