Post by: bankwalker on August 05, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
im mainly looking at the short action.
so how big of a difference is the kick between a 7mm-08 and 308? with the thought in mind that this gun will be given to my gf after the season is over or i get a deer. which ever comes first. and there will be a 90% chance she will be using it to take her deer and elk if that time comes this season.
she is smaller framed girl. and my old 30-06 was a little much for her out of a mountain rifle that was right at 6.3lbs. and the marlin xs7 is listed at 6.3lbs without scope.
Post by: Jamieb on August 05, 2009, 10:15:31 PM
I prefer the 7-08 just becuse I like 7mm's
Post by: G.R.K on August 05, 2009, 11:43:43 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on August 05, 2009, 11:50:19 PM
Post by: Huntboy on August 06, 2009, 12:00:16 AM
Post by: Sneaky on August 06, 2009, 12:13:13 AM
Post by: bobcat on August 06, 2009, 08:26:29 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 06, 2009, 08:27:40 AM
Post by: GoldTip on August 06, 2009, 08:29:07 AM
Post by: smdave on August 06, 2009, 08:39:57 AM
Post by: thinkingman on August 06, 2009, 08:42:09 AM
If you reload, get the 7.
If not, the 308.
Both good choices.
Post by: Straight Shooter on August 06, 2009, 08:54:24 AM
Post by: bobcat on August 06, 2009, 08:56:31 AM
Post by: C-Money on August 06, 2009, 09:05:02 AM
Post by: PA BEN on August 06, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
I'd get the 308 just because the ammo is cheaper. There's really no difference in performance between the two.I have and shoot both. I like the 7mm-08 better. A lot flatter shooting and doesn't kick like the 308. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on August 06, 2009, 07:02:33 PM
Post by: beardown on August 06, 2009, 07:13:30 PM
Post by: runamuk on August 06, 2009, 07:31:51 PM
Post by: bucklucky on August 06, 2009, 07:46:57 PM
Post by: ecnclan on August 06, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
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7mm-08
:yeah:
Both solid cartridges, 7mm-08 is just what I would lean towards.
Post by: cascademountainhunter on August 06, 2009, 08:23:56 PM
Post by: Jerbear on August 06, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
Post by: bankwalker on August 06, 2009, 10:44:35 PM
you guys are making this a hard choice. i know i decided to buy the 308 for myself. but i fell into a little bit more then i thought. so i think i might just buy one of each caliber. then i wont have to choose :chuckle:
thats a tought problem to have
thanks for the info guys
Post by: dbllunger on August 06, 2009, 10:54:45 PM
Post by: bucklucky on August 06, 2009, 10:56:24 PM
Post by: Head-shot on August 07, 2009, 06:48:24 AM
Hell, you can never have too many guns right?? :chuckle: Ive been wanting to get a 7mm-o8 just to have, figure it would make a good deer gun. Already have a 308.that's funny Charlie, that's exactally the same thing I was gonna say. I love my 308 and I want a 7mm 08 so the wife or the boys can hunt with it too.
Post by: bucklucky on August 07, 2009, 07:48:38 AM
Post by: HUNT on August 07, 2009, 07:52:21 AM
Post by: Intruder on August 07, 2009, 08:15:02 AM
As far as recoil.... all things equal the 7mm-08 should recoil a little less assuming the bullet weight is lighter, 140 vs 165 for instance.
Post by: PA BEN on August 08, 2009, 06:05:35 AM
Post by: fishcrazy on August 08, 2009, 08:53:25 AM
Kris
Post by: clindsayrun on August 08, 2009, 09:07:26 AM
Post by: Buckblaster on August 08, 2009, 09:49:06 AM
Post by: bankwalker on August 08, 2009, 10:56:46 AM
I would look into the .270 wsm. A close second would be the .308. I really like that cal. It's in my top 3 favs. I don't know anything about the 7-08 so I will just shut up now.
Kris
i would jump all over the 270wsm. that my fav caliber. but the rifle im looking at does not come in wsm calibers
Post by: Buckmark on August 08, 2009, 11:49:33 AM
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Listen to buckblaster, he shots a browning so he is pretty smart. :tup:
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If it was my choice and $ was not a factor in the decision then the 7mm-08 would be what i would pick, but if $ was part of the decision then .308, cheaper to use in the long run and will do what you need no questions at all.
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I find it interesting that we can waiver so much on rifle choice's and we have that luxury, when in the years past most hunters only owned 1 gun for everything, didnt have the extra money to buy more than one so they bought one gun and used it forever.. My dad has had onle one rifel his whole life of hunting, more than 50 years, a winchester .308, he thinks im crazy for having so many, say's you can only carry one at a time..
Post by: grousetracker on August 08, 2009, 12:20:30 PM
Post by: byrdman on August 08, 2009, 01:23:01 PM
why would you want a 7mm-08 over the 308 when the 308 is the most accurate caliber in the world since 1968 till 2001 when the 338 from europe showed up.
Do you have facts to share with us? It seems this would be more common knowledge...
Post by: runningboard on August 08, 2009, 02:08:46 PM
Post by: JoshT on August 08, 2009, 03:05:36 PM
the 308 is the most accurate caliber in the world since 1968 till 2001 when the 338 from europe showed up.
6PPC dude...
Post by: 270Shooter on August 08, 2009, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: Firing Pin on August 08, 2009, 09:02:51 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 08, 2009, 09:06:53 PM
Or, as I already said, get the 270, which you were thinking about anyway. With it you can shoot a 130 grain bullet, versus the 150 in the 308, and recoil (I'm guessing) should be very similar or maybe a little less with the 270. But the 270 will shoot a little flatter. And 270 ammo is just as readily available as 308.
Post by: clindsayrun on August 08, 2009, 09:49:34 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 09, 2009, 06:12:21 AM
im gonna order a new rifle in a couple days. ive settled with the marlin xs7 in either 7mm-08 or 308. possible a xl7 in 270Yes the 308 is good. But with my wife and girds hate the kick. So, they flinch when they shoot it. It got to a point that they didn't want to hunt because of the kick. They all shoot the 7mm-08 and are happy to go target shooting, I'll even test them when we shoot and slip in an empty round and see if they flinch when they pull the trigger. It's a Win. Model 70 youth. You guys can talk all you want about how good the 308 is, that's not the point. He wants a gun for his girl friend. One thing I know is what guns girls like to shoot and the 308 isn't one of them. I have a wife and 5 daughters, all have killed deer. 243 is a good deer gun also but it's small for bear and elk.
im mainly looking at the short action.
so how big of a difference is the kick between a 7mm-08 and 308? with the thought in mind that this gun will be given to my gf after the season is over or i get a deer. which ever comes first. and there will be a 90% chance she will be using it to take her deer and elk if that time comes this season.
she is smaller framed girl. and my old 30-06 was a little much for her out of a mountain rifle that was right at 6.3lbs. and the marlin xs7 is listed at 6.3lbs without scope.
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Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2009, 06:41:34 AM
Post by: PA BEN on August 09, 2009, 06:56:59 AM
Well, I just don't think there's much difference in recoil between the 7/08 with a 140 grain bullet and a 308 with a 150 grain bullet. They both use the same case, with the same amount of powder, so the recoil should be so close I don't think a person could tell the difference.Have you ever shot a 7mm-08? So, with what you said, a 243 should kick like a 308 because it uses a 308 case. :rolleyes: Look at the diameter of a 30 cal. bullet and the diameter of a 7mm cal. bullet. Next time you drive down the road stick your hand out the window, open your hand then close it. It weighs the same but when you make your hand bigger theres more resistance, hence more recoil.
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2009, 07:42:54 AM
Or try this: http://www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/calculators/php/recoil.htm
Post by: PA BEN on August 09, 2009, 08:35:15 AM
Post by: yorketransport on August 09, 2009, 03:35:35 PM
Andrew
Post by: PA BEN on August 09, 2009, 04:30:32 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2009, 05:02:50 PM
Well I guess it's me you're trying to prove wrong with that quote.
You know, I never said the 7/08 wasn't a good cartridge and that it doesn't have a slight advantage over the 308 with its flatter trajectory and less recoil. I just like to always point out to people that the advantages that are claimed for it aren't as great as many make them out to be. I would bet that if you had one of each in an identical rifle you would not be able to tell the difference in recoil, if you were using similar bullet weights.
You're talking here about a cartridge for someone who is a new hunter and inexperienced. They are likely not going to take a shot longer than let's say 250 yards. Well out to that range there will not be any noticeable difference in trajectory between the 7/08 and the 308, or even the 270. See, in my mind the 308 is just as good as the 7/08 in a practical sense, with the benefit of cheap and more readily available ammo. I am sure you can buy decent 308 ammo for $15/box. I don't know what 7/08 would be but I would guess it might be hard to find it for less than $30/box.
So as has already been said by some in this thread, I feel the 7/08 is great for someone who reloads, but if not a reloader I feel they should definitely consider the 308 instead. Or, the 270, which if the shooter is really recoil sensitive, you can buy the "reduced recoil" loads that are available with a 115 grain bullet. Actually I believe the 308 also has these reduced recoil loads as an option.
Post by: PA BEN on August 09, 2009, 05:30:23 PM
I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong. Everbody is thrying to sell this guy on 308's and 270's. I've owned and hunted with my 308 for over 30 years. Matter of fact most of the hunters arround shot 30-06's. My girls shot my semi auto, BTW, recoil is less with a semi auto and it's a very heavy gun. I purchased a 243 win. mod 70 youth and a 7mm-08 win. mod 70 youth. Had the 7mm-08 for 20 yrs. Never had a problem finding factory amo for it. And the kids love shooting it. The question by this man was he's looking for a gun, 308 or 7mm-08 for his girl friend. BTW, my good hunting buddy baught the same youth mod 70 in 308 for his wife. Kicks the crap out of her.
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2009, 05:56:39 PM
Post by: Jamieb on August 09, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
Rem 700 mountain guide in 7mm-08, leupold 3.5x10/M1's in Taley low LW rings. Shooting 120gr nosler balistic tips at 3000fps with little recoil. It's my backpacking/deer/bear rifle.
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Post by: Buckblaster on August 11, 2009, 04:53:49 PM
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Post by: shag on August 15, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
7mm-08 is one mean killing machine.
Post by: 308ME on August 16, 2009, 08:22:51 PM
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Post by: Huntbear on August 18, 2009, 09:19:28 PM
Post by: PWN Kurt on August 18, 2009, 11:44:02 PM
Post by: addicted on August 19, 2009, 08:11:17 AM
father in law has one and it kicks just as easy as the 7mm08 in his safe. but thats probably cuz it is set up well.
Post by: Curly on August 19, 2009, 08:15:57 AM