Post by: Dave8pt on July 16, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 16, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
i use slick trick 100's but i haven't killed anything with my bow so take my advice with a grain of salt. :)
if you search on here you'll find hours of reading material on the subject. it's a topic thats been covered in depth numerous times.
Post by: xXx Archery on July 16, 2009, 05:22:22 PM
Post by: bow-n-head on July 16, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on July 16, 2009, 06:10:51 PM
Post by: letmhunt on July 16, 2009, 07:13:47 PM
My brother and i were hunting a different ridge we usualy hunt and called up a monster bull, but we ran out of daylight so we had to back out and return to the same spot the next mornig. Well the next mornig we got a late start getting to the trail head that led up to the top of the ridge. As we were getting out of our rig we heard a bull bugling on the next finger ridge over and decided to get after it. After a couple of set ups the bull just didnt want to come in, so we tried a more aggressive techniqe, we just kept bugling and pushing the bull over each finger ridge trying to spark up other bulls that could be in some of the drainages. And holy chit it worked! we ended up the elks bedroom, there were bulls bugling all over. We set up again and i can hear two bulls fighting about 150 yards up the hill so i ran up as fast as i can and try to get a shot. Two bulls, both nice 6 points, they wouldnt keep still long enough to get a good shot so i just stayed patient. As i watched these bulls battling, i can hear another bull bugling and coming straight toward me and he sounds like a monster! and i was right, the bull walked right in front of me at 10 yards! quartering away shot, one lung and liver. I was frickin buzzin man!!! after gathering myself, i went to get my brother to tell him that i shot a bull of a lifetime. We waited a agonizing hour and a half before tracking, after about 100 yards the bull was down! WOW!, what a hunt to remember shared between brothers. Now the real work begins, just one problem we left our packs, knives, water everthing back at the truck, no way to gut this elk out. we sat a few minutes and i looked at my arrows and i broke one in half and said to my brother, we just have use my broadheads, so theres the story, gutted a whole elk with magnus stingers, sharp as hell!!!!
Post by: norsepeak on July 16, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
Post by: boneaddict on July 16, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on July 16, 2009, 08:11:06 PM
I'm always looking for a more consistent head. Ever practice with broadheads and they all work perfect, then all of a sudden have one that sends your arrow into a winger......hopefully not when a 350 bull is standing in front of you.
Thats why you get spittin close Bone!....... :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on July 16, 2009, 08:13:51 PM
Post by: norsepeak on July 16, 2009, 08:18:50 PM
Post by: mossback91 on July 16, 2009, 08:20:23 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on July 16, 2009, 11:06:15 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on July 17, 2009, 08:15:17 AM
Muzzy's work good. You can buy them just about anywhere if you loose all your arrows your first hunt. I have ran into several guys with only 1 arrow in the quiver. They mis judged the animals and lost there arrows.
Well good is not good enought for me...That might have something to do with you loosing all your arrows
Post by: mossback91 on July 17, 2009, 08:18:07 AM
Post by: Crunchy on July 17, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
Post by: bowman on July 17, 2009, 12:58:01 PM
They are awesome broadheads. I shot my deer from 40 yards and the arrow went through both shoulder blades.
They fly the exact same as my field tips.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on July 17, 2009, 01:08:24 PM
Post by: boneaddict on July 17, 2009, 02:03:27 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on July 17, 2009, 02:25:41 PM
Hey all, trying to find some new broadheads for the upcoming deer/elk season. Just wanting to get some suggestions from like minded hunters. The focus will be elk, but mule deer are in the area too. I've owned and have been shooting my bow (Bowtech 2009 Sniper) since last December but have yet to try out broadheads. I'm asking because it's been YEARS since the last time I bowhunted. So if anyone's got some experience with a particular head that they liked or disliked, I'd like to hear from you. Thanks
I just got a bowtech sniper a few months back and am also looking for some broadheads, I think I might go witht the slick trick :dunno:
Post by: popeshawnpaul on July 17, 2009, 02:46:47 PM
Post by: elkoholic1 on July 17, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
Post by: Dave8pt on July 17, 2009, 03:48:30 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on July 17, 2009, 03:50:58 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on July 17, 2009, 03:54:24 PM
I bet more deer and elk have been killed with thuderheads than any head except for muzzys in the last 20 years.
SO...I bet more elk will die in the NEXT 20 years with Slick Trick's
Post by: bow4elk on July 17, 2009, 04:12:49 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on July 17, 2009, 04:17:53 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on July 17, 2009, 07:00:04 PM
I have been shooting 4 blade muzzy's for about 5 years and killed a deer ever year with them. Not a bad broadhead. But this year i'm switching to slick trick standard or magnum! Just cant decide which one is the best? :dunno: Are you shoting the standard or magnum xxx?
I shot my bull with the 100gr Standard and my Buck with the Magnums...they bolth fly great
Post by: bow4elk on July 17, 2009, 07:06:40 PM
Post by: BrandonWatts on July 18, 2009, 12:31:58 AM
slick tricks are the best.. absolutly no brainer fly perfect every time...
did you have to adjust you sight at all with the slick tricks. i ask because i am picking mine up next week.
Post by: mossback91 on July 18, 2009, 08:51:56 AM
slick tricks are the best.. absolutly no brainer fly perfect every time...
did you have to adjust you sight at all with the slick tricks. i ask because i am picking mine up next week.
my slick tricks fly the same as my broadhead
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on July 18, 2009, 09:35:01 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on July 18, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on July 18, 2009, 08:07:24 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on July 19, 2009, 12:06:38 PM
slick tricks are the best.. absolutly no brainer fly perfect every time...
did you have to adjust you sight at all with the slick tricks. i ask because i am picking mine up next week.
If your bow is tuned right and your broadheads are tuned straight any broadhead will impact with your field points.
Post by: elkoholic1 on July 22, 2009, 10:54:11 AM
Post by: Todd_ID on July 22, 2009, 02:08:21 PM
am i the only one using flint these days :dunno:
Yep :chuckle:
Post by: the_fish on July 26, 2009, 09:35:21 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on July 26, 2009, 09:55:51 PM
Post by: the_fish on July 26, 2009, 10:06:08 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on July 26, 2009, 10:09:07 PM
Post by: KillBilly on July 27, 2009, 06:11:30 AM
Post by: Wild Bill on August 02, 2009, 07:28:46 PM
Sooooo..... What is you choice of slick trick?0
Post by: JoeVon on August 02, 2009, 07:36:02 PM
Cory, is there any advantage with the Grizz Trick over the standard head?
Post by: xXx Archery on August 02, 2009, 08:00:28 PM
I shot my bull last year with the 1" and my Buck with the 1 1/8"
they all fly Great....
Post by: JoeVon on August 02, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
Post by: vanhornhunter on August 03, 2009, 06:20:38 PM
Post by: KillBilly on August 03, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.
Post by: vanhornhunter on August 03, 2009, 06:53:32 PM
It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.
They're not barbed if that's what your thinking? And they're not sharp on the back edge either. :dunno:
Post by: KillBilly on August 03, 2009, 07:04:56 PM
The T-Locks are not legal in Washington State
It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.
They're not barbed if that's what your thinking? And they're not sharp on the back edge either. :dunno:
The key is they don't form a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft. The fact that they form a 90 degree back to the shaft is what makes them illegal. That 90 is what constitutes a barb.
Post by: JoeVon on August 03, 2009, 07:11:12 PM
The T-Locks are not legal in Washington State
It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.
I guess I was mistaken.... ;)
Post by: KillBilly on August 03, 2009, 07:11:18 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: We go through every year
Post by: mossback91 on August 03, 2009, 08:48:21 PM
Post by: vanhornhunter on August 03, 2009, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on August 03, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
Thanks I guess I'll use those for Oregon instead.
Its the same in Oregon :'(
Post by: vanhornhunter on August 03, 2009, 09:06:15 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on August 03, 2009, 09:08:53 PM
Post by: Wild Bill on August 04, 2009, 08:29:13 AM
The T-Locks are not legal in Washington State
It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.
They're not barbed if that's what your thinking? And they're not sharp on the back edge either. :dunno:
Okay now what the hell. Unless I fell off the boat, and unless u r referencing something other than a shuttle t lock, every damn Broadhead on the shelve has close to a 90 degree back. Muzzy, montec, slick trick. If they are not, then they are damn close. So, help explain what's up. By the way, I f****** hate the rules in this state. Soon the actual bend in a hook will be considered a barb, and we will be left to use the ancient " toggle hook".
The key is they don't form a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft. The fact that they form a 90 degree back to the shaft is what makes them illegal. That 90 is what constitutes a barb.
Post by: JBar on August 04, 2009, 05:38:57 PM
The T-Locks are not legal in Washington State
It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.
They're not barbed if that's what your thinking? And they're not sharp on the back edge either. :dunno:
The key is they don't form a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft. The fact that they form a 90 degree back to the shaft is what makes them illegal. That 90 is what constitutes a barb.
Actually that smooth unbroken line on a T lock does not angle toward the point
either. Look at a Thunderhead that line actually angles back towards the point. So I call BS.
Post by: JBar on August 04, 2009, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: vanhornhunter on August 04, 2009, 10:49:24 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 05, 2009, 11:45:25 AM
The T-Locks are not legal in Washington State
It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.
They're not barbed if that's what your thinking? And they're not sharp on the back edge either. :dunno:
Okay now what the hell. Unless I fell off the boat, and unless u r referencing something other than a shuttle t lock, every damn Broadhead on the shelve has close to a 90 degree back. Muzzy, montec, slick trick. If they are not, then they are damn close. So, help explain what's up. By the way, I f****** hate the rules in this state. Soon the actual bend in a hook will be considered a barb, and we will be left to use the ancient " toggle hook".
The key is they don't form a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft. The fact that they form a 90 degree back to the shaft is what makes them illegal. That 90 is what constitutes a barb.
looks like i might have some filing to do on the back of my shuttle t's :IBCOOL: cuz thats what im usin!!!
Post by: Intruder on August 05, 2009, 12:18:37 PM
I'd be real interested to hear the definitive poop on this.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 11, 2009, 04:28:06 PM
I've never heard any legal rulings or interpretations regarding Shuttle-Ts being considered a "barbed" broadhead. In looking through a catalog I can see several others that appear to have the same 90 deg design: G5 striker, Slick Tricks, Wac Em Triton. While that certainly doesn't prove that T-Locks are legal... you don't hear mention of these being illegal either.i emailed the wdfw a pic of teh shutle t and got an email response that they are illegal, so would that make strikers and wac'ems, and slick tricks? i dont know. but i will be using a file on the back of my shuttle t lock blades until they make a nice 91 degree angle with the shaft. ridiculus :bash:
I'd be real interested to hear the definitive poop on this.
stupid rule.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 11, 2009, 04:32:38 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 11, 2009, 04:33:58 PM
The broadhead in the picture below is not lawful for hunting if the rear of the blade is perpendicular to the shaft. From the picture you provided the angle appears to be 90-degrees.
As you already know, the current archery equipment restrictions require the back of the blade to form a smooth, unbroken surface toward the feather end of the shaft. Since a 90-degree line cannot also angle toward the feather end of the shaft, this blade is not lawful for hunting in our state.
Mik Mikitik
Department of Fish and Wildlife
Enforcement Program
Hunter Education Division
From:
Sent: Wed 8/5/2009 11:21 AM
To: Enforcement Office (DFW)
Cc:
Subject: legal broadhead for WA state?
i am emailing to check legality of a broadhead for bowhunting big game in WA state, the head in question is a Trophy Taker Shuttle T-lock, pic provided.
the rule in question is the back of the blade must be smooth unbroken line toward the feather end of the shaft, and not toward the point. this head has a 90 degree angle from the arrow shaft to the back of the blade. it does not angle either way. can you give me a difinitive answer as to if these are legal or not?
thank you,
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 11, 2009, 04:36:09 PM
Post by: JBar on August 11, 2009, 04:39:12 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 11, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 11, 2009, 04:42:18 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 11, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
That's actually kinda funny because I talked to a pretty reliable person in the archery industry that had talked to the original manufacturer of the T-loc and they sent one to the WDFW and got their approval! :dunno: I'm stubborn so I'll still use em.me too!! it will only take a minute to make them legal!!!
Post by: boneaddict on August 11, 2009, 04:43:31 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 11, 2009, 04:44:27 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 11, 2009, 04:45:30 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 11, 2009, 04:45:53 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 11, 2009, 04:48:08 PM
All of those crackers on huntwa are using illegal broad heads and its not fair. I feel like they are stealing from me please make them stop.
-Sincerely WDFW 1# Fan
Post by: boneaddict on August 11, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 11, 2009, 04:49:37 PM
Post by: mossback91 on August 11, 2009, 04:51:31 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 11, 2009, 04:52:17 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 11, 2009, 04:53:01 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 11, 2009, 07:28:56 PM
Post by: mrtinmatt on August 11, 2009, 07:56:21 PM
Post by: bowkid on August 11, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
Post by: Jason on August 11, 2009, 11:00:53 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 11, 2009, 11:39:43 PM
Thank you for your recent e-mail to WDFW. Your e-mail has been forwarded to me for a response.
The broadhead in the picture below is not lawful for hunting if the rear of the blade is perpendicular to the shaft. From the picture you provided the angle appears to be 90-degrees.
As you already know, the current archery equipment restrictions require the back of the blade to form a smooth, unbroken surface toward the feather end of the shaft. Since a 90-degree line cannot also angle toward the feather end of the shaft, this blade is not lawful for hunting in our state.
Mik Mikitik
Department of Fish and Wildlife
Enforcement Program
Hunter Education Division
From:
Sent: Wed 8/5/2009 11:21 AM
To: Enforcement Office (DFW)
Cc:
Subject: legal broadhead for WA state?
i am emailing to check legality of a broadhead for bowhunting big game in WA state, the head in question is a Trophy Taker Shuttle T-lock, pic provided.
the rule in question is the back of the blade must be smooth unbroken line toward the feather end of the shaft, and not toward the point. this head has a 90 degree angle from the arrow shaft to the back of the blade. it does not angle either way. can you give me a difinitive answer as to if these are legal or not?
thank you,
DUDE! you cant just post a picture of a Shuttle online like that! what if my mom or someone caught me looking at it? Id be so embarrassed! :yike:
Post by: JBar on August 12, 2009, 06:20:30 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 12, 2009, 07:12:30 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 12, 2009, 08:14:18 AM
Wac'em Tritons are legal in WA, their more than 90 degrees, I was stopped by a WDFW officer last year during early Deer season and he checked my and my buddies equipment, my buddy had shuttle T's and I had Tritons, he made my buddy put his arrows in the truck, and I just watched in amazement, my buddy was pissed to say the least, he just bought 3 packs of shuttle T's.
reading this says they are illegal... not completely closed at the back end with a smooth unbroken line. to me it looks like it angles back toward the point.
It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with
a broadhead blade unless the broadhead
is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by
a smooth, unbroken surface starting at
maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and
such line does not angle toward the point.
THESE BROADSHEAD LAWS ARE *censored*!!!!!!!!! AND YES, I KNOW I AM YELLING!!!!
Post by: Slider on August 12, 2009, 08:51:31 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 12, 2009, 08:53:14 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 12, 2009, 09:16:32 AM
Slick Trick and Shuttle Tee's are illegal!!!..... :lol4: Mine aren't!!!................. :chuckle:
mayber you could buy me a pack of those legal ones to try out :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:o :o :o
Post by: vanhornhunter on August 12, 2009, 09:57:36 AM
Post by: SpokaneSlayer on August 12, 2009, 10:02:16 AM
Post by: BobW on August 12, 2009, 10:10:42 AM
Post by: hoytem on August 12, 2009, 10:53:10 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 12, 2009, 11:02:58 AM
If it's nearly impossible to see, what is the wildlife officer going to say? My bet is he will deem them illegal and he's got the ticket to write. I mean, are the guys who use them going to take a protractor out in the field with them? I'll stick with my Stingers that are obviously legal.it never says that you have to be able to see the angle in the rules... :chuckle:
if the specs of the broadhead say that it angles toward the feather end, that is good enough for me. i am working on getting some info.
if not i will make mine legal, like i have stated before.
I am amazed at the sheer stupidity of our wonderful fish and wildlife department. :bash:
is it lunch time yet?
Post by: JBar on August 12, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Man I hate to say this, but I just got off the phone with WDFW. I was told it's at the discression of the officer, that they are technically illegal. And on top of that I was told that no archery organizations in Washington have made any comments or complaints about this type of broad head. The claim was that if there had been some complaints the rule could be changed
So we're guilty until proven innocent!? Oh! I forgot that's how the system works :DOH:Maybe they should carry protractors in the field! :bash:
Post by: BobW on August 12, 2009, 02:01:10 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on August 12, 2009, 04:14:14 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on August 12, 2009, 05:32:51 PM
Slick Trick and Shuttle Tee's are illegal!!!..... :lol4: Mine aren't!!!................. :chuckle:
SLICK TRICKS.....are legal
Post by: JBar on August 12, 2009, 06:06:48 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 12, 2009, 07:16:44 PM
Just go get yourselves some Wasp Bullets. They will fly better than both and are tougher than both and you can get 6 of them for ................$28 freaking dollars!!!!!!!!! PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!! What a miracle.!!!!!!!!! I don't succomb to all the marketing hype that goes on in the bowhunting world. As such I have more money in my pocket, more big bulls on my wall and the game dept is not crawling all over my a..hole!!!!!
Post by: xXx Archery on August 12, 2009, 10:31:26 PM
Slick trick.......Shuttle t.........equals marketing hype.
Just go get yourselves some Wasp Bullets. They will fly better than both and are tougher than both and you can get 6 of them for ................$28 freaking dollars!!!!!!!!! PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!! What a miracle.!!!!!!!!! I don't succomb to all the marketing hype that goes on in the bowhunting world. As such I have more money in my pocket, more big bulls on my wall and the game dept is not crawling all over my a..hole!!!!!
LOL .....WOW....#1 I dont have the Game Dept up my azz #2 Marketing HYPE? where with Slick Tricks ?
Slick Tricks are ALL steel blades .35 thick and sell for 26-28.00 for three at your Pro Shop or 25.00 plus shipping on there Web site
Wasp....?.27 thick on the blades sells for 28.00 plus shipping......but on there web site they are 39.00? plus shipping...WOW who's making the $$ ?
there is a lot of good heads out now days....just shoot what YOU like....good luck hunting this year....take lots of Pics..
Post by: alwinearcher on August 13, 2009, 09:20:03 AM
Slick trick.......Shuttle t.........equals marketing hype.
Just go get yourselves some Wasp Bullets. They will fly better than both and are tougher than both and you can get 6 of them for ................$28 freaking dollars!!!!!!!!! PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!! What a miracle.!!!!!!!!! I don't succomb to all the marketing hype that goes on in the bowhunting world. As such I have more money in my pocket, more big bulls on my wall and the game dept is not crawling all over my a..hole!!!!!
Shuttle T-Locs marketing hype?! :chuckle:
They are probably the most accurate broadhead on the market, and will cut a bigger hole in a animal then any broadhead with conventional shaped blades of the same cutting diameter!
Post by: JBar on August 13, 2009, 05:18:43 PM
XxX- Looks like you might be missing out on some BH sales, with the exception of Wapiti it looks like guys are split between the ST and and the Slick Tricks.
Post by: xXx Archery on August 13, 2009, 08:57:41 PM
Post by: SHANE(WA) on August 13, 2009, 11:45:14 PM
Post by: JBar on August 14, 2009, 05:01:13 AM
Post by: BobW on August 14, 2009, 06:43:03 AM
By the way, we know each other. I helped you hold the black back drop when Mike took the pic of your bear half mount. :hello:
Post by: T Taker Tech on August 14, 2009, 09:30:59 AM
Trophy Taker welcomes any discussion from Washington Dept of Fish and Wildlife or any other state Game and Fish agency as it is important to us to distribute products that are legal and to equip our dealers and consumers with fair and accurate knowledge of the status of our products in their state. However, it is equally important for said agencies to engage in fact finding before ruling on the legality of equipment. Simply looking at a 3-D rendering of a product that is not pictured at a right angle and that is not pictured with an arrow shaft attached is an inadequate method of determining whether a blade angles forward, is at exactly 90 degrees or angles backward. The Washington rules interpret the barbed definition in conjunction with an arrow shaft, therefore, it is imperative that an arrow shaft be attached to the broadhead to determine its status. By referring to the photo you will clearly see that the Shuttle T-s angle forward and are in complete compliance with Washington law.
To my knowledge, the only reason that many states have barbless broadhead laws is to give the arrow the best chance of backing back out of a non lethal wound channel, thus giving the animal a better chance at survival. I think it is a great law and quite frankly, I think that it should be a law in every state. As individual hunters and as Game and Fish law enforcement officers, we should all ask the same question..."If this broadhead doesn't end up where it was intended to go, is there anything in the design of the product that will unreasonably obstruct it from falling back out?" I am sure that is the intent behind the WA state law and the reason it specifies that the back edge be smooth and angled toward the tip. It is a good law and one that both of our broadheads respect.
Here's an interesting point to think about....there are still a ton of broadheads on the market that are "legal" in the state that readily lose blades due to insufficient blade retention mechanisms on the head. I find it ironic that broadheads that have superior blade retention capabilities like the Slick Trick, T-Locks, Wac'Em, Striker, etc come under consternation for being close to 90 degrees (notice I said close...each of the heads mentioned angle forward to the tip), yet you will rarely, if ever, lose blades with these heads...in fact, ours is the only one on the market that I know of that posts a guarantee on the package that you will not lose a blade! Seems like it is a better option to have a head that is only slightly angled forward but will not leave it's cargo behind (aka blades) than it is to have a head that angles forward aggressively and yet loses blades every time it hits some really hard bone and leaves said blade inside animal...whether it is a lethal or non-lethal wound. OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, I hope this clears up any confusion that might be stirring around out there.
We are happy to submit samples to the state departments for review and we welcome any feedback that you individually or the Washington Dept of Fish and Wildlife might have. Feel free to contact me personally at:
jrlile@trophytaker.com
406-826-0600
Sincerely,
Jerrod Lile
Trophy Taker, Inc
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
the t locks fly outstanding and are a superior design.
i am glad they are legal to use, that way i am legal as a hunter because i was usin them anyways. :chuckle:
Post by: hoytem on August 14, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 14, 2009, 10:34:13 AM
Post by: JBar on August 14, 2009, 12:34:53 PM
JBar
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 01:40:36 PM
Lets see 1 dozen T's would cost you $100-140
1 dozen Wasp Bullets cost me $64 dollars including shipping. Oh and they really do fly just as good as any head out there. And they are as tough as any head out there. Maybe my addition or subtraction has an error in it somewhere but those numbers appear to look darn good to me. Every animal I have shot didn't know the difference that 1/8th in would make. :dunno: :twocents:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 01:53:05 PM
WASP's exclusive Stainless Smart Tip (SST) is one of the sharpest and strongest tip of any broadhead on the market. The Smart Tip is heat-treated to 42RC and crafted from 416 stainless steel, giving bowhunters maximum strength and
bone-splitting penetrations.
WASP technology pre-aligns the edges of the Trocar tip to the rise of the blades creating a straight cutting edge path that insures maximum penetration on all North American game.
WASP engineers, through the use of pyrotechnics, shot three HAMMER SST broadheads through 10 steel plates fashioned from the sides of 55 gallon drums – the equivalent to 5/16" total thickness – and all three broadheads penetrated and held together perfectly.
Tough? You decide!
Post by: xXx Archery on August 14, 2009, 04:12:40 PM
ONE TOUGH BROADHEAD
WASP's exclusive Stainless Smart Tip (SST) is one of the sharpest and strongest tip of any broadhead on the market. The Smart Tip is heat-treated to 42RC and crafted from 416 stainless steel, giving bowhunters maximum strength and
bone-splitting penetrations.
WASP technology pre-aligns the edges of the Trocar tip to the rise of the blades creating a straight cutting edge path that insures maximum penetration on all North American game.
WASP engineers, through the use of pyrotechnics, shot three HAMMER SST broadheads through 10 steel plates fashioned from the sides of 55 gallon drums – the equivalent to 5/16" total thickness – and all three broadheads penetrated and held together perfectly.
Tough? You decide!
LOL....I can copy and paste the marketing hype too :hello:
and I have shot the wasp heads they are good......BUT...not any better or tougher then other heads...thats all marketing hype.
Post by: Turkeyman on August 14, 2009, 04:55:46 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
ONE TOUGH BROADHEAD
WASP's exclusive Stainless Smart Tip (SST) is one of the sharpest and strongest tip of any broadhead on the market. The Smart Tip is heat-treated to 42RC and crafted from 416 stainless steel, giving bowhunters maximum strength and
bone-splitting penetrations.
WASP technology pre-aligns the edges of the Trocar tip to the rise of the blades creating a straight cutting edge path that insures maximum penetration on all North American game.
WASP engineers, through the use of pyrotechnics, shot three HAMMER SST broadheads through 10 steel plates fashioned from the sides of 55 gallon drums – the equivalent to 5/16" total thickness – and all three broadheads penetrated and held together perfectly.
Tough? You decide!
LOL....I can copy and paste the marketing hype too :hello:
and I have shot the wasp heads they are good......BUT...not any better or tougher then other heads...thats all marketing hype.
Hi man, I never said they were better I just said they were as tough and as accurate as anything else out there. The key here is cost. They really are a heck of alot cheaper. With the way the economy has been going I think it kindly to point out to the viewers that they can get great quality and great flying heads for half the price of the T's. Shoot, anyway what hunts you got lined up for this year? You probably saw I have the NS elk tag. Hope you guys have a great season and bag some nice trophies. Good hunting to all. :tup:
Post by: Titan-1 on August 14, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2009, 06:39:05 PM
ONE TOUGH BROADHEAD
WASP's exclusive Stainless Smart Tip (SST) is one of the sharpest and strongest tip of any broadhead on the market. The Smart Tip is heat-treated to 42RC and crafted from 416 stainless steel, giving bowhunters maximum strength and
bone-splitting penetrations.
WASP technology pre-aligns the edges of the Trocar tip to the rise of the blades creating a straight cutting edge path that insures maximum penetration on all North American game.
WASP engineers, through the use of pyrotechnics, shot three HAMMER SST broadheads through 10 steel plates fashioned from the sides of 55 gallon drums – the equivalent to 5/16" total thickness – and all three broadheads penetrated and held together perfectly.
Tough? You decide!
LOL....I can copy and paste the marketing hype too :hello:
and I have shot the wasp heads they are good......BUT...not any better or tougher then other heads...thats all marketing hype.
Hi man, I never said they were better I just said they were as tough and as accurate as anything else out there. The key here is cost. They really are a heck of alot cheaper. With the way the economy has been going I think it kindly to point out to the viewers that they can get great quality and great flying heads for half the price of the T's. Shoot, anyway what hunts you got lined up for this year? You probably saw I have the NS elk tag. Hope you guys have a great season and bag some nice trophies. Good hunting to all. :tup:
you can have your dozen broadheads for 64 dollars, i will take my one pack at 34.99 and get through the year just fine :chuckle:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 06:47:37 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2009, 07:01:04 PM
Dang! Three heads? You must be Howard Hill or something. So you are only going to shoot one animal? Two misses and one good hit? :chuckle: Just wondering. :dunno: :twocents:
no actually i have 2 packs, and if i need more i will get some. just thought i would try and cause some commotion. :stirthepot:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2009, 07:15:13 PM
i got it! you find a big buck, and then you can watch me shoot it with a shuttle t.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 07:16:53 PM
Post by: mossback91 on August 14, 2009, 07:18:17 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 07:20:50 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2009, 07:21:21 PM
Well when you miss six times I will kill it on my seventh Bullet! Maybe!! :chuckle: :chuckle: This is gettin fun now!!! :hello:
i will only shoot at it 5 times cuz if i miss all of those i will need the last one for myself :bash:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2009, 07:22:49 PM
god seventh arrow?!?!? you guys need more practice!! :chuckle:
practice? psshht i dont even have a ow yet! i still have like 2 and a half weks to get one and learn to shoot right? :IBCOOL:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
I once shot 6 arrows at a spike deer on a job site and never even came close. WOW! I cant believe I just posted that. :dunno: Oh well it happens right? :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Too true my friend, To true.
I once shot 6 arrows at a spike deer on a job site and never even came close. WOW! I cant believe I just posted that. :dunno: Oh well it happens right? :chuckle:
i wish i could go hunting at work, even if i did miss!... but really 6 arrows at one deer? thats some great grouping there! i wont post my story about the deer i shot 6 arrows at. :chuckle:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 07:41:22 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2009, 07:44:53 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 08:09:13 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 14, 2009, 08:35:53 PM
Wapitihunter, do you do all your own bow work? I am hopeing so, because although it sounds like you are getting a great deal on your broadheads through the internet, it is that bargain shopping offline that will soon put archery shops out of buisness and there isnt going to be anyone left to tune everyones bow. :dunno:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 14, 2009, 08:48:25 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 14, 2009, 09:00:14 PM
The only reason I bought them on line this year is my shop was not carrying them and he could not even come close to their price. I still buy all my crap from my pro shop other than the heads. My shop takes care of me and well I defend them viciously.
Good to know brother, good to know!
Post by: xXx Archery on August 16, 2009, 07:11:15 PM
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Post by: xXx Archery on August 16, 2009, 07:16:40 PM
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Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on August 17, 2009, 06:32:56 PM