Post by: Oneshot1Kill on October 24, 2009, 09:58:36 AM
Thanks ya'll
Post by: Gutpile on October 24, 2009, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: Oneshot1Kill on October 24, 2009, 10:06:59 AM
Post by: Gutpile on October 24, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: Blacklab on October 24, 2009, 10:13:39 AM
Post by: Ray on October 24, 2009, 10:16:43 AM
So which would be the best then? And i want it so it wont completely destroy the ground squirrels(like my 30-06 does or 7mm-08). But it still has to kill a coyote. Usually the coyotes are closer then 300, more around 200-250 but to be able to hit something out to 300yds and kill it is my goal(and i'm a good shot so i just need a good gun)
.223
Post by: Oneshot1Kill on October 24, 2009, 10:21:43 AM
Post by: Gutpile on October 24, 2009, 10:26:38 AM
Post by: Ray on October 24, 2009, 10:28:02 AM
If I was you I would just buy a .223 I shoot lots of ground squirrels and it serves fine with 40 grain bullets.
Post by: Ray on October 24, 2009, 10:29:53 AM
A little graphic...
http://www.backcountryhunting.net/photo-gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_IMG_0332.JPG
Post by: Oneshot1Kill on October 24, 2009, 10:42:22 AM
Post by: Gutpile on October 24, 2009, 10:45:31 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com
Do a search for .223's. that'll give you an idea what to look for. EVERYBODY makes a .223. You'll find one somewhere in your price range. Good luck.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 24, 2009, 12:24:49 PM
Post by: demontang on October 24, 2009, 10:15:02 PM
Post by: Jburke on October 25, 2009, 02:35:21 AM
Post by: Bigbuckhunter_1996 on October 26, 2009, 02:34:22 PM
Post by: Big10gauge on October 26, 2009, 02:41:34 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 26, 2009, 02:48:45 PM
Carl
Post by: whacker1 on October 26, 2009, 04:49:49 PM
He had filled his deer tag and continued looking for coyotes, while others were hunting. Gun in use was a 6mm. Gave him a $271 ticket for hunting coyotes with too large of a weapon. I had to go look to the regs to see. For those thinking it, he should have had a bear tag, well you are right, because he didn't have a bear tag.
Page 64
10. Hunting during modern firearm
deer or elk seasons:
You may not hunt wildlife during any modern
firearm deer or elk season, with any firearm
24 caliber or larger or containing slugs or
buckshot for big game, unless you have a valid
license, permit and tag for one of the following:
deer, elk, black bear, cougar, mountain goat,
bighorn sheep, or moose
I am not chastising, but I did not know this and wanted to make those aware that hunt coyotes with .243's and larger. Make sure that you have a valid deer or elk tag.
Post by: Gutpile on October 26, 2009, 04:51:06 PM
the 17HMR is good for yotes out to about 200 yards (i no because ive shot one at that range with my 17) but if you wanna reach out further try .204 22-250 243 any of those are good long range coyote guns
Thats terrible advice. One rediculously long lucky shot means nothing. 17hmr is a BAD choice for yotes at any range.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 26, 2009, 05:03:33 PM
Post by: Big10gauge on October 26, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
204 have teensie bullets, neener neener. :P
Carl
Less wind drift at 4150 fps than a 223
A 223 is so slow they have to use a calendar instead of a chronograph when trying to measure it's velocity :P
Post by: rasbo on October 26, 2009, 06:42:34 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on October 26, 2009, 07:03:10 PM
Anything a 223 can do a 204 does it better :P, Check the ballistics a 204 actually runs really close to a 22-250
What are you smoking man? DO NOT compare a 204 to a 22-250! :bdid:
I think a 22 mag would be your best choice for long range grey diggers (ground squirrels) and close in coyotes.
Post by: Big10gauge on October 26, 2009, 08:13:11 PM
Anything a 223 can do a 204 does it better :P, Check the ballistics a 204 actually runs really close to a 22-250
What are you smoking man? DO NOT compare a 204 to a 22-250! :bdid:
I think you better look at some ballistics
Post by: dontgetcrabs on October 26, 2009, 08:26:26 PM
Anything a 223 can do a 204 does it better :P, Check the ballistics a 204 actually runs really close to a 22-250
What are you smoking man? DO NOT compare a 204 to a 22-250! :bdid:
I think you better look at some ballistics
The 204 pushes a 32 grn bullet at about 4150 fps. The 22-250 pushes a 40 grn bullet at about 4150 fps. Ballistics don't lie! ;)
Post by: Big10gauge on October 26, 2009, 08:52:58 PM
The 204 pushes a 32 grn bullet at about 4150 fps. The 22-250 pushes a 40 grn bullet at about 4150 fps. Ballistics don't lie!
What are you comparing? That a 22-250 can push a heavier bullet than a 204 at the same speed? If so you are not looking at the downrange drop,wind drift etc. 204 has a superior BC, downrange velocity and more energy when comparing the opitimal varmint bullets (what I consider optimal)of each caliber.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on October 26, 2009, 09:24:29 PM
Post by: Big10gauge on October 26, 2009, 09:38:28 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on October 26, 2009, 09:47:45 PM
Post by: Gutpile on October 27, 2009, 05:50:51 AM
Post by: Big10gauge on October 27, 2009, 06:04:19 AM
Post by: Gutpile on October 27, 2009, 06:08:49 AM
Post by: whacker1 on October 27, 2009, 10:42:55 AM
Post by: Ray on October 27, 2009, 12:34:51 PM
The matter of shooting a critter with either .204 .223 or 220 at some speed over 3000 FPS aint gonna make a difference to me when it comes to charts and graphs. Although I do like looking at them wince after being hit with a .204. I find that there are tons of places to get brass and ammo for the .223 and it seems fairly cheap as well. I am not a fan of any one over the other except in practicality of getting ammo off the shelf and abundant reloading materials being available for the .223. It is definitely a suitable piece for taking down any coyote or squirrel.
Post by: bowhunterforever on October 27, 2009, 03:45:21 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 27, 2009, 04:28:01 PM
the 17hmr is a plinker or a 100 yard coyote gun if you get PERFECT shots.
With the 22-250 on yotes ANY angle works with the 204 at long range 300yards plus, calls for perfect placement. All this said, if I were to pick a LONG RANGE 22 caliber TARGET rifle I might choose the 223 over the 22-250 due to tighter twist for the high BC bullets. It aint the numbers in the books it is CONSISTANT/PREDICTABLE performance. That is why the 308 is a sniper rifle, it aint cause of speed or trajectory.
Carl
Post by: spur_ride on October 27, 2009, 04:33:17 PM
Post by: jdb on October 27, 2009, 04:39:59 PM
Post by: Gutpile on October 27, 2009, 05:22:13 PM
:) in my oipinion the 22-250 has no viable competitor. Carl
220 swift trumps the 22-250. Sorry.
Post by: wastickslinger on October 27, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: Big10gauge on October 27, 2009, 06:52:40 PM
Big 10 - do you have 22-250 you would like to get rid of since you are a .204 shooter now? Or are you saving it for a rainy day?
I'm saving them so when I feel like shooting a old caliber just for nostalgic purposes, kinda like saving a old flintlock and bringing it out of the closet every now and then. :chuckle:
Post by: Sidewinder on October 27, 2009, 09:10:10 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 28, 2009, 01:13:05 PM
Carl
Post by: whacker1 on October 29, 2009, 07:52:17 PM
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I'm saving them so when I feel like shooting a old caliber just for nostalgic purposes, kinda like saving a old flintlock and bringing it out of the closet every now and then
It just so happens that I am looking to trade my flintlock for a 22-250, so if you want some real old school nostalgia. let me know... :chuckle:
Post by: Straight Shooter on November 03, 2009, 02:59:01 PM
personally I shoot a .223 for coyotes because it works fine to the range I am comfortable with. If I ever buy another coyote rifle it will be a .243
:yeah:
Dead is dead... whether you're hot-rodding a bullet over 4000 fps or shooting a "slow-poke" at around 3000 fps. Part of the "romance" of coyote hunting for me is the challenge of tricking that animal in close. If I'm able to do this, a .223 (or shotgun) will do the trick. I'm not going to take a shot at a range that I'm not comfortable with... for me, it's inside of 300 yards... and if you know your .223, it's more than capable at that range.