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Big Game Hunting => Other Big Game => Topic started by: Ironhead on October 22, 2009, 06:06:52 PM

Title: Giant Stone
Post by: Ironhead on October 22, 2009, 06:06:52 PM: I found this pic on another site. I had never seen this pic before. Scroll down to the ram pic it's amazing "http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?t=241443.
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Post by: shanevg on October 22, 2009, 06:10:18 PM: Here's the pic. Awesome sheep, I have never seen it before.
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Post by: Ironhead on October 22, 2009, 06:11:45 PM: Thanks Shane.
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Post by: popeshawnpaul on October 22, 2009, 06:37:40 PM: Famous Chadwick ram. The holy grail of sheep hunting envy... :drool:
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Post by: Huntbear on October 22, 2009, 07:02:34 PM: Damn, that would make even me want to hunt sheep. WOW!
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Post by: popeshawnpaul on October 22, 2009, 07:22:36 PM: It is an inferior "thinhorn" sheep though... :chuckle:
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Post by: Hoythunter on October 22, 2009, 07:36:35 PM: Dang near looks like a Marco Polo Ram - unreal
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Post by: River on October 22, 2009, 07:39:41 PM: So anyone know the story behind the 'Chadwick Ram' ?
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Post by: popeshawnpaul on October 22, 2009, 07:44:50 PM: The story is in one of my Jack Oconnor books. I think it was the 30's and the hunter wounded it and one of the guides finished it off. I think they were meat hunters if I remember the story correctly.
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Post by: PacificNWhunter on October 22, 2009, 08:43:12 PM: That's was dreams are made of, incredible animal.
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Post by: blacktailer on October 22, 2009, 09:25:07 PM: Considered my many the Grestest North American Big Game Animal ever harvested by a hunter and I would agree. Awesome Ram!!!!!
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Post by: Ellensburg on October 22, 2009, 09:56:09 PM: Where are the horns now?
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Post by: popeshawnpaul on October 22, 2009, 10:54:33 PM: I think it's still in Cody, Wyoming. An unbelievable ram and the only one ever to have 50" horns or larger on both sides including all rocky sheep.

http://www.petersenshunting.com/content/our-greatest-trophy
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 22, 2009, 11:06:45 PM: that is so cool love the old pics
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Post by: Hornseeker on October 23, 2009, 03:21:30 PM: I just saw it at the Buffalo Bill Museum... It was absolutely unreal... if you google it, I'm sure you can come up with all kinds of stuff on it. Chadwick was also a very interesting dude... he was an inventor and a genius... back in the day...way BACK...he invented this contaption that...if you drove a road, it would record the corners and such... then... you could go back through there and not even steer... it was wild....

The Chadwick Ram
Taken by L.S. Chadwick in 1936, this ram scores 196-6/8 points. This trophy is currently part of the Boone and Crockett Club's National Collection of Heads and Horns at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming.

Basic information
- Score: 196-6/8
- By whom killed: L.S. Chadwick
- Locality killed: Muskwa River, B.C.
- Date Killed: 1936
- Owner: B&C National Collection

Key Measurements:
- Length of horn: Right: 50-1/8 Left: 51-5/8
- Circumference of base: Right: 14-6/8 Left: 14-6/8
- Circumference at 3rd quarter: Right: 6-6/8 Left: 7
- Greatest spread: 31
- Tip to tip spread: 31
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Post by: Hornseeker on October 23, 2009, 03:25:20 PM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petersenshunting.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fslideshow_image%2FHM_ram_0605A.jpg&hash=77640bb38d6068b050b95e78732a1b5871030688)
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Post by: coachcw on October 26, 2009, 07:35:04 PM: I was wondering if those super long lamb tips hurt his score or if that super length makes up for them. looks like it would realy hurt his mass scores? awsome ram for sure.
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Post by: Ironhead on October 26, 2009, 10:46:36 PM: Thats why they call them thin horn sheep, they don't get much more mass than that.
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Post by: coachcw on October 27, 2009, 06:22:24 AM: right , so if his lamb tips where back say six inches do you think his 1-3 mass measurements would make him score higher ie would he pick up more than 12 inches of mass ?
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Post by: popeshawnpaul on October 27, 2009, 03:02:26 PM: Good question Coach. Let's try and figure it out...

Key Measurements:
- Length of horn: Right: 50-1/8 Left: 51-5/8
- Circumference of base: Right: 14-6/8 Left: 14-6/8
- Circumference at 3rd quarter: Right: 6-6/8 Left: 7
- Greatest spread: 31
- Tip to tip spread: 31

Ok, if he broomed 10" off each horn and he was 40" x 40", His mass measurements would go up. However, his bases will still be roughly 15" x 15". I would say the next mass would be 14"x14", and the next would be 12" x 12" and the 3rd quarter might be 10"x10". That would score out to 182". So he's losing 20" in length but not gaining enough to make up for it. In most cases I think you get more score from more length than if you are broomed off. What's interesting is how many rams there are like this out there that just broke off their tips...
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Post by: AKBowman on October 27, 2009, 04:28:35 PM: I've seen that ram before, it is insane. I've personally seen a mount of a 46" dall but it had 12-3/8" bases...didn't even make the book (scored around 168) but it was a curl and a half. Crazy looking sheep. If you want to see a crazy sheep check out the cover of this book "sheep hunting in AK" by Tony Russ. The picture was taken out the window of a Super Cub, this ram lived in an area of about 800 yards its last 4 years in the Wrangells. You couldnt get to it and the ram knew it. Experts judged this sheep to be between 185 and 188. They think the right horn was around 46-48". The sheeps been dead a long time.

http://www.amazon.com/Sheep-Hunting-Alaska-Hunters-Guide/dp/0963986902
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Post by: Ironhead on October 27, 2009, 04:51:37 PM: If you deducted 6" per side in length and added 6" per side in mass I think they would equal out.
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Post by: Ironhead on October 27, 2009, 06:24:48 PM: These pics are from the same site I took the chadwick pic from.
Check out the length on this Rocky I think he was an unofficial 193ish. Then a dead ram they found on the same hunt with some serious mass 40"4/8 on one side and 40" on the other, 199ish unofficial.
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Post by: popeshawnpaul on October 27, 2009, 07:41:13 PM: I would take the top ram even though it doesn't score as well. I like pretty wussy rams that don't chip their lamb tips. ;)