Post by: singleshot12 on September 17, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
Post by: rezboy on September 17, 2009, 07:26:51 PM
Not too bad in the Vanguard either. :twocents:
Post by: Gobble on September 17, 2009, 07:29:06 PM
Remington Model 700 BDL (270 Short mag)
Not too bad in the Vanguard either. :twocents:
+1
You can't go wrong with a model 700 :twocents:
Post by: markts on September 17, 2009, 07:33:24 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 17, 2009, 07:33:34 PM
Post by: jdb on September 17, 2009, 07:36:47 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 17, 2009, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: markts on September 17, 2009, 07:40:50 PM
My 270 Browning A-bolt is a complete tack driver! Lots of one shot kills, get a rem or tikka or any of the others and in a few years your going to start to wish you got the Browning, spend the little extra and get the buckmark!Here goes the debate. What will happen in a few years to the Rem or Tikka :dunno: Mark
Post by: Hunting Cowboy on September 17, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
My son has a Vanguard in 270 that just loves his Federal Premium Noslar Partitions. It's neen a tack driver right out of the box.
(huntnphool....I've always wanted a Rugar 77, maybe I'll get one in 270?)
Post by: huntnphool on September 17, 2009, 07:46:33 PM
(huntnphool....I've always wanted a Rugar 77, maybe I'll get one in 270?)
Good choice :twocents: I've not had a single issue with any Ruger rifle I have owned, a .270 would make for a good all around hunting rifle in the states.
Post by: jdb on September 17, 2009, 07:48:41 PM
My 270 Browning A-bolt is a complete tack driver! Lots of one shot kills, get a rem or tikka or any of the others and in a few years your going to start to wish you got the Browning, spend the little extra and get the buckmark!no offence but Ive never cared for brownings
Post by: scoyoc5 on September 17, 2009, 07:51:23 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 17, 2009, 08:11:38 PM
Post by: JoshT on September 17, 2009, 08:16:25 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on September 17, 2009, 08:17:55 PM
I own a browning a-bolt that shot great out of the box. :tup:
The Browning A-bolt is a nice gun alright,I'll check to see if it fits my budgit or not.
Still debating Wood or synthetic stock too?, mull, and don't care for the kick a light rifle produces either.
Post by: jdb on September 17, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
ok let me clarify that statement. the buckmark pistols are gret guns the auto5 is a timeless classic, the T-bolt, blr, and sa .22's are all great rifles, the blr's seem cool but I dont care for the handeling of the a bolt. :dunno: same with tikka's, weatherby's and sako's my :twocents:My 270 Browning A-bolt is a complete tack driver! Lots of one shot kills, get a rem or tikka or any of the others and in a few years your going to start to wish you got the Browning, spend the little extra and get the buckmark!no offence but Ive never cared for brownings
Post by: River on September 17, 2009, 08:18:43 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 17, 2009, 08:20:17 PM
BLR's are lever guns not bolts.. :dunno:ok let me clarify that statement. the buckmark pistols are gret guns the auto5 is a timeless classic, the T-bolt, blr, and sa .22's are all great rifles, the blr's seem cool but I dont care for the handeling of the a bolt. :dunno: same with tikka's, weatherby's and sako's my :twocents:My 270 Browning A-bolt is a complete tack driver! Lots of one shot kills, get a rem or tikka or any of the others and in a few years your going to start to wish you got the Browning, spend the little extra and get the buckmark!no offence but Ive never cared for brownings
Post by: jdb on September 17, 2009, 08:23:24 PM
Post by: Bofire on September 17, 2009, 08:25:21 PM
get a regular 270, short mags SUCK.
I do not like Browning but some are OK, get a rifle you like, I would say TIKKA first, but Rugers are OK, :) :) Winchesters, better than Rugers,...... Howa, Browning,weatherby, all the same junk. :) Thompson Center too much work for what you get.
its all opinion!
If you want a real rifle that will be perfect from the get to the go
buy Sako :IBCOOL:
Carl
Post by: ICEMAN on September 17, 2009, 08:25:46 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 17, 2009, 08:27:34 PM
Post by: jdb on September 17, 2009, 08:29:30 PM
Oh crap, my bad i did not see the "a" before the word "bolt" i thougth you said you did not like the bolt handling of the BLR.. :DOH:probably would have helped had I capitolized it. :hello: my bad
Post by: bobcat on September 17, 2009, 08:34:04 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 17, 2009, 08:35:07 PM
.Would help if i wasnt suffering form the novicain wearing off and the Jack Daniels..Oh crap, my bad i did not see the "a" before the word "bolt" i thougth you said you did not like the bolt handling of the BLR.. :DOH:probably would have helped had I capitolized it. :hello: my bad
Post by: Buckmark on September 17, 2009, 08:42:17 PM
There is no "best" rifle. It's just whatever you like. One thing to look at is the safeties. Buy a rifle that has a safety that is where you like it. I like the tang safeties. One of the reasons I like my Browning A Bolt. I believe Savage also has the tang safety and they are good rifles and reasonably priced as well. Howa/Weatherby Vanguard would also be a good rifle to look at. Rugers I don't know much about but if I was in the market I'd look at them just for the fact that they're American made. I guess the Remingtons are too and that's a good thing. Browning and Winchester I believe are made in Japan.:yeah:
I hate to admit it since im a devot Browning fan, old enough to have shoot alot of guns so dont try and change me, but one of the best guns i own is a model 70 in 30-06, acutrate as hell, i must have gotten lucky, owned it for a long, long time, shoots better then me ( and im pretty good), I'm not sure were the rifle is made makes a big difference (here it goes), buy and old Browning made in Belgium.. Most guns will shoot better than most people behind the stock. :twocents:
Post by: Buckmark on September 17, 2009, 08:45:45 PM
Uh no offence, but a .270 really does not kick...I own a browning a-bolt that shot great out of the box. :tup:
The Browning A-bolt is a nice gun alright,I'll check to see if it fits my budgit or not.
Still debating Wood or synthetic stock too?, mull, and don't care for the kick a light rifle produces either.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 17, 2009, 08:56:58 PM
Don't get me wrong, Browning A-Bolts are sweet.
But there's better bang for the buck out there.
http://www.savagearms.com/116fxp3.htm
or
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/centerfireBoltAction/XL7C.asp
Then put the best optic I could afford on it. I bought a Marlin XL7 in .270 for my son last Christmas. It shoots MOA easily and with a bit of shooter improvement I think it'll do better. Other than a early Ruger Varmint rifle with the varmint trigger, I'm unaware of anything out of the box that compares to the Accutrigger from Savage or Marlin's Profire trigger.
Savages are tack drivers too.
I'd rather have one of these American made rifles. Love my Ruger though..
-Steve
Post by: Curly on September 17, 2009, 09:00:05 PM
If you don't mind heavier rifles, then you may like a Steyr Prohunter.
Post by: Buckmark on September 17, 2009, 09:01:18 PM
Post by: Hillbilly270 on September 17, 2009, 09:43:57 PM
Hate to start a debate but I love myTikka T3 270wsm :twocents: Mark
:yeah: i've got one too and love it....and its around 100 dollars cheaper than what you want to spend!
Cant go wrong with the winchester M70 either.
Post by: bod on September 18, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 18, 2009, 11:15:13 AM
Post by: Buckmark on September 18, 2009, 11:22:21 AM
Post by: Wyoming08 on September 18, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
Browning :rockin: Browning :tup: Browning :chuckle: Browning :IBCOOL: Browning :)
:mgun:
AMEN BUCKMARK!!!
BROWNING GUNS ARE THE BEST SHOOTING GUNS OUT OF THE BOX. MY SON DOES SHOOT A TIKKA 300 MINMAG AND IT DROVE TACKS, I MEAN DROVE T.A.C.K.S OUT OF THE BOX!! I WAS VERY VERY IMPRESSED. HOWEVER GROWING UP IN UTAH LIVING ONLY 20 MINUTES FROM MORGAN UT HOME OF BROWNING....I HAVE THAT SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART FOR BROWNING. EVER SEEN THE BROWNING COLLECTION AT THE 25 ST. UNION TRAIN STATION...YA VERY NICE..
Post by: CoryTDF on September 18, 2009, 12:47:24 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on September 18, 2009, 01:02:37 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 18, 2009, 01:13:34 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on September 18, 2009, 01:26:58 PM
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Still debating Wood or synthetic stock too?, mull, and don't care for the kick a light rifle produces either.
Thing is.. You listed a price for rifle. Does that amount include optics? Most rifles don't come with iron sights anymore.
And though the Marlin XL7 is light in synthetic stock, the recoil pad is very nice. My 15yr old (small) son doesn't flinch a bit with this one. So, for the Marlin you're looking at $300 out the door and another $300+ish for the scope and rings.
I'm not knocking Brownings or Tikka's or Remingtons.. But for less than $700 for a package, they are well worth the money. If you've got that much for just the rifle, then I guess you'll by buying Japanese steel if you're looking new. Used, you'll have to research when some of those were built in europe or U.S.A.
-Steve
Post by: 270Shooter on September 18, 2009, 03:41:58 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 18, 2009, 03:56:14 PM
Also, whats the deal with a .270, i have never understood the love for this round? :peep:
Post by: MtnMuley on September 18, 2009, 04:11:27 PM
Post by: markts on September 18, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
I'm not knocking Brownings or Tikka's or Remingtons.. But for that much for just the rifle, then I guess you'll by buying Japanese steel if you're looking new.
-Steve Tikkas are made in finland is that a province of Japan :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle: Mark
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Post by: C-Money on September 18, 2009, 05:27:09 PM
Post by: JoshT on September 18, 2009, 05:41:13 PM
Let's see those "tack driver groups" from those factory guns...
Post by: lazydrifter on September 18, 2009, 06:16:22 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on September 18, 2009, 09:22:47 PM
Thing is.. You listed a price for rifle. Does that amount include optics? Most rifles don't come with iron sights anymore.
And though the Marlin XL7 is light in synthetic stock, the recoil pad is very nice. My 15yr old (small) son doesn't flinch a bit with this one. So, for the Marlin you're looking at $300 out the door and another $300+ish for the scope and rings.
I'm not knocking Brownings or Tikka's or Remingtons.. But for less than $700 for a package, they are well worth the money. If you've got that much for just the rifle, then I guess you'll by buying Japanese steel if you're looking new. Used, you'll have to research when some of those were built in europe or U.S.A.
-Steve
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Yes 7 to 8 hundred for iron and glass..I think I will go old school and look for another left handed Winchester mod.70. I have one that has never let me down, but it is an old one and it would be nice to have good back up just in case,ya never know when a firing pin could break on a hunt.
I'm sure there are alot of great high priced, new out of the box guns, but seems there is still more of a chance of getting a cull these days.
Might even look into an old Huskivarna with a mouser action, them Swedes sure knew how to build a good rifle too.
Post by: singleshot12 on September 18, 2009, 09:33:44 PM
Also, whats the deal with a .270, i have never understood the love for this round? :peep:
Flat shooting,good for varments all the way up to elk,very versitile caliber.
Post by: cascademountainhunter on September 18, 2009, 09:41:39 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 18, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
My opinion, too small, just my :twocents:
Also, whats the deal with a .270, i have never understood the love for this round? :peep:
Flat shooting,good for varments all the way up to elk,very versitile caliber.
Post by: Buckmark on September 18, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
Thing is.. You listed a price for rifle. Does that amount include optics? Most rifles don't come with iron sights anymore.
And though the Marlin XL7 is light in synthetic stock, the recoil pad is very nice. My 15yr old (small) son doesn't flinch a bit with this one. So, for the Marlin you're looking at $300 out the door and another $300+ish for the scope and rings.
I'm not knocking Brownings or Tikka's or Remingtons.. But for less than $700 for a package, they are well worth the money. If you've got that much for just the rifle, then I guess you'll by buying Japanese steel if you're looking new. Used, you'll have to research when some of those were built in europe or U.S.A.
-Steve
Yes 7 to 8 hundred for iron and glass..I think I will go old school and look for another left handed Winchester mod.70. I have one that has never let me down, but it is an old one and it would be nice to have good back up just in case,ya never know when a firing pin could break on a hunt.
I'm sure there are alot of great high priced, new out of the box guns, but seems there is still more of a chance of getting a cull these days.
Might even look into an old Huskivarna with a mouser action, them Swedes sure knew how to build a good rifle too.
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Oh your a lefty, that explains it, you are thinking with the right side of your brain :chuckle:, yes the model 70 is an excellent choice, the riflemans rifle, everyone should own at least 1 model 70 (i do). Those old huskys are great guns
Post by: G.R.K on September 18, 2009, 11:24:33 PM
Shot placement :dunno: :chuckle:My opinion, too small, just my :twocents:
Also, whats the deal with a .270, i have never understood the love for this round? :peep:
Flat shooting,good for varments all the way up to elk,very versitile caliber.
Post by: singleshot12 on September 19, 2009, 07:21:11 AM
Post by: JoshT on September 19, 2009, 07:30:59 AM
That being said... don't get me started on the ways the 7mm Rem whoops the .270 Winny's azz.
As far as the gun itself goes... get the one that fits you best... and has the features you've decided are important. If you're using it in this state... take a look outside this morning and then decide if you'd like a pretty blued/walnut gun... or one of pure function (stainless/synthetic).
Post by: singleshot12 on September 19, 2009, 07:35:08 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on September 19, 2009, 07:37:52 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on September 19, 2009, 07:43:18 AM
If I had a choice and if it was legal a 22-250 would put more deer down in their tracks than a 270.
Post by: Buckmark on September 19, 2009, 11:48:34 AM
Yep! shot placement is what it's all about, I never did buy into the "knock down power" theory of a big slug.Sorry had to go to bed, i did not mean the .270 was not big enough to kill, what i meant was that it was designed for the best performance with a 130g bullet, yes it goes bigger and you can handload it for good performance, but when you up the grains you do loose what the .270 really gives you.
I think the .270 will kill any animal in the lower 48 just fine and yes shot placement is paramont with any round, a well placed shot will always trump a poor placed shot from a bigger gun/bullet, but if you hunt alot and different animals there will be times that you will have to drive the bullet in at different angles or the animal moves making the bullet hit a bone etc, at those times i will take a bigger round moving at the slower speeds then a smaller round.
My 6mm can move a 55g bullet over 4000 fps and a 75g at 3600fps, has killed deer with 95g but i would never shoot an elk with it, a 300 winmag 180g at 3100fps has almost 3800ftlbs of energy to displace into the animal and will break a shoulder.
Knock down power is misused term, it should be Energy displacment.
A bullets energy will be displaced to the animal upon contact, if it goes through clean then not all of it, if it hits bone it could be all of it, the resulting energy displacment or transfer does what is called hydroshock to the animal and can in effect cause the animal to become incapacitated hence the "Knock Down".
Doesnt mean they are dead, animals get up and run away..
Hit vitals an animal dies. An arrow kills with a vital hit, no "KnockDown"..
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As far as the "perfect" .270 or any rifle for that matter, the one that aims itself and only the shooter can make it miss, well you better be very lucky or have alot of extra $$, there is a friday at every factory, i bet you could take 10 rifles from the same maker (insert name here), same caliber, use the same off the self ammo in each, mount them all in gun vises (not rests), use hydraulic triggers and they all with shoot different groups, could all be lets say 2 inches or smaller but different none the less.
What is a good group for you from a rifle that you say is perfect??
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1) Get then gun you want, fits, shoulders etc, looks good to your eye if need be.
2) Shoot it from a vise with a remote trigger, use different ammo, handload if you have too.
3) When it shoots the way you want it, then you can shoot it, in alot of different positions so you know with your eyes closed where it will hit, then you will have the perfect .270..
Post by: jdb on September 19, 2009, 02:45:15 PM
Post by: jdb on September 19, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
Post by: taylorpz on September 19, 2009, 03:45:08 PM
Post by: C-Money on September 19, 2009, 04:11:53 PM
Post by: C-Money on September 19, 2009, 04:15:47 PM
Post by: JoshT on September 19, 2009, 04:24:55 PM
I am gonna stir the pot here. I have read a few comments about the 7mm. The 7mm rem mag is over rated cause it has the word magnum in it. It is only a little faster and a little flatter than a .270, .280 or an 30.06, not enough to make it held in any higher regaurd. All 4 work about the same in my book, with little difference.
Nice group... bout time somebody manned up and showed one.
Anything the .270 will do... the 7mm will do with an additional 300fps... or 20% more bullet weight... and the bullets are ballistically far superior. I guess that's a "little difference".
Post by: Jamieb on September 19, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
Post by: C-Money on September 19, 2009, 05:15:45 PM
Post by: markts on September 19, 2009, 05:22:10 PM
Post by: Jamieb on September 19, 2009, 05:37:38 PM
Post by: JoshT on September 19, 2009, 05:41:22 PM
Post by: Jamieb on September 19, 2009, 05:48:48 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 19, 2009, 05:50:17 PM
Post by: JoshT on September 19, 2009, 05:51:42 PM
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v376/elkhunter/?action=view¤t=turretvideo.flv
Post by: jdb on September 19, 2009, 06:13:31 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on September 19, 2009, 06:15:16 PM
Knock down power is not a "theory"... it's a complete fabrication of epic status... kind of like Big Foot. Bullet through hydraulics (heart/large vessles), asperation (lungs), or Central Computing (brain/spine) = dead critter... the rest is just minutia.Ok I know these are just factory loads. But I fail to see the big difference in these too calibers. I grabbed two federal premium loads, both shooting 140gr Nosler accubonds.
That being said... don't get me started on the ways the 7mm Rem whoops the .270 Winny's azz.
270 Data
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=233
7mm Rem Mag
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=371
Soooo..... I realize these are just factory loads, and that handloads are a whole different ball game. But Looking at those ballistics the difference between the two isn't anything to brag about. Granted this information might favor the .270 slightly because I realize a 140gr .277 bullet will have have slightly better B.C. than a 7mm bullet of the same wieght.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on September 19, 2009, 06:22:22 PM
C-Money... I don't think you know Jamie very well... and calling him "son" ain't painting a flattering picture of you. Jamie is far too humble to post this video in response to you calling him out... so I will. 1000 yards, factory 7mm Rem in a McM stock... don't see too many videos of this sort featuring a .270 Winny... if you have one, by all means we'd love to see it...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v376/elkhunter/?action=view¤t=turretvideo.flv
Who would be taking a 1000yd shot at an animal?
Post by: Jamieb on September 19, 2009, 06:24:52 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on September 19, 2009, 06:27:06 PM
Post by: Jamieb on September 19, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on September 19, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 19, 2009, 06:36:28 PM
Go to gunwerks.comC-Money... I don't think you know Jamie very well... and calling him "son" ain't painting a flattering picture of you. Jamie is far too humble to post this video in response to you calling him out... so I will. 1000 yards, factory 7mm Rem in a McM stock... don't see too many videos of this sort featuring a .270 Winny... if you have one, by all means we'd love to see it...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v376/elkhunter/?action=view¤t=turretvideo.flv
Who would be taking a 1000yd shot at an animal?
Post by: Buckmark on September 19, 2009, 06:39:30 PM
josht I think we see eye to eye on the whole foot pounds of energy bs.Foot lbs are not bs, actually a law of physics.
Try this, take a baseball and a bowling ball.
put them on a table, now drop the golf ball on your foot, it will displace its energy into your foot, fells ok right.
Now do the same with the bowling ball.
when you stop hopping around lets us know what happened... :chuckle:
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 19, 2009, 07:09:53 PM
I wear steel toe boots. :chuckle:
Post by: JoshT on September 19, 2009, 07:26:56 PM
josht I think we see eye to eye on the whole foot pounds of energy bs.Foot lbs are not bs, actually a law of physics.
Try this, take a baseball and a bowling ball.
put them on a table, now drop the golf ball on your foot, it will displace its energy into your foot, fells ok right.
Now do the same with the bowling ball.
when you stop hopping around lets us know what happened... :chuckle:
A .22/250 and a .44 mag develop the same amount ft/lbs of energy... one will go through an elk endlong... the other rarely exits a coyote. ft/lbs aren't bs... they're a fact... but the way everyone uses them as a benchmark for perfomance on game is one of the greatest falacies in hunting. Bullet design, shot placement, and momentum are all more important than "energy".
Also... don't forget that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction... that's important in this because you're only transfering 1/2 of the "ft/lbs" to the animal... best case scenario. The rest of the energy is used to "do work" on the bullet (opposite and equal) to the work being done on the critter.
Post by: Buckmark on September 19, 2009, 10:19:00 PM
Not arguing, i get the idea you know what your talking about and i think you understand what im saying :brew:Not arguing, i get the idea you know what your talking about and i think you understand what im saying :brew:josht I think we see eye to eye on the whole foot pounds of energy bs.Foot lbs are not bs, actually a law of physics.
Try this, take a baseball and a bowling ball.
put them on a table, now drop the golf ball on your foot, it will displace its energy into your foot, fells ok right.
Now do the same with the bowling ball.
when you stop hopping around lets us know what happened... :chuckle:
A .22/250 and a .44 mag develop the same amount ft/lbs of energy... one will go through an elk endlong... the other rarely exits a coyote. ft/lbs aren't bs... they're a fact... but the way everyone uses them as a benchmark for perfomance on game is one of the greatest falacies in hunting. Bullet design, shot placement, and momentum are all more important than "energy".
Also... don't forget that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction... that's important in this because you're only transfering 1/2 of the "ft/lbs" to the animal... best case scenario. The rest of the energy is used to "do work" on the bullet (opposite and equal) to the work being done on the critter.
Now if a "smart car" and a Peterbuilt hauling a trailer load of jeepasaurarex's steel toed boots is about to hit us t-boned in a rented prius (really i dont think either of us would own one) while on our way to a match shoot with .270's, which one will we most likely walk away from??? :chuckle:
Post by: Jamieb on September 19, 2009, 10:34:01 PM
I may be off base here but the way I see it, energy measurements ment something when most bullets were constructed similar. With the options we have today(TSX and other tough bullets) its not as important any more.Not arguing, i get the idea you know what your talking about and i think you understand what im saying :brew:Not arguing, i get the idea you know what your talking about and i think you understand what im saying :brew:josht I think we see eye to eye on the whole foot pounds of energy bs.Foot lbs are not bs, actually a law of physics.
Try this, take a baseball and a bowling ball.
put them on a table, now drop the golf ball on your foot, it will displace its energy into your foot, fells ok right.
Now do the same with the bowling ball.
when you stop hopping around lets us know what happened... :chuckle:
A .22/250 and a .44 mag develop the same amount ft/lbs of energy... one will go through an elk endlong... the other rarely exits a coyote. ft/lbs aren't bs... they're a fact... but the way everyone uses them as a benchmark for perfomance on game is one of the greatest falacies in hunting. Bullet design, shot placement, and momentum are all more important than "energy".
Also... don't forget that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction... that's important in this because you're only transfering 1/2 of the "ft/lbs" to the animal... best case scenario. The rest of the energy is used to "do work" on the bullet (opposite and equal) to the work being done on the critter.
Now if a "smart car" and a Peterbuilt hauling a trailer load of jeepasaurarex's steel toed boots is about to hit us t-boned in a rented prius (really i dont think either of us would own one) while on our way to a match shoot with .270's, which one will we most likely walk away from??? :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on September 19, 2009, 10:58:28 PM
2 different metals that could come apart and not deliver the avail energy into the animal, and if you pushed them too fast they came apart or would not stabalize. Then a cool company in utah called barnes bullets developed the X bullet, solid contruction, with great expansion and very good weight retention, the bullet (mass) expanded and stayed together, therfor delivering its energy into the animal, problem was they were long bullets and would not always handload to max specs without feeding problems.
Then they added polymers to the tip, so it could be a bit shorted and loaded to max pressures in alot of calibers and now they are the ducks guts, but the energy is still the same, a full metal jacket fired with the same weight fired at the same fps from the same rifle has "X" ftlbs of energy at 100yds but if it does not expand and transfer that energy than it wont have the same effect.
remember a 150 grain bullet is a 150 grain bullet, you have to get the most energy you can to transfer to your target on impact..
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 20, 2009, 06:08:06 AM
Whats the best .270?
:stirthepot:
Post by: Red Dawg on September 20, 2009, 07:03:48 AM
Post by: JoshT on September 20, 2009, 08:09:26 AM
Sooo.... :jacked:
Whats the best .270?
:stirthepot:
The one that says "7mm Rem Mag" on the barrel.
Post by: C-Money on September 20, 2009, 08:18:39 AM
Post by: addicted on September 20, 2009, 10:24:35 AM
Post by: Buckmark on September 20, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Off the shelf, weatherby.. :chuckle:Sooo.... :jacked:
Whats the best .270?
:stirthepot:
The one that says "7mm Rem Mag" on the barrel.
Post by: Buckmark on September 20, 2009, 10:44:48 AM
Singleshot12 lets us know what you buy and how it works for you..
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 20, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Sooo.... :jacked:
Whats the best .270?
:stirthepot:
The one that says "7mm Rem Mag" on the barrel.
You don't get this thread do you JoshT??????????? :beatdeadhorse: :stup:
singleshot12 wants to know the best 270 for him to buy. He is not asking if 7mm is better or what the differences are. You should start a thread about 7mm's if you like them soooo much.
As for me singleshot12 my whole family have Browning A-Bolt Stainless Stocker Series my dad and sister have the 270 and I have the 270WSM. Found my sister's gun used for about 550 bucks. Glass bedded, free floating, and detachable box magazine, can't ask for more than that!!!! Let us know what you bought. :tup:
Post by: Jamieb on September 20, 2009, 01:00:40 PM
Post by: ribka on September 20, 2009, 01:02:49 PM
For that price range I think the best production rifle would be a used Sako or a used pre 64 Winchester model 70.
I have two Sako Finnbear 270's and a Winchester model 70 270 and they are very well built, accurate and good looking rifles.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 20, 2009, 02:02:19 PM
Post by: JoshT on September 20, 2009, 06:07:18 PM
You don't get this thread do you JoshT
Oh... I get it... I just think it's funny arguing about "the best .270". That's like arguing about the "best looking fat chick"... or the "best compact car"... or the "best democratic candidate"... or the "best 4th place team"... you get my point.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 20, 2009, 06:11:58 PM
I would start by buying the one that fits YOU the best. Bout everybody makes a shootin iron that'll shoot sub moa, without much heart ache.
Post by: Bofire on September 20, 2009, 06:17:57 PM
7mm is a great diameter, the 280 and 7mm-08 both are great , 7X57 also.
but back to the post, 270 is a wonderful cartridge. most any newer name brand one will work fine.
Carl
Post by: JoshT on September 20, 2009, 06:36:06 PM
:)Anyone remember the thread about the most "over rated" cartridges? I do, 7mm rem mag won, hands down. It is a mostly noise, barrel burning waste of time. and alot of folks on this site, besides me agreed. By the way, I shot the barrel out of a 700 rem 7mm mag, killed a lot of deer and elk with one. I know a bit about it.
7mm is a great diameter, the 280 and 7mm-08 both are great , 7X57 also.
but back to the post, 270 is a wonderful cartridge. most any newer name brand one will work fine.
Carl
The majority of folks thought Obama was the best choice to lead our nation... does that make them right?
Post by: scoyoc5 on September 20, 2009, 06:39:43 PM
Post by: C-Money on September 20, 2009, 07:53:17 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on September 20, 2009, 09:16:38 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Knock down power is not a "theory"... it's a complete fabrication of epic status... kind of like Big Foot. Bullet through hydraulics (heart/large vessles), asperation (lungs), or Central Computing (brain/spine) = dead critter... the rest is just minutia.Ok I know these are just factory loads. But I fail to see the big difference in these too calibers. I grabbed two federal premium loads, both shooting 140gr Nosler accubonds.
That being said... don't get me started on the ways the 7mm Rem whoops the .270 Winny's azz.
270 Data
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=233
7mm Rem Mag
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=371
Soooo..... I realize these are just factory loads, and that handloads are a whole different ball game. But Looking at those ballistics the difference between the two isn't anything to brag about. Granted this information might favor the .270 slightly because I realize a 140gr .277 bullet will have have slightly better B.C. than a 7mm bullet of the same wieght.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 20, 2009, 09:19:13 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 21, 2009, 08:08:58 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 21, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: the only topic that rival politics on this forum is ballistics.
most logical post in this thread.
:chuckle:
Post by: Jamieb on September 22, 2009, 05:40:56 PM
Post by: G.R.K on September 22, 2009, 10:38:44 PM
Out of all this *censored* in this thread, remember, good boolits in good places, do bad things......
Only in 7mm. :chuckle:
Post by: GUscottie on September 22, 2009, 10:51:31 PM
I don't see much of a need to get into the Magnums, Short Magnums or any of that if you are just hunting deer. The added velocity is great if you are shooting consistently out to 400 yards, but in my opinion, most people don't need anything more than the .270. Find what you like, what fits well, and go with it. To each their own...
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 22, 2009, 10:52:31 PM
Post by: Gearhead1940 on September 25, 2009, 06:09:43 AM
We could just have the mods delete anything off topic...... :stirthepot:
There wouldn't be anything left on this website then!
Does anybody here have experience with the 270 WSM? Looks like it's pretty flat shooting ballistics hits harder than the standard .270 and have recently read a lot of articles from Craig Boddington on the virtues of this cartridge. Any real-world stories?
Post by: andrew_12gauge on September 25, 2009, 06:13:03 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Knock down power is not a "theory"... it's a complete fabrication of epic status... kind of like Big Foot. Bullet through hydraulics (heart/large vessles), asperation (lungs), or Central Computing (brain/spine) = dead critter... the rest is just minutia.Ok I know these are just factory loads. But I fail to see the big difference in these too calibers. I grabbed two federal premium loads, both shooting 140gr Nosler accubonds.
That being said... don't get me started on the ways the 7mm Rem whoops the .270 Winny's azz.
270 Data
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=233
7mm Rem Mag
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=371
Soooo..... I realize these are just factory loads, and that handloads are a whole different ball game. But Looking at those ballistics the difference between the two isn't anything to brag about. Granted this information might favor the .270 slightly because I realize a 140gr .277 bullet will have have slightly better B.C. than a 7mm bullet of the same wieght.
Ok .270shooter ill take ya up on this one you wont get that much difference between a .270 and 7mm rem mag if you use the same bullet wieght
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/compare/rifle_compare.aspx
this is what happens when you compare a .270 win shootin a 140 gr accubond versus a 7mm rem mag with a 160 gr accubond, the differences while slight are there you get almost the same velocity (50 fps less with the 7mm at muzzle) but youll also notice that at longer ranges the .270 loses velocity faster, in terms of energy the 7mm will deliver roughly 280 fps more from muzzle on with almost no differences in loss, trajectory is nearly identical.
so yea with the 7mm you dont get much of an advantage but you do get a slight advantage
for those of you that say foot lbs. of energy is overrated you are somewhat right the amount of energy is not gonna make a differencein killing the animal with proper bullet placement but the more energy you are transferring the more likely you are to dropthe animal on the spot rather than having to track the animal and i dont know about the rest of you but i dont like to have to track an animal if i dont have too
but back to the topic at hand
a howa 1500 is a great gun at a great price and you surely couldnt go wrong with one in .270 and you could afford a little more on a scope with the money youd save
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 25, 2009, 01:19:53 PM
Does anybody here have experience with the 270 WSM? Looks like it's pretty flat shooting ballistics hits harder than the standard .270 and have recently read a lot of articles from Craig Boddington on the virtues of this cartridge. Any real-world stories?
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I have experience with the 270WSM. I bought it the first year it came out, I was looking for a upgrade of my .243 and wanted to get a gun that I could hunt deer and elk with. So I was looking at the 270's after talking with my dad we decided that the WSM looked interesting. It shoots almost as flat as my .243 and hits a bit harder as you said, we were unsure about the 30% less recoil they were saying it had.
As for the gun itself I love it!! It does kick a little more than the regular 270 but the ballistics are better. That is my opinion on it.
Post by: Jason on September 25, 2009, 02:44:09 PM
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535110
Post by: Gearhead1940 on September 28, 2009, 07:25:19 AM
Post by: huntnphool on September 30, 2009, 06:52:45 PM
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Anything the .270 will do... the 7mm will do with an additional 300fps... or 20% more bullet weight... and the bullets are ballistically far superior.
Amen Brother :tup:
Post by: ribka on September 30, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
Guy who love their 270's do not have to make up for should I say physical deficiencies. :IBCOOL:
Do not get me started on guys who buy the short mags!
Post by: h2ofowlr on September 30, 2009, 09:36:11 PM
I like shooting guns that hit there exact mark. If you need one that will drop a deer with body shots, go for the magnums. A well placed shot you will drop them in place without having to tough out the recoil.
Post by: JoshT on September 30, 2009, 11:01:23 PM
The guys who are 7mm fanactics remind of guys with small P&*s who buy corvettes or expensive sports cars. :chuckle:
Guy who love their 270's do not have to make up for should I say physical deficiencies. :IBCOOL:
Do not get me started on guys who buy the short mags!
.270 fans are in the marching band while the 7mm shooters actually played in the game...
30% more energy, 30 grains more bullet, 25% less drift, for less than 10 more grains of powder... but I guess if you throw in your fleuglehorn... then they're close to equal.
By the way... nice uniform...
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 30, 2009, 11:03:26 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 01, 2009, 01:45:06 AM
.270 fans are in the marching band while the 7mm shooters actually played in the game...
30% more energy, 30 grains more bullet, 25% less drift, for less than 10 more grains of powder... but I guess if you throw in your fleuglehorn... then they're close to equal.By the way... nice uniform...
How funny is that *censored*!!!! I don't own a Vette but have sports cars and love my 7mm. You are spot on JoshT!!!
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 01, 2009, 01:29:21 PM
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
Wow. This is beginning to remind me of the near fist-fights we used to get into in high school over the .270 vs. 30-06 debate. :chuckle:
Doesn't matter... they both suck hind-tit to the 7mm Rem.
Post by: Curly on October 01, 2009, 01:37:15 PM
Post by: croix on October 01, 2009, 01:55:03 PM
I was determined to be the third generation hunter to take a deer with that gun but it was old and shot for sh*t. After missing deer for four years I finally took a decent whitetail. I told my dad that FINALLY three generations had takend a deer with that gun. He informed me "I never got a deer with that gun. It shoots for sh*t."
Thanks dad. Could have used that little bit of info when you gave me the gun. :bash:
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
So from what im reading my Choice was the Captain of the team who drove a sports car and dated the prom queen.
The post says "Best .270" not best close to .270 or my cartridge can beat up your cartridge.
My choice like before .270weatherby, beats all the others hands down.
Even the 7mm mag, now suck on that.. :chuckle:
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 02:21:40 PM
Holy cow, this post (argumnet) is still going on.
So from what im reading my Choice was the Captain of the team who drove a sports car and dated the prom queen.
The post says "Best .270" not best close to .270 or my cartridge can beat up your cartridge.
My choice like before .270weatherby, beats all the others hands down.
Even the 7mm mag, now suck on that.. :chuckle:
.270 Roy is the 7mm's bitch... always has been... always will be. Same case, better bullets in 7mm... how can it be better?
Post by: Curly on October 01, 2009, 02:22:56 PM
Holy cow, this post (argumnet) is still going on.
So from what im reading my Choice was the Captain of the team who drove a sports car and dated the prom queen.
The post says "Best .270" not best close to .270 or my cartridge can beat up your cartridge.
My choice like before .270weatherby, beats all the others hands down.
Even the 7mm mag, now suck on that.. :chuckle:
But does it beat the .270 WSM?????? BTW - ballistically, the .270 Roy does not beat the 7mm Rem mag.
:beatdeadhorse:
edit - Josh beat me to it........ :P
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2009, 02:45:50 PM
And as far as the 7mm mag, thats a whole different story, remember this is the "best .270" post..
But just for kicks the .270 roy has less bullet drop for comparable bullets and weights, I know it sucks being the bridesmaid.. :chuckle:
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 02:52:42 PM
But just for kicks the .270 roy has less bullet drop for comparable bullets and weights, I know it sucks being the bridesmaid.. :chuckle:
You'd know... you shoot the bridesmaid.
140 vs. 140... out of the Nosler Book
.270 Roy = 3293 (best load) and the .270 140 NBT has a BC of .456
7mm Rem = 3340 (best load) and the 7mm 140 NBT has a BC of .485
On what planet does that mean "less bullet drop for comparable bullets and weights"?
Where the 7mm Rem really shines is with the 160 Accubond... that bullets turns it into an absolute beast the likes of which can't be equalled untill you step all the way up to the .300 Winny.
Post by: huntnphool on October 01, 2009, 03:00:45 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 01, 2009, 03:02:28 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 01, 2009, 03:10:25 PM
You have any kill photo's from a 7mag Josh? Is it reall y that good?
I do ;)
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 01, 2009, 03:24:21 PM
Hornady Light Magnum 270 Win 140 BTSP 3100 Fps -36.6@ 500 17.1'' drift @500
Hornady Heavy Magnum 7 Mag 139 SST 3250Fps -33.5''@ 500 17.2'' drift @500
All this from a shorter snout, less blast, recoil, lighter gun, etc. Any monkey can spin a turret....... Just sayin..
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
Show me a load that can best the 160 accubond at 3100 for energy and drift out to 600 yards or so... I bet you have to go to a BIG gun to find it. It is better... there is no doubt.
Will a .270 kill schitt... yup.
Will a 7mm kill it deader... nope. Is it more versitile... yup. Is it a far better mid-long range caliber... without a doubt.
If you want to handcuff yourself to 130-150 bullets that are ballistically middlin'... then by all means, shoot the .270. If you want the king of deer rounds... and you want to spin that turret... buy the 7mm.
I'm dissapointed in you Jud... of all folks on here I expected better of you... you know velocity rules man... 6/55... enough said.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 01, 2009, 04:57:07 PM
Looks like factory, about 400 fps, handloaded 350 fps, that is if I use your " 3400 fps if your lucky' quote. But once again we're comparing apples to oranges. Guess thats why some rounds are named magnums...
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2009, 05:38:02 PM
Ok so for the "best .270" debate, i say .270roy.
Factory weatherby ammo that anyone can buy.
140 gr accubond (thats a nosler josht) has a BC .496, a velocity of 3320 and bullet drop of -21.6 @500 if sighted in dead on at 300yds (yeah no kidding you can sight in for 0 at 300).
All with just buying a box of loaded ammo and going shooting, it is hard to beat the factory stuff buy handloading for the roy.
Now to compare to the 7mm with the 140gr you listed, yes you bested me by 20fps, but i beat you with BC which can more than make up for it.
And both will kill just fine.
But wait, you brought up that the 160gr really makes the 7 shine, and im sure you need to handload it, for the 270 roy i dont have a good 160gr to add, but for what the .270 likes which is 130gr and by your statment that velocity rules, well here we go, factory ammo bought off the shelf.
130 barnes tsx BC of .466, velocity of 3400fps, and a drop of -21.0 @500 if sighted in to 0 at 300yds.
And yeah a 300 whinny really makes up for the short comings of the 7mm, but that is for another day.
And i dont thin old Roy W. drove a foreign truck :chuckle:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 01, 2009, 06:13:44 PM
And yes the 270 Roy rules the roost in the .277 department. Who'd a thunk it? grin..
Post by: C-Money on October 01, 2009, 08:02:22 PM
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
I just think if you're going to step up from there... might as well go to the best all-around gun... and I think the 7mm Rem is the top of that heap... without stepping all the way up to a big .30. The .270 isn't a big enough step up from the '08 cased rounds... to justify the increase in powder/noise/etc.... hell, I'd take a 7mm/08 over a .270 any day of the week.
I shouldn't have started this whole .270/7mm thing... we all know the 7mm is superior... the numbers don't lie. But, to some guys that just doesn't matter... I guess they read a little too much JO'C when they were kids. Hell, I don't even remember if this tread was oriented toward the best ".270 Win RIFLE"... or the best "cartridge in .270"... do any of you guys know?
Post by: mossback91 on October 01, 2009, 08:52:56 PM
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 08:53:38 PM
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2009, 09:05:35 PM
Post by: mossback91 on October 01, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
Heck, i'd buy a .270win for $150, make a nice lamp post...
boat paddle...............
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 09:12:34 PM
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2009, 09:15:16 PM
Na, thats what a mossberg shotgun is forHeck, i'd buy a .270win for $150, make a nice lamp post...
boat paddle...............
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2009, 09:16:08 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of fly-swatter... :IBCOOL:Might be under gunned, i've seen some big horseflys during the summer.. :chuckle:
Post by: stringflinger4elk on October 01, 2009, 09:17:14 PM
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2009, 09:21:00 PM
Heck just pi$$ on all that and go to Christensen Arms, first open a new credit card account for about 20,000 so you can pay your divorce lawyer after you buy one sweet custom made pick your action pick your trigger pick everything rifle made to order and your wife finds out after it shows up. st you back only 1600 -2600 bucks no big deal you still have 18,000 ish left to pay your lawyer. should get you out of everything alright maybe you'll still have your truck when you are done so you can still go hunting.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Heck i'm in the clear then, dont need the divorce lawyer...
Post by: Jamieb on October 01, 2009, 10:30:20 PM
Post by: Jamieb on October 01, 2009, 10:33:36 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 01, 2009, 10:39:26 PM
I've seen these kind of topics come up over and over. Most of the guys that post dont have enough if any experience with both cartridges to give them both a real evaluation. I'd like to know how many folks posting on this one have owned and used both a 270 and a 7mm rem mag.
Thats a fact!!
Post by: ribka on October 01, 2009, 10:42:51 PM
I could argue that the 338 lapua or 6.5 /284, etc ,etc. is bettter than the .270
I remember reading Jack Connnor's article as a youngster and am still enamored with the .270. It really is a great and versatile cartridge.
Remember the thread said best 270! Not what cartridge is BETTER than the 270 :dunno:
And the venerable .270 has been around for over 80 years
Post by: G.R.K on October 01, 2009, 10:45:56 PM
Guys. the 270wby's big downfall is its still a .277, not to mention the price of WBY brass.:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:,7mm Rem Mag,Thats Funny. :lol4:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 01, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 10:56:56 PM
I've seen these kind of topics come up over and over. Most of the guys that post dont have enough if any experience with both cartridges to give them both a real evaluation. I'd like to know how many folks posting on this one have owned and used both a 270 and a 7mm rem mag.
I've owned two .270s... and toyed around with a .270 WSM (which I saw absolutely abuse a couple of bears and half a dozen deer running the 140 AB). I've owned at least four 7mm Rems (and a 7mm Roy)... you and I both know what the 7mm is capable of. I think the comparison between the two is quite valid... both standard actions, both "mid-bore" deer/elk type rifles, both fit somwhere between the excellent short action cartridges and the big boomers... etc. If you're in the market for one... the other should be considered... or at least aknowledged. I don't think there's ever a reason to choose either the .270 or the .30-06 when the same EXACT rifle is available in 7mm Rem... particualrly when "western" hunting is envolved. Faster, Flatter, Superior bullets... all of that cannot be ignored. Also, I'm a devoted handloader... so I pay no attention to what factory loads do... that may be a factor to some... but not to me, so my experience with cartridges varies greatly from those who're religated solely to factory fodder.
The 7mm offers these things that the others cannot:
~ 120's (legitimate big game bullets here) at 3500-3600
~ 140's at 3300+... still faster than any load you can produce with a legit big game bullet out of the .270 or '06
~ 160 Abonds at 3100ish... show me a round that hits harder and drifts less... and it'll be fired by a big ass gun
~ 162 Amax for looooong range work... you may not desire to shoot 600-1000... but it's awful cool to be able to
But, I digress... pick the gun that you like best, that fits you best, that has the features you want... load it with a good pill... and put that bullet through the clock-work... the rest will take care of itself.
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 11:01:17 PM
Its almost magical.... But most of Roys rounds are..
Fairy dust brotha... fairy dust.
Post by: Jamieb on October 01, 2009, 11:07:40 PM
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2009, 11:10:54 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 02, 2009, 06:11:46 AM
But, I digress... pick the gun that you like best, that fits you best, that has the features you want... load it with a good pill... and put that bullet through the clock-work... the rest will take care of itself. I didn't think you had it in ya, now can you let it go?
Post by: JoshT on October 02, 2009, 09:23:14 AM
Just make sure the one you buy... doesn't have a cracked stock ;)
Post by: Buckmark on October 02, 2009, 10:55:01 AM
I've seen these kind of topics come up over and over. Most of the guys that post dont have enough if any experience with both cartridges to give them both a real evaluation. I'd like to know how many folks posting on this one have owned and used both a 270 and a 7mm rem mag.I have, and do own all that we have been discussing, my "drug" is firearms, loveem all and love to shoot whatever i can, have killed something with every gun i own (even my red ryder bb gun), i am still looking for that magic caliber, I always find it interesting that some people get so in love with just one and only one and claim it is so much better than everything else, i dont doubt any of my guns to kill within there limits, but i dont think and have yet to of found the be all end all of rounds, like josht said 1 round doesnt kill anything deader than the other, and good bullets, put into the right places equal meat in the freezer..
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 02, 2009, 11:20:49 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 02, 2009, 11:21:41 AM
Congrats, you've single handily figured out pushing a boolit with a greater B.C., with more powder produces greater down range ballistics. Kudos?
Post by: NWBREW on October 02, 2009, 11:24:41 AM
I dont think any deer is going to care if the bullet that hit them was traveling at 3,100fps or 3,250fps. Dead is dead and meat in the freezer. :twocents:
Bingo..... 8)
Post by: JoshT on October 02, 2009, 11:29:55 AM
Congrats, you've single handily figured out pushing a boolit with a greater B.C., with more powder produces greater down range ballistics. Kudos?
This from a guy who spends all that dough on Roy's POS rifles, his redundant cartridges, and his factory fodder? Come on man...
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 02, 2009, 11:36:58 AM
All this *censored* from a guy thats never seen a blacktail bigger than a spike......Laffin...
Post by: JoshT on October 02, 2009, 11:45:36 AM
All this from a guy who can't figure out how a turret works... laffin.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 02, 2009, 11:47:27 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 02, 2009, 11:48:04 AM
Post by: mossback91 on October 02, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
:peep:
Post by: Buckmark on October 02, 2009, 11:59:25 AM
Post by: NWBREW on October 02, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
So really guys what is the best 270?
Rem 700 BDL...just my opinion :dunno:
:peep:
Post by: Curly on October 02, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
So really guys what is the best 270?
After reading all these pages of opinions, I'm pretty sure the answer is the standard old .270 Win. If you want something to shoot faster, then just get a 7mm mag. The 7mm mag would be a better choice than the .270wsm or .270roy.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 02, 2009, 01:35:37 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on October 02, 2009, 01:43:05 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 02, 2009, 01:48:29 PM
Carl
Post by: dontgetcrabs on October 02, 2009, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 02, 2009, 03:44:26 PM
Post by: G.R.K on October 02, 2009, 11:47:16 PM
Post by: runamuk on October 03, 2009, 02:56:30 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 03, 2009, 03:32:41 PM
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I'd like to know how many folks posting on this one have owned and used both a 270 and a 7mm rem mag.
:hello:
Post by: byrdman on October 03, 2009, 04:06:09 PM
Post by: NWBREW on October 03, 2009, 06:02:57 PM
QuoteI'd like to know how many folks posting on this one have owned and used both a 270 and a 7mm rem mag.
:hello:
I've got one of each :chuckle:. Love both of them :chuckle: And thier both rem. model 700 :chuckle:
Post by: Chopaka81 on October 04, 2009, 12:33:48 AM
All rifles shot "minute of mulie." (0.5 moa).
The Tikka has a Leupold VXI 2-7x32 LR Duplex scope on it. I worked good enough to take down a 4 pt last year at 386 yds (lasered).
Will my Tikka win any beauty contests? NO! That old Mtn Rifle would have though.
This discussion remonds of one I just got into regarding which Diesel pick-up should I buy, a Power Stroke, a Cummins, or a Duramax.
Post by: ICEMAN on October 04, 2009, 07:50:30 AM
Post by: runamuk on October 04, 2009, 09:25:12 AM
When will this madness end? :chuckle:
apparently it will never end :chuckle: :chuckle: until we all give up having an opinion ;)
Post by: mossback91 on October 04, 2009, 10:16:13 AM
The 270 Win (or WSM) is a very capable cartridge. I have shot and owned 270's since '80. They are great rifles. Get whichever rifle floats your boat. I have had good results with two Rem M700's. One was a BDL, the other was a lite weight Mtn Rifle. My current 270 is a Tikka T3 Lite.
All rifles shot "minute of mulie." (0.5 moa).
The Tikka has a Leupold VXI 2-7x32 LR Duplex scope on it. I worked good enough to take down a 4 pt last year at 386 yds (lasered).
Will my Tikka win any beauty contests? NO! That old Mtn Rifle would have though.
This discussion remonds of one I just got into regarding which Diesel pick-up should I buy, a Power Stroke, a Cummins, or a Duramax.
Duramax!! :P
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2009, 10:28:03 AM
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Duramax!!(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10123/10.gif)
Post by: 270Shooter on October 04, 2009, 09:11:01 PM
Post by: Chopaka81 on October 04, 2009, 09:49:35 PM
I bought a '08 Duramax with only 10,000 miles on it. I got it at a price I could not pass on.
So much for this thread being about which 270 is best... :chuckle:
Post by: G.R.K on October 04, 2009, 10:34:36 PM
Post by: Curly on October 06, 2009, 10:10:46 AM
DURAMAX it is!! :IBCOOL:
I bought a '08 Duramax with only 10,000 miles on it. I got it at a price I could not pass on.
So much for this thread being about which 270 is best... :chuckle:
Good choice. :tup:
Post by: C-Money on October 06, 2009, 10:25:52 AM
Post by: KimberRich on October 06, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
My 270 Browning A-bolt is a complete tack driver! Lots of one shot kills, get a rem or tikka or any of the others and in a few years your going to start to wish you got the Browning, spend the little extra and get the buckmark!no offence but Ive never cared for brownings
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Post by: KimberRich on October 06, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
The 270 Win (or WSM) is a very capable cartridge. I have shot and owned 270's since '80. They are great rifles. Get whichever rifle floats your boat. I have had good results with two Rem M700's. One was a BDL, the other was a lite weight Mtn Rifle. My current 270 is a Tikka T3 Lite.
All rifles shot "minute of mulie." (0.5 moa).
The Tikka has a Leupold VXI 2-7x32 LR Duplex scope on it. I worked good enough to take down a 4 pt last year at 386 yds (lasered).
Will my Tikka win any beauty contests? NO! That old Mtn Rifle would have though.
This discussion remonds of one I just got into regarding which Diesel pick-up should I buy, a Power Stroke, a Cummins, or a Duramax.
Duramax!! :P
:yeah:
Post by: deaddog on October 06, 2009, 02:53:39 PM
Post by: C-Money on October 06, 2009, 03:00:33 PM
Post by: Kent Hunter on October 08, 2009, 04:43:35 AM
Post by: KimberRich on October 08, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
:yeah: Thats why I think these kinds of questions are kinda silly, just make a list of every gun made cause sombody out there that has one, thinks ITS the best. Whats the deadliest snake in the world?..........The one that just bit you. :chuckle: Realy I think the best is the one I shoot alot and have confidence in.
I absolutely agree. It's all about confidence.
My vote for the .270 is the 721 remington. The gun that turned into to 700 which has turned out to be a pretty good rifle... :dunno:
I have one that my Grandpa bought brand new in '49 and he handed down to my Dad 25 years ago and now I have it. It's pretty much killed everything that walks. Deer, elk, sheep , goats, bear, and many other things. I wish it could talk and tell me the stories!
Post by: ICEMAN on October 10, 2009, 05:54:57 AM
My vote for the .270 is the 721 remington.
:yeah: Yep, thats the one! Best 270 of all time.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 10, 2009, 09:27:34 PM
Post by: Chopaka81 on October 10, 2009, 10:14:00 PM
I shot a traditional Sierra 130 gr SBT (GK), RP Brass, 59.3 grs H4831, CCI 200 primers. It pokes along at 2940 fps.
This Tikka is a down & dirty killing machine. Last year - one shot - one kill - 386 yds.
Post by: KimberRich on October 13, 2009, 12:33:50 PM
Jack O'Connor's .270 was the best .270 of all time... ;)
:bow: :bow:
Well said.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 14, 2009, 05:21:17 PM
Jack O'Connor's .270 was the best .270 of all time... ;)
:bow: :bow:
Well said.
If you haven't been to the Jack O'Connor Museum in Lewiston, ID it's worth the trip. Cabela's in Post Falls has a nice memorial wall in his honor too.
Post by: Crowns on October 14, 2009, 05:56:58 PM