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Title: How Many Shots?
Post by: huntnphool on October 13, 2009, 09:02:48 PM
 I seem to hear the same guy every year when sitting and glassing, I think he took a total of 13 shots last year that I counted. :bash: Seems he moves to different parts of the canyon each year but I always manage to hear where he is hunting the current year :chuckle:

How many of you hear some guy take 4-5-6+++ shots?
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: 7mmfan on October 13, 2009, 09:09:03 PM
Every year, someone takes 4 or more shots. Sometimes I think they are just shooting to shoot, but sometimes I just think about some guy or multiple guys shooting at a deer running up a hill 500 yards away. Dad always used this terminology for that, 1 shot=dead deer, 2 shots=maybe a dead deer, 3 shots= probably not a dead deer, 4 shots=poor *censored*. Beyond that is just irresponsible.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: luvtohnt on October 13, 2009, 09:10:32 PM
I watched a woman take 11 shots, then yell to her husband that she was out of bullets. If the deer would have been farther away from her I would have finished it off for her, rather than listen to it bawl.

Brzndon
p.s. typing with the wii takes forever.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 13, 2009, 09:15:54 PM
 Vail opening of late buck two years ago, first light I see a guy on the hill opposite, about 800 yds away lean over onto a stump and start firing away into the canyon below: BOOM, BOOOM.....BOOOM....BOOOM
.....BOOOOM,BOOOMM..........................BOOOOM,.................BOOOMMM.......BOOOOOOOMMMM

 Nine friggin times this guy caps off, I'm like WTH is he shooting at, a yeti????


 I run into the guys at the bottom of the hill late in the day, he killed a smallish spike. Only hit it two times.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: buckreaper on October 13, 2009, 09:17:37 PM
Seems like there's someone like that everywhere.  I agree with 7mmfan. After about three shots I always figure the deer is running for it's life and the person "doesn't know when to say when".  Most times the shots are so close together they can't possibly be taking the time to get on the animal.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: runningboard on October 13, 2009, 09:25:35 PM
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I agree with 7mmfan. After about three shots I always figure the deer is running for it's life and the person "doesn't know when to say when". 
once my brother asked if he could use my rifle, I had one of those cartridge holders on the stock, holds nine. he says "can I have some more?" I reply "If you miss that much, you should just stay home!"
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: littlebuf on October 13, 2009, 10:16:36 PM
last years opener i was sitting on a old cut above a lake and at first light it sounded like a firering squad going off, at least 12 shots then a little while later another barrage of gun fire. i couldn't figure it out but then i finally did. it was  the duck opener also, and its a popular duck lake
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: bankwalker on October 13, 2009, 10:31:15 PM
last year there was a guy and gal and i think maybe one more person shooting at a 2pt across a canyon...oh id say 400yds maybe farther. so me and my girlfriend ran to the end of the road to see what they were shooting at. we seen the deer broadside at about 200yds maybe more then that now that i actually think about it. the other people stop shooting, so i loaded up my gun for my gf. she takes a shot and misses, the deer trots about 80yds and stops. my gf racks another round and drops it dead in its tracks. it was only her second time ever shooting a gun bigger then a 22lr.

those people who were shooting first went 100yds down the road and started shooting again at a spike, 4-5 shots and they got thier spike. and drug it right up to where we were parked. from what my mom said, they didnt seem to happy to be outdone by a little girl  :chuckle:

Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 13, 2009, 10:41:38 PM
I watched a guy shoot 3 times at a deer at 300 yards.  The deer kept hearing things hit around it and was just looking around.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: dewandgin on October 13, 2009, 11:17:11 PM
Watched a guy shoot 15 times at a cow elk and kill it. First two crippled it and then he got the shakes really bad. Finished it off with number 16 at about 10yards.     Gutting it out and a 6pt bull ran out and stood right where we were standing shooting at the cow. Not one bullet left between us. I threw a rock and yelled but he still stood there for 15 more seconds before he trotted off.

Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 13, 2009, 11:32:43 PM
I guess I have been lucky or something. Every deer I have killed, has been a 1-shot kill.  :dunno:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: HuntingFanatic on October 13, 2009, 11:55:55 PM
I agree with 7mm as well. I have not needed more than one shot before.....I do believe I would stop If I needed to reload.

When I was 13 my dad emptied his rifle at an antelope at around 300 yds.....while he was reloading I dropped him in his tracks! (of coarse he was missing his front right leg by then! :chuckle:)
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: webbspinner on October 14, 2009, 12:12:33 AM
Watched two guys shooting from a road with lever 30-30s both empty their rifles at a standing deer.  Kinda thought He might be a decoy or something. they were reloading I suppose to start again and he walked over the hill.  Got in their old ford and motored off.  12 shots i believe at over 400-500 yrds from them. could'nt hardly believe it.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: DeerHarvester on October 14, 2009, 12:34:15 AM
Some peoples kids! :bash:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: mtndew on October 14, 2009, 12:45:49 AM
My signature says it all :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: webbspinner on October 14, 2009, 01:21:53 AM
Well put, my dad always said if your 1st or second shot didnt get it, the thirds just wastin bullets.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Fish4Fun on October 14, 2009, 06:23:27 AM
All of my shots on deer and elk have been one shot kills with a rare second shot once in a while. My brother on the other hand can punch holes in paper like you have never seen. Put a deer in front of him and all bets are off. In the last 3 years he has missed deer every year. his new name among all of us is now "2 Box Johhny"   :chuckle:  we figure he has shot at least 2 boxes of .300 Win Mag shells in that time.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: ing on October 14, 2009, 06:37:38 AM
Sounds like you are all expert marksmen (yeah right). I guess I'll be the first to say that I missed a buck 9 times.  Yeah I said it and I'll say it again, 9 times.  No excusses, no explanations and I'm not affraid to admit it.  So who else is gonna pony up? 
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Gobble on October 14, 2009, 07:01:13 AM
I missed 5 legal bucks opening weekend 5 yrs ago. I had only missed once prior to that. Found out that my scope came loose (20 yr old locktite powdered over time) and one of the deer I shot at was about a 170 5 pt  :bash:

It happens  :dunno:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: GoldTip on October 14, 2009, 07:08:41 AM
I'll be the first to admit I've missed a single shot now and again, but I have never taken a second shot at any animal that didn't kill it.  I've never emptied a gun at an animal or a group of animals.  I have however heard it done several times.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Fish4Fun on October 14, 2009, 07:38:54 AM
As hunters we owe it to the animal to make clean fast kills. That means we should ALL be out there making sure our guns are hitting on the money BEFORE season ever starts. Too many times I hear hunters say they didn't have time to go and check the zero before season. BULL CRAP, you have time to play golf, watch a football game, what ever other lame excuse. Then you had an hour to spare to shoot a couple of rounds to make sure you are on target. The reason most guys miss is because the only time they pick up the rifle is opening day of season.

ALL of my guns are tack drivers, and are shot to make sure they are. I went as far as setting up a Weatherby Vangard in .223 Remington complete with a Leopold Vari X-II just like our hunting rifes as a practice gun. The balistics of the .223 are pretty close to most hunting rounds out to about 200 yards. just no big kick like the .300 Weatherby has, and cheap to shoot all Summer long. This is going to be my girlfriends first year to hunt with me. She is ready because of the .223 and the practice we have put in. I have no doubt when her .257 Roberts barks on opening morning we will have meat on the ground.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Rick on October 14, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Sounds like you are all expert marksmen (yeah right). I guess I'll be the first to say that I missed a buck 9 times.  Yeah I said it and I'll say it again, 9 times.  No excusses, no explanations and I'm not affraid to admit it.  So who else is gonna pony up? 

No ponying up from me,I don't even carry 9 rounds into the woods. I have 3 in the magazine (actually holds 5) and I carry 3 more in my pocket.

I did shoot three times at a 130ish" blacktail (I was 14). I had a borrowed 30-06 that hadn't been shot in lord knows how long. I was aiming behind the shoulder and missed the first two times. I aimed behind the shoulder one last time and actually hit the deer in the neck. :chuckle:

Other than that,I don't remember having to shoot a deer more than once to drop it. I have shot a couple in the neck because they weren't quite dead when I walked up to them. I guess that counts as shooting them twice. :dunno:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 14, 2009, 07:47:43 AM
 I've only taken more than two shots on a deer once, the year my scope reticle blew out during the regular season and I had to get a whole new outfit for late buck and only had two weeks to learn it, never got comfortable with it. I ended up taking five at a buck that was on the run, hit him three times, two killing shots. Generally if I ever need to take a 2nd shot, it's a finishing shot. I'm nowhere near an expert shooter I just shoot within my ability level, I don't take 450 yard shots in the snow because I don't practice for that.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: let.it.fly on October 14, 2009, 07:54:25 AM
every deer has been a one shot kill for me, even with my bow. i have only gotten two with my bow but they both only went 20 yards. my bear on the other hand :guns: . just kidding. it was four shots with my bear. first hit mid back and crippled it. the other three were finishing shots from less then 30 yards. oh yea initial shot was from over 500 yrds. i know an unethical shot but this particular bear had an arrow in its face. throug hthe top of its muzzle,through the mouth and out the bottom of its jaw. and anyone who wants to challenge ability to shoot. i welcome it. the military trained me good.  :bfg:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on October 14, 2009, 07:56:57 AM
One is plenty.. hell I only put three in my rifle anyway.

On a side not Ive been out at Kenmore this week and its a pretty sad deal how awful your average shooter is....if I had a dollar for ever time I have herd "thats good enough to hit a deer"  Id be a rich man.   :(
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 14, 2009, 07:59:10 AM
My Dad used to work at the True Value Hardware store in Concrete. Every year, this one old guy would come in to buy his hunting license and tags. He would then buy one round of 30-06. According to him, that's all he ever needs.  8)
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: fishunt247 on October 14, 2009, 08:01:20 AM
I wonder if anybody who has heard a barrage of shooting listened to my mom on opening day last year. She practiced all summer, but you can't practice for buck fever on your first hunt (or any hunt)...PERIOD. She shot 7 times, the last one found its mark. The buck kept coming toward her, she kept shooting. Oh well. It's silly not to carry plenty of shells with you. *censored* happens: scope gets knocked off, people steal your deer, a not so great shot (it happens), weather swells your wood stock. Chances are you aren't going to need all those shells, but if you have to walk away from a wounded buck because you have nothing left to shoot, you are going to feel pretty *censored*ty about it.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: boneaddict on October 14, 2009, 08:02:03 AM
Idabooner has another old time story that I wish he'd tell here.  Its about an old man (might have been an Indian)  Let me see if I can fire up his fingers.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Heavily Armed Hiker on October 14, 2009, 08:11:49 AM
We camped next to this group of guys a couple of years ago that climb the hill near camp and wait for elk to walk through the opposite hill side.  Once the elk started walking through, they would unload.  They were taking 600+ yard shots, across a road, at a spike.  Just kept lobbing bullets until they finally connected.  A foot high and a foot to the left was their motto.  And we wonder how hunters get a bad name >:(
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: colockumelk on October 14, 2009, 08:13:56 AM
Here's my take on the subject. (I posted something like this in the bowhunting forum but it's very relavant to this subject)

 Just because you can shoot well at the range doesn't mean you will be a good shot when it counts in the field.  When I was in the Marine Corps I considered myself to be an excellant shot.  With  peep sights I could hit a man sized target at 500 yards 9-10 out of 10 times.  I looked down upon the police officers we all saw on tv in those shoot outs who missed time after time with their pistols at close distances, alway saying I could have done better.  I knew in my heart that if I was ever in a gun fight I'd be calmly taking well aimed shots because that's what I did in training.

Then in 2003 I deployed to Kuwait and then Iraq for the invasion.  When I got in my first gunfight I pulled the trigger and nothing happened.  Nothing happened because before I knew it I had emptied my 30 round magazine as fast as I could shoot three round bursts and hadn't yet realized I had even fired a single round.  After a few encounters I calmed down enough to take carefull shots using the controlled pair method like I had been taught in training.  The reason people shoot as fast as they can when they're nervous is because this is a natural reaction.  When people are scared or nervous with a huge adrenaline rush with your heart beat in the 170bpm range, without training we fire just as fast as we can.  Normally without aiming.

The point is is that it has been found that when your adrenaline goes through the roof and your heart is beating at 170 bpm you lose all of your fine motor skills which is what you use for accurate shooting.  There is nothing you can do about it.  When you are that excited you WILL lose all of your fine motor skills.  The only thing you can do about it is to learn how to control your excitement and adrenaline so that you do not hit 170bpm so you maintain your fine motor skills.  

So next time on tv when you see a cop or soldier firing rapid fire at a guy 20yds away and he misses every time don't be like me and say "I could do better" because you wouldn't be able to do better.  Unless you've been in multiple gun fights.

 
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: SilkWWU on October 14, 2009, 08:17:54 AM
One of the guys I know was elk hunting a few years ago, ran into an elk that had steel plating on its sides.  The Elk took 6 rounds before it finally went down.  When I say took, I mean it was hit 6 times.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: colockumelk on October 14, 2009, 08:20:20 AM
We camped next to this group of guys a couple of years ago that climb the hill near camp and wait for elk to walk through the opposite hill side.  Once the elk started walking through, they would unload.  They were taking 600+ yard shots, across a road, at a spike.  Just kept lobbing bullets until they finally connected.  A foot high and a foot to the left was their motto.  And we wonder how hunters get a bad name >:(

Was this in the Colockum.  The rifle season during the Colockum is a disgrace to the good name of hunting.  That is the land of multiple shots.  I've seen and heard guys shooting spikes that were easily 600-800 yds away SURROUNDED BY COWS!!!!  We should all thank god that PETA or the like do not go up there with their video cameras because the reputation of Washington hunters would be seriously damaged.  

The people of WA would get to see guys lined up on the roads slinging lead as fast as they can at a string of elk like a shooting gallery.  Or guys driving their ATV's all over closed roads with dead spikes on the back of their ATV's with limbs and heads dragging on the ground.  NOt saysing everyone up there does this but there is ALOT of that stuff going on.  
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: fisheral87 on October 14, 2009, 08:25:33 AM
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My Dad used to work at the True Value Hardware store in Concrete. Every year, this one old guy would come in to buy his hunting license and tags. He would then buy one round of 30-06. According to him, that's all he ever needs.

Well when you can walk out on your back porch with a stiff Irish coffee, sit down in your chair and get a good rest on the railing I'd only need one round too.  Unless it was my third coffee.   :)



Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Gobble on October 14, 2009, 08:34:02 AM
I missed 5 legal bucks opening weekend 5 yrs ago. I had only missed once prior to that. Found out that my scope came loose (20 yr old locktite powdered over time) and one of the deer I shot at was about a 170 5 pt  :bash:

It happens  :dunno:

Let me just clear something up so no one thinks I just pulled the gun out of the case opening day.

I ALWAYS shoot my rifle weeks before the season to make sure it dialed in from the previous year. . I did that year as well and instead of a 3 shot group that was the size of a quarter or less at 150 yrds this time it was 3 shots in a 3in group. I thought that was wierd but concluded that I must have been off that day. Un beknownest to me my 20 yr old locktite "Powdered" after I switched to High Energy rounds and nocked my scope loose (was not loose enough to rattle but loose enough to mess my pattern up) Just didn't want to give the wrong impression. I have NEVER missed an animal while benchresting up to that point, so I knew something was wrong.  
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: boneaddict on October 14, 2009, 08:47:22 AM
found it, Idabooner told it already.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,811.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,811.0.html)
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: halflife65 on October 14, 2009, 08:52:43 AM

The point is is that it has been found that when your adrenaline goes through the roof and your heart is beating at 170 bpm you lose all of your fine motor skills which is what you use for accurate shooting.  There is nothing you can do about it.  When you are that excited you WILL lose all of your fine motor skills.  The only thing you can do about it is to learn how to control your excitement and adrenaline so that you do not hit 170bpm so you maintain your fine motor skills.  


First of all, I want to say "thanks" to Colockum for his service to our country and that I don't presume to relate my experience to being in a gunfight with anybody anywhere - and hopefully I never am.

That being said, he's absolutely correct about nervousness and lack of fine motor skills.  I wish I could remember where I read this, but I found something that described the body's natural reaction to stress – there is nothing you can do about it when you become that stressed.  Experience and training are about the only thing that can overcome it.

When I was 12 or so, I was hunting for blacktails with my dad.  A little forky stepped out in front of us at about 100 yards and he told me to shoot.  I had beeen shooting really well at the range, but it wasn’t the best situation for a young kid to shoot his first deer and he might not have had me do that if he had to do it over again (parents learn, too.)   I had to shoot offhand and the rifle was a bit heavy for me.  I distinctly remember watching the deer going in and out of the scope and when I finally pulled the trigger I saw a geyser of dirt and snow erupt in front of us at about 30 yards.  I was in so much shock I just stood there and didn’t even put another shell in the gun.  Maybe some other people’s reaction to that situation would have just been to unload the gun at the deer.   My dad looked at me and told me to shoot again and I didn’t move.  He turned around and just shot the deer.  

After that experience he told me that if I can hold it together for 20 seconds I had the rest of my life to be excited.  It seemed like “no *censored*?” advice at the time, but it definitely gave me something of a mantra to concentrate on when I was younger and I’ve never had a meltdown again.  It happened once and that’s it.  I’ve since shot more deer than I can remember, some bears and some elk and, while I’ve missed, it wasn’t because I was overcome by excitement.  I’ve heard of bow hunters that have their process memorized before they shoot (grip, pull the bow back, select the right pin, make sure that it is level, concentrate on back muscles to squeeze the trigger, etc.)  to help them concentrate on something other than being too excited.  Maybe people that are overly excited need to slow things down for themselves and remember what they did in pracice to make a good shot.  And not take stupid 600 yard shots.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: colockumelk on October 14, 2009, 09:37:05 AM
Well said halflife.  There is a couple of books that are worth reading.  THey are "On Killing" and "On Combat"  THey talk about the Psychology of killing and the Physiology of killing.  THey speak about what happens to your body when your body hits the fight or flight stage which we all experience before we kill an animal.  While it mostly relates to combat it does use hunting as an example.

In fact our body goes through many of the same things when confronted with a huge buck or bull as it does when in a combat situation.  Here is what I would recommend doing to prepare for that moment.  Obviously we need to make sure our scope is on.  So go to the range and zero your weapon using a bench rest.  Once it's dialed in never shoot from a steady shooting position again.  Shoot like you would in the field.  If you use shooting stick then use them.  Obviously you can't simulate a 350 inch bull but you can do a 50 yd sprint with full gear on, do 20 pushups and then site in and give yourself 3 seconds to shoot. 

Be patient at first you wont hit crap.  But after you do things like this you'll be deadly.  Also for you "snipers" out there that plan or would even consider shooting out to 500 yds.  Practise at that distance.  Do you even know how much drop you have at that distance??? 

Here's a quick table for those of you that insist on shooting out to that distance.  If you don't believe me then google the Army Sniping Manual  "FM 23-10"

If you zero your weapon at 300 meters here is the amount of drop you should expect from your 30 caliber weapon.  So if your going to shoot that far then practise that far.  Also pleas read the following field manual so you know how to adjust for wind temperature, elevation etc.  Otherwise you will miss or worse wound an animal. 
http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/23-10/ch3.htm#fig3_24 (http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/23-10/ch3.htm#fig3_24)

400meters  14" of drop  (1ft 2")
500meters  34" of drop  (2ft 10")
600meters  59" of drop   (4ft 11")
700meters  93" of drop   (7ft 8")
800meters  135" of drop  (11ft 3")
900meters  187" of drop  (15ft 7")
1000meters  257" of drop (21ft 5")
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: wastickslinger on October 14, 2009, 10:09:33 AM
I dang near emptied a 20 round mini 14 clip one time. Sucker started out at a trot at about 300 yards, when I quit shooting he was at about 50mph at 600 yards. 4X scope, not meant for shooting that far but it was fun. I was watching snow fly all around him as he darted and weaved. It had to have been about 15-18 rounds. I cant believe I didnt hit em. 

......Coyote that is.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Gobble on October 14, 2009, 10:13:40 AM
I agree 100% Clockumelk.

I used to tape the ballistics chart on my gun so I knew EXACTLY how much drop my gun had at any given distance and with how much wind it shifted. Not that I would take a 500 yrd shot but you never know when the Buck/Bull of a lifetime may pop out and you have one opportunity to put it down. Now I just keep a laminated copy in my pack. I have shot coyotes out past 400+ and brought them down with one shot so I'm coinfident in my weapon and my ability but this is not for everyone.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: rudedawg1085 on October 14, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
i fired off 3 at a one deer last year, dident know the second one hit and finished it off with the third
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: youngchristof on October 14, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
four shots  running whitetail with a big dirt hill directly behind it.  250 yards  was a dandy buck   :bash:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: colockumelk on October 14, 2009, 11:04:25 AM
I dang near emptied a 20 round mini 14 clip one time. Sucker started out at a trot at about 300 yards, when I quit shooting he was at about 50mph at 600 yards. 4X scope, not meant for shooting that far but it was fun. I was watching snow fly all around him as he darted and weaved. It had to have been about 15-18 rounds. I cant believe I didnt hit em. 

......Coyote that is.  :chuckle:

That is hands down the best training and practise for deer and elk hunting marskmenship.  Give you the adrenaline rush of the hunt and also gives you realistic hunting situations.  Plus if you can hit a coyote at 400yds an elk is no problem. 
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Caseyd on October 14, 2009, 11:16:40 AM
One is plenty.. hell I only put three in my rifle anyway.

On a side not Ive been out at Kenmore this week and its a pretty sad deal how awful your average shooter is....if I had a dollar for ever time I have herd "thats good enough to hit a deer"  Id be a rich man.   :(

You there on Monday? I came through about 4.

I was one of those "it's good enough to hit a dear" but I put a 4 shot group right on target
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: Alchase on October 14, 2009, 11:55:05 AM
So next time on tv when you see a cop or soldier firing rapid fire at a guy 20yds away and he misses every time don't be like me and say "I could do better" because you wouldn't be able to do better.  Unless you've been in multiple gun fights.

Suppression fire, lol

In a lot of the shootout videos shown on TV you can actually see the fight or flight reflex in work. Many times do you see someone shooting while running away, then moving around erratically while trying to reacquire the site picture.
You can also see someone who has had CQC training when they are firing in a controlled manner never loosing the site picture and advancing tactically.
As colockumelk stated, the first time in actual combat is an eye opener and you better have had the right training and muscle memory to act instinctively.

First time combat confusion "Yo Mac, what the heck is that noise?" "Get your a$$ down you idiot those are bullets!"

I kid you not, lol

Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: KimberRich on October 14, 2009, 12:21:41 PM
I've missed on a few single shots and missed a damn nice buck with 2 shots.  Can't explain it..  I had actually forgotten about it until I read this thread and that was a good thing!!!
It was on eof the nicest WT I've ever seen in the woods.  80 yards broadside walking... Missed.  It takes of down in the timber and stops at about 160 yards quartering away.. Miss.   :bash:
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: mossback91 on October 14, 2009, 12:23:33 PM
I've missed on a few single shots and missed a damn nice buck with 2 shots.  Can't explain it..  I had actually forgotten about it until I read this thread and that was a good thing!!!
It was on eof the nicest WT I've ever seen in the woods.  80 yards broadside walking... Missed.  It takes of down in the timber and stops at about 160 yards quartering away.. Miss.    :bash:

happen to me last year!! :chuckle: trophy buck at 70 yards double miss!!!!! >:(
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: colockumelk on October 14, 2009, 02:41:23 PM
So next time on tv when you see a cop or soldier firing rapid fire at a guy 20yds away and he misses every time don't be like me and say "I could do better" because you wouldn't be able to do better.  Unless you've been in multiple gun fights.

First time combat confusion "Yo Mac, what the heck is that noise?" "Get your a$$ down you idiot those are bullets!"

I kid you not, lol

LOL that is so true.  On the road to Baghdad we got into a fire fight and I honestly don't remember firing that first magazine.  All I know is it would not fired.  I even started right into SPORTS before I realized it wasn't firing because my magazine was dry. 

Even after a bunch of firefights sometimes I'd have to calm myself down and remember to fire in controlled pairs.  There are so many things that happen to the body.  Some guys lose control of their bowels (a healthy dump before a patrol prevents this) many can't hear the loud explosions (known as auditory exclusion) and some see things for a minute in slow motion.  Some forget things and black out.  ie not recalling shooting my entire magazine.  Although I may have experienced auditory exclusion and not heard my rounds go off.  :dunno:  This is why on the range you gun is super loud but when you fire at a deer or elk you don't hear your shot.  It's because of auditory exclusion.

Either way, when you get buck fever and miss an easy shot it's because you get a monster adrenaline rush (fight or flight) and lose your fine motor skills.  It's not because you are a horrible shot.  Like I said good combat marskman are not necesarrily awsome shots at the range.  And awsome shots on the range are not necesarrily good combat marksman.   

When the moment of truth comes in the field combat/hunting being able to shoot a 1.5" group at the range means nothing.  Being able to control your emotions and heart rate does.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: elkaholic123 on October 14, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
This year up in Canada I shot at my bull 3 times,hit it all 3 times at 441 yards,I was
going to keep shooting until it dropped or ran out of sight!It went less than 30 yards!
Jerry
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: PolarBear on October 14, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
I live at the foot of Vail and like to work in my yard or pastures during opening weekend just to hear how many shots ring out.  Every opening morning I hear a couple of guys take at least 7-10 shots one right after another.  Year before last I took the kids to the Vail check station and there were 2 old dudes with a yearling button buck and  it had taken them 7 rounds from a 7mm mag to take this poor thing down.  They hit it with every round but continued to shoot until it stopped moving.  They probably got less than 10 pounds of meat out of the thing, what a waste.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: alanger on October 14, 2009, 05:20:30 PM
last year i took 5  :chuckle: :chuckle: it kept moving its head, i couldnt get the bead on it.

finally it caught a stray bullet
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: KimberRich on October 15, 2009, 09:30:38 AM
I've missed on a few single shots and missed a damn nice buck with 2 shots.  Can't explain it..  I had actually forgotten about it until I read this thread and that was a good thing!!!
It was on eof the nicest WT I've ever seen in the woods.  80 yards broadside walking... Missed.  It takes of down in the timber and stops at about 160 yards quartering away.. Miss.    :bash:

happen to me last year!! :chuckle: trophy buck at 70 yards double miss!!!!! >:(

Glad to hear I share my misery with others!  I'll have nightmares of that buck for the rest of my life.  Wide heavy horned 10 point. 140-150 class deer.
Title: Re: How Many Shots?
Post by: turkey buster on October 15, 2009, 11:22:43 AM
I was hunting in 2005 using my hand gun (454 casulle) been shooting it all summer it was shooting three in grooping at 75 yards I know thats not great but it was fair on opening day i pulled down this gated road and about 60 yards on the otherside of the gate was a very nice buck its sheds are posted on shed of 09 well I shot the first shot and was stoked looked like a good hit arched back jumped about 4' in the air and then started limping across the road I went ahead and put another shot at him and he walked off in to the brush I waited about a half hour and went to look for him I missed both shots completley 4 of us looked for three hours no sighn of a hit any ware no blood no hare nothing I was crushed I went out to the range that afternoon and checked my gun again it was shooting low the scope mount loosened up and my scope moved the worst thing about this story is my dad was standing rite behind me with his 30/30 we both thought he was hit my wife and went out to that area the next spring and I found his sheds (cofirmation he servived) chuck
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