Post by: Moose Jaw on August 26, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 26, 2009, 10:12:06 PM
Post by: batsquatch on August 26, 2009, 10:13:55 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 26, 2009, 10:26:26 PM
Post by: batsquatch on August 26, 2009, 10:30:13 PM
Post by: rasbo on August 27, 2009, 03:53:56 AM
Post by: bucklucky on August 27, 2009, 07:23:09 AM
I'm looking to find some non tips in Hancock or 370 + bulls in the kalpalson unit.
Moose Jaw, I think I know who you are with your email . Anyway, congrats on the tag man! I wish I had info to pass on to ya, all I know is that there are some Hogs in there , just gona have to do some work to get one, there old and smart. 370 is what I would be looking for ;)
Post by: Elkpiss on August 27, 2009, 07:26:06 AM
I saw a huge 7x7 on sunday up there. do you have the golden ticket?
Lol Moose Jaw.. Ya he has the Golden ticket.. I see he is trying to scout the easy way with woods being closed up their... :hello: Hey Cougklr, talk to some of your orting buddies that work in the tree farm and put Moose Jaw on a pig.. :) I wish i could film for you on that hunt... :'( *censored*ty rules the timber company has.. :'(!!
Post by: bucklucky on August 27, 2009, 07:36:43 AM
Post by: Elkpiss on August 27, 2009, 08:06:53 AM
Post by: littlebuf on August 27, 2009, 08:56:22 AM
Post by: joebear on August 27, 2009, 10:59:51 AM
on a better note congrats on the tag and I hope you will be able to connect on a booner.
I have done alot of reserch on this unit and you are setting your number just right at 370 plus.
good luck and cant wait to see the pics!!!
Post by: Elkpiss on August 27, 2009, 11:00:50 AM
not trying to tell ya your buisness but if i had that tag i wouldnt need to ask for bulls because id be friggin living up there, you'll never get a west side hunt like this again put in some work
:dunno: No *censored* nells you need to get your ass up their and quit fishing.. Damit.. but i think Hancock has had their woods shut down is what he last said.. I would be doing alot more home work then what he has been doing though.. :chuckle: get your ass on the hill Moose jaw!! :dunno: :llam:!! Later nells...
Post by: rasbo on August 27, 2009, 11:05:44 AM
Post by: littlebuf on August 27, 2009, 11:29:37 AM
Lillbuff you always have something smart to say dont ya!
on a better note congrats on the tag and I hope you will be able to connect on a booner.
I have done alot of reserch on this unit and you are setting your number just right at 370 plus.
good luck and cant wait to see the pics!!!
should i follow your example and start saying stupid things :dunno:
Post by: lewy on August 28, 2009, 10:25:18 AM
Post by: bucklucky on August 28, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
Post by: Dipsnort on August 28, 2009, 02:43:58 PM
Problem is a 370 bull for most guys is really only a 340-450 class bull that has been mis judged ;)I don't know that many of us would misjudge a 450 bull as a 370 bull. :chuckle:
Post by: bucklucky on August 28, 2009, 02:49:23 PM
Problem is a 370 bull for most guys is really only a 340-450 class bull that has been mis judged ;)I don't know that many of us would misjudge a 450 bull as a 370 bull. :chuckle:
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Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 28, 2009, 03:03:20 PM
Post by: Romulus on August 28, 2009, 03:55:53 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 28, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
The elk in hancock were originally from Yellowstone way back in the day.. now there mostly rocky with some rosey mixed in. They are very different than the elk further south and west of 5 :twocents:
:o where did you dream this up? there's no boundary that would keep nor warrant transplanting elk into the tree farm. are the packwood elk transplant also? they just have to walk through the park to get to the tree farm. ive got rosie sheds up on the stairs from hancock, and ive seen bulls up there that scratch there rear end with there antlers when they put there heads back. theres toads up there and yeah you need to get off the road for um. to any of the tag holders in there give me a price and i'll be happy to take that tag off your hands :hello:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 28, 2009, 04:56:23 PM
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where did you dream this up?
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http://www.nps.gov/archive/mora/ncrd/elk_study_84/elkstudy-84d.htm
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There are no elk on the flanks of Mt. Rainier. We were told of the presence of a few still to be found in the Tatoosh Range to the south, and on Goat Mountain, both close to the southern limits of the park. The question of winter range for these animals, in case they were established here, is one that would have to be carefully studied. No tract obviously suited to that purpose was noted by us. Should such exist, elk could be brought from the Olympic Forest Reserve to form the nucleus of a herd here. There are now in the Olympics 2,500 or 3,000 elk of the Cervus occidentalis, or Roosevelti, almost the sole survivors of the vast bands which once ranged the Pacific Coast. Were an attempt made to bring to Mt. Rainier individuals of the Olympic herd, it would probably be necessary, in order to accomplish their transfer without injury and to retain control of them afterwards, to hold them first segregated for several months under constant supervision and care, and thus partially domesticate them, before attempting to accomplish such removal to their new home. It is not, however, believed that the conditions are favorable for their presence here (Sampson 1908).
The confidence of Sampson's assertion that there were no elk on the flanks of the mountain does not seem justified considering how lightly traveled some of the park was in those days, but it does reflect the general opinion that elk were scarce at best.
In 1909 the Superintendent added to the customary expression of concern over illegal hunting the suggestion that "cougars and wild cats" might be hunted in the park to reduce their predation on deer. No mention was made of elk in a Superintendent's Report until 1911, when Edward Hall first suggested a transplant of Yellowstone elk:
It is believed that elk would thrive in the park, and I wish to recommend that some of these animals be transferred to this park from the Yellowstone National Park. Elk are protected by State laws in Washington (Hall 1911).
1912 is of course the year of the first transplant of elk to near Mount Rainier. After this date and subsequent early plantings it quickly becomes difficult to determine whether elk being seen were native or introduced animals. In 1912 Hall repeated his transplant proposal in identical words (Hall 1912). His successor, Ethan Allen, continued to suggest an expansion of park boundaries in 1913 and 1914 (Allen 1913; 1914), reporting in 1914 that "a small herd of elk have recently been observed in the central east portion of the park."
There were additional translates in the 1930's because all of the elk were killed during the depression for food. That batch was dropped into the eatonville area and was also from yellowstone.
Post by: littlebuf on August 28, 2009, 06:02:31 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 28, 2009, 06:11:05 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 28, 2009, 06:14:26 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 28, 2009, 06:43:15 PM
Post by: batsquatch on August 28, 2009, 06:49:02 PM
Post by: Moose Jaw on August 29, 2009, 08:44:48 AM
Post by: bobcat on August 29, 2009, 09:18:15 AM
I-5 is the line for true roosevelt's. The ones between the crest and five are cascade roosevelt's. they dont count for either rose or rock.
You're thinking of the state record book. It's not the same as Boone & Crocket. B&C does not have a separate category for "Cascade" elk. It's either a Roosevelt, or it's a Rocky Mountain elk. West of I-5 are classified as Roosevelts and east of I-5 are classified as Rocky Mountain.
Post by: Moose Jaw on August 29, 2009, 11:00:23 AM
Post by: S.O.B on August 30, 2009, 04:31:44 PM
I will bet none of the tagholders will kill even a 360 bull let alone a 370. There a couple pushing 370 in Hancock but they are not going to stand by road and let you shoot them. Out of all the tagholders they might get a couple over 350 if they get lucky. Most of the guys that draw the tags are not experienced elk hunters and just drive the roads until they see a decent bull and shoot it. They talk big but you put a nice 310 to 330 bull in front of them and lead will be in the air even if it is the first day. This year will be no different. To get one of the giants a guy would have to risk eating his tag and most of the tagholders never wait very long to shoot unless they don't know anything and cant find any bulls.
:yeah: Ive seen it happen, with someone who put more time scouting than most people put in there in a hole year.
Post by: eatonville45 on August 31, 2009, 09:30:46 PM