Post by: Hunterman on August 30, 2009, 08:26:52 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: Straight Shooter on August 30, 2009, 08:28:50 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 30, 2009, 08:33:24 PM
Post by: gasman on August 30, 2009, 08:35:33 PM
this is a good question, ive wondered the consensus on this myself. i count the eye guards as a point. am i right am i wrong? east coast a 10 point deer is a 4x4 with eye guards. i call that a 5x5 :dunno:
:yeah:
Post by: PolarBear on August 30, 2009, 08:36:08 PM
Post by: Rick on August 30, 2009, 08:37:06 PM
If I see a legal buck 30 seconds into the season,hes riding back to camp in the back of my truck.
Post by: toyman2 on August 30, 2009, 08:43:21 PM
i count them,its a legal point and any way you look at it it is a point
Post by: SkookumHntr on August 30, 2009, 09:01:53 PM
Post by: robodad on August 30, 2009, 09:04:52 PM
--You count the the points on one side not including the eyeguards. But a two point with a one inch eyeguard counts in a 3pt min area.
So if there is 3 points and an eyeguard then the eyeguard don't count ?? :dunno:
Post by: littlebuf on August 30, 2009, 09:29:45 PM
Post by: bow4elk on August 30, 2009, 09:35:12 PM
Post by: cascademountainhunter on August 30, 2009, 09:43:07 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on August 30, 2009, 09:46:27 PM
Post by: Timber on August 30, 2009, 09:48:54 PM
No matter how long they are, I don't count them, even doubles.
:yeah:
Post by: littlebuf on August 30, 2009, 09:51:21 PM
No matter how long they are, I don't count them, even doubles.
:yeah:
why?
Post by: bow4elk on August 30, 2009, 09:55:13 PM
No matter how long they are, I don't count them, even doubles.
:yeah:
why?
yeah, why? I know a guy who calls a 5 pt bull a 3 pt with double eye guards. How ridiculous can it get?! :bash:
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 30, 2009, 10:01:14 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on August 30, 2009, 10:02:34 PM
Now.. I've got a little blacktail rack with some nasty stickers that jut out from the base that don't really look like brow tines that are yet... an inch long or so. I don't count them as points.
Now.. Did I just counterdict myself?
-Steve
Post by: bobcat on August 30, 2009, 10:06:34 PM
Post by: bow4elk on August 30, 2009, 10:08:13 PM
All points longer than one inch get counted in my book. "Boon and Crocket and Pope and Young" count them.
Now.. I've got a little blacktail rack with some nasty stickers that jut out from the base that don't really look like brow tines that are yet... an inch long or so. I don't count them as points.
Now.. Did I just counterdict myself?
-Steve
If they meet the defintion of a scorable point by B&C/P&Y, then they are indeed points. I scored a 159" Non-Typical blacktail last year that had bases like a porcupine!! Very unique and many were scorable points.
Post by: 7mag. on August 30, 2009, 10:24:43 PM
Heres how i count them on mule deer if its a 4x4 with eyesguards i call it a 4x4 with eyeguards,but if i was scoring the deer i would score the eyeguards too.Whitetail a 4x4 with eyeguards is a 5x5, count eyeguards on whitetails.
+1. But, an eyeguard is a G1. Elk have brow tines, deer have eyeguards.
Post by: walt on August 30, 2009, 10:25:50 PM
Heres how i count them on mule deer if its a 4x4 with eyesguards i call it a 4x4 with eyeguards,but if i was scoring the deer i would score the eyeguards too.Whitetail a 4x4 with eyeguards is a 5x5, count eyeguards on whitetails.Me too. It's the way we've(my family and most friends) always done it. I think its old school when no one cared about a score and there weren't point restrictions, just fill the freezer. Not really sure why we count the whitetails guards. Maybe we just can't count. :chuckle:
Post by: littlebuf on August 30, 2009, 10:34:38 PM
Post by: Hunterman on August 30, 2009, 10:40:17 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: 7mag. on August 30, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
okay, me and dad got a 3x3 black tail with one eye guard, my dad is from the east coast and he refers to the deer as a 7 pointer. hows this fit in to the discussion
On the East Coast or in the south or Midwest, pretty much anywhere that the only deer is a whitetail, they count total points. In the Rocky Mountain, or Western states, we count each side seperately. Eye guards are a legal point, I call them that to paint a better picture of what I am talking about, ie, 3x3 with eyeguards, etc. I think the difference is that whitetails grow very long eyeguards, as mulies and blacktails usually do not. Often a mulie or blacktail may not even have eyeguards, but a whitetail almost always has them.
Post by: Hunterman on August 30, 2009, 10:50:38 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: EastWaViking on August 30, 2009, 10:52:31 PM
Heres how i count them on mule deer if its a 4x4 with eyesguards i call it a 4x4 with eyeguards,but if i was scoring the deer i would score the eyeguards too.Whitetail a 4x4 with eyeguards is a 5x5, count eyeguards on whitetails.
Same way here. Kind of weird when you think about it.
Post by: shoot-em-dead on August 30, 2009, 11:07:34 PM
Post by: 7mag. on August 30, 2009, 11:22:12 PM
I count everything just like every published magazine in the US. The western way is completely fubar and has no benefit. An eight point buck is just that. I don't understand the concept of changing it to a 3x3 with eyeguards. Just wasting your breath trying to embellish your story?
No, if I called it a 4x4, then it would sound bigger than it actually is. Eye guards on Mulies and blacktails are usually not very big, often not even there. That is why, I personaly, describe them as eye guards instead of just another point, even though they are a legal point, if an inch or more. Whitetails have a different pattern which results in the the eye guards often being the longest points, or at least very long. There is no right or wrong, just personal preference. You can describe it however you like, I do it this way because I believe that it paints a clearer picture of what I am trying to describe. I am not trying to embellish any thing, the opposite, in fact.
Post by: shoot-em-dead on August 30, 2009, 11:27:44 PM
Post by: 7mag. on August 30, 2009, 11:34:32 PM
I meant embellish the story by taking longer to tell it. We could all tell storys in a short or long version and either would usually entertain me. :P
As you can probably tell, my stories are usually longer than necessary.
Post by: georgia redneck on August 30, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on August 31, 2009, 04:30:56 AM
Post by: gasman on August 31, 2009, 05:19:32 AM
It makes them feel better about them selfves if they say "with eye guards" after ther number of points.
It does not make any other sence, a point, is a point, is a point.
A uddy f mine does the same thing, he argues with me over eye guards. I just tell him to grab his pump, and pump it up, cause i don't care how big his manhood is :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 31, 2009, 05:36:35 AM
Heres how i count them on mule deer if its a 4x4 with eyesguards i call it a 4x4 with eyeguards,but if i was scoring the deer i would score the eyeguards too.Whitetail a 4x4 with eyeguards is a 5x5, count eyeguards on whitetails.+1
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 31, 2009, 05:55:52 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on August 31, 2009, 06:05:42 AM
4x4 blacktail with eyeguards = 4 pt....not a ten point.
Post by: bow4elk on August 31, 2009, 07:07:43 AM
Post by: whacker1 on August 31, 2009, 07:16:33 AM
Another example - My first buck, a black tail, I will tell you is a 4 x 3, which scored as a 6 x 3 by B & C, because it had double eyeguards on the 4 point side. Again, just trying to paint a picture as part of story telling. This is also why most people ask for pictures vs. asking how long the g4 was. We want to see the actual outcome. It is not, because they don't agree with your description, but they want a better visual of the outcome.
For those that don't count eyeguards - What are you going to do when you come across a Non-Typical Mule deer that I would call a 27 x 32? My point is that we are going to tell the story as often as possible, and something like this will make a hell of a story and paint a hell of a picture.
Post by: Alchase on August 31, 2009, 07:27:05 AM
So I would be a 1x1.
Those that live in the east would call me a two armed man. Then they might add a couple of legs and "other" appendages to the count depending on who they were telling the story to.
The only opinion that really matters is the one the WDFW prints in the hunting rules and regs. :rolleyes:
Post by: Big10gauge on August 31, 2009, 07:58:58 AM
Post by: croix on August 31, 2009, 08:16:10 AM
The only time I have an issue is when I'm talking with someone new and don't know how they count. Then I end up calling it everything:
10 point, 5x5, 4x4 w/ guards, 20 divided by four carry the one.... well you get the idea.
Post by: EastWaViking on August 31, 2009, 08:42:36 AM
I've always used the western count, I believe it describes the rack better,
Well put.
Post by: Curly on August 31, 2009, 08:51:07 AM
I've always used the western count, I believe it describes the rack better, If someone tells me they shot a 10 point it doesn't describe it accurately and leaves alot to the imagination. Could be a 3 point with lots of stickers. Of course I would count the eyeguards if I wanted to shoot for legality issues, but wouldn't tell someone that I shot a 10 pt.
+1
(This discussion happens every year. Seems like the exact same discussion as last time) Western count is what should be used in this state.......afterall this is just about as far west as you can get.
Post by: Hooter on August 31, 2009, 09:04:56 AM
Post by: robodad on August 31, 2009, 09:36:51 AM
Post by: KimberRich on August 31, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
No matter how long they are, I don't count them, even doubles.
:yeah:
I agree. But if I'm in a restrictions area I would shoot a 2x2 with 1" eye guards. I would just call it a 2x2 with eyeguards.. I guess it's just what I grew up calling them. That's what my Dad called them.. and his Dad..
Post by: pat2bear on August 31, 2009, 12:52:55 PM
Post by: Curly on August 31, 2009, 01:12:49 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 31, 2009, 04:48:31 PM
I usually explain it like this, I shot a 5 point I mean 4X4 not including eye guards I mean a 10 point I mean a 4 point with eye guards I mean a 2 point with a split G2 and a split G3 with eye guards I mean a 2 point with triple eye guards I mean a buck with five points on one side and five on the other if you include the eye guards I mean 4X4 not including the brow tines I mean your average run of the mill standard basic typical basket 4 point main frame with some trash !!! :P Just to be sure not to confuse anyone !!! :chuckle:
this is the clearest explanation yet, now i get it :)
Post by: PolarBear on August 31, 2009, 05:15:30 PM
Post by: robb92 on August 31, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Post by: alecvg on August 31, 2009, 06:08:55 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on August 31, 2009, 06:21:26 PM
Damn straight I count eyeguards. I'm not into trophy hunting. I like filling my tag. If there are two legal bucks standing side by side of course I'll shoot the larger of the two (generally more antler means more meat).
If I see a legal buck 30 seconds into the season,hes riding back to camp in the back of my truck.
Hey Rick what one of these would you shoot? Rack or weight? :chuckle: In this case I would have picked rack. The drag to the gate was full of stickerbushes, nasty thick alder and no game cart or frame packs.
Post by: mazama on August 31, 2009, 06:37:04 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 31, 2009, 06:54:02 PM
do i sound cool too
Post by: LongTatLaw on September 01, 2009, 10:35:01 AM
I agree, wt's grow better G1's than mulies or BT's but to me thats all the more reason to state/count the point... to tell if they had em or not. I guess those extra 2 inches dont make much difference between a 3 pt and a 3pt with eye guards but SOME of us could really really use 2 more inches :P
I killed a 3x3 with eye guards this weekend... I called it a 4x4 when I described it to everyone here...
When all my east coast buddies saw my 8pt they were excited! When many of u commented (thats a nive 3pt...I was borderline offended...lol :P)
Ill never feel comfortable saying I killed a 5 point mulie...just doesnt give him his due to me!
Also, I really hate that to like 90% of western hunters...the 2x1 my wife missed is a 2pt just like the 2x2 (2pt) that she killed....
how is that the same??
oh well, I just change how I say it depending on the area code of the listener!
PS- on the east coast we do count everything but its reported like this.... "I shot a 17 point" ...he was a main frame 8 (4x4 = 3pt with eye guards) with a kicker off of his left g2 and a bunch of trash at the bases!
a 5pt / 7pt / 9pt with no explanation clearly means a 2x3 / 3x4 / 4x5 lol
Post by: Curly on September 01, 2009, 11:10:07 AM
Post by: croix on September 01, 2009, 11:12:57 AM
Post by: elkaholic_74 on September 01, 2009, 11:54:24 AM
Post by: Elkpiss on September 01, 2009, 12:13:57 PM
well for antler restrictions i count the eye gards but when i say somethin bout it i will say for example 3x4 with eye gards...
This is how we count um up in SW washington.. 4X4 with eye guards.. Not a 5X5.. eye guard do count as a point but when you tell a buddy what you shot you dont count it just 3X with eye guards.. Dont stretch what ya got.. :twocents:!
:hello: hows that sound skook?
Post by: Elkpiss on September 01, 2009, 12:16:46 PM
Growing up in Montana we counted eyeguards on elk and whitetails but not muleys so I dont count them on Blacktail either, however I suppose if the gamewarden counts them so should I!!!! :dunno: :chuckle:
We count all points when it comes to a bull.. even though the bottom 2 are the eye guards but when you get a pig 6X6 you better say i just shot a big ass 6X6 bull not a 4 point with double eye guards.. when it comes to Bulls and your talking to a buddy stretch it.. :twocents:!! :chuckle:
Post by: robodad on September 01, 2009, 12:19:21 PM
Post by: DRDANTDC on September 01, 2009, 02:12:40 PM
this is a good question, ive wondered the consensus on this myself. i count the eye guards as a point. am i right am i wrong? east coast a 10 point deer is a 4x4 with eye guards. i call that a 5x5 :dunno:
I call it a 4x4 with eye gaurds. So does everyone I hunt with. I count the eye gaurds as legal points, but if I am describing the buck to someone I call them what they are...eye guards.
Post by: LongTatLaw on September 01, 2009, 03:35:52 PM
again...I never heard the term eye guards in the 16 or so states i hunted before WA???
call em what they are.... brow tines.... :chuckle: :P ;)
Post by: bow4elk on September 01, 2009, 03:52:49 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on September 01, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
if i shoot a 4 point, that means it has 4 points plus maybe eye guards. i just dont count them, thats the way it is everyone else is :rolleyes:
Post by: billythekidrock on September 01, 2009, 09:00:34 PM
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Post by: robodad on September 01, 2009, 09:03:42 PM
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Here are a couple of local 3 over 2's..... :chuckle:
Dude, I'll never hear your story if you give me a bunch of math problems to work out while I'm trying to listen to you !!! :dunno:
Post by: Alan K on September 01, 2009, 10:46:57 PM
I call it a 4x4 with eye gaurds. So does everyone I hunt with. I count the eye gaurds as legal points, but if I am describing the buck to someone I call them what they are...eye guards.
:yeah:
Post by: Big Bucks Tim on September 02, 2009, 03:18:26 PM