Post by: NataSS on October 08, 2009, 08:40:50 PM
Thanks!
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Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 08, 2009, 10:36:37 PM
Testar77 shot some last year. Nice and accurate.
-Steve
Post by: Gutpile on October 09, 2009, 05:59:02 AM
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Post by: yorketransport on October 12, 2009, 08:09:55 PM
Andrew
Post by: orchemo on October 13, 2009, 10:15:44 PM
Still working sighting it in, but like the 338 ME concept. Will have to see how the accuracy pans out.
Eric
Post by: Greg4829 on November 12, 2009, 08:37:09 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 12, 2009, 08:58:36 AM
Post by: Gutpile on November 12, 2009, 05:08:34 PM
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there was not one salvageable piece of meet on this deer:rolleyes:
You know, this really doesn't make sense. The whole deer? Absolutely no meat salvaged? Here's my personal experience. I shot a pronghorn doe at 115 yards and it thumped it hard. I hit a little far back (open sites) and yes it turned the guts into soup just like you described. I punched it once more behind the shoulder from 20-30 yards to finish it. There was no more bloodshot or meat damage than any other animal I've ever shot. Your friend is stretching things a bit. There's just no way I can believe one bullet with perfect placement ruined an entire deer from fragmentation. Flame on if you like but I simply do not believe this.
Post by: scoyoc5 on November 12, 2009, 05:18:13 PM
Post by: jdb on November 12, 2009, 05:18:45 PM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 12, 2009, 05:22:22 PM
oh and here is his review on cabelas.com
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"LeverEvolution in 30-30 Win failed terribly upon impact with the intended target (whitetail doe). The shot was taken at 50-60 yards broadside and what should have been a near perfect double lung shot; the impact site was textbook placed. The deer was hit but continued to sprint some two hundred yards. Upon inspection I immediately noticed that there was no exit wound. Once the field dressing was initiated it was obvious that the bullet completely disintegrated. It literally exploded inside the deer. I found no less than a dozen identifiable bullet fragments and countless fragment trails throughout most of the internal organs. It looked as though the guts had been run through a blender. Intestinal matter was transferred by the exploding bullet throughout the deer and no meat whatsoever could be salvaged. I have never witnessed a hunting round fail so dramatically as this.
I reported the incident to Hornady and they dismissed it, suggesting that I hit the paunch."
Would you recommend this product to a friend? No "
Post by: yorketransport on November 12, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
I have a question for some of the more experienced folks out there...The 45-70 round is only 325 grain, any reason not to have a hotter load than that?
The only way for Hornady to give the flatter trajectory to make those long range shots so easy was with the 325gr bullet. I don't know how hard you would have to push a 400gr bullet to get that kind of trajectory, but I bet it would be a "mild discomfort" to shoot. :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: Gutpile on November 13, 2009, 06:22:33 AM
Gutpile you can be as skeptical as you want. This bullet exploded in this doe. You know when you shoot a duck and there are pellet paths through the breast with some feather and blood....well imagine that all the way through all 4 quarters and backstraps, it was like the cajun injector from hell. You can say i dont know what i am talking about and all that jazz, but if you were there you wouldn't wish that meat on your worst enemy.
oh and here is his review on cabelas.com
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"LeverEvolution in 30-30 Win failed terribly upon impact with the intended target (whitetail doe). The shot was taken at 50-60 yards broadside and what should have been a near perfect double lung shot; the impact site was textbook placed. The deer was hit but continued to sprint some two hundred yards. Upon inspection I immediately noticed that there was no exit wound. Once the field dressing was initiated it was obvious that the bullet completely disintegrated. It literally exploded inside the deer. I found no less than a dozen identifiable bullet fragments and countless fragment trails throughout most of the internal organs. It looked as though the guts had been run through a blender. Intestinal matter was transferred by the exploding bullet throughout the deer and no meat whatsoever could be salvaged. I have never witnessed a hunting round fail so dramatically as this.
I reported the incident to Hornady and they dismissed it, suggesting that I hit the paunch."
Would you recommend this product to a friend? No "
Look at all the other reviews though. :chuckle: Holy cow it's clearly bs. There's no way in the world "a perfectly placed shot" would ruin every bit of meat on the animal. I'm sorry but no way. He absolutely gut shot it. No question. There's no way it liquified every organ in the deer. I'm not trying to be a dick but it's just not possible to liquify ALL of the inards and ruin ALL of the meat with one bullet.
Furthermore if this was a "textbook" lung hit and the bullet did that much damage would this deer have run 200 yards? Remember, it liquified everything. I've seen lung hit deer go a quite a ways but not 200 yards.
His discription is identical to mine except I admit I gut shot the pronghorn doe while he won't admit it. The evidence is clear to me.
That's all from me. Not trying to start a pissing contest so we'll have to agree to disagree.
Post by: Greg4829 on November 13, 2009, 06:23:18 AM
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but I bet it would be a "mild discomfort" to shoot.Ha yes...My brother offered up some buffalo bore 500 gr...After 8 rounds I was ready for a break. :tup:
Post by: CP on November 13, 2009, 06:46:45 AM
Post by: Gutpile on November 13, 2009, 06:54:19 AM
I have a question for some of the more experienced folks out there...The 45-70 round is only 325 grain, any reason not to have a hotter load than that?
The only way for Hornady to give the flatter trajectory to make those long range shots so easy was with the 325gr bullet. I don't know how hard you would have to push a 400gr bullet to get that kind of trajectory, but I bet it would be a "mild discomfort" to shoot. :chuckle:
Andrew
Agreed, this stuff is all about shooting flat. Thats why they chose that weight. It's still packs a pretty stout recoil though compared to other factory stuff. If I used the 45/70 more I'd probably load some up and see what I could come up with but the factory ammo is accurate in my rifle and it hits plenty hard for me. thats the only rifle I own that shoots factory ammo.
Post by: PA BEN on November 13, 2009, 08:20:30 AM
Gutpile you can be as skeptical as you want. This bullet exploded in this doe. You know when you shoot a duck and there are pellet paths through the breast with some feather and blood....well imagine that all the way through all 4 quarters and backstraps, it was like the cajun injector from hell. You can say i dont know what i am talking about and all that jazz, but if you were there you wouldn't wish that meat on your worst enemy.
oh and here is his review on cabelas.com
I love these rounds. But never shot an animal yet with them. I would like to know what grain of bullet he used that blew up this deer.
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"LeverEvolution in 30-30 Win failed terribly upon impact with the intended target (whitetail doe). The shot was taken at 50-60 yards broadside and what should have been a near perfect double lung shot; the impact site was textbook placed. The deer was hit but continued to sprint some two hundred yards. Upon inspection I immediately noticed that there was no exit wound. Once the field dressing was initiated it was obvious that the bullet completely disintegrated. It literally exploded inside the deer. I found no less than a dozen identifiable bullet fragments and countless fragment trails throughout most of the internal organs. It looked as though the guts had been run through a blender. Intestinal matter was transferred by the exploding bullet throughout the deer and no meat whatsoever could be salvaged. I have never witnessed a hunting round fail so dramatically as this.
I reported the incident to Hornady and they dismissed it, suggesting that I hit the paunch."
Would you recommend this product to a friend? No "
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 13, 2009, 03:01:01 PM
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I hit a little far back (open sites) and yes it turned the guts into soup just like you described.
Gutpile please don't take this as any kind of bitching argument, I like constructive reviews of equipment. We can argue all day on where this guy hit the doe, so there is no point in arguing that, my question to you is in regards to the quote above. When you hit this pronghorn, was there an exit hole? Or was the soup due to fragmentation? Because if it did fragment with no exit hole then it failed. I may not be a ballistic expert like some of the members on here, but from what i was told and what I have read in magazines was that the job of a bullet for big game is to expand or mushroom inside of the animal while obtaining maximum weight, in short deform without breaking apart. Would you agree?
Post by: jdb on November 13, 2009, 04:07:44 PM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 13, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
Post by: Gutpile on November 13, 2009, 05:14:21 PM
QuoteI hit a little far back (open sites) and yes it turned the guts into soup just like you described.
Gutpile please don't take this as any kind of bitching argument, I like constructive reviews of equipment. We can argue all day on where this guy hit the doe, so there is no point in arguing that, my question to you is in regards to the quote above. When you hit this pronghorn, was there an exit hole? Or was the soup due to fragmentation? Because if it did fragment with no exit hole then it failed. I may not be a ballistic expert like some of the members on here, but from what i was told and what I have read in magazines was that the job of a bullet for big game is to expand or mushroom inside of the animal while obtaining maximum weight, in short deform without breaking apart. Would you agree?
Mine both penetrated all the way through. The one through the guts didn't have too big a hole.... (silver dollar sized) the finish shot passed through with a little larger exit hole.
To answer your question yes, I want total pass throughs. Some folks on the other hand do not. They want the bullet to dump all of the energy within the animal. But I do want pass throughs except on coyotes. I want that bullet to blow up inside and not exit.
Post by: dasbear on November 13, 2009, 05:18:44 PM
Dasbear
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 13, 2009, 06:48:42 PM
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It might be easier to determine the reason if we knew what the cartridge, caliber and velocity was in this incident.
I will get a hold of him and ask him the specifics. I think he just signed up on the site, so i will ask him what his screen name is.
Gutpile, maybe it was the range and the velocity, or maybe it was the bullet, once i get the specifics from my friend then we will get some answers.
Post by: Gutpile on November 13, 2009, 06:50:25 PM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 13, 2009, 06:52:02 PM
Post by: dasbear on November 13, 2009, 07:34:34 PM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 13, 2009, 07:47:47 PM