Post by: markts on October 25, 2009, 02:24:04 PM
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Post by: mulehunter on October 25, 2009, 02:30:43 PM
Mulehunter
Post by: markts on October 25, 2009, 02:32:10 PM
:chuckle::dunno: :dunno: :dunno: Mark
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on October 25, 2009, 02:44:04 PM
:chuckle::dunno: :dunno: :dunno: Mark
Mulehunter
I was laugh because WELL..... Sorry.... I was TOTALLY MAD when I read this. Damn WDFW Idiot people GOSH I dont understand why WDFW think Wolves are SOO COOL BUT NOT... They just want WIPE OUT all Animals by using Wolves! Trust me...... Once they Imported over there make sure you shoot them before they released wolves in wood.
Mulehunter :bash:
Post by: wolfbait on October 25, 2009, 05:53:15 PM
I just got a call from a friend telling me that the WDFG is having a meeting this Thursday at the Rotary Log Pavillion in Aberdeen to discuss their plans to bring wolves to Western Washington. :bash: :bash: :bash: Great idea (NOT) Didnt see this info already posted. Oh well Mark
There are already wolves in western Washington, wolves have already been released in the OP. wdfw must think no one but them spends time in the woods. This meeting is for the the pro-wolf people, to gather support for something that they have already done..Its like fitkin and his news paper tales, written for the people to read who love wolves regardless of the outcome. wdfw can bullsh$t the fans, but the people who live in these areas already know what has happened.
Post by: washingtonmuley on October 25, 2009, 06:44:34 PM
Nice first post!!!!!!!Maybe you should get a few posts under your belt before you starting busting on people. I think we have a PETA member among us.
Post by: KillerMiller on October 25, 2009, 07:01:11 PM
I just got a call from a friend telling me that the WDFG is having a meeting this Thursday at the Rotary Log Pavillion in Aberdeen to discuss their plans to bring wolves to Western Washington. :bash: :bash: :bash: Great idea (NOT) Didnt see this info already posted. Oh well Mark
There are already wolves in western Washington, wolves have already been released in the OP. wdfw must think no one but them spends time in the woods. This meeting is for the the pro-wolf people, to gather support for something that they have already done..Its like fitkin and his news paper tales, written for the people to read who love wolves regardless of the outcome. wdfw can bullsh$t the fans, but the people who live in these areas already know what has happened.
There is no reintroduction plan for this state http://wdfw.wa.gov/do/newreal/release.php?id=oct0609an plans for wolves in washington. :stirthepot: I suppose there is black helicoptors dropping them from the sky. The wolves are here and they need to be managed.
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2009, 07:12:26 PM
Post by: KillerMiller on October 25, 2009, 07:16:55 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on October 25, 2009, 07:18:53 PM
Post by: stumprat on October 25, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2009, 07:30:26 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2009, 07:38:35 PM
Post by: stumprat on October 25, 2009, 07:44:19 PM
Post by: markts on October 25, 2009, 08:02:18 PM
Does anyone know what time the meeting in Aberdeen is on thursday? I have friday off and would like to attend.630 to 900 Mark
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2009, 08:03:15 PM
Post by: markts on October 25, 2009, 08:07:20 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Post by: mulehunter on October 25, 2009, 09:02:36 PM
Got it
Can I ask u question... When u attend to the meeting, What are you going to ask them a question? I wanna to see what everyone is asking them all about?
Mulehunter
Post by: PolarBear on October 25, 2009, 09:04:43 PM
Post by: cascademountainhunter on October 25, 2009, 09:15:35 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 26, 2009, 07:36:55 PM
I think it is a good idea and here is why:
1. I don't want Wolves here at all, but at this point people in many other areas figure wolves don't affect them and it's kind of neat to have wolves in WA.
2. Until wolves are in most parts of the state they will not be taken seriously.
3. Translocatng will be to take wolves from one place in WA to another.
4. This is the only way to get a strong voice against wolves, once every part of the state has had problems then real management will begin to happen.
5. If you don't believe this is part of the plan then you better read it.
Post by: eastside boy on October 27, 2009, 05:59:58 PM
Post by: KillerMiller on October 27, 2009, 07:48:13 PM
I can't make it to the meeting.....but hepefully a bunch of you will. I would really like to hear how it goes.
:yeah:
Post by: wolfbait on October 27, 2009, 08:07:51 PM
I have talked at lenght with other concerned people and thought about this translocating idea which is mentioned in the wolf plan.
I think it is a good idea and here is why:
1. I don't want Wolves here at all, but at this point people in many other areas figure wolves don't affect them and it's kind of neat to have wolves in WA.
2. Until wolves are in most parts of the state they will not be taken seriously.
3. Translocatng will be to take wolves from one place in WA to another.
4. This is the only way to get a strong voice against wolves, once every part of the state has had problems then real management will begin to happen.
5. If you don't believe this is part of the plan then you better read it.
Well bearpaw, here"s the ketch, there are already wolves in all parts of Wa. So bottom line, they will be justifying the reason for wolves being there. I am sure, like the OP and surrounding country side in Washington, if you ask the locals they will be more than willing to tell you, they have either seen the wolves or the deer/elk are not the same as in years past. It does not take to long to realize you have wolves. At first you think,sh$t, was that really a wolf, not long after that you notice that all the deer are hanging in your front yard, (not on the Pole like in huntin season) but now you have outside house pets, sort of like Twisp and Winthrop. Best road huntin in the country is in those towns. I am not disagreeing with you at all. But what I am saying is let them release a few right outside of Seattle, couple pair anyway :chuckle: lets see how well that goes over. No joke, some of those folks get out in the country once n awhile, would be good for them to get use to seeing wolves up close. friendly little buggers that they are.... ;) The wolves I mean!
Post by: stumprat on October 27, 2009, 08:15:38 PM
But saying there are already wolves in all parts of Wa.
Can you really back that up with some proof ? I am totally against having them here. But that seems like a pretty far fetched statement.
Deer populations decline for a number of reasons. Especially due to Cougar and Bear.
Post by: KillerMiller on October 27, 2009, 08:17:30 PM
No offense Wolfbait.
But saying there are already wolves in all parts of Wa.
Can you really back that up with some proof ? I am totally against having them here. But that seems like a pretty far fetched statement.
Deer populations decline for a number of reasons. Especially due to Cougar and Bear.
Post by: wolfbait on October 27, 2009, 08:24:04 PM
No offense Wolfbait.
But saying there are already wolves in all parts of Wa.
Can you really back that up with some proof ? I am totally against having them here. But that seems like a pretty far fetched statement.
Deer populations decline for a number of reasons. Especially due to Cougar and Bear.
No offense takin,, and yes we can,,, and it sucks.
Post by: stumprat on October 27, 2009, 08:45:35 PM
I am very curious to learn more.
Post by: wolfbait on October 27, 2009, 08:53:25 PM
Post by: stumprat on October 27, 2009, 08:53:58 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 27, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
Post by: markts on October 27, 2009, 09:12:22 PM
post it for all the world to see or i suspect you'll be sending lots of pm's.Yes please do. Mark
Post by: wolfbait on October 27, 2009, 09:21:50 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 27, 2009, 10:01:13 PM
The way the plan reads we can't delist until there are wolves in every part of Washington, so we might as well move them around and get them everywhere as soon as possible so that one or two parts of the state are not overun with wolves for as many years while waiting for them to naturally migrate around the state.
I totally agree with planting some right on the fringes of Seattle so they can frolic where all the greeners can see them..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: SunniCutt on October 27, 2009, 10:04:52 PM
I would like the links as well.
Post by: wolfbait on October 28, 2009, 08:26:32 AM
Well here's how some folks are thinking:
The way the plan reads we can't delist until there are wolves in every part of Washington, so we might as well move them around and get them everywhere as soon as possible so that one or two parts of the state are not overun with wolves for as many years while waiting for them to naturally migrate around the state.
I totally agree with planting some right on the fringes of Seattle so they can frolic where all the greeners can see them..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I agree, the more people with wolves in their backyards, the Sooner they will realize how much fun it isn't ;) Like Sun Valley an Idaho's pro-wolf crowd, it jsut wasn't that much fun when the wolves were killing elk in their front yard. :yike:
Post by: flatbkman on October 28, 2009, 08:46:11 AM
Post by: Special T on October 28, 2009, 09:24:07 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 28, 2009, 09:31:10 AM
King, Snohomish, and Thurston counties should be a priority wolf recovery area. Those poor little wolves only eat mice and grasshoppers, or the sick and dying anyway..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on October 28, 2009, 09:32:05 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on October 28, 2009, 09:59:57 AM
Yes we need to make wolf recovery equal for all the residents of Washington.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Equal opportunity wolves huh............... :DOH:
Post by: bearpaw on October 28, 2009, 10:11:16 AM
Post by: mulehunter on October 29, 2009, 07:58:42 AM
WTF..... where do they get wolves from??? Other state or take some from Okanagon county bec of too many? I wonder what they are planning on doing it.
Sad... I wonder how u feel when this People in dept knew that they are faults for on purposed to watch Elk herd suffered.
Mulehunter :bash:
Post by: wolfbait on October 29, 2009, 11:03:25 AM
:yike: my wife told me other day when she were driving to work and she listen to radio, she said Wa state is trying to decide where to release first pack of wolves over westside. They hasn't decide yet on Mt helens or Mt olympia?
WTF..... where do they get wolves from??? Other state or take some from Okanagon county bec of too many? I wonder what they are planning on doing it.
Sad... I wonder how u feel when this People in dept knew that they are faults for on purposed to watch Elk herd suffered.
Mulehunter :bash:
What they mean to say is now they don't have to sneak around releasing wolves. ;) They are getting the wolves the same place they have always gotten them, Idaho and Montana. Since defenders of wdfw swear up n down they have never released any wolves in Washington, for just starting wolf recovery according to defenders of wdfw, how could there be enough wolves already in Washington to translocate, what a joke. According to the Methow Paper , the lookout pack only has 8 wolves. What gives??? woops, I guess when wdfw are BS'n the public and they figure that the people who live in the areas where DFW=wdfw have already dumped wolves or are about to dump some more, it just don't matter what local folks know. Thats cool though, the more wolves wdfw plant around Washington the more people will realize just how much fun it isn't worrying about the wolves watching your kids play in the backyard or eating their dog/dogs off the front porch :yike: :yike:
Post by: chester on October 29, 2009, 11:05:19 AM
Post by: saylean on October 29, 2009, 11:05:48 AM
Post by: Special T on October 29, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
Post by: mulehunter on October 29, 2009, 04:42:46 PM
That would be one hell of a show at the Marry more DOG PARK :bash:
I cant image seeing all this dead ANIMALS in Mt Helens all over place just like this show if WDFW Released Wolves in Mt Helens. I PROMISE this what they are trying to FOOL us by saying that they are thinking about releasing New pack in Mt Olympia but later on Radio said EITHER MT HELENS or Mt Olymipa.... They havent decided yet, Let me think Oh yes They already RELEASED in Mt Helens and not Mt Olympia so they can make sure Wolves pack is rooting in MT helens for while before all MEETING started.
Mulehunter :bdid:
Post by: wolfbait on October 29, 2009, 06:08:41 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 29, 2009, 07:10:30 PM
so who is going to the meeting tonight in aberdeen?I was set to go but wound up working 2 hours over at work tonight, damn it! :bash:
Post by: mulehunter on October 29, 2009, 07:16:55 PM
so who is going to the meeting tonight in aberdeen?I was set to go but wound up working 2 hours over at work tonight, damn it! :bash:
Dang... I was plann to go but I cant miss my work... I have family to be responsible. I would rather wait till Wolve attack some Treehugger people. :chuckle: Thats only way to manage Wolves.
By the way if ur going to the meeting wont change anything for ALL PEOPLE as hunter!
Mulehunter :rolleyes:
Post by: markts on October 29, 2009, 08:44:09 PM
Post by: chester on October 29, 2009, 09:48:41 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 31, 2009, 04:46:40 AM
Post by: mulehunter on October 31, 2009, 12:46:37 PM
king county should a priority wolf relocation area... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yeah: Oh Please!!! Please...
Mulehunter :chuckle:
Post by: saylean on November 04, 2009, 02:55:57 PM
king county should a priority wolf relocation area... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Agreed. Toss them downtown Seattle and clean up the parks from all the homeless.
No more tent city. :chuckle:
Post by: Little Dave on November 06, 2009, 09:20:39 AM
I forget who mentioned it at the Seattle meeting, but when the translocation matter was discussed, the Mount Saint Helens elk herd was cited as a characterized as a "source of food" for a translocated pack. If there are any plans in place already, it is likely that these larger herds will be the first targets. Perhaps the Winston unit will be less productive in years to come.
Comments are needed.
When you comment, recommend the minority opinion proposal which Alternative 1 but 8 breeding pairs to delist instead of 15. This will give the DFW and public safety more flexibility to respond to wolf incidents.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on November 06, 2009, 09:22:03 AM
Post by: wolfbait on November 06, 2009, 09:55:55 AM
Introducing wolves in King County is probably already being planned by a few activist groups. I'd imagine that the first place on the list for the wolf enthusiasts in Seattle would be the closed game unit 490, the City of Seattle Cedar River Watershed just south of North Bend.
I forget who mentioned it at the Seattle meeting, but when the translocation matter was discussed, the Mount Saint Helens elk herd was cited as a characterized as a "source of food" for a translocated pack. If there are any plans in place already, it is likely that these larger herds will be the first targets. Perhaps the Winston unit will be less productive in years to come.
Comments are needed.
When you comment, recommend the minority opinion proposal which Alternative 1 but 8 breeding pairs to delist instead of 15. This will give the DFW and public safety more flexibility to respond to wolf incidents.
>:( s.fitkin claimed the wolves decided the Methow Valley with all of its deer was the best place for them to settle down and begin their slaughter. Wolves will be released in areas with the largest herds so in the future your hunting in those areas and surounding countryside will be fairly poor in a few years. As the game becomes more scarce hunting will be curtailed in order that there is enough to feed the wolves. Not something we are looking forward to watching is it?
Post by: byrdman on November 12, 2009, 01:46:59 PM
Mt. Si and Tiger Mountain do seem like great places to start in Western Wa.
If they must bring them to the Olympic pen., hopefully they concentrate on areas where the pro-wolf folks will get the most enjoyment out of them like Mt. Ellinor and/or Lena lake.
Post by: Special T on November 12, 2009, 01:55:28 PM
Post by: wolfbait on November 12, 2009, 04:34:21 PM
Why wait for the anit's to put em at Mt Si? Put out some live traps in the methow and shipem down quick! Nothing like a little close encounter with "Nature to wake peoples asses up! :bash:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Damn right, I'd really like to see the pro-wolfers packin guns, and worried about walkin around in the dark. Might be a different story once they realize gittin back to "their natural ecosystem" isn't all they thought it'd be. :yike: :yike:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on November 12, 2009, 04:43:18 PM
Post by: Special T on November 12, 2009, 04:47:43 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on November 12, 2009, 04:56:08 PM
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Post by: markts on November 12, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
Post by: yelp on November 12, 2009, 06:50:25 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on November 12, 2009, 08:42:50 PM
I think I am going sell cross-country skiing/wolf howling trips in the Methow and make a bunch of money off the fern fondlers..I will stick a remote control foxpro with howler mode and ski down a trail and have everyone howl and then hit the button...LOL $100.00/each.. :) Just hope I don't hit the Mountian Lion in heat button. :)
You are in heat.............lol
Post by: yelp on November 12, 2009, 08:54:25 PM
:chuckle:I think I am going sell cross-country skiing/wolf howling trips in the Methow and make a bunch of money off the fern fondlers..I will stick a remote control foxpro with howler mode and ski down a trail and have everyone howl and then hit the button...LOL $100.00/each.. :) Just hope I don't hit the Mountian Lion in heat button. :)
You are in heat.............lol
Post by: LongTatLaw on November 12, 2009, 08:57:55 PM
Post by: mulehunter on November 12, 2009, 09:41:35 PM
mmmmmmm lions in heat :drool:
No more tag for u! :chuckle:
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: jackelope on November 13, 2009, 08:26:11 AM
it looks like the wolves are making their way closer and closer to Seattle.
:(
Post by: WDFW-SUX on November 13, 2009, 08:27:56 AM
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2009, 08:38:11 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,38112.0.html
it looks like the wolves are making their way closer and closer to Seattle.
:(
That's a funny thread. Did anybody really think they were wolves?
Post by: wolfbait on November 13, 2009, 09:03:32 AM
Post by: DOESLICKER on November 16, 2009, 06:04:23 PM
Post by: jumpin on December 01, 2009, 11:45:31 AM
Post by: Little Dave on December 01, 2009, 11:03:46 PM
A common counterargument to the notion that Idaho does not have enough genetic diversity yet is that a wolf collared near Sun Valley was found a few hours out of Calgary... that's about a 700 mile journey. Considering the area covered it's obviously plenty opportunity for genetic diversity.
Similarly, it's about 700 miles between Bucoda and Prince George. There's a lot of wolf country between here and there. It could mean that they are already here from time-to-time as a transient species except (obviously) for certain remote areas adjacent to Canada and Idaho. Kind of like what those early-1990s Seattle Times articles posted by wolfbait seem to suggest. So in the 16 or so years since those articles were written, how do we explain the abundance of elk and lack of wolves. Something about modern-time habitat and culture in our state just doesn't seem to support stable wolf populations.
If this is the case, it is unlikely that we will ever reach the proposed delisting status where the state would be authorized to manage the populations. Wolves moved from infested areas to Western Washington will probably die out really quickly. The only thing that seems certain in this case is that a lot of money will be spent. The experiment conducted at the expense of our neighbors in the Methow, northeast, and Blue Mts.
Post by: bearpaw on December 01, 2009, 11:04:40 PM
15 Breeding Pairs In The State As Follows:
2 in Eastern Washington
2 in North Cascades
5 in Southern Cascades/
Northwest Coast
6 anywhere in state
This plan requires 5 breeding pairs (packs) in the southern cascades or the northwest coast before delisting can occur anywhere in the state.
I strongly suggest that all hunters get proactive and take the time to respond to the Wildlife Commission that this is unacceptable. Our whole state will be over run with wolves before there are this many packs in that part of the state.
Take 30 minutes and send email now!
Here is a contact list to email copies of your letter to: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,31831.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,31831.0.html)
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 11, 2009, 12:03:15 PM
December 11, 2009.
From the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation:
Responding to the latest legal wrangling by environmental groups, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation again has entered into federal court an amicus curiae brief supporting wolf population management via state-regulated hunting in Idaho and Montana.
The move means U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy will consider RMEF positions against the environmental groups’ request for summary judgment in a lawsuit seeking to stop the hunts and return gray wolves to the endangered species list.
A summary judgment is a determination made by a court without a full trial.
Molloy is expected to rule early in 2010.
In September, Molloy denied the environmental groups’ request for an emergency injunction. Following a hearing in Missoula, Mont., Molloy ruled that plaintiffs had failed to demonstrate how hunting would cause irreparable harm to wolf populations. RMEF documents, filed shortly before the hearing, were considered in that decision.
The ruling allowed wolf hunting to proceed in Idaho and Montana. By early December, hunters had taken approximately 184 wolves out of an estimated 1,500-plus total population in the northern Rockies—a harvest well below the combined quota.
However, in the September ruling, Molloy also said complaints alleging the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service improperly delisted wolves in Idaho and Montana, but not Wyoming, could have legal merit. Plaintiffs trumpeted the legal opening and filed a motion for summary judgment based on this argument.
“Their attack on hunting proved unpersuasive so now they’re backing up and citing a procedural issue related to the Endangered Species Act. This legal wrangling has drug on well past the point of ridiculousness. This is what happens when you’ve got well-funded plaintiffs who can’t be bothered by on-the-ground facts, logic or common sense. That’s not how conservation works,” said David Allen, RMEF president and CEO.
RMEF entered its new amicus curiae brief by last week’s deadline.
The 37-page document reinforces four main themes:
• Historic success of modern, hunter-based conservation in North America.
• Viewpoints of hunters who continue to pay for the big-game resources that made wolf recovery possible.
• RMEF-funded research, along with other scientific and anecdotal evidence, showing that wolf populations are fully recovered and that, where wolves are present with elk, wolves are having detrimental impacts on elk.
• State wildlife agencies are best suited to manage wolves alongside other species.
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 11, 2009, 12:23:05 PM
If they establish in the Blues, they should manage the Blues.
If they establish in NE, they should manage NE.
If they establish in the Okanogan, they should manage the Okanogan.
If they establish in the Cascades, they should manage the Cascades.
Etc, etc, etc.
Washington is more diverse in climate and geography than any other State in the Union. To say they have to establish statewide before any management plan can be enacted is INSANE!!!
Get your voice heard, guys.
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 11, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
thenpha.com
Eventually they'll be strong enough to help out with some real focused advocacy.
Post by: longrange7mm on December 11, 2009, 12:29:52 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 11, 2009, 12:38:16 PM
Here is the data from the WDFW preferred option #2. Page 18 of the draft wolf plan: http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildlife/management/gray_wolf/draft_plan/05oct2009_draft_plan_deis.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildlife/management/gray_wolf/draft_plan/05oct2009_draft_plan_deis.pdf)
15 Breeding Pairs In The State As Follows:
2 in Eastern Washington
2 in North Cascades
5 in Southern Cascades/
Northwest Coast
6 anywhere in state
This plan requires 5 breeding pairs (packs) in the southern cascades or the northwest coast before delisting can occur anywhere in the state.
I strongly suggest that all hunters get proactive and take the time to respond to the Wildlife Commission that this is unacceptable. Our whole state will be over run with wolves before there are this many packs in that part of the state.
Take 30 minutes and send email now!
Here is a contact list to email copies of your letter to: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,31831.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,31831.0.html)
If thats the plan there will never be any hunting of wolves but I assume thats the point.