Post by: jdb on November 09, 2009, 05:29:20 PM
Post by: MHWASH on November 09, 2009, 07:08:40 PM
Post by: Thefisherman83 on November 09, 2009, 07:11:21 PM
Post by: dbllunger on November 09, 2009, 08:44:53 PM
For a stocker it would be a Browning synthetic A-Bolt in 300WSM shooting 180 wide open plus.
Post by: Mookie on November 09, 2009, 09:58:19 PM
Savage 116 Weather Warrior 7 lb
Remington 700 SPS 7 5/8 lb
Remington 700 SPS Alaskan TI 6 1/4 lb
Leupold VX-2 3-9x40 12.0 oz
I have found that the 300 really does not kick all that bad when combined with a decent butt pad, about the same as a 30-06 with a hard rubber pad.
Post by: Wacenturion on November 09, 2009, 10:52:37 PM
Post by: Bofire on November 10, 2009, 08:08:11 AM
You sure as hell do not need any kind of "magnum".
Post by: yorketransport on November 10, 2009, 10:09:22 AM
Stevens 200 in 308 - $300\
Bushnell 3200 2-7x - $170
That should put you right about 7.5-8#. You could stop here, but what fun is that?
If you want something different, sell the 308 barrel, and screw on a 338 Federal or 358 Win barrel for $130.
I'm working on a similar rifle right now. I'm using a Savage 16 (stainless) and hope to screw on an 18.5" 358 Win barrel. But like many others, I have 10 projects started and none of them finished.
Andrew
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 10, 2009, 10:32:16 AM
Your criteria is so lacking.
-Do you need to 'build' a rifle or are you looking to buy something off the shelf that'll get the job done?
-Are you good enough to shoot out to 400yds for a kill shot?
-Do you hand load?
-Is the 7 1/2 pound weight 'including optics'?
-Blue or stainless finish?
-Almost seems like you're recoil shy. A lighter rifle, magnum cartridge might not be your best option. Are you looking for a wildcat cartridge or a venerable classic?
-What budget are you trying to stay within?
That said...
Savage 116 weather warrior with accutrigger. Glass/pillar bed the action. Pacmeyer Decelorator recoil system. Your chioce of optics. Pull the barrel off and have it reamed for 30-06Ackly Improved.
Shoot the snot out of it.
You could probably do the same with a Marlin XL7 series and save half a pound.
Spend more money on a Browning, or build a Mauser action with a Schillen barrel, but it'll weigh more.
-Steve
Post by: demontang on November 10, 2009, 01:19:55 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 10, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
OMG! Another, 'What should I build' question. Your criteria is so lacking.
-Do you need to 'build' a rifle or are you looking to buy something off the shelf that'll get the job done?
-Are you good enough to shoot out to 400yds for a kill shot?
-Do you hand load?
-Is the 7 1/2 pound weight 'including optics'?
-Blue or stainless finish?
-Almost seems like you're recoil shy. A lighter rifle, magnum cartridge might not be your best option. Are you looking for a wildcat cartridge or a venerable classic?
-What budget are you trying to stay within?
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What a Killjoy Steve, just answer the damn question :chuckle:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 10, 2009, 02:08:01 PM
Someone asks 'What should I build', and often, others jump in what what they have or what's their dream rifle.
338Fed.. Best thing since sliced bread? uh, NO. Anything marked WSM? Uh, NO. Anything marked RUM? Uh, NO.
He wants to keep weight down, but also keep recoil down. Then he's limited to lesser cartridges too.
400yds for Elk? If he wasn't recoil sensative, weak in the arms and is a seasoned reloader I'd say .338STA or .358Norma on a custom Mauser action with a Schillen or other quality fluted stainless barrel!
If he's poor, stick with my first suggestions. If he's more wealthy, go to a Browning in SS or a Howa action.
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just answer the damn question
Too many damn options still! :stirthepot:
-Steve
Post by: huntnphool on November 10, 2009, 02:12:04 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 10, 2009, 02:23:32 PM
Post by: Straight Shooter on November 10, 2009, 03:27:14 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 10, 2009, 03:39:10 PM
To do this right, He's going to have to define cartridge before he settles on hardware build.
-Steve
Post by: C-Money on November 10, 2009, 04:35:18 PM
Post by: jdb on November 10, 2009, 04:56:42 PM
Post by: wrangler on November 10, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
Post by: jdb on November 10, 2009, 05:22:06 PM
Post by: wrangler on November 10, 2009, 05:28:34 PM
I recognize the greatness of weatherby cartridges but have no desire to own one :dunno:
:o uhhh ok? short action and you want a 400yd elk stoppin rifle? huh... well anyhow i have a standard .280, its FANTASTIC deer cartridge! good luck!
Post by: jdb on November 10, 2009, 06:04:11 PM
:o uhhh ok? short action and you want a 400yd elk stoppin rifle? huh... well anyhow i have a standard .280, its FANTASTIC deer cartridge! good luck!
[/quote]do you think the 300wsm inadaquate for elk to 400 yards?
Post by: Bob33 on November 10, 2009, 06:11:44 PM
Post by: jdb on November 10, 2009, 06:26:33 PM
Tikka T3 fits your description very well. Light, relatively inexpensive, and accurate out of the box. Get a 270 WSM or 30-06. It will kill elk at 400 yards, but be reminded that it requires someone behind the stock with practiced expertise to ethically do so.agreed and today I am probably not up to the challenge if I were I would have killed a elk this year. Now dont think I am one of those guys who wants to sit on ridge tops and snipe animals from a distance, nothing could be further from the truth, I want a nice handy rifle that carries well but if I want to shoot something at long distance I want to feel I have enough rifle to do so
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 10, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
If you're buying brass, or factory cartridges, the 30-06 costs about half as much as any WSM. I just don't see any advantage of the .270wsm over the proven 30-06 that has a plethora of bullet selection, is also on a short action, is also not a belted case yet the saami pressure standard is 5,000psi less.
Even if you open your eyes to a .300wsm, there is also no advantage over the 30-06 Ackley. (the ackley does develope a bit more pressure)
If you had to buy ammo off the store shelf, finding the 30-06 available would be more likely than any of the wsm's in most areas.
Some people love'm. Doing the math.. I don't see any real advantage.
Look at the reload tables. The lighter bullets of .30cal perform the same as the heavier bullets in .270cal.
-Steve
Post by: jdb on November 10, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 10, 2009, 07:53:12 PM
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/m77HawkeyeUltraLight/models.html
HKM77RLFP 17136 .243 Win. 4 Black
Synthetic Stainless Steel/
Hawkeye Matte Stainless 20.00" 40.00" 6.50 lbs. 1:9" RH
HKM77RLFP 17138 .30-06 Sprg. 4 Black
Synthetic Stainless Steel/
Hawkeye Matte Stainless 20.00" 40.62" 6.25 lbs. 1:10" RH
The 30-06 weighs a bit less, and is only just over a 1/2" longer! It should carry very much the same.
One of the challenges is finding what "YOU" like. What feels good in the hand in the field. To 'build' a rifle, I'd always determine the cartridge first, then find an action/barrel/stock that fits that action and you. But if you like the Ultra Light, then you've got half the battle won.
That 700 (BDL?) weighs nearly a pound more, has a wider/thicker/deeper stock. -and to me is a beast in the hand.
You need to go to a gun store and put an Ultra light chambered for something larger, in your hand and see whether you're sure you like that. Buying something you like, off the shelf, will always be cheaper than 'building' a rifle.
Now, all that said, I suggested 30-06 since you wanted less recoil than a magnum. (it appeared) I think that most hunters that would shoot out to 400yds on Elk use more than even a 30-06. Yes, I know there are a bunch of you that use .270's and such with good success, (I don't want to hear it), then we get into the whole 7mm vs .30cal argument.
There's a reason the 30-06 is the second most popular centerfire hunting cartridge in the world. It is the most versital performer.
-Steve
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 10, 2009, 08:03:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 10, 2009, 08:54:27 PM
Post by: jdb on November 10, 2009, 09:45:12 PM
why don't you spend $250 and get a 300 win mag barrel for your encore and call it good? mine with the bull barrel and a 4-12 vortex scope weighs 8.6lbs on my bathroom scale....it carries really nicely. you could get a pro hunter barrel which is fluted and loose a few ounces.that my friend is a good idea! I could even get the flex stock and still be money ahead! hmmmm back to the drawing board!
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 10, 2009, 11:18:27 PM
Oh you have so many options!
Then again, it's not a bolt action repeater. It does not meet the 7.5 pound original requirement in the first post. :chuckle:
-Steve
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 10, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
WOW this thread went way farther and faster than I imagined! let me tell ya what I think then you guys tell me what you think how s that? I think I want a remington model 7 in 300 wsm stainless synthetic, I think I want a 180 grain accubond pushed to about 2900 fps, sighted in 3" high @ 100. I also think I want a leupold vxIII 3.5x10. I have no idea really what this would weigh but I hope it would come in around my 7.5 lbs mark any thoughts?
sounds like you got the right idea, i would say about 8lbs is what the weight would be.
Post by: jackelope on November 11, 2009, 07:26:20 AM
Will someone here point out where he said he's got an Encore? :bash:
Oh you have so many options!
Then again, it's not a bolt action repeater. It does not meet the 7.5 pound original requirement in the first post. :chuckle:
-Steve
i just knew he had one, Steve...and as far as weight goes...mine is about 8 1/2lbs with a stainless bull barrel, sling, scope, etc.
as far as bolt action repeaters go...
1 shot 1 kill.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 11, 2009, 09:17:31 AM
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1 shot 1 kill.:tup:
Post by: Alchase on November 11, 2009, 11:54:23 AM
That is unless you have fat fingers....then your SOL, LMAO
Actually I bought my son a Win, md 70 in 243 WSSM youth rifle. Pretty fun to shoot!
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2009, 03:04:23 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 11, 2009, 03:27:07 PM
Not an Elk or Bear round in my book.
Tell ya what... I'll let you throw a pebble at me as hard as you can from say 15ft. Then let me throw a brick at you from the same distance. Unless you hit my eye or my left nut, I figure that brick, -even though it'll be moving slower, is gonna hurt you a lot more than that pebble hurt me.
Yes, an exageration. But you get my point.
I do appreciate little screamers... But I prefer something with a little more mass and terminal performance. :chuckle:
-Steve
Post by: Rick on November 11, 2009, 04:15:31 PM
Chambered in the boring ol' 30-06 it'll kill elk at 400yds all day long.
If you think you'll need a magnum chambering it'll still come in under 7 1/2 lbs.
Post by: jdb on November 11, 2009, 05:40:23 PM
Post by: addicted on November 12, 2009, 06:58:46 AM
Post by: demontang on November 12, 2009, 08:16:19 AM
Post by: Rick on November 12, 2009, 08:18:02 AM
no offence to the owners and i mean no disrespect but i really dont care for the feel of a tikka. and I really dont see the 30-06 as flat shooting enough for accurate 400 yard shooting. please dont see this as me bashing this grand old cartridge, Im not but when I say I want a gun that will kill elk to 400 yards I mean without 2 feet of hold over or without sightin 6" high @ 100 yards.
180s out of a .300 WSM don't shoot all that much flatter than 180s out of an '06. With a .300 WSM you're still looking at 20" of drop at 400. With an '06 you're looking at about 24". Thats assuming both rifles are about 1.5-2" high at 100 yds.
Don't think I'm bashing the WSM,I actually own one. It just doesn't do enough more than an '06 to put up with the added cost of ammo,muzzle blast,and recoil. My buddy wants the WSM real bad,so its going down the road.
If EVERY shot I took at an elk was 400 yds,then the WSM would be a better choice.
Post by: jdb on November 12, 2009, 06:55:08 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 12, 2009, 07:13:51 PM
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Well if u are looking at WSM have u looked at the .325 or maybe a wild cat .338
Well, I figure JDB's one of those that likes screamin LITTLE bullets that fly flat. I already suggested the 308 Norma, which is really a 338Winmag necked down to .30cal. (I shoot a 30-338 -which is a 338win necked down to .30cal) But that jumps away from his original request for something that won't rattle his teeth out when he shoots it. -Um uh... And a 7mag doesn't do that?
Didn't get a response from my Pebble vs Brick post.
-Steve
Post by: jdb on November 12, 2009, 07:36:46 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 12, 2009, 08:49:41 PM
fluted pro hunter barrel, compact sized scope...oooohhh....aaahhhh...
mines got a brake on it and it kicks like a 270 or less...a 64 pound 11 year old didn't mind shooting mine.
i think coachcw had a 7 mag barrel for sale somewhere too if i remember correctly.
Post by: demontang on November 13, 2009, 07:49:29 AM
Post by: Bofire on November 13, 2009, 09:34:02 AM
Carl
Post by: Alchase on November 13, 2009, 12:31:51 PM
the venerable 243 WSSM! The bullets are fat little screamers, my wife calls them cute, lol.
I thought the VENERABLE part would have clued you
You guys do not do sarcasm well, lol
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 13, 2009, 12:41:03 PM
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30-06 ai any opinions
Post #24. I already mentioned that one, -if you're not lookin for magnum ballistics, want to be able to buy factory ammo that's quite a bit cheaper than any WSM on the store shelf, and that once fireformed/reloaded, has high potential to give better than factory 30-06 velocities.
Had I known you had an Encore, I'd have suggested a different barrel for it as Jackalope did. 300wm just wouldn't have been my suggested cartridge.
-Steve
Post by: jackelope on November 13, 2009, 01:43:36 PM
Post by: jdb on November 13, 2009, 03:59:19 PM
I know you mentioned it thats where I got the idea :PQuote30-06 ai any opinions
Post #24. I already mentioned that one, -if you're not lookin for magnum ballistics, want to be able to buy factory ammo that's quite a bit cheaper than any WSM on the store shelf, and that once fireformed/reloaded, has high potential to give better than factory 30-06 velocities.
-Steve
Post by: jdb on November 13, 2009, 04:00:18 PM
Hey if you want to shoot a .338win mag I have one and could bring it out if we go coyote hunting together :dunno:that would be great! and we do need to get to killin coyotes!
Post by: Elk-aholic on November 14, 2009, 09:43:33 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2009, 02:01:43 PM
Post by: jdb on November 14, 2009, 02:32:43 PM
he already has an encore.yep ;) I am thinking about a pro hunter barrel in 7mm remington magnum.