Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 07, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
So i get a ticket for unlawful attempt to excede limit-to continue to fish after fish was retained. 162 bucks to Mason county. i didn't retain a fish.Well i guess i am just going to pay it. I really don't think i am guilty of trying to excede the limit but oh well. I think that is a stupid rule and i know the game warden was just doing his job but it is a stupid rule...
I figured that the 8 hours off and the fuel to get up there would excede the cost of the ticket.
So not i am a lawbreaker...
Post by: robodad on September 07, 2009, 09:26:01 PM
Good luck but fight it !!
Post by: dontgetcrabs on September 07, 2009, 09:28:25 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 07, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on September 07, 2009, 09:40:57 PM
takes a real *censored* warden to pull something like that, especially when there was almost certainly someone breaking the law within a stone's throw of you down there.
Post by: NW-GSP on September 07, 2009, 10:36:10 PM
Post by: Luke9686 on September 07, 2009, 10:59:48 PM
Post by: G.R.K on September 07, 2009, 11:05:59 PM
You should have been locked up! :chuckle: Sorry to hear that, seems like there is no common sense in the world anymore.
It's all on how you look at it. :dunno: the laws are what they are. :'(
Post by: ICEMAN on September 08, 2009, 05:06:35 AM
All I have to say is WOW. I love and respect all L.E. officers, but sometimes it seems like they need to use some discretion. I would have had a few choice words for that officer, respectfully.
:yeah:
Post by: Antlershed on September 08, 2009, 06:12:47 AM
You can beat it easily, just bring up the fact that if you were in a boat that all of you would still be fishin till the "Boat Limit" is retained !! Your right it is a stupid rule and it should have an exception for youth in it !!!I don't believe that would be a valid argument. I'm pretty sure "party fishing" is only legal out in the salt.
Good luck but fight it !!
Post by: boneaddict on September 08, 2009, 06:21:42 AM
The fact you weren't snagging, the fact it was for youth, the fact you didn't try to exceed your limit. The fact you didn't notch a fish and quite when they wre done, the fact the tribal guys probably had boatloads of them nearby, all should have went to some lineancy I would think. OUCH
Post by: runamuk on September 08, 2009, 06:31:02 AM
WOW, never would have crossed my mind either. I guess we catch and realease mostly, so maybe that has what has kept me out of the "clink". I'm glad he was respectful to you and the boys. That showed some class. That ticket sucks.
The fact you weren't snagging, the fact it was for youth, the fact you didn't try to exceed your limit. The fact you didn't notch a fish and quite when they wre done, the fact the tribal guys probably had boatloads of them nearby, all should have went to some lineancy I would think. OUCH
:yeah:
unbelievable
Post by: GoldTip on September 08, 2009, 06:34:00 AM
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Post by: yelp on September 08, 2009, 07:13:25 AM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on September 08, 2009, 07:21:22 AM
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Post by: MuleySniper on September 08, 2009, 08:21:15 AM
MS
Post by: zackmioli on September 08, 2009, 08:22:23 AM
Post by: Dustin07 on September 08, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
Mason County has a bad reputation for wdfw. I'm not sure if it's worth fighting for THIS ticket, but I think generally speaking its worth bringing up that this ISSUE in particular is a BS law.
it is worth writing a letter to the WDFW office. IMO-
Post by: Wenatcheejay on September 08, 2009, 08:34:18 AM
Post by: swanny on September 08, 2009, 09:35:23 AM
Seems like they should be enforcing catch limit's or daily limit's in my mind. Don't these apply to the rivers? I have seen guys counting and catching 30+ fish in an outing and no tickets issued. Or do I interpret this rule incorrectly?
Post by: Gamie on September 08, 2009, 09:41:56 AM
You should go to court if it happened just exactly the way you described it here. It would be the best thing to help resolve the strong feelings of innocence you obviously have, and your kids would know that justice was served in the end. Their perceptions are more important than you realize at this young age. Otherwise you'll harbor those ill feelings and always wish you had gone to court. And folks here would never get to see how these kinds of stories eventually turn out. It doesn't do any good to say the game warden was wrong, and I should have gone to court later when it's too late.
That way to, the game warden could tell his version of what happened, and you could relay what he tells the court in his explanation of what happened back to the board so we could all better understand the reason for his actions. There are always two sides to a story. You’re innocent until proven guilty. Let the judge decide.
Just my suggestion,
Post by: kbyers on September 08, 2009, 09:51:20 AM
Post by: Rob on September 08, 2009, 09:52:02 AM
I respect our LE folks and generally support what they do. It is a tough thankless job. But this is silliness.
I would fight this to my dying day. I would hire a lawyer if need be. If I were a lawyer I would represent you for free!
Having not read the laws specifically I may be wrong, but I am assuming this falls into the grey area of catching and landing a fish. I hear of folks hooking large fish that entail a 30 to 60 min fight handing the fish off to another person to fight for a while. Is that also illegal in WA? What about dowriggers setting the hook?
The consequences to this are more than just an irritating fine. If you ever decide to go for a master hunter or some similar program in the future, you could end up being culled from the program do to this infraction. I would not want it on my record.
Post by: bowtech721 on September 08, 2009, 09:58:19 AM
i know that my dad would have gotten more than a few tickets over the years if this had been enforced around us. when i was a little kid he'd even hand off steelhead without a second thought.:yeah:
Post by: Hunterman on September 08, 2009, 10:18:08 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: Dustin07 on September 08, 2009, 10:21:51 AM
Just out of curiosity, what RCW was cited on the citation?
actually, I'd like to see this too.
Post by: boneaddict on September 08, 2009, 10:26:36 AM
Post by: C-Money on September 08, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
Post by: road.kill on September 08, 2009, 10:46:02 AM
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on September 08, 2009, 10:48:05 AM
Post by: Dustin07 on September 08, 2009, 10:50:52 AM
I would like to say this is a BS ticket. I think any sportsmen would hand a pole to a kid to catch a fish. This game cop is got to have better things to do than bother a Dad with his kids out fishing in this case. If he wants to write a ticket so damn bad, go pase a car and give a speeding ticket or work traffic!
again... these mason county guys have a bad reputation for some reason. I dont know if it's just one guy who's a jerk, or if they are pushed harder from "upstairs" or what.
I don't know how many times I have helped my kids cast and hand them the rod, or cast it out for them in the wind or whatever when on shore fishing with powerbait.
Not just kids need help with that :P I have helped my mother in law :)
Post by: hawksfan75 on September 08, 2009, 11:16:59 AM
Post by: KillBilly on September 08, 2009, 11:48:42 AM
Post by: Curly on September 08, 2009, 11:59:18 AM
Did they both have a catch release card (CRC) on them?
I think you mean catch record card
Post by: runamuk on September 08, 2009, 12:00:45 PM
Did they both have a catch release card (CRC) on them?
OK I'll ask what the heck is a CRC card? never heard of it. Of course again I am not a freshwater fishing person the most we have done was in stocked ponds designated for kids and the occasional lake. Otherwise my own childhood fishing was all done on the puget sound. How long have these CRC cards been required because I've never heard of them and my kid might need one seeing as he goes fishing by himself all the time in the local creek and the river.
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on September 08, 2009, 12:25:27 PM
Just an FYI always say you plan to fish for all of them because if you say no and decide you want to at a later time they will charge you for them.
Post by: runamuk on September 08, 2009, 12:46:06 PM
Catch record cards are required for steelhead, salmon, sturgeon, halibut and pugetsound crab. When you buy your fishing license they should ask if you are planning on fishing for any of those species, if you say yes they give you the print out where you mark every fish you catch of previously mentioned species.
Just an FYI always say you plan to fish for all of them because if you say no and decide you want to at a later time they will charge you for them.
Ok but my kid doesn't need a license :dunno: he follows the rules for limits and seasons....and he is avoiding big fish after something snapped his pole in half :P.
I have my catch cards for saltwater I don't even have a freshwater license this year I have no intentions of fishing in freshwater.
Post by: Curly on September 08, 2009, 12:48:39 PM
Ok but my kid doesn't need a license :dunno:
Correct. He needs CRC's so that WDFW can keep track of how many Steelhead, Salmon, or Sturgeon are caught.
Post by: runamuk on September 08, 2009, 12:49:34 PM
Ok but my kid doesn't need a license :dunno:
Correct. He needs CRC's so that WDFW can keep track of how many Steelhead, Salmon, or Sturgeon are caught.
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ok but he only needs those if he is fishing for those species correct?
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on September 08, 2009, 12:50:21 PM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on September 08, 2009, 12:53:27 PM
Ok but my kid doesn't need a license :dunno:
Correct. He needs CRC's so that WDFW can keep track of how many Steelhead, Salmon, or Sturgeon are caught.
ok but he only needs those if he is fishing for those species correct?
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Correct
Post by: B.G.hunter on September 08, 2009, 01:07:54 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 08, 2009, 01:30:48 PM
Post by: colockumelk on September 08, 2009, 01:52:19 PM
Post by: CastleRocker on September 08, 2009, 02:11:51 PM
I took two days off work a few years ago to contest a speeding ticket and it was eventually dismissed. Yes, it cost me a lot more than just paying the fine would have. I politely told the judge that although this was costing me much more than just paying the ticket, and I apologized for wasting the court's time; I was innocent and would plead so, right to the bitter end because now it was entirely about principle. I asked if I needed to hire council. He asked me to plead down to a lesser charge and I apologized again and told him no. The judge stared me down for a several seconds, and then it was "case dismissed".
Although the officer was probably just following orders, and sounds like he was being considerate for the boys sake; I would stand on principle on this one. Go to court.
Post by: lazydrifter on September 08, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on September 08, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
The writing of a citation in this situation just makes it seem like it really is "all about the money" nowdays. I would definitely go to court, do your homework, be very professional, very nice, but without a doubt be absolutely firm in maintaining your innocence. You did NOT land these fish and were not trying to, nor did you exceed your limit.
I took two days off work a few years ago to contest a speeding ticket and it was eventually dismissed. Yes, it cost me a lot more than just paying the fine would have. I politely told the judge that although this was costing me much more than just paying the ticket, and I apologized for wasting the court's time; I was innocent and would plead so, right to the bitter end because now it was entirely about principle. I asked if I needed to hire council. He asked me to plead down to a lesser charge and I apologized again and told him no. The judge stared me down for a several seconds, and then it was "case dismissed".
Although the officer was probably just following orders, and sounds like he was being considerate for the boys sake; I would stand on principle on this one. Go to court.
I find it very hard for me to be polite, or even take the high road in situations like this. We elect and pay huge sums of tax dollars to elected officials to make intelligent, well thought out decisions, this is pure BS, absolutely nonsense. If this indeed happened as described, then it's clear to me that the legislation that was referenced is broken and needs to be fixed, an issue like this is larger than this one incident :twocents:.
Post by: Huntbear on September 08, 2009, 02:43:22 PM
However, no matter what the situation, I would fight it, cause you can win... take your boys in with you to not only testify, but to also learn how the legal system actually works, win or lose. No judge is gonna hold that ticket up in court.. not if he is any kind of judge anyway.
Post by: Fishhunt223 on September 08, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 08, 2009, 03:17:01 PM
Officer cited the 3 rods with barbed hooks in his canoe as proof he didn't pinch his barbs. I paddled over and explained the two rods were mine and we had just been at Forde Pond. He didn't care, said the rules were the rules. Steve got a ticket for $80 bucks or something like that. The officer was very nice and an agreeable guy but, he wrote it up.
It happens. They are the messengers for the rules that we all have the ability to comment upon at any WSFW meeting. THere is an on-line forum I used to comment on a rule change at one time. My comments were read at a meeting in Chelan. The on-line forum even sent me the meeting minutes and an attachment with my written comments showing my letter was taken into consideration. It is worthwhile to call and or write in. I think the department really seemed responsive when it came to listening to what I had to say in that case. Not to say it is always that way....Hap
Post by: cohoho on September 08, 2009, 03:58:37 PM
Post by: Ironhead on September 08, 2009, 06:42:02 PM
Post by: coasty on September 08, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
take a kid fishing were does this go
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 08, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
What he said to me was i can not stand there and hook fish and hand the pole off. He understood that it woul dbe very boring fr the kids to cast all day and not catch a fish but dad hooks 20 fish.
He was not an ass at all, he did take me away from the kids, and he commended me for geting the boys out there. And also commended for fishing with eggs and not snagging. What his issue was the helping them land the fish.
One of the boys had the fish 25 yards down the bank and i walked out and grabbed the leader to get the fish onto the bank, and cody couldn't get the fish out of the water so i grabbed the rod and pulled it up. I did not fight the fish i just pulled it up onto the bank, he just couldn't get it out of the water. So then it should have been on my catch record card and we kept it there fore i had exceeded my limit because i should have recorded the first one on my catch record card.
He said he could have written me a ticket for 5-600 dollards for using another persons catch record card but he was not going to because i had the kids out there and would cut me some slack.
I need to call and get the officers report.
I didn't sign anything either.
Post by: PolarBear on September 08, 2009, 08:54:36 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 08, 2009, 09:12:59 PM
Can they make it worse? i mean can they find me guilty of something other than what i have been issued a violation for? I have no clue how these go it is my first offence and i don't want to go up there and plead not guilty and get the book thrown at me. Not sure how this really goes. I really am ignorant of the process.
Also in the RCW it says that this is Unlawful recreational fishing in the second degree — Penalty.
Post by: kramman on September 08, 2009, 09:20:20 PM
Good luck Kram
Post by: Fishhunt223 on September 08, 2009, 09:22:48 PM
So you mean he wrote down the wrong rcw? That is grounds for dismissal as well, I would definitely take it to court if that is the case. I know somebody who got off the hook for a seatbelt violation because the officer wrote the wrong date on the ticket.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on September 08, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
So the WAC is 220.56.180.5 i think he meant to write down 220.56.180.9, not sure if going to court will do anything for me.
Can they make it worse? i mean can they find me guilty of something other than what i have been issued a violation for? I have no clue how these go it is my first offence and i don't want to go up there and plead not guilty and get the book thrown at me. Not sure how this really goes. I really am ignorant of the process.
Also in the RCW it says that this is Unlawful recreational fishing in the second degree — Penalty.
I would highly suggest you contact a good criminal lawyer. They can answer most of these questions competently in about 15 minutes. They will even do it for free in terms of a consultations. It sounds like you have a lot of questions and listening to armchair lawyers on the internet probably isn't the smartest move. There can be a lot of unforseen problems with charges like this on your record. If you need a referral, call the washington state bar association and ask them. Otherwise, find a criminal lawyer in the county where this occurred. You don't need one at arraignment, but if you have one they can waive the arraignment so you don't have to go to court. I'm assuming this was a criminal charge...? (sorry, I don't want to read 5 pages of posts) Good luck.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 08, 2009, 09:32:48 PM
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on September 08, 2009, 09:39:30 PM
Post by: smdave on September 08, 2009, 09:50:20 PM
All right it is RCW 77.15.380.
I do not see where that has anything to do with what you were doing.
RCW 77.15.380
Unlawful recreational fishing in the second degree — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of unlawful recreational fishing in the second degree if the person fishes for, takes, possesses, or harvests fish or shellfish and:
(a) The person does not have and possess the license or the catch record card required by chapter 77.32 RCW for such activity; or
(b) The action violates any rule of the commission or the director regarding seasons, bag or possession limits but less than two times the bag or possession limit, closed areas, closed times, or any other rule addressing the manner or method of fishing or possession of fish, except for use of a net to take fish as provided for in RCW 77.15.580.
(2) Unlawful recreational fishing in the second degree is a misdemeanor.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on September 08, 2009, 09:51:54 PM
Shawn just mailed you his card already :chuckle:.
No, I don't leave my county and I'm not taking new business right now. Too busy.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 08, 2009, 09:58:22 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 08, 2009, 10:02:11 PM
I'm assuming this was a criminal charge...? (sorry, I don't want to read 5 pages of posts)
No shawn not criminal... just a violation
What's the difference between a criminal charge and "just a violation?"
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 08, 2009, 10:07:26 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 08, 2009, 10:12:53 PM
Post by: G.R.K on September 08, 2009, 10:28:34 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 08, 2009, 10:32:40 PM
I fished Sunday and Monday on the Skagit without my fishing license in my pocket. (left that 'field' wallet in the truck)
I didn't get caught though! :IBCOOL:
-Steve
Post by: popeshawnpaul on September 08, 2009, 11:36:17 PM
It is not a criminal charge, maybe i meant infraction. Like reckless driving is criminal but speeding is just a violation.
My reading of the statute quoted is that it is criminal. A misdemeanor is criminal... Speeding is a civil infraction. Reckless driving is a gross misdemeanor crime. I'd lawyer up and erase this thread...
Post by: dbllunger on September 08, 2009, 11:42:52 PM
Post by: Mookie on September 09, 2009, 12:54:05 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 09, 2009, 05:53:58 AM
They really do hate you! :chuckle:
Good point! I never thought about his name being "WDFW Hates Me." Maybe there is such a thing as karma.
Post by: Gamie on September 09, 2009, 07:57:38 AM
You’ve got some good questions in your mind about the process that you are unsure of. Since it appears you have been charged with a crime, you can call or visit the prosecutor’s office and have those questions answered for no charge.
A lot of game warden bashing has occurred as a result of your encounter with the officer. Not that it should take over the thread, but I would hope folks also remember the many good things they can remember or have heard about fish and game officers. These guys are dedicated to preserving the very resources you enjoy when you hunt and fish. These guys put their lives at risk every time they put their uniforms on and go out the door. Backup (if any) for them is a very long way off. As you well know, most folks are armed or have sharp weapons readily accessible when these guys encounter them. Many bad folks wandering around in the woods have already decided they aren’t going back to prison. Don’t get me wrong, I’m in no way trying to minimize how you feel about your specific contact, but you do have options and should seek those out with the prosecutor’s office, or your choice of counsel. Finding the best answers here to your legal questions might not happen. But it has been interesting following this thread.
Post by: boneaddict on September 09, 2009, 08:06:20 AM
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on September 09, 2009, 08:21:25 AM
Gamie, for the reason you state above, I have to say that the officer in question could have been making better use of his time in this case. There are much more urgent needs in the woods than giving a dad a hard time for teaching his kids how to fish. It's frustrating to hear about stories like this, then every year in the woods encounter some law breaking idiots, target shooting in areas closed to target shooting, illegally dumping and much worse, there really are thing's that need more attention, as I said to me it's a larger issue than this one incident, I'm sure this is not the first time this officer has written this type of ticket, I've known a lot of officers and generally they all have their own pet peaves that they focus on, such as a cop who hates it when people fling cigarettes out the window (I hate that too :chuckle:).
Post by: KillBilly on September 09, 2009, 08:31:35 AM
MY :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on September 09, 2009, 08:43:57 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 09, 2009, 08:51:46 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 09, 2009, 09:04:50 AM
I think you should definitely contact a criminal defense lawyer, and the prosecutor, as suggested. If it is a criminal offense, you definitely don't want to let that go on your record w/o attempting to contest it. As Shawn indicated, a criminal record pops up in all kinds of unpleasant ways later in life, from the way you are treated by LEOs on future contacts/stops, to closing off future opportunities.
You don't want to have a criminal record, regardless of offense. Definitely worth taking the time.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on September 09, 2009, 09:08:36 AM
He just witnessed an infraction, no matter how dumb we think it might be, but apparantly one that he has done before.
He didn't witness an infraction. He witnessed a criminal charge and was nice enough not to take you to jail that day. They have discretion to bring you in or cite and release.
WDFW Hates Me
Since it appears you have been charged with a crime, you can call or visit the prosecutor’s office and have those questions answered for no charge.
No offense, but this is a bad idea. This is a crime. I have represented dozens of people for this crime. You'll likely go in and explain your situation and the prosecutors can use that against you. There is one right you need to remember, the right to remain silent... I'd exercise it.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 09, 2009, 10:19:35 AM
Post by: dbllunger on September 09, 2009, 10:21:36 AM
I know of one guy who was ticketed because he was fishing multiple poles in the boat. He was doing everything from baiting, setting depth, re-baiting, setting hooks on fish, reeling the fish half way in then handing it off. The others in the boat were sleeping, sunbathing, and reading, and not one of them did anything other then reel a fish in to land it. The story being told at the dock and in town by the person ticketed was nothing close to the reality. I only know the reality because we saw them getting the ticket, and heard him wanking at the dock later. He got really quiet and did not say much more at the dock when we pointed out what we saw happen for several hours prior to the ticket.
Personally in that situation he deserved a ticket if not the others also. No I don't have a problem if someone is sleeping or reading, but these other people did absolutely nothing in the fishing process.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 09, 2009, 10:54:22 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 09, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
Post by: FishOrDie on September 09, 2009, 07:44:12 PM
Fished the Skok on our annual trip to camp at lake cushman. Took 2 kids down to see if i could get them into there first salmon, well cody has caught a few. I was running bobber and eggs amid all the snaggers and my eggs were good. I had 17 bobber downs and i hooked 12 of those. I handed the rod off to Noah who had never caught a fish before he landed a bright jack about 3 pounds. He put his rod down because he was done. So cody stayed with me casting his spinner as i will not let him snag fish. I hook a nice fish and hand the rod off to cody and he lands a darker buck but he wanted to keep it. He is done and out of the water. I landed 2 more fish that i released and we walked out with 2 fish. The warden met me at the gate and was rather nice. He checked our licenses and our fish and thought we were going to be on our way. He took me aside away from the kids and talked to me about handing the rods off to the kids. He commended me for getting them out fishing and for using eggs instead of snagging but i can not hand the rod off to the kids. Sorry i am not going to go out and catch 20 fish and have my son watch in boredom, i am going to hand the rod off to him at all times. I want him to love fishing and catching.
So i get a ticket for unlawful attempt to excede limit-to continue to fish after fish was retained. 162 bucks to Mason county. i didn't retain a fish.Well i guess i am just going to pay it. I really don't think i am guilty of trying to excede the limit but oh well. I think that is a stupid rule and i know the game warden was just doing his job but it is a stupid rule...
I figured that the 8 hours off and the fuel to get up there would excede the cost of the ticket.
So not i am a lawbreaker...
Hi, sorry to hear about your "Infraction" which is a misdemeanor, and if you go to court, the judge "Could" find you guilty and impose a jail sentence, and the fines/court costs. Not saying that he/she would but stranger things have happened.
http://search.leg.wa.gov/pub/textsearch/ViewRoot.asp?Action=Html&Item=27&X=909192847&p=1
You could get 90 days, not saying you should, but consider talking with a lawyer, and do respond within the 15 days, and do show up, or a warrant will be issued.
If it is a yellow ticket, it is "Mandatory" to report to court.
Are you saying that Cody, and Noah both had licenses, and CRC's? And that all their fish were properly recorded on the CRC's? Along with yours?
If they did, then I "Would" fight this.. If not, then pay the fine and put your tail between your legs and never do this again. He could have got you for a hell of a lot more, and the kids. That's "If" you answer a certain way.
FishOrDie
Post by: dbllunger on September 09, 2009, 09:03:17 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 10, 2009, 08:38:31 AM
Just my guess based on the kids age that is the deciding issue in this instance. I would go to court and talk with the judge after reading the wardens report. Ask for them to give you a year with no other violations and ask to have them dismiss the ticket.
Please talk to an attorney. dbllunger's suggestion to seek a deferred prosecution is a good bet, especially if your record is clean.
Post by: Bigshooter on September 10, 2009, 12:30:37 PM
I would not waste my time or money going to court if you did break the law. Here is a quote from a judge on a ticket I contested "ignorance is no excuse for the law". If you do go to court good luck.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on September 10, 2009, 12:38:13 PM
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on September 10, 2009, 01:59:52 PM
Post by: Special T on September 10, 2009, 05:19:14 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 10, 2009, 10:14:13 PM