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Title: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 11:26:20 AM
 This is just a reminder to those jack asses heading out for the general season opener that are not prepared, GO GET SOME BINO'S NEXT WEEK. I swear to God that if someone scopes me and my daughter again this year they are going to get a 7mm headache. :bash:

 I'm sure there are guys on this site that do this, and just in case you have not been told before, this practice is a  :bdid: :nono:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: uncoolperson on October 07, 2009, 11:34:26 AM
being scoped isn't cool... really it isn't cool, I think i might start bringing an extra set or two of $20 binocs to hand out to every *censored* that scopes me next time. (worse when after scoping you, they remove the bullet from the chamber... come on I'm wearing orange, what deer do you know that are orange color... there are no orange tail in washington!)

my wife let me get a fancier pair of binocs this year, so I've got one to throw at the next person to scope me this year (she says buy one get rid of one)... gonna write on them "there are no orange tail in washington, you big idiot".
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: HUNT on October 07, 2009, 11:35:39 AM
 :mor: :stup:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
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gonna write on them "there are no orange tail in washington, you big idiot".

 :yeah:

 I have had it happen every year to me but now that my daughter is hiking in with me it seems my tolerance level is at the breaking point. I have a tendency to internalize accidents of others and that story about that guy accidentally shooting his kid in the car just keeps flashing in my mind. When her and I got scoped last year it was almost the same thing going through my head, just not me doing the shooting. It scared the crap out of me, and like I said not because it was pointed at me but rather at my little girl. Maybe its old age creeping up, maybe I'm just blowing it all out of proportion, either way I'm finding it harder and harder to take a deep breath and handle things like this rationally!!!
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: bankwalker on October 07, 2009, 11:50:25 AM
i have about 5-7 pair in the truck during hunting season and will be throwing them at people who "scope" others, or anything for that matter. without the intention of shooting.

ive had it happen far to many times every year. and vail just increases ur odds of being scoped by about 1,000,000,000%
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: uncoolperson on October 07, 2009, 11:52:19 AM
I'm gonna feel sorry for the poor fool that points a rifle at my wife (her first year out), not from what I might do, but from the violence that quiet little lady can let lose if provoked.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 07, 2009, 12:20:37 PM
Sore subject for me too.

Got scoped while I was sitting bright oranged in a clearcut on a hill a few years ago. Kid comes walking in the skidder and scopes the whole clearcut then holds on me. I stood up. He didn't move his hold. I set down and took a good sitting rifle rest and put my cross hairs on his trigger finger. If that finger was even close to the trigger, the though of "It's him or me" came to mind. It wasn't, but he held still. So did I. Once he lowered the muzzle, I ran down that hill at mach II with my rifle in hand. I was just gonna kick his ass I was so pissed. Then his dad walked in the skidder. Lucky. Then I gave it to his dad with both barrels. Dad didn't see that it was all that wrong. I stood there and asked.. If you're standing there feeling this way, if I reach toward my pistol, how long will it take you to get nervous. Do I have to pull it out of the holster? Just touch it? Point it at you? He says, 'You'll not be pointing a gun at ME!'. .... "Ah".. So it's OK for your kid to point a gun at something/someone he doesn't intend to shoot, but it's not OK for me to point a gun at you?

He started eating his words and then scolded the kid. They walked out. I went the other way into the woods. I kept an eye on them as long as I could though.

-Steve

Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: gtrplr on October 07, 2009, 12:27:18 PM
I had a very similar thing happen to me in Oregon a few years back, its bad enough the idiot is walking in the bottom of my clear cut (ok maybe not "mine" but I was there first before light!  :P ) opening morning but then to scope ME? >:( Lucky he is still alive! Great topic to bring up btw!
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: littlebuf on October 07, 2009, 12:28:11 PM
what if i turn the rifle around and look through the other side of the scope is that ok? thats not as dumb is it?
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 12:28:52 PM
This is one of the spots we were scoped at. Really? You can't tell the two orange spots you are pointing your gun at are not deer? Then you shouldn't be hunting!!! >:(
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
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Great topic to bring up btw!

 Its been brought up before but being a little more than a week out its obviously weighing heavy on my mind.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: jstone on October 07, 2009, 12:34:24 PM
This is why i stopped rifle hunting. My son has had a deer taken out from under us in twisp. Same day checking out a 2x2 and watched some stupid father shoot at it while his 2 kids stood there and watched. Good ethics there. Told my son"this is the last year we do this". It was a 3 pt. or better area.....
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: jjdavis2222 on October 07, 2009, 12:37:08 PM
  I am a guilty party on this but it was not my fault.  :bash:

Remember when you have a back pack on and are in the woods make sure people can see your back orange!!

I was up hunting a couple years ago and I entered this drainage and thought I kicked some thing up on the other side. All I could see was this brown patch moving up the other side around 200 yards away. I looked at with my nacked eye and thought for sure it was a deer. Even when i got my scope on him it took a few seconds for the guy to turn around a little before I even knew it was a person. Felt like an idoit but lets remember when you throw that back pack on you, people behind you cant see any orange.

This guy maybe had a 1/3 of what is legal showing of orange. Again I felt stupid and I dont think the guy even saw me do this. He should of had some orange on his back side.

Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 12:41:18 PM
That brings up another good point, red and black flannel shirts or coats from the good ol days are not a substitute for blaze orange.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: littlebuf on October 07, 2009, 12:46:38 PM
heres my hunting outfit. should be ok right?
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 07, 2009, 12:48:41 PM
That brings up another good point, red and black flannel shirts or coats from the good ol days are not a substitute for blaze orange.

 I wear a boonie that has orange on the top, an orange vest and an orange pack sometimes but at minimum a hat and vest. You should get out of the habit of "spotting" with your gun regardless of what you see with the naked eye. I confess to this stupidity my first year of hunting, I was 18 and dumb, I saw a guy hiking below us on the ridge and thought all of us were accounted for on the ridge, my first thought was one of us got turned around and couldn't see us up there, wrong. I checked to see who it was (hands under the stock and at the rear of the gun) and it was one of us, but he wasn't turned around and did see me do it and was very pissed. I don't blame him, really the only dumb thing I can think of that I did in my first years of hunting and I definitely learned my lesson, I have the best bino's I can afford at all times and never scope check unless I'm certain it is a deer. Packing a deer can be even more dangerous, many shed their orange once a deer is down, BAD idea. I actually get more orange out when I down a deer and wrap the deer partially in orange, it may sound silly but a moving deer is a moving deer, even if it is already tagged :twocents:.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 01:12:12 PM
Good point Dman.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: gasman on October 07, 2009, 01:12:39 PM
I always carry binos and am very ademit about everyone in myfamily carring binos at all times when hunting. I have a buddy that does not carry binos and throws his scope up to check things out. we get in arguements every year about it and this year he bought his first set of binos. we will see if uses them or not. he is more concerned about losing a shot at an animal because it takes to much time to switch between scope and binos.

My daughter even called him out on it last year when he was scoping out a hill side.
 :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:


I carry them for archery hunting at all times also.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 01:34:54 PM
 As of right now this thread has been viewed 233 times and only has 18 posts, half by me I'm sure. Point is I'm sure a couple people have read it and realized they are the problem.

 You still have several days to buy or borrow a set of binos, don't end up in prison for manslaughter or horizontal because you scoped the wrong person.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: luvtohnt on October 07, 2009, 01:49:25 PM
As of right now this thread has been viewed 233 times and only has 18 posts, half by me I'm sure. Point is I'm sure a couple people have read it and realized they are the problem.

 You still have several days to buy or borrow a set of binos, don't end up in prison for manslaughter or horizontal because you scoped the wrong person.
I have viewed it at least as many times as there are posts.

I am an archery hunter so I don't have to worry because the day I draw on a human is the day I will give it up forever.

I had one close call one time however. I was rifle hunting (the only time ever) and I saw a deer, and put my rifle up in case it was legal. It was moving fast so I wanted to be ready for the shot. As I was watching it I noticed something moving with my naked eye (yes I used to shoot with my left eye open, I had to retrain myself for more accuracy). So I set my rifle down and checked out what was moving, it was a person not wearing any highly visible orange that had bumped the deer and was trying to get into place for a shot. Needless to say I left the area and let them have at it. I heard a total of 11 shots from that draw only a couple minutes after I left.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: TheHunt on October 07, 2009, 01:58:23 PM
Good point on the back pack...  I purchased the blaze orange option on my eberlestock backpack for that reason.   

For the most part, if you hike you butt in about four miles you remove about 90% of the dumies...
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Caseyd on October 07, 2009, 02:05:27 PM
As of right now this thread has been viewed 233 times and only has 18 posts, half by me I'm sure. Point is I'm sure a couple people have read it and realized they are the problem.

 You still have several days to buy or borrow a set of binos, don't end up in prison for manslaughter or horizontal because you scoped the wrong person.

Just cause people read it and didnt post doesnt mean they are the problem!

I read and didnt post. But like you mentioned this thread has come up before.

I fully agree with you and if i was put in the situation (to my knowledge i havnt been scoped) i would be very angry too.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 07, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
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heres my hunting outfit. should be ok right?

Yup, meets the 3pt minimum!  :IBCOOL:

-Steve
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 02:08:11 PM
I said a couple out of the 233 not all. ;)
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: 7mag. on October 07, 2009, 02:16:02 PM
Using your rifle scope to spot or identify something is absolutely a novice action. Rifle scopes are for shooting, bino's and spotting scopes are for looking. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. Being scoped makes my blood boil. I don't like any body pointing a gun at me for any reason.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 07, 2009, 02:35:12 PM
 "I am an archery hunter so I don't have to worry because the day I draw on a human is the day I will give it up forever. "

 I was drawn on at the Carbon River fisherman's trail one September riding my bike down to fish the river >:(. How do you mistake a guy in jeans with wader's on a bike for a deer? Shure he just heard something coming and drew :bdid:.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: BIGINNER on October 07, 2009, 02:40:37 PM
I JUST BOUGHT MYSELF NEW BINOS,  WHEN I JUST STARTED HUNTING,   I HAD TWO SCOPES,  AND TO IDENTIFY A TARGET, I WOULD USE MY EXTRA SCOPE,  I WOULDN'T DARE  LOOK THROUGH THE SCOPE THAT WAS ATTACHED TO MY GUN UNLESS I WAS READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER,    SCOPING SOMEONE IS NO DIFFERENT THAN LOOKING THROUGH OPEN SIGHTS POINTED AT A PERSON,  :bdid:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: BIGINNER on October 07, 2009, 02:42:48 PM
I TAKE MY NEPHEWS OUT VARMINT HUNTING ALOT,  AND I MAKE SURE THE CHAMBER IS EMPTY UNTIL THEY ARE READY TO SHOOT,    I CAN DEFINATELY SEE WHY ANY ONE WOULDN'T HESESTATE TO CICK SOMEONES ASS IF THEY SCOPED THEM WITH KIDS AROUND.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: bankwalker on October 07, 2009, 02:49:47 PM

I am an archery hunter so I don't have to worry because the day I draw on a human is the day I will give it up forever.


been drawn on a few times, now that is scary shiat right there.

id much rather have a quick death due to bullet, then to have a slow death AND be able to see the person that shot me with an arrow. everytime i have had someone at full draw looking at me has been less then 20yds. it is very scary, and i make sure i let the sob know exactly how stupid they are to come to full draw at something they do not first id. im just glad they wait to see what i was instead of shooting through brush at the noise.

 :bdid:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: NRA4LIFE on October 07, 2009, 03:25:59 PM
I'm going to be using a larger pack this year that covers up my whole back and I bought an el-cheapo orange vest at Walmart for $5 to have it on the backside of my pack.  I have never witnessed this myself.  It could have happened I guess witrhout me knowing.  I would go have a "chat" with anyone who did this to me and I saw it.  It would start off something like this...YOU &^% *&^ &^%$ING MORON WHAT THE &^%$ WERE YOU THINKING? Repeat and repeat and repeat.

Phool, would you reveal what unit that was in?  I'm not trying to be nosey but I am hunting in several new units this year that look an awful lot like that picture.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
That pic is from 224 but you can add 231, 242 and 247 to it, its happened to me in all of them.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: andrew_12gauge on October 07, 2009, 04:53:55 PM
im takin a young kid from church(18) up deer hunting this season, its going to be his first time deer hunting as he just passed hunters ed, we were talkin about gear a coupla weeks ago and i was goin over what he already had and what he needed, got onto the subject of binos and he said he didnt have any i told him he needed to be getting a pair and pronto, his response was "cant i just use the scope on the rifle", my response was pretty adamant and needless to say he now has a pair of cheap bushnells but at least he'll be lookin through those instead of a rifle scope at someone
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: HuntingFanatic on October 07, 2009, 05:08:06 PM
Good topic! I have been scoped too right where that picture is. Makes you wonder if they ever check their safeties as well.....creepy stuff!
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 07, 2009, 05:28:12 PM
My first year hunting I was alone in Kettle Falls with a doe tag, opening day I hiked a little batch of state land and on my way up I thought my orange vest is ridicules, that makes no sense to wear camo and a bright orange vest on top of it (that's what I thought back then), so I took it off and kept hiking.  I set on a tree stump and glassed the hill downwards when I noticed a bright orange spot, I looked through my binos and saw a hunter pointing his riffle at me, in what seemed a mili second let my self fall backwards behind the tree stump pulled the orange vest out of my backpack and waived from behind the tree stump, let say I have learned allot since then.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: 30.06 on October 07, 2009, 07:32:36 PM
Yup, Orange backpack is on, vest too. People also need to remember to hang their orange in a very visible nearby location whenever they are changing layers according to changing body tempature. I've been scoped myself, quite the uneasy experience, never a good reason to have that happen to anybody. Hunting the opener is exciting enough, without having a rifle trained on ya. Keep it safe, and let's try and pass the word to the nimrods, while teaching the next generation.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: MuleySniper on October 07, 2009, 07:40:48 PM
Even having an orange rifle in this state would help! I wear as much as possible. Id rather look like a pumpkin than a 4pt. muley to some folks.
MS
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Elk_o_holic on October 07, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
I guess the people doing the scoping didn't have the same instructor I had. He instilled the "Where the scope is pointed is where the bullets headed!"  :bdid:
During the general season, a numberof years ago, I pulled one of my younger cousins along. We were sitting on a log, all decked out in flor orange, overlooking a shallow valley and up drives these guys. I watched them through my bino. They stop about 350 yards away and down goes the window on the passenger side. Then out goes his rifle, pointing it at us! As soon as I saw that I tackled my cousin to the backside of previously said log. I'm sure Mr. bleep bleep got a good laugh. My cousin was terrified and I was livid >:( >:(
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: go4itlab on October 07, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
I hunt with a bow(never go back LOVE IT), after being scoped a couple times, and during bird season I put a small cow bell on my labs so the idoits dont shoot me or my boys(west side only).
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Yelm hunter on October 07, 2009, 10:42:34 PM
LETTING EVERYONE KNOW.... THERE ARE GOING TO BE EXTRA GAME WARDENS OUT THIS YEAR WATCHING FOR THIS KIND OF *censored*... UNMARKED GAME WARDENS!! So.... BETTER WATCH WHAT YOU ARE POINTING AT!! I was scoped last year on opening day within 5 mins of season when I went to shoot my deer a AS* HO** UP TOP SHOT 15 OR MORE ROUNDS OFF AT THE SAME DEER I WAS SHOOTING and made several "GUT" shots... Get your gun sighted... CABELAS DOES IT FOR FREE!! DAMN... Its not worth shooting someone!!
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: ICEMAN on October 08, 2009, 06:53:47 AM
My issue is this: Some guys just keep their vest in their pocket to put it on once they near a road.  Seen it more than once.   A few years back, I was perched on a great ridge/look out and saw motion below me at a distance. Glassed it, and watched as some *censored* wad hunted his way towards and below me. He never saw me above him, until I yelled at him as he was within a few hundred yards. I chewed his ass very aggressively, and sure as hell, he had it in his pocket and put it on. I ran into his hunting buddy/father later, and advised him of the asschew. His dad said..."Oh, yeah, he always forgets to put it on..." (BS)

Look, I don't necessarily like wearing orange either, but if I have too, you have too. That's my policy.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: halflife65 on October 08, 2009, 08:23:59 AM
I also went to archery but I used to actually tie small strips of that marking tape in some bright color like flourescent orange or pink (like what they use to lay out clearcuts) onto the antlers of deer if I put them on a packboard - at least if the antlers happened to be facing up.  I used to hunt the Snake a lot and it was wide open - you'd think that people would identify targets but they also take 300 yard shots on average and I saw any number of guys take 800 - 1000 yard shots (never successfully).

I didn't have anybody shoot at me, but did see a nice buck from about 1000 yards, walk through a canyon and up the other side of a big ridge and was about 150 yards away from the buck.  I could just see his head and top of his antlers over the break in the ridge and the deer was walking straight at me with his head down feeding.  I just sat down and waited.  Some other guy walked up to the point where I was when I originally saw the deer, looked over and saw the buck, HAD to see me (all dressed in orange sitting in about 6 inches of grass waiting on the buck) and just opened up at about a 1000 yards at the deer DIRECTLY over my head.  I stood up and was waiving my arms around and then just vacated.  The guy never saw the buck and I supposed figured it was better to Hail Mary a couple over there because there was no way to beat me to it.

I REALLY wanted to find the guy and beat the *censored* out of him.  Not only did he intentionally screw up something for me he could have killed me (although I was 150 yards down the hill - not super close.  It was still right over my head, though.)  I have no reason to think that this guy was a good shot and certainly not an ethical hunter...Anyway, if people can intentionally do stuff that dumb, I have no doubt they could accidentally shoot someone.  Wear your orange, use binos or a spotter and be careful.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Bean Counter on October 08, 2009, 08:30:04 AM
I don't think I've scoped anyone before. Carrying binos just seems to make good hunting sense. Binos have a greater field of view than a riflescope and ones eyes can stand to look through binos longer than a scope.

I hate to see government regulating personal activity but I have a tough time arguing with the states that require rifle hunters to carry binos and cite those that don't.


Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: haugenna on October 08, 2009, 08:31:53 AM


Look, I don't necessarily like wearing orange either, but if I have too, you have too. That's my policy.


I am with ICE on this one.  

I will take it a step further though, if you are not wearing orange and someone scopes you, deal with it.  Not saying its right but it is very easy to tell a pumpkin moving from a camo spot moving in the bush.  I use my binos to identify a deer and if it is a deer and I confirm it with my binos, I am on it with my rifle ready to shoot if it meets my standards.  If I have time, I set up the spotter and tripod.  

Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: uncoolperson on October 08, 2009, 08:34:55 AM
I hate to see government regulating personal activity but I have a tough time arguing with the states that require rifle hunters to carry binos and cite those that don't.

I've gone out plenty without bino's, then again I can't scope someone with open sights. The worst someone has to worry about with me is being the target of squinting and getting what looks like the stink eye from a few hundred yards out.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: colockumelk on October 08, 2009, 08:53:39 AM
 I woldn't be surprised if one of those "scopers" gets smoked.  There are alot of returning combat veterans out there.  I know that when I returned from my second deployment (it was a bad one) I was very jumpy.  For 7 months straight if someone pointed a weapon in my general direction they got smoke checked.  It's simply a reaction.  Muscle Memory if you will.  If someone would have done that to me when I went hunting a week after I returned I may have shot someone because of my muscle memory. 

Case in point.  A month before I deployed for my second deployment I went ML hunting for deer along the Palouse.  I was stalking a doe when some guys in a truck pull up on the other side of the river and three of them all take a shot at the doe which was 250 yds away from them on the other side of the river (my side of the river)  I know they all saw me because I was 50 yds from the doe (who was bedded down in some tall grass) I was in a clearing.  I distinctly heard the bullets whizzing over my head.  I did not shoot them because it was before my deployment.  If it had been after my deployment  :dunno: 

My point being for all you "scopers" out there be carefull who and what you scope.  There's some of us that may have just returned from somewhere where the Rules of Engagment are "IF YOU FEEL THREATENED".   
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dipsnort on October 08, 2009, 09:56:27 AM
I'll tell you what chaps my hide most of all is those "scopers" who obviously do it to every hunter they see so they can get a better look at them.  Use you head, man! >:(
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: KimberRich on October 08, 2009, 10:55:10 AM
Good topic and I hope it opens some peoples eyes to their bad habits.  I live in my bino's and feel like I can see way better out of them anyways.  You can buy a cheap set of bino's for like $20.

I didn't know there were states out there that require them..  Like posted earlier, I don't like having more rules mandated on me but I don't think this would be a bad one.

Even if it was a rule there would still be idiots out there.  :bash:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Red Dawg on October 08, 2009, 10:58:26 AM
i dont like the homo's that scope me will I am pitched up taking a duece. happened to me twice.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: NRA4LIFE on October 08, 2009, 11:24:13 AM
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That pic is from 224 but you can add 231, 242 and 247 to it, its happened to me in all of them.

Oh crap.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: fishermanjoe on October 08, 2009, 12:14:51 PM
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i dont like the homo's that scope me will I am pitched up taking a duece. happened to me twice.

HA! That happen to me elk hunting a couple of years ago. :o He didn't scope me, he use his binos, but still, let me take my growler! If the guy is looking more than 2 Mississippi es then he is a little light in the loafers.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: batsquatch on October 08, 2009, 12:53:14 PM
i dont like the homo's that scope me will I am pitched up taking a duece. happened to me twice.
That way when they go back to camp they dont have to say "I havent seen *censored* all day". :chuckle:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: fishermanjoe on October 08, 2009, 12:55:56 PM
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That way when they go back to camp they dont have to say "I havent seen *censored* all day".

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: zackmioli on October 08, 2009, 12:57:05 PM
good topic. hope no one experiences that this year. be safe out there.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 08, 2009, 01:04:28 PM
I'll see hunters back at camp. Where I'm going, I don't plan on seeing anyone.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: WhiskyRiver on October 08, 2009, 01:23:21 PM
All I can say is HOLY SH*T!!!  :yike:  I cant beleive there are people out there that are actually stupid enough to use their scope in place of binos!! They deserve to receive a .243 Win attitude adjustment!! Hubby and I may be new to hunting and all, but that thought has NEVER crossed my mind and I can almost guarantee it hasnt crossed his either.

Wow, there really are some dumb*sses in the woods...wonder when the season opens for them? ;)
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 08, 2009, 03:07:32 PM
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I cant beleive there are people out there that are actually stupid enough to use their scope in place of binos!!

Unfortuneatly it happens way all too often, as you can tell by how many people have just replied about it.

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i dont like the homo's that scope me will I am pitched up taking a duece. happened to me twice.

OMG Red Dawg, I about pissed my pants on that one, way too funny.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 08, 2009, 03:32:38 PM
All I can say is HOLY SH*T!!!  :yike:  I cant beleive there are people out there that are actually stupid enough to use their scope in place of binos!! They deserve to receive a .243 Win attitude adjustment!! Hubby and I may be new to hunting and all, but that thought has NEVER crossed my mind and I can almost guarantee it hasnt crossed his either.

Wow, there really are some dumb*sses in the woods...wonder when the season opens for them? ;)

  Most stupid actions are not thought out, that's really the point here, to make people think first. If your new to hunting, give it 20 years and I guarantee you will have a "stupid story" of your own. Everyone err's at some point, anyone not fessing up to doing something dumb at some point in their life is full of *censored* :twocents:.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: halflife65 on October 08, 2009, 03:44:02 PM
I've never done anything dumb with the exception of:
1.  Hunted in my tennis shoes because I forgot my boots
2.  Abandoned hunting because I was just trying to get "found" about 15 minutes from my truck
3.  Hunted with steel 3" magnums for quail because I grabbed the wrong shotgun shells
4.  Hunted elk with 130 gr boattails because I grabbed the wrong bullets
5.  Wasted half my day walking back to get my binoculars after I left them on a log about 5 miles from the road (how the hell do you walk that far before realizing that you don't have your binoculars around your neck?)
6.  Froze my ass off sleeping in the front seat of my truck because I forgot my sleeping bag
7.  Got lost on my way to the place I wanted to hunt and ended up being 2 hours late
8.  Fell in a creek
9.  Fell in a lake
10.  Missed a buck at about 40 yards with a scoped rifle
11.  Was told to "stay right here and they'll come right by you" and moved.  The deer showed up right where I was supposed to be...

I'm sure that there are a lof of other dumb things that I've done.  However, scoping somebody is not one of them (although I've scoped myself and have the scar to prove it.  My dad told me it was a TELEscope and not a MICROscope.  Huh.)
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 08, 2009, 03:53:47 PM
  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

 Thank you for that, I can add to it:

 I've never:

 -slid on my ass 50' down a ravine in full gear trying to "sneak up" on a deer.

 -blew off an oak limb from my duck blind

 -sank my own decoy
 
 -taken the biggest dump of my life opening morning on top of the ridge and realized I forgot TP :chuckle: (I apologize for that image)
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: fishermanjoe on October 08, 2009, 04:01:33 PM
I think we need a new confessional topic, just so we can get a few laughs! :)

Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: halflife65 on October 08, 2009, 04:02:12 PM
Well, Dman, I've left to go hunting with a full-sized t-shirt and came home with a half shirt tank top.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: NRA4LIFE on October 08, 2009, 04:10:39 PM
Oh god, here we go.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 08, 2009, 04:22:28 PM
Well, Dman, I've left to go hunting with a full-sized t-shirt and came home with a half shirt tank top.  :chuckle:

 Do you remember the night before coming home? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

 Maybe your memory has blocked it out? :chuckle:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: ICEMAN on October 09, 2009, 06:30:41 AM
Since we are so far off topic I might as well throw this in too;

If you need to drop a Chalupa on the trail, please move to the side a ways and bury it in a cathole!

Plus, why must some guys drop their load in the middle of the road? Are we afraid of the dark and the woods and have to lean against the bumper to take care of it? Good god!   :bash:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: yelp on October 09, 2009, 07:06:03 AM
Since we are so far off topic I might as well throw this in too;

If you need to drop a Chalupa on the trail, please move to the side a ways and bury it in a cathole!

Plus, why must some guys drop their load in the middle of the road? Are we afraid of the dark and the woods and have to lean against the bumper to take care of it? Good god!   :bash:

Man I was taking the wife to Mexican dinner tonight..not now.. :chuckle:  Yeah "Bury your Chalupa" and wrapper!  Great bumperstick Ice. 

Chalupoo!  OK enough...  :)
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Red Dawg on October 09, 2009, 07:43:03 AM
Ice when ya gotta go you gotta go. On elk camp diet there is never anytime. Always a photo finish.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: piledup on October 10, 2009, 11:45:44 AM
Getting back on topic, I've never seen anyone "scope" me but maybe without me knowing and I wear orange all the time rifle hunting with a orange cap too. These are not just orange that I'm wearing, they are blaze orange too. In 204, I know there's a lot of hunters during rifle season (especially on opening day) and I swear about half of those hunters don't wear orange at all :yike:

If I got scoped, I'd be pissed like everyone else had said too.

Maybe we should start like a poll after the the season starts to see how many of us on here got scoped? I'm pretty sure there's going to be "VENTING" posts.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: HuntingFanatic on October 10, 2009, 05:11:31 PM
I just bought a yard of blaze orange fabric that I am going to attach to mine and my dads Packs! lol
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: runningboard on October 11, 2009, 11:25:54 AM
was in 113 last year and snuck past a guy not wearing orange while I had mine on and he never saw me. we swapped ends of the clearcut and he looked back as I sat on a skid road in full view and scopes me! I used my middle finger to let him know he was #1 and he walks off. after sitting and glassing for a while I go down the road towards my rig and get to where he was when he scoped me and I see him and his buddy on the road below me walking towards their truck straight away from me, 1 of 'em looks back and sees me in orange standing on the skid road and the @$$*#%le scopes me again! I ducked and considered shooting their truck right thru the timing cover but crouch-walk away. my friends tell me "they would have come after you if you shot their truck." I say, " not in that truck!"
I met the guy the previous year in another cut close-by and I see them at the local store getting gas and I take their plate and call it in, get told they'll call and have a talk with the guy but nothing they can do, I said "well he didn't have orange on ticket his @$$ for that."
oh yeah, this was an older guy who obviously never had to attend a hunter ed class so he never had an instructor pound it into his head that you NEVER use a scope to ID a target.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 11, 2009, 11:41:07 AM
 "he never had an instructor pound it into his head that you NEVER use a scope to ID a target."


 Unfortunately that's part of the problem. The three week hunter's ed. I took when I was a kid used only iron sight guns and didn't even address scopes at all. Perhaps that has changed now, but I would be surprised if all hunter's ed. courses addressed that issue.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: runningboard on October 11, 2009, 11:47:21 AM
understand your point Dman, on page 11 of the latest hunter education manual there is a safety tip, Never use a telescopic sight to identify your target! use binoculars first, and then use your riflescope. never point a firearm at another human or livestock! word for word, so hopefully most instructors are as adamant about it as the people on here who have been scoped personally.
also page 74 in current hunting regs, under Hunter's code of conduct: Fire your gun or bow only when you are absolutely sure of your target and its background. use binoculars, not your rifle scope, to indentify your target.
too bad most only read what applies to them as far as seasons go and such. I have been guilty of that one myself in the past.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Thenewguy on October 11, 2009, 11:48:00 AM
im takin a young kid from church(18) up deer hunting this season, its going to be his first time deer hunting as he just passed hunters ed, we were talkin about gear a coupla weeks ago and i was goin over what he already had and what he needed, got onto the subject of binos and he said he didnt have any i told him he needed to be getting a pair and pronto, his response was "cant i just use the scope on the rifle", my response was pretty adamant and needless to say he now has a pair of cheap bushnells but at least he'll be lookin through those instead of a rifle scope at someone

Good for you, makes you wonder how many "noobs" simply do this as no one has taught them better
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: alanger on October 12, 2009, 08:06:53 AM
I get scoped like 5 times a year for deer and elk. I'm covered in orange sitting down  orange pants and an orange coat someone walks oh 200 yrds away thru a clearing i am glassing around  WITH BINO"S and they pull up right on me so i moved  to show i wasnt an freckin elk wearing orange and they got on me again too i finally moved to the other side of the log pile. GET BINO"S theres lots of poeple going for the same spike but use common sense, elk dont wear orange.  :bash: i bet their gun was loaded also.
Dont people remember things from hunter safety anymore??
Don't point a gun where it's not safe.
don't point a (LOADED) gun at a person.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: wastickslinger on October 12, 2009, 08:49:50 AM
I will never forget the first time I got scoped. It was also the first time I would have been afraid of my grandfather had I been on the other end of the lashing the dude got from him. Needless to say, I seriously bet that guy went and bought a pair of binos. Man grandpa was PISSED!

Another time I heard him talking to a total stranger. The guy had a scoped gun and no binos. Grampa kindly said "I see you dont believe in binos, I really hope I dont catch you looking down the barrel of your gun at us later on" Guy said he couldnt afford binos. Grandpa said sell the scope and buy some, learn to shoot open sights until you can save up for a scope. The guy didnt like his criticism.

Too many knuckleheads out there!!!!!!
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: BIGINNER on October 12, 2009, 09:05:23 AM
correct me if i'm wrong,  but arent you required to wear hunters orange at this time of year? quail and chukar season is open already,   i was out looking for coyotes the other day, i wore orange just to be safe,  not sure if its required yet,  but i saw a quy, looked like he was out for chukars,  no arange, i was curiouse to see if it was anyone i know, so i took out my binos to yake a look,  and i get a middle finger, (some people would rather be scoped than looked at through binos  :dunno:,   (lucky i only use open sights) 
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: runamuk on October 12, 2009, 09:16:39 AM
When this has been mentioned before my first thought is "who does that"  :dunno:  I wouldn't even think of using my scope to identify something...DUH...

I have bino's I use them if I forget them I am screwed and suck it up as my own damn fault. 

Last night coming our of the woods it was getting dark fast and I thought about seeing coyotes so I found a stump and scoped that just out of curiosity wanting to see how low a light I could actually see in....I actually could see through my scope after the light made my bino's useless, still wont use my scope for identifying things that has to be about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  Do not point a gun at me I have a nasty streak of self preservation....

I haven't been wearing orange yet still out for bear..when hubby and kid go out for just grouse they have been wearing their orange....Orange is required during any modern deer or elk season and for upland birds.  Grouse confuse me because I am not sure if I am hunting bears and were to whack a grouse if I am technically breaking the rules of orange and upland  :dunno: :dunno: not likely to happen any time soon I wont shoot grouse with my rifle but the thought has occurred to me ....
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 12, 2009, 09:30:18 AM
 Grouse are not upland game birds = no hunter orange required unless modern deer or elk is open.

 Run I'm surprised you don't wear orange hunting bear, I sure do :twocents:. It makes no sense to me the State does not require it for bear, yet it does for elk and deer.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: runamuk on October 12, 2009, 09:40:53 AM
Grouse are not upland game birds = no hunter orange required unless modern deer or elk is open.

 Run I'm surprised you don't wear orange hunting bear, I sure do :twocents:. It makes no sense to me the State does not require it for bear, yet it does for elk and deer.

So far I haven't ever seen any other hunters when I am out hunting bear, and the people who got me started don't wear orange so its the way I roll.... :dunno:.....I also lived in Idaho no orange over there......and I honestly do not see how only hunters wearing orange is safer....if I am out just hiking during the season I am not required to wear orange yet I am truly no safer than a hunter probably less so actually.  Bear season overlaps with bow and so you have everyone in camo no hunter orange...just not sure I believe orange truly makes it safer....I think education makes people safer......
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 12, 2009, 10:12:53 AM
 To me it goes back to the vision requirement, this State doesn't have one. If you have to have good vision to drive, you sure should be required to have the same capability for hunting :twocents:.

 The majority of folks out there don't see as good as they should and don't have corrective lenses/ glasses.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 12, 2009, 12:52:04 PM
 One other observation of this post, every person on this thread except for 4-5 people have said this happens to them at least once per year. Either there is one busy little dude hitting 30 GMU's a year doing nothing but scoping, or there are a whole lot of hunters doing this and not fessin up as having done it.  :twocents:.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 12, 2009, 01:03:31 PM
One other observation of this post, every person on this thread except for 4-5 people have said this happens to them at least once per year. Either there is one busy little dude hitting 30 GMU's a year doing nothing but scoping, or there are a whole lot of hunters doing this and not fessin up as having done it.  :twocents:.

 :bash:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: halflife65 on October 12, 2009, 01:43:13 PM
One other observation of this post, every person on this thread except for 4-5 people have said this happens to them at least once per year. Either there is one busy little dude hitting 30 GMU's a year doing nothing but scoping, or there are a whole lot of hunters doing this and not fessin up as having done it.  :twocents:.

 :bash:


Well, that guy may be an a-hole, but you could never call him lazy.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 12, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
One other observation of this post, every person on this thread except for 4-5 people have said this happens to them at least once per year. Either there is one busy little dude hitting 30 GMU's a year doing nothing but scoping, or there are a whole lot of hunters doing this and not fessin up as having done it.  :twocents:.

 :bash:


Well, that guy may be an a-hole, but you could never call him lazy.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 12, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
i wont lie, i have scoped someone one time. it was on the west side elk hunting with a rifle. we had a bull down and were making our way to it and some idiot starts shooting over us! i could hear the whizzing of the bullet then the smack of it hiting what ever it was hitting, then i would hear the report of the rifle. i dunno if he was shooting at our bull or what but it was dead. and he as shooting over our where our rig was parked. thought i might have to shoot back >:(
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 12, 2009, 02:54:06 PM
If given the choice, I would not own a bit of blaze orange!

-Steve
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: coachcw on October 13, 2009, 08:48:32 PM
I will confess , I've learned from my mistakes . When I as about 14 I scoped a guy that didn't have his orange in my sight. I got a real tongue lashing for it and never forgot how it made me feel. that was 26 years ago and i have never done it again , I've taught my kids saftey and also not to cary a round chambered either. how long doe's it take to chamber a round?. It scare's me to see guys hit the woods with there buddies with there jeans half way off there ass , have they be taught right? As aparent this scares the hell out of me . i will say once i tougnue lashed a kid that was about 12 elk hunting with his brother 14 taking shots at anything that moved , if there dad would have showed up he'd probibly got an as kick'n too. this is one reason why i try to hunt more remote areas less weekend warriors too far to cary there beer.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: KimberRich on October 15, 2009, 10:58:27 AM
Well, Dman, I've left to go hunting with a full-sized t-shirt and came home with a half shirt tank top.  :chuckle:

Hilarious!!! I have come back to camp in a shirt with one sleeve for the same reason. LMAO.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 15, 2009, 07:55:47 PM
Well lets hope we don't get back next week and here about someone getting scoped.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: uncoolperson on October 16, 2009, 10:00:30 PM
good luck all, hopefully this year I get to join the "I've got a deer" club. after 3 years of not it's about my time right?
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 19, 2009, 01:21:30 PM
 Well I'm happy to announce that as far as I know my daughter and I were not scoped once this weekend, of course the fog may have played a role in this, reducing visability to 30 feet most of the time :chuckle:

 Will be back at it Thursday to finish out the week, crossing my fingers that everyone got bino's for Xmas last year :chuckle:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: PacificNWhunter on October 19, 2009, 01:29:41 PM
Good to hear phool!  I'll be heading over again to later this week.
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: halflife65 on October 19, 2009, 01:51:44 PM
Well I'm happy to announce that as far as I know my daughter and I were not scoped once this weekend, of course the fog may have played a role in this, reducing visability to 30 feet most of the time :chuckle:

 Will be back at it Thursday to finish out the week, crossing my fingers that everyone got bino's for Xmas last year :chuckle:

Me neither!  Might try to get out one more time with my aunt and uncle to try and help them locate a buck so I'm going to give that little *censored* that's scoping everyone one more chance...
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: huntnphool on October 19, 2009, 01:58:30 PM
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so I'm going to give that little *censored* that's scoping everyone one more chance...

 Well he wasn't in the Methow this weekend, maybe he drew a late permit this year, give those permit holders something else to be watching out for. :chuckle:
Title: Re: General Deer Opener
Post by: MichaelJ on October 19, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
  I am a guilty party on this but it was not my fault.  :bash:

Remember when you have a back pack on and are in the woods make sure people can see your back orange!!

I was up hunting a couple years ago and I entered this drainage and thought I kicked some thing up on the other side. All I could see was this brown patch moving up the other side around 200 yards away. I looked at with my nacked eye and thought for sure it was a deer. Even when i got my scope on him it took a few seconds for the guy to turn around a little before I even knew it was a person. Felt like an idoit but lets remember when you throw that back pack on you, people behind you cant see any orange.

This guy maybe had a 1/3 of what is legal showing of orange. Again I felt stupid and I dont think the guy even saw me do this. He should of had some orange on his back side.



Still no excuse, thats what binos are for...  Even if its a deer you shouldn't be scoping it.... basic hunters safety!

Michael
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