Post by: Timmybob on July 10, 2009, 12:53:03 AM
Post by: hoytem on July 10, 2009, 01:12:18 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on July 10, 2009, 05:37:48 AM
Post by: whacker1 on July 10, 2009, 06:01:06 AM
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Post by: addicted on July 10, 2009, 10:14:02 AM
Post by: Pat/Rick on July 10, 2009, 10:37:04 AM
Post by: KillBilly on July 10, 2009, 10:38:38 AM
Post by: Buckshot Bill on July 10, 2009, 10:45:58 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 10, 2009, 10:48:05 AM
Post by: Kain on July 10, 2009, 10:57:46 AM
Post by: LongTatLaw on July 10, 2009, 11:11:21 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 10, 2009, 11:13:42 AM
When a Bacon necklace or thong goes WRONG!!!
Post by: jackelope on July 10, 2009, 11:16:34 AM
that is also the biggest pile of bear poo i think i've ever seen on here.
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2009, 11:21:17 AM
Post by: stumprat on July 10, 2009, 11:23:41 AM
So using scent is considered baiting? That does not sound right to me. Doesn't bait need to be consumable?
Not in our state :bash:
Post by: follow maggie on July 10, 2009, 06:59:15 PM
Post by: Pat/Rick on July 10, 2009, 08:54:45 PM
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2009, 09:31:34 PM
I looked in the regs and could not find a definition of Bait. Just direction not to use it for some species (wow, THAT is helpful...).
Does anyone know what the WDFW uses as a definition for bait?
Scent is a tough one. If I use a decenter to remove human smell, is that baiting? If I cover my scent with a pine wafer, am I baiting? How about burning Licorice incense? What if I smelt a jar of honey over Sterno?
Now if I toss a goat carcass out... that's pretty clear. But what if I shoot and skin a coyote out and leave the carcass behind and come back and jump a bear feeding on it the next day? Is that baiting (probably)?
I would love to find an official definition.
Post by: Kain on July 10, 2009, 10:21:56 PM
Post by: nwhunter on July 10, 2009, 10:37:52 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on July 10, 2009, 10:54:22 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on July 11, 2009, 06:36:50 AM
thats nasty...i don't care who you are. i have seen lots of nasty bear poo pics on this site with pistols laying to the side for size comparison....but why on God's green earth would you put your handsome pistol directly into the pile of *censored*. maybe it would be better if you were holding some butt nuggetts in one hand and the pistol in the other...i dunno.
that is also the biggest pile of bear poo i think i've ever seen on here.
If you look close you will notice that there are at least 4 piles of crap in that pic. Three of which make up the "big" pile.
Post by: ICEMAN on July 11, 2009, 07:02:45 AM
thats nasty...i don't care who you are. i have seen lots of nasty bear poo pics on this site with pistols laying to the side for size comparison....but why on God's green earth would you put your handsome pistol directly into the pile of *censored*. maybe it would be better if you were holding some butt nuggetts in one hand and the pistol in the other...i dunno.
that is also the biggest pile of bear poo i think i've ever seen on here.
Jackelope, that is my pistol. That poo pile is cleaner than the inside of my holster. :chuckle: Besides, the pile had cooled.
Post by: Bob33 on July 11, 2009, 07:07:18 AM
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
Post by: billythekidrock on July 11, 2009, 07:12:44 AM
I looked in the regs and could not find a definition of Bait. Just direction not to use it for some species (wow, THAT is helpful...).
Does anyone know what the WDFW uses as a definition for bait?
Scent is a tough one. If I use a decenter to remove human smell, is that baiting? If I cover my scent with a pine wafer, am I baiting? How about burning Licorice incense? What if I smelt a jar of honey over Sterno?
Now if I toss a goat carcass out... that's pretty clear. But what if I shoot and skin a coyote out and leave the carcass behind and come back and jump a bear feeding on it the next day? Is that baiting (probably)?
I would love to find an official definition.
Pine wafer cover scent...I don't see how they could.
Elk wafer cover scent...quite possible depending on the game agent.
If you place a skinned coyote in the woods it would be considered baiting.
If you killed that coyote, skinned it on the spot and left the carcass then that would not be baiting. Same with sitting over a gutpile. As long as it is not moved to a more advantageous spot.
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed,
1 exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the
2 purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons
3 hunt or intend to hunt them.
Post by: TeacherMan on July 11, 2009, 07:15:22 AM
I looked in the regs and could not find a definition of Bait. Just direction not to use it for some species (wow, THAT is helpful...).
Does anyone know what the WDFW uses as a definition for bait?
Scent is a tough one. If I use a decenter to remove human smell, is that baiting? If I cover my scent with a pine wafer, am I baiting? How about burning Licorice incense? What if I smelt a jar of honey over Sterno?
Now if I toss a goat carcass out... that's pretty clear. But what if I shoot and skin a coyote out and leave the carcass behind and come back and jump a bear feeding on it the next day? Is that baiting (probably)?
I would love to find an official definition.
Pine wafer cover scent...I don't see how they could.
Elk wafer cover scent...quite possible depending on the game agent.
If you place a skinned coyote in the woods it would be considered baiting.
If you killed that coyote, skinned it on the spot and left the carcass then that would not be baiting. Same with sitting over a gutpile. As long as it is not moved to a more advantageous spot.
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed,
1 exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the
2 purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons
3 hunt or intend to hunt them.
So the next deer you shoot you need to drag it to or take it to a good bear location and gut it there :chuckle:
Post by: KillBilly on July 11, 2009, 08:26:49 AM
RCW 77.15.245
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
Post by: pjb3 on July 11, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
Post by: Kain on July 11, 2009, 10:27:54 AM
Post by: alanger on July 11, 2009, 10:36:16 AM
I looked in the regs and could not find a definition of Bait. Just direction not to use it for some species (wow, THAT is helpful...).
Does anyone know what the WDFW uses as a definition for bait?
Scent is a tough one. If I use a decenter to remove human smell, is that baiting? If I cover my scent with a pine wafer, am I baiting? How about burning Licorice incense? What if I smelt a jar of honey over Sterno?
Now if I toss a goat carcass out... that's pretty clear. But what if I shoot and skin a coyote out and leave the carcass behind and come back and jump a bear feeding on it the next day? Is that baiting (probably)?
I would love to find an official definition.
Pine wafer cover scent...I don't see how they could.
Elk wafer cover scent...quite possible depending on the game agent.
If you place a skinned coyote in the woods it would be considered baiting.
If you killed that coyote, skinned it on the spot and left the carcass then that would not be baiting. Same with sitting over a gutpile. As long as it is not moved to a more advantageous spot.
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed,
1 exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the
2 purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons
3 hunt or intend to hunt them.
So the next deer you shoot you need to drag it to or take it to a good bear location and gut it there :chuckle:
Why wouldnt you. it says it right in the regs....
(NOT TO.)
Post by: dave on July 11, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
Post by: Antlershed on July 11, 2009, 11:05:27 PM
NO! IF THEY CANT EAT IT IT AINT BAITING, SCENT IS OKDoesn't seem like the RCW agrees. :twocents:
Post by: Timmybob on July 12, 2009, 12:34:13 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on July 12, 2009, 06:14:02 AM
I am calling the the wildlife law-man on Monday for clarification. If I hear anything different I will let you all in on it..Later guys....Tim
Make sure you get the persons full name and let us know everything they have to say.
Post by: KillBilly on July 12, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
This is interesting...By the way I bought the "Bear Bomb" at Joes for 80% off before they went under. That is the only reason I bought it (cheap). I just didn't think scent would be baiting. There is nothing to eat and it's just floating around in the air. So like stated before, If I spill bacon grease on my thong, am I now baiting?? Seems like the same thing to me.. What about if I release the spray and then pack the can back to my rig right quick? What is there now to get busted for?? Anyways, Thanks for the heads up though everybody. I may have gotten myself in trouble and I am calling the the wildlife law-man on Monday for clarification. If I hear anything different I will let you all in on it..Later guys....Tim
What part of attracting/attractant do you not understand?
RCW 77.15.245
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
If it is a scent that is intended to attract a bear it is illegal. We go through this every year and the RCW still reads the same.
Post by: Gutpile on July 12, 2009, 08:34:53 AM
This is interesting...By the way I bought the "Bear Bomb" at Joes for 80% off before they went under. That is the only reason I bought it (cheap). I just didn't think scent would be baiting. There is nothing to eat and it's just floating around in the air. So like stated before, If I spill bacon grease on my thong, am I now baiting?? Seems like the same thing to me.. What about if I release the spray and then pack the can back to my rig right quick? What is there now to get busted for?? Anyways, Thanks for the heads up though everybody. I may have gotten myself in trouble and I am calling the the wildlife law-man on Monday for clarification. If I hear anything different I will let you all in on it..Later guys....Tim
I spoke to a Gamie face to face about this last summer. Scents are baiting.
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NO! IF THEY CANT EAT IT IT AINT BAITING, SCENT IS OK
You are very wrong my friend.
Post by: littlebuf on July 12, 2009, 08:49:28 AM
Post by: Timmybob on July 12, 2009, 12:19:18 PM
I hear ya....I'm going to give calling a try this year...Thanks again for the heads up everybody..
Post by: follow maggie on July 12, 2009, 08:00:32 PM
Post by: Rob on July 13, 2009, 09:40:24 AM
Post by: whacker1 on July 13, 2009, 10:23:26 AM
the search tool works pretty good for most topics. Everyonce in awhile I get hung up on certain topics. Not sure if KillBilly is using the same search tool or something else.
Post by: KillBilly on July 13, 2009, 10:37:33 AM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/
the search tool works pretty good for most topics. Everyonce in awhile I get hung up on certain topics. Not sure if KillBilly is using the same search tool or something else.
Actually this is a pretty simple one, I use Yahoo search and entered this "rcw bear baiting" it took me to this:
RCW 77.15.245: Unlawful practices — Black bear baiting — Exceptions ...
RCW 77.15.245. Unlawful practices — Black bear baiting — Exceptions — Illegal hunting — Use of ... to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait. ...apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245 - Cached
Which takes me to this:
RCW 77.15.245
Unlawful practices — Black bear baiting — Exceptions — Illegal hunting — Use of dogs — Exceptions — Penalties.
at this URL: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245
(http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245)
Post by: Rob on July 13, 2009, 11:06:36 AM
Pleasent surprise. I have such low expectations for anything the government produces.
Post by: whacker1 on July 13, 2009, 02:07:11 PM
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I have such low expectations for anything the government produces.
When it comes to the Freedom of Information Act - Goverment goes out of their way to comply..... It hasn't always been that way, but sure has the last 10 years or so with the increased use of the internet.
Post by: Kain on July 13, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
"Dear Mr. Kain,
Thank you for contacting the Wildlife Program with your question on bait. As defined in RCW 77.15.245 bait is defined as “a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.”
This includes scents, and other popular attractants sold by sporting goods stores.
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at (360) 902-2515.
Sincerely,
Mike Day
Customer Service Specialist
Wildlife Program"
Post by: dave on July 13, 2009, 07:13:32 PM
Post by: Sideswipe on July 13, 2009, 07:28:04 PM
Post by: Rob on July 13, 2009, 09:17:37 PM
Post by: Timmybob on July 14, 2009, 10:02:25 PM
Post by: saylean on July 14, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
black berry patches... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Palmer on July 15, 2009, 05:43:28 AM
Post by: Gobble on July 15, 2009, 05:51:37 AM
Basic Tng, Fort Ord CA, 1961, Plt Sgt Johnson; "opinions are like ___ holes, everyone's got one". Unfortunately the Badge isn't impressed w/opinions, just the RCW. Scents are illegal.
:yeah: You are correct
Post by: billythekidrock on July 15, 2009, 06:09:41 AM
No, it's not baiting. Scents are different than food. Sents are an attractant. Consider chumming vs. scent attractants while fishing.
And it is against the law for bears as in many cases for fishing.
Post by: rasbo on July 15, 2009, 06:14:44 AM
Post by: Machias on July 15, 2009, 08:36:53 AM
Post by: rasbo on July 15, 2009, 08:45:01 AM
Depending on how you use it, how could they prove it? How could they collect evidence of a smell? If you were using a spray scent, say Anise sprayed on trees and bushes. The area smells like black licorice but there is no "substance". Now if you put it on a rag or something like that sure they would have evidence. Not advocating breaking the law but how in the world would they prove it?they could if they found where ya sprayed it.they would have to work hard at it...after seeing how they went after the guy whose traps I found,one with a bob in it Im not impressed..but rasbo luck would be they would bring in the same media they sent after palin
Post by: Machias on July 15, 2009, 08:56:21 AM