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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: KimberRich on October 14, 2009, 11:44:11 AM
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With the modern season just days away I'm sure there are thousands of people out sighting in their guns this week.
I always read about guys with 3 shot groups touching at 100 yards, being able to put a nickel over a group, and Sub-moa.
I tend to shoot more than 3 shots myself.. Probably 5 at a minimum.. To make sure my rifles are zeroed before hunting with them. Honestly I have never shot a group of 3, let alone 5, that are touching. Maybe 3 that can be covered by a quarter and I'm happy with that.
What's your maximum acceptable shot grouping?
Like others have said..Let's refrain from the "My Winchester can hit a Gnats ass at 500 yards" or "My remington is a tack driver". Don't want another debate about which rifle is the best. Plenty of threads already debating that.
Just what your acceptable grouping is.
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5 shot groups within a quarter at 200 yards minimum.
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BS
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3 shots hundred yards quarter covering.
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For me and my hunting rifles, a group 3-5 shots from a rest that i can cover with a .50piece im fine with, now when shooting from various positions, sitting, kneeling, offhand and prone if i put 3 inside a 6inch circle im happy. I also practice shooting left handed (i'm a righty) but only from a good rest or sitting and if i get inside a 6inch circle im happy.
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From a vice i demand much better than that.
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Oh and My Browning .270 weatherby can hit a gnats gonaads at 1252.3 yds :chuckle:
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5 shot groups within a quarter at 200 yards minimum.
no disrespect but i'm calling b.s. too.
1.5" at 100 for hunting situations is good with me.
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If I can cover three shots with a quarter at 100 yards, I am plenty happy. If not, I will try a different load in the gun, sometimes just try a different day.
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5 shot groups within a quarter at 200 yards minimum.
:o :o :o :o :oMark
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3 shots hundred yards quarter covering.
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:yeah: Thats always my criteria
Realistically for any deer or elk sized prey if you can hold a 4" pattern that will kill any animal that size
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nah, no BS, used to do it all the time. We'd shoot thousands of rounds though to work up a load. Hell, we'd push it out to 400. Its totally doable. Now I think I'd be a 50 cent piece though. LOL
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I shot factory ammo and from a rest, 3 shots about an 1 1/2 inch to 2circle. Seems pretty good, sure it could be better but I have never had to shoot over two hundred yards for deer. :dunno:
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it also depends on the cal anything under 30-06 i want usally 1" but anything bigger 300 win 300 ultra 338 etc i am more than fine with 1.5 at 100 yards 5 shots at 200 yard minimum you should be shooting all the comp and winning if you can do that i have been around alot of great shooters and i have never heard the term 200 yard minimum come up when talking about groups because that implys even out to 1000 yards 5 shots in a quarter now thats not right
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I want under an inch at 100. If I can get 3/4" I'm happy. Touching I'm ecstatic. Depends too on the Caliber. 1 1/2" with my 350 Rem Mag is fine, My yote guns are both around 1/2". My 260 is about 3/4"-1", so on and so forth. But to make it easy I just want 1" or better. I use 3 shots to develope a load and 5 when I find a really good one. Usually 3 though.
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For the Mrs elk rifle I held it offhand and put it on the eyeball of the "3d" flat target I got for her (an elk print) I stuck it on its eyeball and pulled the trigger. 2 inches high, dead on left to right 100 yards. Then gave her the gun and told her to shoot it up.
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5 shot groups within a quarter at 200 yards minimum.
no disrespect but i'm calling b.s. too.
1.5" at 100 for hunting situations is good with me.
I agree on both comments here.
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In a deep West Virginia accent............"I can hit a pie plate at a 100 yards."
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There are a good many rifles on the market that can shoot MOA out of the box. Tens of thousands of them that won't even with hand loads. A good many people can't shoot MOA with that rifle that can.
For a big game hunting arm, 1.5 MOA at any distance is good for me. For a varmint gun -something less than .240cal, I'll demand MOA and better.
-Steve
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:yeah: well said jack
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In a deep West Virginia accent............"I can hit a pie plate at a 100 yards."
Bone Now youv'e done it.......You pulled the pie plate card :chuckle:
I almost said that earlier but I figured it would rile up the troops. You used to hear that all the time, If you can hit a pie plate at 100 yrds it will kill a deer, Unfortunately thats pretty true. I hold myself to higher standards though
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as long as the laser on the boresighter hits the 10 ring Im good to go!! :P
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I like to see a 3 shot group inside an inch at 100yds 2 inches high.
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as long as my first 2 shots are within an inch, and the 3rd is within 2 inches of the first 2 then im more then happy.
i use to go to the range all the time, was a great shot. but i think i have lost of shooting ability
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Call BS all you want but I shot competition rifle and handgun for many years and yes, I sight my rifles in at those tolerances. Try shooting more than a couple of days a year and you can do it as well.
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BS You said we could call it all we want. 8)
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If I'm shooting for "hunting" type groups, then MOA is fine...If I'm shootin one of my customs, it better be half MOA or better, or I'm threatening to throw it over the hill into the brush! :chuckle:
That's just my standards though....saw a guy cleanly miss a huge bull at 40 yards broadside with a 7mm this year, so his standard must be (in a strong West Virginia accent) "If I can hit a barndoor at 100 yards, it's good enough"
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Call BS all you want but I shot competition rifle and handgun for many years and yes, I sight my rifles in at those tolerances. Try shooting more than a couple of days a year and you can do it as well.
i'd like to know what you're shooting to do that...i shoot more than a couple times a year. you're talking about 1/4 moa out of a hunting rifle. i'm assuming it's a custom rifle with handloads?
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............"I can hit a pie plate at a 100 yards."
Standing, I can hit a 10" plate 9 of 10 times at 200m with iron sights and every time with optical sight. With optical sight, the plate can get a lot smaller if I change to a supported shooting position.
Anything other than that is unacceptable to me.
So, that doesn't relate to the accuracy of the rifle, but does combine the rifle and shootists capability.
-Steve
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Carefull Jackalope.. :chuckle:
He doesn't list the caliber. And that's 1/2moa. Certainly possible out of nearly any of the 6mm cartridges with good hunting barrels.
-Steve
-And I do know people with 7mm and .30cal hunting rifles that can do it too.. Not as many, but with a good schillen barrel or such.. Possible.
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This is simply a personal thing. Figure out your own effective range with your set up and shooting style, then stick to it. The grouping size is relative and not worth arguing, really. It's more about kill zones and taking ethical shots. One shot in the kill zone at 141 yards when you're out of breath leaning against the side of tree is better than 3 shots inside a quarter on a bench at 200 yards. :twocents:
The point is, just practice and take ethical shots. The rest will work itself out.
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i'd like to know what you're shooting to do that...i shoot more than a couple times a year. you're talking about 1/4 moa out of a hunting rifle. i'm assuming it's a custom rifle with handloads?
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Call BS all you want but I shot competition rifle and handgun for many years and yes, I sight my rifles in at those tolerances. Try shooting more than a couple of days a year and you can do it as well.
to say that we don't shoot more than a couple times a year is stupid because you don't know and what gun what load are they hand loads what about wind drift or titlt of the earth i am sure you know how to compisate for that as well lol
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An inch at 100yds is fine for me out of a hunting rifle. However, I base my accuracy out past in the 300-600 yard range. :twocents:
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Big game rifles... 1.5 MOA or better is acceptable for me.
Varmint/predator rifles... 0.75 MOA or better.
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Call BS all you want but I shot competition rifle and handgun for many years and yes, I sight my rifles in at those tolerances. Try shooting more than a couple of days a year and you can do it as well.
to say that we don't shoot more than a couple times a year is stupid because you don't know and what gun what load are they hand loads what about wind drift or titlt of the earth i am sure you know how to compisate for that as well lol
Kinda like the incoherent statement that you just made?
I have owned 2 rifles that I am capable of doing that with, one a custom H&K 91 with a 26" heavy barrel and my current custom worked Springfield 30-06. I shoot factory loads with a bench rest and take my time shooting. I've been shooting since I was 5 (even shot for the Federal Ammunition team in my teens) and take it very seriously. I didn't realize that it was such a big freaking deal.
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I know of shooters with your abilities Polar. What they can do amazes me! Wish I had the time to do so myself.
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I didn't realize that it was such a big freaking deal.
Kinda what I was thinking. I thought that was the whole point of shooting alot. I wish I did more of it. I shoot Remington 700's that have had their beddings glassed. now if you wre talking quarter sized groups at 600 I might harass ya. Hell there is a guy on here bragging hitting a 50 cent piece at 80 yards every shot with his bow. I think that would be worth may more ribbing.
back to the original question.
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quarter size
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My guns are guaranteed 1" group but that is not good enough.
I want one ragged hole.
So 3 or 5 shots will not do for me. By about 50 shots I have one ragged hole about 2".
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we are not talking about the best groups you have ever shot in your life what is incoherent about my statement nothing. if you are that good of shot that nothing bigger than that is o.k. you must really be the best shooter on here sure i shoot more than a few times a year and i am sure i shoot almost as much as anyone on here in the last 2 weeks i have 9 times and since one time was with 22 lr i shot more than 2500 rounds in one day probably more than you shot all year i have been shooting since i was 2 years old bb gun lol you just need to take a breath and calm down lol and of course you going to catch crap for a statement as bold as that its pretty silly to have those standards for hunting as i am sure alomst everone will agree since we are talking hunting and not just benchrest shooting.
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Take a deep breath yourself.....................
its pretty silly to have those standards for hunting
Some folks take hunting very seriously. I'd be careful who I was getting in a pecker measureing contest with on here. There are more hardcore folks on here than you might find anywhere at one time.
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lol i agree bone and i don't want to get into a pecker measuring contest some of you might have seen my porn videos lol and it might make you cry lol i know there is alot of hardcore guys and good for them i idalize those people good for them its great to have high standards
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20 minunites ago I shot a 3 shot group that can be covered with a dime at 100 yards. I not happy because they aren't through the same hole where its hard to tell how many shots went through the hole. I shoot alot like some of the other posters and have some custom rifles that shoot through the same hole if the shooter is capable. I maniacal about it. I keep notebooks of loads and shoot more than most people I know...
5 shots sub-moa at 200 isn't that hard people.. :dunno:
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5 shots sub-moa at 200 isn't that hard people..
a moa at 200 yards though is 2". i would agree with you there.
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Honestly some of the stuff I just saw would make any serious shooter cry...... there are some real yahoo's out there :twocents:
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thats right jackelope didn't even think of that a 2" group at 200 yards is not hard to get
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10 shots. 65+yds. It could have been me, but I blame the flier on the wind. Yes, I demand that out of that rimfire rifle. Packin it in the woods is a bitch though.. Weighs 13.5 pounds. :chuckle:
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I like shooting the critters. Not holes in paper targets.
3 shots with a one inch grouping at 100 yards is just fine for me. :twocents:
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I like shooting the critters. Not holes in paper targets.
I like both.
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1 1/2'' will work. My guns shoot better than that which is a bonus. Most guns these days shoot better than the folks shootin em. Like Ray, I too would rather shoot meat than paper, though I'm getting back into it now I have my bench/range built..
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this works for me. TIKKA the heavy lines are 1 inch apart. 5 rounds/100
Carl
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i enjoy shooting in general. i like that i have a rifle that shoots a 1" group if i do my part. a guy who's good with a rifle could sit in behind my shooter and do better than me most likely. accurate rifles are neat.
a guy that can shoot .25 or .5 off a bench is gifted. most guys can't shoot under 1" i know i can't but i know my rifle can.
if i put it in a vise thats a different story, but thats a great way to get sighted in too.
bugholes at 50-60 with the rimfire is a hoot, i could do that all day.
the shooting part i mean, not sure about the bug holes but it's fun trying.
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I like shooting the critters. Not holes in paper targets.
I like both.
Sounds good to me. Not knockin' anyone. I prefer to shoot archery a lot more when it comes down to launching things down range. Nothing like flinging objects from a string.
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This is a group my 257 shot, 5 shots at 100. Not too shabby for a Ultra Light factory rifle, shooting factory fodder....
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Yes, its in a frame. grin...
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Yes, its in a frame. grin...
and on the wall?
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what the whole on the bottom right is that a flyer lol just messin that is a great group
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I know a 12yr old gurl that can out shoot most of us. She shoots better than 5", 20 shot groups at 500yds from the prone position.
Most of you can't even get into the prone position.
-and yes, she's also a hunter. Accuracy to her is, well... pretty important. As a competitor and as a hunter.
-Steve
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Right now my rifle is averaging about 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. Which I know is probably fine for hunting, just something about sub MOA that is bugging me I guess. These are with federal premium Nosler accubonds, and for some reason the rifle likes to either string shots (a line of shots that gets lower as the barrel gets hotter) or it will really piss you off and you'll get the first shot right where your aiming, 2nd shot is 1 1/4 inches off and the 3rd shot is touching the first one! :bash:
I haven't had the chance to try any other bullets in my rifle, partly because I'm too cheap to go out and drop 40-50 bucks on a box of bullets that might only shoot a 2 inch group outta my gun. Someday I'll try something different.
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because I'm too cheap to go out and drop 40-50 bucks on a box of bullets that might only shoot a 2 inch group outta my gun
Then buy a box of Remington CoreLokts and be done with it!
Sounds like you've got a stock/action fit issue. Stringing with warm barrel shots is one thing. 'Consistant flyers' are something else.
-Steve
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my a-bolt loved the fed. premiums with the barnes triple shocks. you might give them a go too.
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Most of you can't even get into the prone position.
:chuckle: Too funny! :chuckle: The getting up part is the problem!
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2" group at 40 yards... archery
1" group at 100 yards 3" high... rifle
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All my rifles will shoot under 1" at 100 yards consistently, some well under 1", some just barely under 1". I'm happy with undeer 1 MOA but the rifle has to be able to shoot under 1 MOA at longer distances too. I start my load work at 100 yards, if I find a load I'm happy with then I stretch thing out. If I cant get the rifle to shoot at 100 yards then theres a problem, If I dont fix the problem then the rifles goes down the road.
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I am not much of a bench rest guy after I work up a good load. I shoot from hunting positions after that. No need to have bench rest accuracy where I hunt because you dont have time to worry about it. Out of all the bucks and bulls that I have either shot at or killed only one of them was past 100 yards away.
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one inch groups at 100 yards at the bench if I could shoot that in the field I'd be estatic. if I hit the pie plate at 3-400 yards with wind and angle I'm happy . have killed a couple of deer at 425 ish using a fence post or a pack . my recomendation is take the time for one clean shot insted of five lousy ones. no your ballistics and take the time to apply them simple math.
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I went and double checked my 7mm Mag today since I figured it would be a little off with the way I've been beating the hell out of it lately. Anyway 6 shots at 190yds inside the bullseye is good enough 4 me.
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Bullseye! On the first one! Thats all I care about. I won't need the other two, four.
When load developing though, less than an inch at 100 is sufficient.
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I like to see a 3 shot group inside an inch at 100yds 2 inches high.
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I have rifles and loads that shoot better but with the time I have for practice and the ranges (under 400 yards) that I limit myself to this is plenty sufficient.
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1 1/2 inch maximum group size at 100 yards is my rule of thumb. Usually I get 1 inch or less groups, but a rifle/cartridge combination that will do 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards is plenty good for shooting out to 300 yards and maybe a little farther, which is about as far as I ever intend to shoot.
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Quarter size or smaller at 200yds using 5 shots. This is after I have my loads dialed in...
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Weatherby Mark V Accumark chambered in 300 WBY MAG. Factory 150 grain soft point Weatherby ammo. 100 yards, first two touching. More than good enuf for me.
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Miles, do you shoot a musket? :chuckle:
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For my .338 off sticks Id like to see 1.5-1" with 3shots at 100yds with my yote gun .5" of sticks.
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Paper plate at 50 yards ;)
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am i crazy or is 10" at 100 and a paper plate at 50 acceptable? I couldn't feel confident shooting any further than 50 or 100 if thats how i sighted in......even at that I wouldn't feel confident i could hit the animal in the correct location.
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am i crazy or is 10" at 100 and a paper plate at 50 acceptable? I couldn't feel confident shooting any further than 50 or 100 if thats how i sighted in......even at that I wouldn't feel confident i could hit the animal in the correct location.
Pretty sure that those people are joking. Nobody in their right mind thinks that's acceptable.
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I should have clarified the original post more...
I was thinking about big game rifles when I started the topic and should have stated that. I also demand more from my varmint/coyote guns like most of you.. As for bench rest and competition rifles thats a different story.
From what I've read the average acceptable group so far is around 1" at 100 yards.
My opinion is that if you can shoot a .25" group of 5 shots at 200 yards out of a non custom gun with factory ammo, you should quit your day job and become a professional shooter. I'm not saying it isn't possible but I would have to witness it to believe it. :dunno:
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Group size is a range thing and by its self it doesn’t mean squat in a hunting situation. Shooting a one hole doesn’t put meat on the table if it is 2 feet off your point of aim. POA plus or minus 4 inches (8” group) may sound sloppy but it is good enough to put an animal down effectively. If I am confident that I can achieve that I will take the shot. The range will vary with the situation, weapon I’m using, off-hand, solid rest, leaning against a tree, wind speed, how hard I’m breathing, etc, etc, etc.
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Group size is a range thing and by its self it doesn’t mean squat in a hunting situation. Shooting a one hole doesn’t put meat on the table if it is 2 feet off your point of aim. POA plus or minus 4 inches (8” group) may sound sloppy but it is good enough to put an animal down effectively. If I am confident that I can achieve that I will take the shot. The range will vary with the situation, weapon I’m using, off-hand, solid rest, leaning against a tree, wind speed, how hard I’m breathing, etc, etc, etc.
Sure, bench shooting in an unpressured environment is A LOT easier than shooting under pressure. But if you know that you can trust your rifle to be very accurate and precise, it gives you that much more confidence in your shot. The more confidence you have (and I don't mean the kind of over-confidence that leads to poor shot selection) the less nervous you'll be and the better chance you'll make a good shot.
I think that it's important to be able to shoot well at the range because it helps you in a hunting situation - where excitement can get to you.
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Groups are nice and I can shoot sub-moa but it's the first shot that counts.
Cold barrel, like it was a game animal and you had one shot to drop it.
That's how I look at my hunting rifles.
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Group size is a range thing and by its self it doesn’t mean squat in a hunting situation. Shooting a one hole doesn’t put meat on the table if it is 2 feet off your point of aim. POA plus or minus 4 inches (8” group) may sound sloppy but it is good enough to put an animal down effectively. If I am confident that I can achieve that I will take the shot. The range will vary with the situation, weapon I’m using, off-hand, solid rest, leaning against a tree, wind speed, how hard I’m breathing, etc, etc, etc.
so say u shoot an 8" group at 100..........would you feel comfortable shooting a deer at 300.....i mean shooting AT a deer at 300.
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:)It is not the recoil of a light rifle that I do not like, I do not like shooting them off hand, a little weight is a lot of steady, that said, there are other things I do not like about Kimber and Cooper.
Carl
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.5" for 3 at 100yds on my big game rifles. All shooting done for pure accuracy as that is what I try to determine. Will not hunt with it if 1" or larger. Yes I reload, gunsmith, and do what ever it takes. If it won't do 1" or less then time for a trade or re-barrel, or ? My Varmint guns have to be under .5". Most factory guns will do it with reloads, bedding, trigger, and a lot of load developement.
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Im happy with 1" groups at a hundred,all my guns except for the muzzy will do that and I dont reload..hitting a pie plate and calling it good aint right in my mind,but I aint right anyway :P
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i usually sight in my rifle at 200 yards , my latest group at 200 is from 0.5 inch to less than 1 inch max ,but it is shooting from sand bag . I have 308 Remington SPS tactical ,20 inch heavy barrel . As scope is Leupold . We did bedded rings ,and we put double tapes at scope mounts which really improve groups .I have a buddy who do same groups with his custom semi auto Fulton in 308 .No BS .
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My featherweight and I can get .75 groups at 100 using cheap ammo, if I couldn't do at least under an 1" grouping at 100 from a bag or sticks, I would get a new rifle/scope/mounts or take up horse shoes.
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With all this being said, and not to get off topic, being able to find the game and get in a steady position to take the shot in the field and make it count, is what it all boils down to. Confidence is very important. :twocents:
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Yep agreed, Being able to calm nerves is another important factor in the field and shooting straight, it's funny how bad one can shoot when one gets the fever, so much for 1" groups then! Not that I would know. :rolleyes:
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:)Groups are great and do boost confidence. but delivery under hunting conditions is different. I see lots of guys I know shoot (practice) at a bench sitting down. That aint much.
How do you do standing sitting leaning quickly laying wet dim light sun in eyes, this is what needs practice.
Carl
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:)Groups are great and do boost confidence. but delivery under hunting conditions is different. I see lots of guys I know shoot (practice) at a bench sitting down. That aint much.
How do you do standing sitting leaning quickly laying wet dim light sun in eyes, this is what needs practice.
Carl
actually sun glare in scope I am getting down pretty good...sitting on the ground off my knee is going well..off stumps kneeling or standing yep.....haven't tried prone yet need shooting sticks as well.......I am pretty good IF I have something to rest on and it doesn't take much I just cannot yet keep my rifle still enough off hand.....and my groups looked a hell of a lot better off a bench with a proper rest... they were touching a whole lot more often than off all the crap found at clearcuts and gravel pits :chuckle: :chuckle: I like practicing though and my goal is always to have them touching...I don't reach my goals every time but keep improving.....
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All my rifles shoot under 1 MOA or they get worked on, until they do or I sell them. My Sako .338 will put 3 under a quarter at 200 when I do my job right off the bench. When I shot a lot, I was shooting almost 2000 rounds a summer in my rifles (none of them smaller than a .257 A.I.). I just love the smell of burnt gunpowder. My BLR will shoot shoot sub moa also, not bad for a lever gun, with a creepy trigger.
To answer the original question, it has to be Sub MOA for me, since I shoot nothing but handloads anymore. As for real life practical shooting, I worked up a practice for myself. I would save all my gallon milk jugs, fill em with water, add red food coloring. I would find a good clearcut and grab some jugs start walking, setting a jug on this stump, next to that log, etc.... no yardage marker, no range finder. Go back, load up the rifle, and shoot the jugs, sitting, kneeling, off hand. It was great practice, and I got instant gratification watching the red explosion.
sorry if I rambled on and jacked the thread.
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I do that too Huntbear, I like using the plastic quart oil jugs, try freezing them first sometime, makes a big "Poooof! I bought some out of date canned goods once too, the beets were great!
Carl
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I do that too Huntbear, I like using the plastic quart oil jugs, try freezing them first sometime, makes a big "Poooof! I bought some out of date canned goods once too, the beets were great!
Carl
Oh I bet the beets were cool :yike:....I want to try this milk jug and dye thing one of these days.
I had the hubby and the kid and myself out back a couple weeks ago we were blasting cans and skeets and a target...with the shotguns and the 22 we only have about 30-40 yards behind the shop but it works when we can't get up to the woods.....it all started because I wanted to figure out how to shoot the.410 then the guys drug out all their turkey shot that is no longer legal pretty sure the neighbor really hates me now :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Find yourself a real old barn...go inside, load and start shootin...if you hit the broadside, your good to go. :chuckle: :chuckle:. Joke. 100 yards and a quarter. I sight in 3" high at 100 yards with my 270. Seems to work for me :twocents:
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with my iron sights, and my required 8 or so inches of hold under required at 50-100. I'm feelin comfy nockin clay off sticks at 100 yards 3/4ths of the time.
If I want to shoot flies off paper targets I've got a rifle for that.
(reminds me, next time I go out shootin, gotta remember to put some bacon grease on the target)
I should add, I shake like a madman all the time (hereditary tremor). I know my limits and keep to them (clay at 200 ain't happening, so anything but a target at 200 with these iron sights ain't happen).
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i dont shoot groups... those bullets are too expensive to robinhood like that. errrr....aah...hmmm... nevermind. :bash:
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I think my biggest issue with shooting groups is consistancy.. I just hate "flyers" I can live with a gun that shoots every single shot under 1/2" without ANY flyers.
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Ok here is a really silly question.....what is moa? I can shoot....and shoot accurately, but, feel stupid not knowing what this means! I sighted in my rifle the other day and put all 3 shots an inch high of where i was aiming....so I called it good.(and yes a quarter could have covered them)
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Minute of Angle
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thank you sir.
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went and shot my rem tactical 308 today shot three shot groups that touched with fedral premium 165 barnes x , with factory trigger setting , I went home and lightened the trigger up a bit felt a little stiff should be set to fly , figured I'd shoot the bdc redical next week hope it works with that load.