Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 09, 2009, 01:00:14 PM
First:
He tells me that he leased 3000 acres north of Spokane.
He tells me that he only does a handful of hunts a year.
He tells me that he is going to send me a bunch of trail camera pictures.
Then:
He tells me that he doesn't have any pictures of bucks because it is to warm and they are nocturnal.
I tell him that I have a broken leg and I am on a knee scooter.
He tells me that it's ok because he is going to drop me off at the blind.
He tells me that he has stopped baiting 3 weeks before I get there so as not to spook the deer. I offer to pay for the corn if he will just continue to bait. He agrees.
He sends me 2 pictures of bucks taken with his cell phone off of his computer moniter.
I get there, then:
I go to Walmart and purchase 2 bags of shelled corn for bait.
He tells me that he has changed the plans and we are going to stop at the road and cut through the woods a hundred yards. Ended up being about a half a mile through brush, over fallen branches, and over a fence. He didn't have a flash light so he borrows mine.
He tells me that no sense hunting after 8:30 because all of the deer have bedded down until dusk. We saw 3 does.
I ask him to put out the bait at the original hunting spot and he does.
He tells me that he is going to pick me up at 12:30 to start hunting by 1. He is late. We get there after 2pm.
There are 5 guys 200 yards from my blind, and they are going to do a deer drive right now.
At dusk I see a buck, I shoot, I have maybe a 100 inch 8 point. He guts the deer leaves the heart, lung, genitals, bladder, and a handful of feces in it.
He marks my tag for me by notching out the 7 and 11. I point out to him that the month is on the bottom of the tag, and only the 7 and Nov. should be notched out.
I agree to meet him in the morning to skin and quarter my deer so I can take it back to Renton. I get there and he has cut the cape in front of the shoulder on one side, and has made 5 cuts, inches deep into the hind quarters. I am shocked and pissed. He tells me that he has never skinned a deer before.
I take over broken leg and all, skin, quarter, and de-bone the deer myself.
He doesn't have 1 mount in his whole house???
I don't think he ever shot a deer in his life.
What do you think???
Post by: PaleRider on November 09, 2009, 01:26:17 PM
Can you link to the auction or the seller's current auctions so the rest of us are aware of him?
Post by: Broken Arrow on November 09, 2009, 01:27:59 PM
Post by: remington300mag on November 09, 2009, 01:45:52 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on November 09, 2009, 01:52:46 PM
Post by: robodad on November 09, 2009, 02:12:59 PM
Post by: spur_ride on November 09, 2009, 02:26:24 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on November 09, 2009, 02:55:32 PM
Good thing you weren't holding out for a monster...
Sounds like this guy took the online ebay/hunting guide course :chuckle:
Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 09, 2009, 03:03:50 PM
I have had 4 people guess tell me his name since posting this.
Post by: SpokaneSlayer on November 09, 2009, 03:11:57 PM
Post by: NWBREW on November 09, 2009, 03:12:39 PM
Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 09, 2009, 03:28:36 PM
No he isn't licensed. He said that it wasn't a requirement.
If I had know how inept he was, I could have just told him what to do, or did it myself. I went into this trusting he knew what he was doing.
Live and learn.
Post by: NWBREW on November 09, 2009, 03:35:49 PM
Live and learn.
I geuss that says it best.
Post by: MichaelJ on November 09, 2009, 03:42:23 PM
Michael
Post by: dbllunger on November 09, 2009, 03:47:17 PM
Post by: Galpster on November 09, 2009, 03:50:50 PM
Please advise your hunting family for we do not do this. It is not slander. I went to mickydees the other day and I didn't like the service, the cashier barely spook any english. See it is legal to tell others of bad service.
Post by: MichaelJ on November 09, 2009, 03:58:53 PM
No license requirement in WA to be a hunting guide. Anyone can do it. Sounds like you paid someone to guide you to a deer, and you shot a deer where he put you. In a way we completed his end of the bargain. That being said he sounds like a serious loser who took advantage of you. You should post his name up if you feel it will protect another hunter from paying for these services. There is nothing that he can do about that, and if he does not want bad press then provide a quality hunt. Also please post up what you paid for the hunt.
Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression if you made money from providing guiding services, you had to have a license so the gov can take their cut... good info to know!
Michael
Post by: jackelope on November 09, 2009, 04:13:37 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 09, 2009, 04:17:17 PM
And he screwed up your deer cape, you got it bad all the way around.
Joe
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 09, 2009, 04:21:31 PM
He didn't have a name for his guide service. His initials are S.S. from Spokane. He is a Fireman/Paramedic/Plastic Surgeons Assistant.
I have had 4 people guess tell me his name since posting this.
Is this the one that is also trying to get people to buy his elk hunts??
http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Day-Eastern-Washington-Elk-Hunt-2010_W0QQitemZ120489366870QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0db9d556
And there I did not even say his name :)
Post by: antlerbolic_bearoids on November 09, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
Post by: spur_ride on November 09, 2009, 05:04:19 PM
Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 09, 2009, 05:22:36 PM
The deal with the elk hunt is that there are 28 cows, a 6x6, and a 5x5. I don't know much more that he had 2 guys out there already who quit and went home after 2 days. I was pissed and didn't ask why?
Here is the hunt I bought. It says muzzle loader, but I talked to him before I bought it and worked the same price for Modern Firearm.
If he was upfront and honest about not knowing anything about hunting, I could of helped him out.
The bottom line is that he has access to some property where deer live. Ok, put up a blind next to some heavily used deer trails in August. Throw some corn out there when it is legal, set a trail camera pointed at the bait pile, and tell me what is out there.
I have 2 Bushnell mini's set out. Me and a coworker of mine have all the Blacktail deer named. We have an Excell spreadsheet showing when the bucks as well as does come by. We also have a Black Bear and a Bobcat on video.
I booked the hut in Spokane before we had permission to hunt this piece close to home.
I am from Michigan. We get to hunt 2 bucks, and sometimes 1 doe a day for 90+ days. Rifle season is only 2 weeks but archery is from October 1st until January 3rd. I wish I could archery hunt here for 3 months even if I only get to shoot 1 deer.
Post by: lazydrifter on November 09, 2009, 05:45:21 PM
Post by: alecvg on November 09, 2009, 05:47:59 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 09, 2009, 06:06:40 PM
My friends dad booked an Eastern Washington elk hunt off of ebay earlier this fall, I don't know if it was the same guy, but who he was with, he hunted all day, it got dark, the guide said camp was just over the next ridge, well, it wasn't, they ended up going 6 miles in the dark, the guide didn't have a flash light, eventually they hit the highway, and hitchhiked back to town. Could be the same..
That guide would not have made it to the fricken highway with me, he would still be out there trying to figure out what happened to him.
300MAGNUM, sorry you got a bum deal out of this, at least people are aware of him now. And what kind of shady crap he is doing. Hopefully it does not happen to another member.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on November 09, 2009, 06:13:06 PM
Here is a Bear Rug I did several months ago that required something like 137" of sewing. That did not include the wedges in the arm pits that every bear rug gets.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=101o2lkbq34br7vvad0oo4nli6&topic=28803.0
Post by: Ridgerunner on November 10, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 10, 2009, 11:02:24 AM
it looks like the guy is selling whitetail, turkey and elk hunts on more than just ebay and is also maybe a brittany spaniel breeder selling dogs.
:dunno:
Post by: Machias on November 10, 2009, 11:07:39 AM
Post by: Dustin07 on November 10, 2009, 11:15:01 AM
Post by: spur_ride on November 10, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
WE OFFER A CONSULTING SERVICE FOR ELK HUNTERS, WE SET YOU UP IN A MOTEL AND PROVIDE MAPS OF OUR AREAS THAT ARE BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE WE HAVE OVER 3000 ACRES OF PRIVATE AND OVER 12 SQUARE MILES OF PUBLIC LAND AJACENT TO PRIVATE FARMS, WE HAVE NICE HERDS ON BOTH PROPERTIES. THERE IS A 6X6 AND TWO 4X4'S AND QUITE A FEW COWS ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE BEEN SEEING SOME NICE BULLS ON THE PUBLIC LAND, WE HUNT IN TWO DIFFERENT GMU'S THAT OFFER ANY ELK OR BULL ONLY OPPURTUNITIES THE ANY ELKK GMU IS ON OUR PRIVATE RANCH . YOU USE OUR EQUIPMENT (BLINDS,TREESTANDS,4 WHEELERS) AND OUR PROPERTIES WE PROVIDED MAPS AND LOCATIONS AND SCOUTING REPORTS AND PICTURES. REFERENCES AVAILIABLE. THE BUY IT NOW PRICE IS FOR THE DEPOSIT OF $1200.00 THIS IS FOR 2 HUNTERS AND THE BALANCE OF $400.00 IS DUE WHEN YOU ARRIVE. WE WILL ONLY CONSULT FOR 2 HUNTERS MAX. THE RIFLE SEASON IS OCT 31-NOV 8TH AND THE MUZZLELOAD SEASON IS OCT 4-9TH THE MUZZLOAD IS DURING THE RUTT. ALL TAGS ARE OVER THE COUNTER. THIS IS FAIR CHASE HUNTING NO FENCES AND NO GUARENTEES, WE WILL HELP YOU RETRIEVE YOUR ANIMAL AND HELP YOU WITH ANY KIND OF MEAT PROCESSING.
http://cgi.ebay.com/5-DAY-ELK-HUNTING-TRIP-IN-2010_W0QQitemZ120491048008QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0dd37c48
its still a bum deal no the less. sorry to hear it
Post by: Dustin07 on November 10, 2009, 11:26:51 AM
a. you are wiser now on picking guides, and you have questions you'll ask in the future.
b. he is not wiser, unless you tell him about the things that bothered you. If you communicate to him certain things, he may be able to improve. remember, he has 3k acres available to hunt and he will probably continue to do this for a while. This is an opportunity to help mold him into a great service provider.
Post by: Galpster on November 10, 2009, 11:30:23 AM
something to consider:Dustin, I like your approach to this. I agree that we as the purchasers should take steps a thru c to ensure we protect others out there.
a. you are wiser now on picking guides, and you have questions you'll ask in the future.
b. he is not wiser, unless you tell him about the things that bothered you. If you communicate to him certain things, he may be able to improve. remember, he has 3k acres available to hunt and he will probably continue to do this for a while. This is an opportunity to help mold him into a great service provider.
Post by: Dustin07 on November 10, 2009, 12:11:52 PM
When we get there, you can't clean birds at his location anymore, "feds came down on him".
which doesn't matter too much because the hotel he recommended was so disgusting, we gutted the birds in the room. The windows were broken and taped up with cardboard and duct tape. when you ran a tub the water backfilled and it was gross and grimey. The heater didnt' work so she wheeled in a free standing oil heater. The knobs on the tub were broken off and there was a bolt shoved through so you could still use it.
The TV didnt' work in the first room, so she moved us to this 'better' room, where the tv also did not work (or the heater, tub, window, etc).
Area gets hit by a unexpected blizzard, its -16F out, snow and ice, the hotel he recommended is 30 minutes away in good weather, so when we arrive to the gas station 5 minutes late at most, he is not there because "he doesnt' wait" (there was only 1 other guy in the guided hunt, would he have minded a 10 minute wait????)
the pit blinds are not being used all the sudden, so we are hunting layout blinds, with my 60yr old father in law, who was expecting pits, up on the peak of a hillside in -16F windchilled snow.
we break for lunch. on the way back, our "SUV" rental get stuck less than 1/2 mile from the blind in a new snow drift on the road that wasn't there before. I called the guide over and over and over on his cell. his truck could have easily pulled us out. he ignores his cell while hunting, they get more birds during the 2nd half of that day, then the full 3 days we were there combined.
I hike back, in the snow and wind, almost a mile, to the nearest farm house. the farmer has to charge his turbo diesel to get it running, but gladly pulls us from the miserable snow pile we've become. not wanting to risk getting stuck again, we call it a day and head back to the only open restaurant, a truckstop. I leave the guide one more voicemail telling him our rig is not going to make it back, we need an alternative hunt (the promised pitblind) or a ride or something for the following day.
He gives away the geese i had shot in the morning, including a mature blue i wanted to get mounted.
calls me back that evening and finally says we can hunt the pitblind we paid for.
we get to the pit blind, the guide is a different guide. an awesome dude, I really like him, but he is a sub contractor using the first guides gear... wontcha know it... the pits are filled with snow, and the electronic caller is broken. we spend the last day in the pits, finally, with broken gear. I did get another mature blue snow though, and should have it back from the taxidermist in a week or two.
All in all it was a great trip and I can't wait to go back. I'm trying to get someone else to go with me in Feb or March of 2010, but whenever I tell this story, nobody will go :bash:
Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 10, 2009, 01:33:37 PM
I have "friends" who helped me to learn how to hunt, gut, and process deer. I love passing this information on to other "friends" including the people on here who I probably will never meet. This was a business deal. If I have to pay him to hunt, then he should pay me to show him how to do it. This guy even wanted me to show him how to operate HIS trail camera.
I almost feel sorry for him. I just wish that he was upfront and honest about his abilities and the situation. If he had not done what I told him to do after I got there and assessed the situation, I would not have shot the buck that I did.
I feel lucky to have gotten a buck. The prayers to our Patron Saint Hubert paid off well!
I wish to thank everyone here for their opinions.
Dennis
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2009, 12:43:16 PM
Post by: Dustin07 on November 19, 2009, 12:53:38 PM
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2009, 01:03:03 PM
Post by: Dustin07 on November 19, 2009, 01:06:19 PM
Just because 300Magnum had success doesn't mean that this "guide" has 100% success ratio......... :dunno:
who said he did :dunno:
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2009, 01:12:12 PM
Post by: Dustin07 on November 19, 2009, 01:14:06 PM
I guess I misunderstood what you were saying........ :Pyeah i'm just giving you grief :P I saw that he had 100% feedback (listed above) and perhaps made an inappropriate assumption.
even so. if someone can show me a guide that's less than $900 with 100% of the KNOWN customers showing success (haha) I'd like to see it. Big game guided hunts are pricey.
Post by: Buckmark on November 19, 2009, 01:16:49 PM
Looks like He's the poster child for this guy now..
Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 19, 2009, 01:53:08 PM
Just to clear some things up. He told me that I had to give him positive feedback in order for him to get the deposit from paypal. I gave him the feedback the day I paid for the hunt. I am no expert when it comes to ebay, or paypal. He has the system figured out for getting 1 time customers.
My main problem was he didn't know what he was doing, and the fact that he misled, and lied to me.
I am now wiser in this area.
Warmest Regards,
Dennis J. Ortenburg
Post by: Buckmark on November 19, 2009, 02:09:26 PM
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2009, 02:14:34 PM
He told me that I had to give him positive feedback in order for him to get the deposit from paypal.
Wow, that guy is a big liar....... :o
Post by: jollyskwala on November 19, 2009, 04:49:32 PM
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Post by: shoot-em-dead on November 19, 2009, 05:21:22 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on November 19, 2009, 05:40:18 PM
A particular fishing guide who has been around several years has a rap sheet a mile long of cheating customers out of trips that were paid for through eBay.
Kris
Post by: kramer on November 19, 2009, 07:35:34 PM
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Post by: kramer on November 19, 2009, 09:16:11 PM
Post by: hunter354 on November 20, 2009, 08:06:41 AM
Post by: Buckmark on November 20, 2009, 08:56:03 AM
Anyone else have a hard time reading that last post? :chuckle::yeah:
I tried to read it out loud.
I had to go get some aspirin for the headache.
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on November 20, 2009, 08:58:33 AM
Here is what I think I am the guy who took him hunting and he has exagerrated the truth a bit he paid to hunt on private property which he did I never guarenteed him a buck because you cant do that unless its a high fence. he left out the part that I picked him up and took him and his scooter hunting in the morning and the afternoon on private property we hunted a farm in the morning and a 2 square mile piece of private land in the afternoon. yes there were other hunters on there and there was some miscommunication with the land owner and myself but they were on the otherside of the property and did not affect his hunt at all HE GOT A BUCK I told him from the start it was a hot dry year over here and even offered to send him back his deposit he wanted to come anyways but again he forgot to post that! I gutted his deer and let him hang it in my garage and when I was skinning it I cut a little high my faul completely I never said I didnt know what I was doing nor did I put the heart and liver in a pile of crap I bagged this for him in a zip lock bag and put his deer in his car for him again forgot to put this in ! he even paid me a additional $100 for skinning and helping him that doesnt sound like a guy who got scammed if you ask me I provide a service for guys who work for a living and like to hunt there are no guarentees in hunting and they all sign a release form and this is included in it. we hunt private land and its cheap so why is he complaining I dont know he shot a decent buck the first day of his hunt and I did most of the work he even tipped me at the end we drank a beer afterwards. I did change the dates due to the 55 degree and windy weather we were having because a good hunter watches the weather and it was suppose top get cold around the time he was to come I was only trying to help increase his odds but HE forgot to tell you all this so think what you guys want I have hunted with quite a bit of diffrent people and thay have been sucessfull it's hunting not killing and all I guarentee is that the hunter will be in on land that has the game he is hunting and that it is private no hunting trip goes perfect but guys like this give the west side hunters a bad name too many expectations if you want to hunt with high expectations then go pay 2000 or 3000 grand to hunt a high fence area were they guarentee you a kill. This is no scam I offer a oppurtunity to harvest a animial no GUARENTEESI really wish people would learn to use spell check!!!!!
Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 20, 2009, 09:19:45 AM
I did not lie about 1 thing in my post here. You don't know how to gut a deer. You don't know how to skin a deer. You don't know how to fill out a license. You don't even know how to use your own trailcam. You did not hang my deer in your garage. You didn/t have a way to hang it. My girlfriend bought a tarp and it layed on that all night. I shot the first buck I saw because I didn't know if there was any others out there, and neither did you. That's what scouting or trailcams are for. I gave you a $100 tip because I thought that gutting, skinning, and quartering my deer was something I should have done all by myself if I didn't have a broken leg. You 80% gutted my deer. 40% skinned it (some stitching required), cut through the elbows, knees, spine, and held it, while I quartered it. That is why I gave you a tip. I am a more than fair man. I posted this because I wanted to hear others opinions. I just wished that you would have been honest and upfront from the beginning. Did you want to comment about telling me to give you a positive feedback so you could get paid from Paypal? I have gotten e-mails from others who have bought hunts from you and experienced the same BS. I'm not the first.
Post by: MichaelJ on November 20, 2009, 09:27:26 AM
Michael
Post by: boneaddict on November 20, 2009, 09:43:12 AM
Well 300, I think you lucked out. You're also lucky a Gamie didn't check you. WOW
Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 20, 2009, 09:50:10 AM
Why???
Post by: NWBrute on November 20, 2009, 11:25:31 AM
Post by: bamalefty on November 20, 2009, 11:34:36 AM
As for the other "guide" you guys discussed named Dan, I called him up after seeing his ad on Craiglist. Did not sound like a bad deal. He was even willing to work with me on price. I decided not to go on the hunt, but Dan sounded helpful and like he knew what he was doing.
Post by: squeeze2drop on November 20, 2009, 02:20:39 PM
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