Post by: joebear on November 05, 2009, 06:30:03 PM
The cops called him and they met for a wright up and he found out that the guy is a MASTER HUNTER AND A HUNTER SAFTEY INSTUCTOR. Also this man that did the shooting tried to tell the cops that my friend was the shooter but he did not call them because he did not want to make waves!! With this all said the cops went back up to the elk and cut off the head and left the rest of the elk what a joke.!!!!! If this guy that did the shooting is a member of this sight and only you know who you are!! I think you are low worthless man. All you did is make all of us that love hunting look bad. I hope I never meet you.
Post by: markts on November 05, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on November 05, 2009, 06:35:45 PM
That is freaking pathetic. How freaking hard is it to identify your quarry?
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 05, 2009, 06:37:22 PM
I am asking this because one time in Alaska I was on a moose, I watched him for about 25 minutes and knew he was not legal when I seen a couple of other hunters on the ridge. I watched them for a few minutes and actually threw the bino's up on them and seen that they were about to get into a good rest to pull the trigger. I put 3 rounds into the dirt about 25 yards from me and that scared the moose off and it also startled the crap out of them. I caught up to them later in the day, and told them the moose was not even close to being legal and their comment was well at that distance it looked legal. So just asking if anyone would have done the same thing??
Like I said I know it was not you that observed but justy looking for opinions???
Joe
Post by: joebear on November 05, 2009, 06:43:41 PM
Joebear, I totally agree with all the you said, and I know this was not you but just asking what would you do in this scenerio??Well BB It really depends on how far I was away. Also hunting in AK you do not have as many hunters in the area.
I am asking this because one time in Alaska I was on a moose, I watched him for about 25 minutes and knew he was not legal when I seen a couple of other hunters on the ridge. I watched them for a few minutes and actually threw the bino's up on them and seen that they were about to get into a good rest to pull the trigger. I put 3 rounds into the dirt about 25 yards from me and that scared the moose off and it also startled the crap out of them. I caught up to them later in the day, and told them the moose was not even close to being legal and their comment was well at that distance it looked legal. So just asking if anyone would have done the same thing??
Like I said I know it was not you that observed but justy looking for opinions???
Joe
This guy that did the shooting probley would not of even thought twice about someone else shooting. I think I would have well I better not say. I love my hunting rights and hate anybody that does STUPUD crap that help the Gov have a reason to think they can take them away from us enough said!!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 05, 2009, 06:45:13 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 05, 2009, 06:46:01 PM
Post by: joebear on November 05, 2009, 06:49:21 PM
good thoughts Joebear, like I said was just asking opinions, I did not look at it that way as they might not even have noticed the shots being fired.No prob BB I think you di the right thing in ak!!
Post by: stumprat on November 05, 2009, 06:52:17 PM
Master Hunter
Hunter safety instructor
AND LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: rasbo on November 05, 2009, 06:58:21 PM
Post by: stumprat on November 05, 2009, 06:59:49 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 05, 2009, 07:01:20 PM
At least man up to a mistake!Im sure we wont hear that
Post by: stumprat on November 05, 2009, 07:03:32 PM
At least man up to a mistake!Im sure we wont hear that
>:(Of course not.
Post by: Huntbear on November 05, 2009, 07:03:50 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on November 05, 2009, 07:09:36 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on November 05, 2009, 07:10:24 PM
Post by: sako223 on November 05, 2009, 07:32:52 PM
Mistakes can truly happen to anyone. You still have to take responsibility and more so if you leave. Lazy on the part of the officer. Nearly every time I have been around the officer looks for a home for the meat and most often makes the offender pack it out.
Post by: Swiftkid on November 05, 2009, 07:38:13 PM
Post by: eastsidebugle on November 05, 2009, 07:52:42 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on November 05, 2009, 08:31:41 PM
Joebear, I totally agree with all the you said, and I know this was not you but just asking what would you do in this scenerio??
I am asking this because one time in Alaska I was on a moose, I watched him for about 25 minutes and knew he was not legal when I seen a couple of other hunters on the ridge. I watched them for a few minutes and actually threw the bino's up on them and seen that they were about to get into a good rest to pull the trigger. I put 3 rounds into the dirt about 25 yards from me and that scared the moose off and it also startled the crap out of them. I caught up to them later in the day, and told them the moose was not even close to being legal and their comment was well at that distance it looked legal. So just asking if anyone would have done the same thing??
Like I said I know it was not you that observed but justy looking for opinions???
Joe
Post by: jstone on November 06, 2009, 08:31:28 AM
Post by: WSU on November 06, 2009, 08:44:00 AM
Post by: fishm@n on November 06, 2009, 08:50:12 AM
Post by: MagKarl on November 06, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 06, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
i have a hard time with the fact they cut the head off and left the rest lay. never heard of that happening before.
Post by: Elkohol on November 06, 2009, 11:29:20 AM
There can only be a handful of safety instructors in the area, someone needs to find this guy!
If you got the guys name you should probably throw it out there, who wants their kids learning from that guy? i know i sure wouldn't. And if he didn't pay for what he did by losing his licence, he should at least have to pay through shame..
Post by: Galpster on November 06, 2009, 11:40:31 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 06, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
There can only be a handful of safety instructors in the area, someone needs to find this guy!
If you got the guys name you should probably throw it out there, who wants their kids learning from that guy? i know i sure wouldn't. And if he didn't pay for what he did by losing his licence, he should at least have to pay through shame..
Throwing a name out there is also called slandering until the guy is proven guilty. I myself no matter what I seen or was involved with would never put a name out there, I myself VALUE everything that I have. Not saying that I disagree with it, I am just saying it is a :bdid: :bdid: to do that.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on November 06, 2009, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: woodswalker on November 06, 2009, 06:51:08 PM
Another master hunter bites the dust. Wonder if he will continue to be an instructor.
Mistakes can truly happen to anyone. You still have to take responsibility and more so if you leave. Lazy on the part of the officer. Nearly every time I have been around the officer looks for a home for the meat and most often makes the offender pack it out.
As a HE instructor and a MH...I can TELL you that he is DONE with both if convicted...and is suspended from HE and I think MH until its run its course. Even so he may get booted even if not convicted...under the color of making the program look bad.
And we as HE instructors WILL know about it.
Post by: THINK_N_ELK on November 07, 2009, 12:27:48 PM
As far as the animal goes. It should have been given to a food bank. The meat would go a long way, feeding the hungry.
>:(
Post by: C-Money on November 08, 2009, 09:10:12 AM
Post by: luvtohnt on November 08, 2009, 10:51:19 AM
Brandon
Post by: C-Money on November 08, 2009, 05:38:42 PM
Post by: eastside boy on November 08, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
Post by: AKBowman on November 08, 2009, 07:00:59 PM
On a side not, Joe you shoot the shoot at Skookum yesterday...I ended up with three Wideon.
Post by: huntnphool on November 08, 2009, 07:10:25 PM
Post by: dbllunger on November 08, 2009, 07:45:09 PM
I got stopped by a WSP Trooper this year (speeding) with a quartered out elk in the back of the truck. He really ran me through the wringer on checking it out and how it was supposed to be tagged and other things. Pretty much forgot about the speeding after seeing the elk foot sticking out. He did not know the law specifically, but he knew enough to ask questions and call a gamie. It took about 30 minutes and he then said "It looks like you are doing everything on the up and up, congratulations have a nice day sorry it took so long ". I thanked him for checking and told him to continue to keep checking hunters and making sure they are legal. We need more non gamie cops checking hunters. Oh yeah he gave me a warning for speeding and another violation. Had he given me a ticket you would not see me wanking about it as yes I was speeding and had the illegal equipment in use.
Post by: Alaska316 on November 08, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Post by: G.R.K on November 08, 2009, 10:19:08 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 09, 2009, 12:47:08 PM
If convicted he will be cited and fined, and may lose hunting equipment used.
If convicted he will likely be disbarred from being an accredited Hunter Education instructor as well.
Enforcement is aware of this; let's allow them to do their job and hope they can convict him if he is indeed guilty.
Post by: jackelope on November 09, 2009, 01:53:20 PM
was it a cop or a game warden? you said cop. i don't see that a cop would even touch the animal without first calling wdfw.:dunno:
i have a hard time with the fact they cut the head off and left the rest lay. never heard of that happening before.
Post by: Galpster on November 09, 2009, 04:00:12 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 09, 2009, 04:27:46 PM
I too prefer to see them out checking hunters and responding to violation calls, to salvaging carcasses.
Post by: THINK_N_ELK on November 09, 2009, 07:47:31 PM
In my opinion, I think that is mainly due to them being uninformed. I think when they become more informed there will be more conviction with stiffer fines and penalties.
Post by: steen on December 07, 2009, 12:09:33 PM
Post by: colockumelk on December 08, 2009, 03:43:52 PM
Sad, what a waste. There will be more animals left on hillsides with the true spike rule.
The rule is not the problem. The problem is irresponsible people who do not take the time to check what they're shooting at.
There is no such thing as an accidental discharge or an accidental killing. There is only NEGLIGANCE!!!!!
Post by: Elkster on December 08, 2009, 08:22:12 PM
This Master Hunter permit season occurs in late January when the elk are out grazing in pastures because they have been starving from running for the past 5 months of being hunted. It is a also a 2-1 deal with the cows since they have been bred for the past couple of months. Great game management by WDFW department. :P This is a topic of discussion by itself.
Post by: stickthrower on December 09, 2009, 11:14:01 AM
What i did hear (rumor) By 8:00 am there were over 40 calls into the games about hunting problems. From guys on quads to hunting on privet lands. Maybe the game guys were pissing away there time because someone couldn't read NO TRESPASSING???
But If the guy IS or was a M/H he IS no longer. It only takes an accusation to get the permit pulled. The gamys are there to enforce the laws that will ensure we all have the opportunity to hunt in the future. For those that don't think they work hard your way off base!! Try working 5:00am till 7:00-8:00pm ten sitting in a field till 10:00-11:00 hazing elk / doing paperwork. Like previous posters Help these guys out !!
So I hope everyone had a good season. Thank for the vent seasion.
jcl
Post by: SGM R on December 10, 2009, 01:29:24 PM
Thanks
Post by: coachcw on December 21, 2009, 06:56:55 AM