Post by: Bearhunter on August 27, 2009, 11:02:46 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on August 27, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 27, 2009, 11:16:19 AM
Post by: shanevg on August 27, 2009, 11:16:43 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 27, 2009, 11:57:58 AM
Post by: rezboy on August 27, 2009, 12:00:14 PM
With out a doubt Native Kill without knowing the hole story. Did he give his name and number when you measured the horns. Possibly a Indian with a DOT and not a feather.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: deaddog on August 27, 2009, 01:01:41 PM
With out a doubt Native Kill without knowing the hole story. Did he give his name and number when you measured the horns. Possibly a Indian with a DOT and not a feather.:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: teal101 on August 27, 2009, 04:11:38 PM
With out a doubt Native Kill without knowing the hole story. Did he give his name and number when you measured the horns. Possibly a Indian with a DOT and not a feather.
Optimistic :chuckle:
Post by: littlebuf on August 27, 2009, 04:48:51 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 27, 2009, 05:00:59 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on August 27, 2009, 05:06:02 PM
Post by: shanevg on August 27, 2009, 05:14:06 PM
It was a great goat, saw pics and he was every bit of 10''.
Saw the pics too, definitely a nice goat, a true trophy in anyone's book.
Post by: shanevg on August 27, 2009, 05:28:50 PM
so is there anything a indian can do that you guys wont defend? snagging fish, thats cool, massive gill nets,thats ok, slaying as many elk as you have bullets, no prob, shooting what ever moves from the truck cuz its your naive ..er native right, great. im just wondering Yak and Rez can indians really do no wrong?
Uncalled for! :bdid:
Post by: rezboy on August 27, 2009, 05:36:23 PM
so is there anything a indian can do that you guys wont defend? snagging fish, thats cool, massive gill nets,thats ok, slaying as many elk as you have bullets, no prob, shooting what ever moves from the truck cuz its your naive ..er native right, great. im just wondering Yak and Rez can indians really do no wrong?
Uncalled for! :bdid:
It's okay Shane. Don't worry about it man.
Is there a pic of the goat anywhere?
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 27, 2009, 05:38:21 PM
BC do you know the hole story I would like to know? Tribal Kill or not Just would like to know. The Yakama Tribe gives out four goat tags a year. Aug 1 I would definitely take one if I had the chance.
Post by: BC CHASER on August 27, 2009, 08:02:54 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 27, 2009, 08:13:48 PM
When you said tribal kill I got all excited but then realized you are talking about an animal!!!! >:( :mor:
:dunno:
Post by: shanevg on August 27, 2009, 09:55:33 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 27, 2009, 10:08:00 PM
Post by: batsquatch on August 27, 2009, 10:11:38 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 27, 2009, 10:19:10 PM
Post by: SHANE(WA) on August 27, 2009, 10:26:03 PM
Post by: Chukar on August 27, 2009, 10:47:20 PM
If that was something I busted my a$$ for and got it legit...I would be beaming for the paparazzi. Like Paris with no panties....Shining Smile Dude.
Must be nice to have an opportunity to take that animal like before the majority of hunters take to the hills...some with long awaited tag chances and lots of ground work clocked in....see him nabbed before September. Before September? Really? Was that with a rifle? Really?
I mean...I don't mean to say that the anger and frustration given on this board is justified...I wouldn't do that myself but..but... like Chris Rock says..."I Understand"
Hope that was put to good use from tail to horn is all I can hope. Heckuva Billy. Four Winds Big Fella.
Post by: Chukar on August 27, 2009, 10:49:33 PM
Shoot...I meant nothing by the White description...I meant Blocked Out. My Bad.
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 28, 2009, 02:01:27 AM
Post by: SHANE(WA) on August 28, 2009, 02:54:19 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on August 28, 2009, 05:49:41 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 28, 2009, 06:22:28 AM
Post by: oneezreiter on August 28, 2009, 06:38:00 AM
Post by: teal101 on August 28, 2009, 08:37:55 AM
:cryriver: :cryriver: :cryriver: :cryriver: :cryriver: I am sorry some of you will never understand. I give up. Don't you wish my ancestors would have given up that easy? Maybe your ancestors should have marched them a few more miles.
With the way the tribes rape and pillage the lands our ancestors would have been better off marching em into the ocean :rolleyes:
Congrats to the guy though. Looks like a good Goat and if he did it with one of 4 rez tags I guess its semi ok. I'm still a firm believer if indians are to use their special seasons and bag limits they should use special equipment too, a stick, some twine, another stick and a sharp rock like the ancestors :rolleyes:
Post by: deaddog on August 28, 2009, 11:00:14 AM
Post by: rezboy on August 28, 2009, 11:07:26 AM
I sure Im sick and tired about all the indian bashing around here, bunch of mealy mouthed punkass bitches, you got a problem with an indian take it up with that indian, dont walk away and then bad mouth them as a race on the freakin net, ya bitch. Im part indian and belong to the Wyandot nation, I was raised in Port Angeles and not as an Indian, but white, thinking just like everyone else, blaming local indians for everything that I felt impacted my rights and opportunitys. Well eventualy I had to grow up and see the whole picture, some times it is indians and some times it isnt. Ive seen alot of waste and greed come from white hunters and fishermen but that dont make white folks the real problem does it. Ive seen both side of this debate come together right here on this site and try to find resolution and common ground, Whites and Indians, and it seems they are still working on solutions to these issues. Some of you say the past dosnt matter anymore, lets forget the treatys, well thats about as stupied of a statement as I ever heard, would you think that America should forget its History,or honor bound commitments, ever? *censored*! Your forefathers wrote those treatys you dislike so much, not the Indians. Should those treatys be modified to account for changing times? Maybe, but they wont be changed by a few moronic whining punkass bitches making racial slurs on the internet. They will be made by MEN, both white and Indian, who care about OUR heritage as hunters, fishermen and outdoorsmen.
Holy cow! Well put Deaddog. I think that was pretty plain and simple to understand. Comments seem to be wrapped around jealousy. I have lived on the Rez my entire life and I have seen the good and the bad. Some of the best and most loyal people I have ever met are Native American. My children, wife and her family are all Native American and they are great people. Very respectful and willing to help no matter what. Some people should take the time to take that into consideration instead of the fact that they can shoot an animal with a bigger set of horns on it than they can. Pretty sad when a race of people is judged over something as superficial as that. :twocents:
With that being said.... Let the comments continue as they may. You won't get anymore argument/debate from me because I am starting to understand that it doesn't make a difference for some of you. You have to have something to bitch about no matter what. You have your opinion and that's okay. It's probably never going to change and that's okay too. Good luck to all of you in the upcoming hunting seasons. :hello:
Post by: littlebuf on August 28, 2009, 11:48:57 AM
Post by: littlebuf on August 28, 2009, 11:51:26 AM
Post by: littlebuf on August 28, 2009, 11:53:03 AM
Post by: deaddog on August 28, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
could be that folks are upset about the racially bi est rules and not the race that they are bi est towards :dunno:Could be I suppose, perhaps they should say what they mean, :dunno: Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, I dont care what race, its not even in close to the same issue. This country waged war on the Native people inhabiting the land, for the land and its wealth and they won, cool, thats the way of humanity, live with it. With all of this in the minds of our leaders of that time, they came upon the idea of a treaty, the Indians get to live on what ever piece of dirt was not in demand by the whites and the whites get every thing else, once again, cool, but they were given certain rights because of those damn old treatys. And yes some Indians break the law, break the treaty, just like white folks do and Blacks, Mex,.... Littlebuf, I have great respect for you and your opinions, you have earned that by what you have posted in the past on many topics. But if you think that anyone playing a racist card is apart of a logical, usefull debate than you realy need to rethink your thinking. The Nation I belong to, The Wyandot Nation was originaly a part of the Heron Nation of the great lakes, you may have heard of the name before, In the book, Last of the Mohicans, magwa, the bad Indian was a Wyandot. Can you imagine what it was like for a people living in that incredible moutainous part of the country, being picked up and shoved on a piece of scrubass land in Oklahoma, thats what happened, once again, cool! Now you want to bad mouth all Indians, slame them as a race for the actions of a few, and the treatys your great grandfathers wrote. I realy dont know what to say to folks who think that way, except, damn you punkass bitch, your given white folks a bad name. P.S. not you Littlebuff, respect is intact as far as Im concerned.
Post by: rezboy on August 28, 2009, 01:29:33 PM
Post by: rasbo on August 28, 2009, 01:35:18 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 28, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
Now I see how ya got the name deaddog, better than two dogs,well you know...........Good post brother...For me let the past be the past..We should all live as one In this great country.I believe if we could this would be an even greater country.Long as we split races and beliefs,and not think as one for the country,we will fall eventually
Don't worry Rasbo, I'll be there to pick you up when you fall. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Well put guys.
Post by: bear on August 28, 2009, 01:48:26 PM
Now I see how ya got the name deaddog, better than two dogs,well you know...........Good post brother...For me let the past be the past..We should all live as one In this great country.I believe if we could this would be an even greater country.Long as we split races and beliefs,and not think as one for the country,we will fall eventuallyThat's what I believe. The indians would be very respected if they didn't have the special rights. With special rights, come racism and jealousy.
Post by: littlebuf on August 28, 2009, 02:08:11 PM
Post by: deaddog on August 28, 2009, 02:29:15 PM
Post by: deaddog on August 28, 2009, 02:59:36 PM
Think about your statement for just a minute if you can scrape two brain cells together for the party, They would be very respected ( I assume you mean whites would respect them) if they didnt have the rights whites gave them, but we gave them the rights so we should treat them with racism and jealousy. Or did I misunderstand what you so firmly belive?Now I see how ya got the name deaddog, better than two dogs,well you know...........Good post brother...For me let the past be the past..We should all live as one In this great country.I believe if we could this would be an even greater country.Long as we split races and beliefs,and not think as one for the country,we will fall eventuallyThat's what I believe. The indians would be very respected if they didn't have the special rights. With special rights, come racism and jealousy.
Post by: littlebuf on August 28, 2009, 03:14:36 PM
Your right, race does not entitle anyone for squat. I dont think the Indians ever said it did, the treatys our white grandfathers wrote did! :dunno:
i know, thats the problem. but as soon as you bring it up your labeled a bigot. the argument is circular anyway so its forever going to go nowhere. to our native friends on here, to you believe you should still maintain the hunting regulations that you currently have solely considering the future of the game animals we all hunt and not based on the political baggage we all carry.
Post by: deaddog on August 28, 2009, 03:54:30 PM
Post by: shanevg on August 28, 2009, 04:00:14 PM
I belive the solution is for everyone to play by the same rules, plain and simple. We cant possibley have good game management otherwise. If you say you think the treatys are dated and need to be changed, Im not going to call you a bigot, Ill agree with you on that point. If you just want to bad mouth folks just for their heritage, well I already said it, didnt I. I think most of us that hunt with the passion we have, white or Indian would agree, it should no longer be about what I think I have coming to me or what you think you have coming to you, It needs to start being about the elk, deer, bear, all the critters that we love to hunt and most of all, having them around for our kids to hunt.
Amen!
Post by: bear on August 28, 2009, 06:32:45 PM
No need to be a *censored* dead dog. All I was saying is that special rightsbreed racism. It's a fact of life. The indians will never be totally respected by this generation of white folks because of it, no matter who gave them those rights. It's no different with any other race that recieves special treatment. I guess the only difference is that they are a sovereign nation and I do respect that, but that changes when they come off the rez. :twocents:Think about your statement for just a minute if you can scrape two brain cells together for the party, They would be very respected ( I assume you mean whites would respect them) if they didnt have the rights whites gave them, but we gave them the rights so we should treat them with racism and jealousy. Or did I misunderstand what you so firmly belive?Now I see how ya got the name deaddog, better than two dogs,well you know...........Good post brother...For me let the past be the past..We should all live as one In this great country.I believe if we could this would be an even greater country.Long as we split races and beliefs,and not think as one for the country,we will fall eventuallyThat's what I believe. The indians would be very respected if they didn't have the special rights. With special rights, come racism and jealousy.
Post by: sagerat on August 29, 2009, 04:31:46 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 29, 2009, 06:05:30 PM
Post by: sagerat on August 29, 2009, 08:41:51 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on August 29, 2009, 11:03:03 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on August 30, 2009, 05:10:43 AM
Other issues surrounding tribal venues trouble us taxpayers. Washington state taxpayers continually spend resources extinguishing fires on the reservations. Sovereign nations? Tribal venues do not carry liability insurance. Ever hear of someone suing a tribal casino for slippin on ice, or sexual harassment, or other negligence like selling explosives to children? Not that I have hear of... Do tribes pay Labor and Industries insurance for workers like all other businesses in the state are forced to pay? Tribes can place a music venue into a neighborhood, totally disregarding the normal traffic and safety enhancement/measures which normal business would have to put in place, with no penalty.
Tribal members who are arrested off the reservation are surely treated completely different than are normal Washingtonians..., is this fair? Please don't even try to defend this issue, I know it very well, and can assure you that many tribal members are basically getting a get out of jail free card many times....no prosecution, no jail, nothing. Turned over to the tribe for nothing....no prosecution on their end either...
Do tribes collect sales or over the road fuel taxes at "tribal" gas stations? Do they reimburse the state these taxes, or pocket them?
Tribes are manufacturing cigarettes in this state now, are they collecting and reimbursing the government like other business would have to?
Lets face it, Tribes in this state have every single opportunity to royally screw over the citizens of this state, and they take full advantage of it.
Sovereign Nation my ass.
Post by: bear on August 30, 2009, 07:57:24 AM
Post by: NW-GSP on August 30, 2009, 12:29:22 PM
Post by: teal101 on August 31, 2009, 08:56:54 AM
Yakndn, actually no entity may open any casino similar to the ones the tribes open, even the ones tribes open off the reservation. Do you see any non-tribal casinos that are similar, any examples other than Reno/Vegas, etc....In this state?
Other issues surrounding tribal venues trouble us taxpayers. Washington state taxpayers continually spend resources extinguishing fires on the reservations. Sovereign nations? Tribal venues do not carry liability insurance. Ever hear of someone suing a tribal casino for slippin on ice, or sexual harassment, or other negligence like selling explosives to children? Not that I have hear of... Do tribes pay Labor and Industries insurance for workers like all other businesses in the state are forced to pay? Tribes can place a music venue into a neighborhood, totally disregarding the normal traffic and safety enhancement/measures which normal business would have to put in place, with no penalty.
Tribal members who are arrested off the reservation are surely treated completely different than are normal Washingtonians..., is this fair? Please don't even try to defend this issue, I know it very well, and can assure you that many tribal members are basically getting a get out of jail free card many times....no prosecution, no jail, nothing. Turned over to the tribe for nothing....no prosecution on their end either...
Do tribes collect sales or over the road fuel taxes at "tribal" gas stations? Do they reimburse the state these taxes, or pocket them?
Tribes are manufacturing cigarettes in this state now, are they collecting and reimbursing the government like other business would have to?
Lets face it, Tribes in this state have every single opportunity to royally screw over the citizens of this state, and they take full advantage of it.
Sovereign Nation my ass.
Great post.