Post by: strutnrut1984 on September 02, 2009, 04:57:08 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on September 02, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
hit wilderness thats what i do, but then you get those damn drop camps of yahoos :bash:. i guess either way your screwed :chuckle:
Post by: jstone on September 02, 2009, 05:02:23 PM
Post by: saylean on September 02, 2009, 06:24:35 PM
some peoples kids.
Post by: Armadillo on September 02, 2009, 06:28:16 PM
Post by: bow4elk on September 02, 2009, 06:42:42 PM
I have a special affinity for the full-tilt Bozos with camo helmets and every quad attachment on earth. Ride...stop....bugle....ride....stop....bugle...makes me :puke:
Quads and ATVs are a tool that can be useful at times BUT most of the dopes I see are behind gates and/or in wilderness areas. I'm only one guy and I see far too many where they shouldn't be.
One year in New Mexico I had some dipweed trying to ride up a dry creekbed miles from any road. I was working a bull and heard him clanking around trying to get over boulders half the size of his quad. The creekbed only got steeper and narrower in the direction he was trying to go. What a tool. Full camo, bow strapped to the front rack.
LEAVE THEM IN CAMP OR STICK TO THE OPEN ROADS!
p.s. All you quad guys - before you flame me about what I see in the woods, start policing your own ranks.
Post by: PolarBear on September 02, 2009, 06:56:01 PM
Man, don't get me started!!!:yeah:
I have a special affinity for the full-tilt Bozos with camo helmets and every quad attachment on earth. Ride...stop....bugle....ride....stop....bugle...makes me :puke:
Quads and ATVs are a tool that can be useful at times BUT most of the dopes I see are behind gates and/or in wilderness areas. I'm only one guy and I see far too many where they shouldn't be.
One year in New Mexico I had some dipweed trying to ride up a dry creekbed miles from any road. I was working a bull and heard him clanking around trying to get over boulders half the size of his quad. The creekbed only got steeper and narrower in the direction he was trying to go. What a tool. Full camo, bow strapped to the front rack.
LEAVE THEM IN CAMP OR STICK TO THE OPEN ROADS!
p.s. All you quad guys - before you flame me about what I see in the woods, start policing your own ranks.
Post by: Huntbear on September 02, 2009, 07:03:38 PM
Do your best to get away from the roads, and the road hunters, and here come the bikes... :bash: :bash: :bash:
Told the Forest Service Law Enforcement guy about it, and he shrugged his shoulders, says, well, I can only do so much... so basically, you can do as you damn well please, and nothing will happen to you.
Hell, there were people this last weekend with huge campfires, like it had been raining for a week or something.
Post by: bow4elk on September 02, 2009, 07:06:35 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 02, 2009, 07:11:58 PM
By the way, I just sold my 4 wheeler last week. Needed the money more than I needed the ATV. $2100 will buy a lot of gas for my pickup.
Post by: bow4elk on September 02, 2009, 07:14:14 PM
In some areas, ATV's are allowed behind the gates. So just be aware of that. Not all of them behind gates are violating the law.
News to me...where? Maybe later in the fall but not during early bow season that I'm aware of. :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on September 02, 2009, 07:31:29 PM
PM sent.
Post by: actionshooter on September 02, 2009, 08:18:12 PM
Post by: cabin308 on September 02, 2009, 08:35:22 PM
Post by: Ray on September 02, 2009, 10:26:49 PM
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hit wilderness thats what i do
Best bet.
Post by: jstone on September 03, 2009, 09:28:24 AM
Post by: GoldTip on September 03, 2009, 09:47:45 AM
In Idaho all Potlatch timber land is open to vehicles less than 48" wide, so make sure you read the signs before you go flattening a tire behind a locked gate that you walked in on. First he may be there legally, second what the hell you gonna do if the guy is truly disabled and can't walk out the 5 miles he's in behind a gate illegally and you flatten his tire? You may have just signed his death warrant, for what?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 03, 2009, 10:06:57 AM
I use my dual purpose motorcycle a lot for scouting an area or just to get to an area that I want to hunt/hike during season. Saves wear and tear on my truck. But I keep it to the roads and not behind gates. Also, not at 50mph! It's spark arrestor is still in place.
I know where Strutnrut was yesterday, and what's getting to be worse in that area than the ATV's is the mountain bikers blazing trails through the woods.
-Steve
Post by: GoldTip on September 03, 2009, 02:00:59 PM
I wasn't insinuating that there is a "disabled" atv permit for closed area's. What I was saying is quite simply to someone who insinuated that they might flatten a tire as these people don't carry a spare, is "what if", even illegally the person whose tire you flatten is someone who is disabled and because you've flattened there tire, they can now not leave. That was the point I was trying to make. I am all for taking pictures of the license or resgitration or ORV tag, have it time dated and stamped, but if you vandalize the vehicle, then you are no better than the person who rode around the gate.
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on September 03, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
Like said I would not be somewhere where I am not supposed to be.
The problem now is some people even where they are allowed to be are doing stuff to the bike or quad because I guess they either don't know the rules or can't afford one :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: saylean on September 03, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
I personally have no issue whatsoever with anyone who uses motor bikes, trucks, quads, tanks, etc, where legal :chuckle:
Its the "hey I can just drive around the gate, or I know someone with a key" folks who make me want to :pee: in a gas tank.
I am willing to bet, most of those fools arent on this site too often anyway, as we seem to have a fairly decent bunch on here.
Post by: bow4elk on September 03, 2009, 02:33:17 PM
Post by: strutnrut1984 on September 03, 2009, 03:58:27 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 03, 2009, 05:02:24 PM
That being said, we don't ride them anywhere your not supposed to. If its gated, barricaded, posted etc. We don't go down it. I use it to get closer to an area I want to hunt, but will park it, and hike the rest of the way. If we see someone in the distance, we will stop and not go any further down the road etc. I have had someone on a 3-wheeler (remember those?) drive right past me while Elk hunting. I don't think he even saw me. It just takes respect. If I had my way, I would hike everywhere, but anything over a mile, I wont be doing so well. :twocents:
Post by: seth30 on September 03, 2009, 05:24:32 PM
Post by: DeKuma on September 03, 2009, 05:29:22 PM
Post by: PolarBear on September 03, 2009, 05:51:14 PM
I don't have a problem (well, a little) with them if they stay on the roads but if I catch them where they are not legal, watch out. I'll probably get shot over it someday. Leave the quads for the disabled and elderly, otherwise get off of your sorry ass and hike!!!!
Post by: Rufous on September 03, 2009, 08:42:38 PM
Post by: duckkiller on September 04, 2009, 07:27:29 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 04, 2009, 07:48:41 AM
Duck.....I wouldn't consider myself a tree hugger, but thanks for your input.
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on September 04, 2009, 07:53:26 AM
WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS A TREE HUGGERS MESSAGE BOARD.
How the heck is using a quad the proper and legal way discussion or illegal even referred to as a tree hugger message board???
Only tree hugging I do is when I am hugging a sampling to give me a better rest.....
Post by: runamuk on September 04, 2009, 07:57:13 AM
WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS A TREE HUGGERS MESSAGE BOARD.
Many of us eat granola as well ;)
I know don't feed the trolls but it just had to be said :chuckle:
If you want to roadhunt please stick to the roads it is that simple if it says trail closed to motorized vehicles and you are not authorized to be there then either get off your quad and walk or go hunt where you can drive legally. I must admit I always found the fully camo head to toe with makeup and a bow driving a loud quad or motorcycle to be about as contradictory as can be.
On the other hand if you choose to hunt near legal quad and dirtbike trails on labor day weekend you made a poor choice.....so suck it up.
Post by: Intruder on September 04, 2009, 08:03:39 AM
Post by: duckkiller on September 04, 2009, 12:38:10 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on September 04, 2009, 01:33:24 PM
Post by: PolarBear on September 05, 2009, 07:00:27 AM
Did you guys work on the Obama campaign. We should all drive smart cars or hangout at hemp fest. Stop whinning about others who enjoy the great outdoors, to each his own, if you dont like it hike further away and find low populated areas. You can always find spots with nobody around, do your homework this state has lots of wilderness inaccessable to motorized vehicles. Messing with other peoples property when they are nowhere around sounds like a coward punk move to me, no better than your average thug breaking into cars and homes, most of these guys are blue collar working hard for every dollar they have. You give hunters a bad name.So, basically you are defending illegal activity just because you may be a "hard working, blue collar guy"? Asinine! If you (and it sounds from your statement that would apply to you) are doing something illegal (such as being several miles in on a horse or foot traffic only trail) others should turn a blind eye and allow you to break the law and, more than likely, poach? I don't care who the f- you are or think you are, if you are breaking the law you deserve any wrath that a law abiding citizen is able to inflict on you (to a certain degree). Comparing hiding a quad and letting the air out of the tires with 0 damage to it to breaking and entering or theft is just plain stupid! It is slob hunters with your attitude who give hunters a bad name not those of us who play strictly by the rules and do not find any excuse to bend the law in our favor!
Post by: boneaddict on September 05, 2009, 07:05:29 AM
Post by: kopfjaeger on September 05, 2009, 07:41:11 AM
Post by: norsepeak on September 05, 2009, 09:36:25 AM
Post by: bow4elk on September 05, 2009, 09:43:37 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on September 05, 2009, 09:44:48 AM
I don't know how many time we have to cover this....quads are legal anywhere they want to go OFFROAD on national forest land. Call your local ranger district and ask, they will say the same. If you don't like quads and are bothered by people riding them then go into the millions of acres of wilderness. You guys talk about quad riders being lazy, but you guys are too lazy to hike into the wilderness to get away from them. So either deal with them or go into the wilderness. I've had quads ride into areas that I've been hunting before too, but that's just part of the game when you hunt on PUBLIC land where motorized use is legal. I understand that it's irritating when they break the rules, but you can't tell me that all of you quad haters always follow all the rules either. I see and read lots of storys and pictures of folks poaching, littering etc without the use of quads so make sure you point the finger at everyone who needs it not just one group. Keep in mind too that when you drive your big fancy diesel truck up into the woods and park and walk way back in and then find a quad and vandalize it, (and yes even letting the air out of the tires is vandalization under the law), that the quad rider may "repay" you. And trust me your truck tires are A LOT more exspensive than quad tires. It's not the right way to handle the situation and you guys know it, it makes you no better than the illegal quad rider. Stop your whining, quads and quad riders are not going to go away, they are the biggest motorsports user ground in the country, either get over it and go hunt or stay home. One last thing for you quad haters, next year under the national travel management plan, the forest service is required to open up roughly 30% of there road systems for "multiple use" which includes quads. just my :twocents:
good post. i wouldnt ever mess with some ones stuff, im not that type of person that thinks its ok to take the law into my own hands. letting air outa the tires does cause damage cause how is the guy supposed to get his quad out on flat tires without damage? you reep what you sow
Post by: boneaddict on September 05, 2009, 09:46:25 AM
Post by: Alan K on September 05, 2009, 10:26:18 AM
I love the terrain, the animals, the weather, basically everything about Idaho, except everyone rides the god damn quads around because they're too lazy to be hunting this type of ground. I've been sitting in my stand 4 of the last 5 evenings, and didn't hear a thing the first 3 nights. Low and behold, Friday of Labor Day weekend comes around and all I can hear is quads all over the mountain.
Shoot, I was watching a doe out in the clearcut above me from my stand about a half hour before dark. (The stand is on a bench below the clearcut just inside the timber on a major game trail). . . I can hear the quads, sounded like two of them, getting closer, and the doe looked in that direction for a while and turned and went back in the timber. I got on google earth this morning and measured how far away they were. . . About 2/3 mile across the canyon, and they pushed the animal in.
Moral of he story isn't that they screwed up my hunt, as I wasn't planning to take the doe if she came by, but that these retarded quad hunters don't realize what they're doing to the patterns of nice bucks that may still be coming out in the daylight this time of year. I don't understand why you'd hunt off a quad during archery season anyways, as there's no way in hell you'll get into bow range of something. Maybe I can see it during rifle season when they can just jump off and start blazing at something running at 500 yards. . .
What reaaaally pisses me off about them is that this is national forest ground, and the gates are open until October 1. . . All these roads are easily driveable with a pickup. The pickup is 10x quieter, why bomb around on something so loud screwing up both your own hunt and the hunt of anyone else in the area?
Wow, sorry for the venting, buuuuuut I hate quads, motorcycles etc. if you can't tell....
Post by: norsepeak on September 05, 2009, 01:38:33 PM
Post by: PolarBear on September 05, 2009, 04:29:04 PM
Post by: hornhunter on September 06, 2009, 11:57:47 PM
P.S. If you leave your quad and your not supposed to be there your tires might end up flat :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on September 07, 2009, 12:12:00 AM
Post by: hornhunter on September 07, 2009, 06:26:58 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on September 07, 2009, 07:30:21 PM
Bobcat there were signs everywhere! Also NO Target Shooting signs everywhere. There was some target shooting going on as well.
Someone hiked in 3 miles to target shoot? Or rode their quads in to target shoot? Probably an easier way in you don't know about.
Post by: Gutpile on September 07, 2009, 07:41:51 PM
Post by: rooselk on September 07, 2009, 08:10:34 PM
Did you guys work on the Obama campaign. We should all drive smart cars or hangout at hemp fest. Stop whinning about others who enjoy the great outdoors, to each his own, if you dont like it hike further away and find low populated areas. You can always find spots with nobody around, do your homework this state has lots of wilderness inaccessable to motorized vehicles. Messing with other peoples property when they are nowhere around sounds like a coward punk move to me, no better than your average thug breaking into cars and homes, most of these guys are blue collar working hard for every dollar they have. You give hunters a bad name.
The problem is that too many quad owners spoil it for those us who are also trying to enjoy the outdoors. Besides, it's not exactly a granola vs hunter issue given that many hunter organizations have spoken loudly against ATV abuse.
Post by: hornhunter on September 07, 2009, 10:59:18 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 08, 2009, 08:09:28 AM
enforcement down here uses quads all the time, and they may use them where normal folks can't, even DNR guys. It would be interesting if they caught you doing a back country tune-up, which I don't condone by the way, to one of their vehicles.
If you are in an area this happens alot, report it...suggest a hidden camera. They nailed illegal shed hunters down here this year with them. Got the quad on film withthe guy riding it in an illegal area shed hunting where he shouldn't be at oak creek. I bet that cost some money. May have even lost his ride.
Post by: Lowedog on September 08, 2009, 08:34:47 AM
-Lowedog
Post by: gasman on September 08, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
I don't run my quad in areas i am not allowed.
Post by: denali on September 08, 2009, 10:08:28 AM
Post by: Gobble on September 08, 2009, 10:31:58 AM
I have no problem with quads in general (I don't have any BTW), but once you get to your spot get the hell off of them and hunt.
Post by: C-Money on September 08, 2009, 10:42:22 AM
Post by: deaddog on September 08, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Post by: duckkiller on September 08, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
Post by: runamuk on September 08, 2009, 04:54:20 PM
I went hunting with my dad in Cle Elum sat and we had just watched 5 deer (with 2 bucks) about 1/2 mi in from the road and decided to pass on the larger 3 pt and we hear WHaAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAA about 100 yrds away, some *censored*es on quads went storming thru the woods and ruined the hunt. >:( >:(
I have no problem with quads in general (I don't have any BTW), but once you get to your spot get the hell off of them and hunt.
There is a ton of ORV area around cle elum and ellensburg. We always went dirt biking labor day weekend in Taneum... why because it is open to the bikes and quads and we also always saw plenty of elk. Many times we would see and chat with archery hunters and they rarely took issue with the fact that we were using the trail system that allowed motorized vehicles. Again it always cracked me up the guys in full camo going full out on quads seemed kinda to defeat the purpose of being invisible when you are that loud...but to each his own..... as long as you aren't behind gates and on trails that say CLOSED to Motorized Vehicles...then you are just being a jerk.
Post by: coasty on September 08, 2009, 05:20:29 PM
Post by: seth30 on September 09, 2009, 11:42:49 AM