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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Big Bucks Tim on September 02, 2009, 03:26:58 PM

Title: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: Big Bucks Tim on September 02, 2009, 03:26:58 PM: So I work out at Rainier School in Buckley, and behind the campus is a large field that a local farmer uses for growing feeder corn. The state owns the land and has it posted "NO HUNTING NO TRESPASSING". I know this because I was there when they hung the signs. This year there is a huge 5X5 and a nice little 3X3 out there running cows. Every year there are idiots that go out there and hunt walking right past the clearly posted signs. :bdid: Last year while I was at work we reported to the DFW that people were hunting back there. The game wardon came out and wrote a couple tickets, but in no way did this slow anyone else from going in there. I'm kind of glad that nobody took anything from there but damn, how can people be so stupid? Sorry if I am going a little long I just had to vent!! :bash:
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: colockumelk on September 02, 2009, 03:32:46 PM: No big deal. The WDFW and their "fines" are a joke. In order for a penalty or punishment to be effective it has to be heavy or harsh enough to dissuade people from their intended actions. As of now the penalties are far to slight to match the crimes. If the WDFW wants to get serious about stopping poaching, and property/road violations they need to increase the penalties. Until then this stuff will happen all the time.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: WDFW-SUX on September 02, 2009, 03:33:57 PM: There are alot of guys that dont consider it hunting season unless they get a ticket for trespassing.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: LongTatLaw on September 02, 2009, 03:40:28 PM: Well...Id hate to agree or disagree but Id probably be willing to risk a 50$ ticket for a excellent chance at a 5x5

not saying its right...just saying the fines gotta make it not worth it to most people!!
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: Big Bucks Tim on September 02, 2009, 03:54:04 PM: Quote from: LongTatLaw on September 02, 2009, 03:40:28 PM
Well...Id hate to agree or disagree but Id probably be willing to risk a 50$ ticket for a excellent chance at a 5x5

not saying its right...just saying the fines gotta make it not worth it to most people!!
Thats just it! Most of us would see a sign that says no hunting and hunt somewhere else. So you get a few jerks that go out and ruin it. I remember a few years back some guy shot a big bull out on the Buckley straits and got arrested. I guess you have to kill something to actually get in trouble. Pretty *censored*ty if you ask me!!
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: colockumelk on September 02, 2009, 04:02:47 PM: Just look at all the "closed roads" around the Yakima/Ellensburg area. THere are ATV tracks all over them. Why because the fine is so pathetic that who cares if you get caught. THerefore guys do it. Now lets say the penalty jumped up to you lost your ATV I guarantee you you'd see alot less tracks up there.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: WDFW-SUX on September 02, 2009, 04:04:09 PM: Quote
Well...Id hate to agree or disagree but Id probably be willing to risk a 50$ ticket for a excellent chance at a 5x5

Bingo.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: Old Mule on September 02, 2009, 10:39:02 PM: No I work their, I have the Keys and I'm authorized to go in, Who are you and who gave you the right to post Public Property? Allot of the Guys that hunted had permission from WSU to be there , when the DSHS took back over anti hunting administration had it Posted because of people like you falsifying reports and telling down right Lies. them 80 year Old Guys sitting down on the river bed with muzzleloaders weren't hurting No one, and in no way is it endangering anybody or anything, Now if you Work there you Know who I am, Ive been off for a couple of weeks for Heart Surgery and will be back in 4, You come down to the WWTP or the Water Plant and we can discuss it further, Who are you again? I still believe that State Land is the property of the citizens, Not the property of the State. Shame on you.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: M_ray on September 02, 2009, 11:46:03 PM: I have hunted it back in the day before it had no trespassing signs, I had permission from the WSU guys and the only thing about it was we werent allowed to hunt the field but that is the olny way to get into the river bottom. Now its been huntable like this for many many years and now that there are signs. You may still have those that believe because they have hunted it for twenty plus years that they still have the right. Oh and miles I believe Huntnphool and Slider have the Popcorn smiley you are looing for! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on September 04, 2009, 10:12:02 AM: Well nothing to say other than I want to watch this post
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: saylean on September 04, 2009, 10:22:34 AM: how much is a 'closed road' ticket?

by the way, i dont have an atv, or motor bike, I was just curious what they are geting slapped with.

Also, does anyone have the wardens number for the ellensburg area? I will be making some calls if I see anyone on closed roads this elk season.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: Machias on September 04, 2009, 10:30:56 AM: Quote from: saylean on September 04, 2009, 10:22:34 AM
how much is a 'closed road' ticket?

by the way, i dont have an atv, or motor bike, I was just curious what they are geting slapped with.

Also, does anyone have the wardens number for the ellensburg area? I will be making some calls if I see anyone on closed roads this elk season.

Better get that cell phone battery fully charged, you'll be doing alot of calling and I don't mean to the elk. :(
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: saylean on September 04, 2009, 10:32:52 AM: Oh I know....plus there is only one or two spots I get service there...jokes on them anyway...
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: bobcat on September 04, 2009, 11:03:20 AM: Quote from: saylean on September 04, 2009, 10:22:34 AM
how much is a 'closed road' ticket?

by the way, i dont have an atv, or motor bike, I was just curious what they are geting slapped with.

Also, does anyone have the wardens number for the ellensburg area? I will be making some calls if I see anyone on closed roads this elk season.

On National Forest lands, the signs I've seen posted by the USFS say "No Motorized Vehicles - $100 Fine"
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: pat2bear on September 04, 2009, 11:38:38 AM: Quote from: bobcat on September 04, 2009, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: saylean on September 04, 2009, 10:22:34 AM
how much is a 'closed road' ticket?

by the way, i dont have an atv, or motor bike, I was just curious what they are geting slapped with.

Also, does anyone have the wardens number for the ellensburg area? I will be making some calls if I see anyone on closed roads this elk season.

On National Forest lands, the signs I've seen posted by the USFS say "No Motorized Vehicles - $100 Fine"

Yep. 100 bucks. I got one about 3 or 4 years ago for parking about 20' past a "no unauthorized vehicles beyond this point" sign at Tim's ponds by the feeding station. :DOH: Its also a mandatory court appearance. As far as the trespassing ticket, $50 sounds really low. I talked to a guy one time while I was hunting in Goldendale who got one and he told me it was about $500 if I remember right. Maybe different counties different fines. :dunno:
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: M_ray on September 04, 2009, 05:45:06 PM: Quote
how much is a 'closed road' ticket?

Saylean it's not a closed road it is trespassing to get across the field into the open area ... in the past people didn't hunt the field out of respect for having the privilege to hunt it but i think that people have ruined that now of coarse!
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: 383man on September 13, 2009, 04:24:25 AM: hahaha, nice, let the fight begin lol, it's one thing for people to turn in people for trespassing on private land, but to turn someone in for trespassing on state land, and from the sounds of it folks who have been hunting that area for years, not as justified really, just my :twocents: though. maybe my ethics are cloudy :dunno:
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: woodswalker on September 13, 2009, 10:06:11 AM: Quote from: colockumelk on September 02, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
Just look at all the "closed roads" around the Yakima/Ellensburg area. THere are ATV tracks all over them. Why because the fine is so pathetic that who cares if you get caught. THerefore guys do it. Now lets say the penalty jumped up to you lost your ATV I guarantee you you'd see alot less tracks up there.

I WISH!!!!! I've had Elk, Turkey and Deer all blown by idiots on ATVs. :bash: >:( :bash: >:(

If there was an open season on ATVs....I'd bag one for sure. :mgun2: :4w:
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: blindpig on September 13, 2009, 10:13:04 AM: must be worth the fine.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: runningboard on September 13, 2009, 10:35:08 AM: Quote
Just look at all the "closed roads" around the Yakima/Ellensburg area. THere are ATV tracks all over them. Why because the fine is so pathetic that who cares if you get caught. THerefore guys do it. Now lets say the penalty jumped up to you lost your ATV I guarantee you you'd see alot less tracks up there.
I had this happen this past week in GMU 113. walked in behind posted, locked, gates to get to an area known to hold elk and what did I find? ATV tracks everywhere! enough to piss nearly anyone off.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: KillBilly on September 13, 2009, 01:09:46 PM: Quote from: LongTatLaw on September 02, 2009, 03:40:28 PM
Well...Id hate to agree or disagree but Id probably be willing to risk a 50$ ticket for a excellent chance at a 5x5

not saying its right...just saying the fines gotta make it not worth it to most people!!

Dave that is just what folks used to do. It was only a $50.00 to $75.00 fine to shoot an Elk in the Olympic National Park. Folks used to do it all the time because it was worth it. Now that the penalties are much much stiffer, it usually doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: Wyoming08 on September 13, 2009, 09:01:39 PM: Quote from: woodswalker on September 13, 2009, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: colockumelk on September 02, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
Just look at all the "closed roads" around the Yakima/Ellensburg area. THere are ATV tracks all over them. Why because the fine is so pathetic that who cares if you get caught. THerefore guys do it. Now lets say the penalty jumped up to you lost your ATV I guarantee you you'd see alot less tracks up there.

I WISH!!!!! I've had Elk, Turkey and Deer all blown by idiots on ATVs. :bash: >:( :bash: >:(

If there was an open season on ATVs....I'd bag one for sure. :mgun2: :4w:
Just do what we used to in Utah...atv's don't go far with flat tires, I'm just saying... you know pretty soon those atv's stop and the riders go for a walk, thats when the season starts for atv's and there is no limit.
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: mtn.goat on September 13, 2009, 11:32:27 PM: A couple of interesting points here so far. I too am very familiar with the state school area. I always obeyed the signs after they were put up, all the while wondering how they post state land as no hunting/ tresspassing??? I can see no modern hunting and/ or possibly muzzies too, with many houses in close proximity to the open field area. :bdid: But not beyond.

We used to watch the big bulls lay their racks back in the tall grass while they were bedded as the trucks would approach out on the road. You could just see their black noses and chins sticking up and the trucks would move on and up would come the hat racks! :drool:

Anyhow, I too agree that posting land that is outside the city limits for what sounds like political reasons is b.s. State land is open and certainly should be able to be used to get to the river or open land beyond. Funny too that a good friend and I were just talking about all the pickups left there every morning since archery elk opened as well as, why are those dudes tresspassing and why doesn't the warden ticket them? Makes a little more sense now, how do they write a citation for tresspassing on state land, signed or not? :twocents:
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: G.R.K on September 14, 2009, 10:57:23 PM: It really doesn't matter any more Ted DeVol is trying to lease the land and turn it 5/8 mile dirt bike track. >:(
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: mtn.goat on September 15, 2009, 12:05:30 AM: Just what everyone needs. More two-stroke noise. :yike: I've been hearing about that too. Funny all the trucks disappeard the last few days? :dunno:
Title: Re: Talk about a shame!!
Post by: colockumelk on September 15, 2009, 12:09:27 PM: Quote from: Wyoming08 on September 13, 2009, 09:01:39 PM
Quote from: woodswalker on September 13, 2009, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: colockumelk on September 02, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
Just look at all the "closed roads" around the Yakima/Ellensburg area. THere are ATV tracks all over them. Why because the fine is so pathetic that who cares if you get caught. THerefore guys do it. Now lets say the penalty jumped up to you lost your ATV I guarantee you you'd see alot less tracks up there.

I WISH!!!!! I've had Elk, Turkey and Deer all blown by idiots on ATVs. :bash: >:( :bash: >:(

If there was an open season on ATVs....I'd bag one for sure. :mgun2: :4w:
Just do what we used to in Utah...atv's don't go far with flat tires, I'm just saying... you know pretty soon those atv's stop and the riders go for a walk, thats when the season starts for atv's and there is no limit.

That's a good idea. But if you drain the oil out they may drive a little further at first but when the engine seizes..... :chuckle: