Post by: jumpin on November 11, 2009, 08:29:55 AM
Sunday eve. I was leaving the hills and came across at least 10 Gamies all lined up in a row, it was crazy! I have hunted in this area for over 15 years and have seen a warden once.
I felt totally violated, it was like there was another purpose. Needless to say they treated us with no respect.
Post by: Jason on November 11, 2009, 08:34:43 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 11, 2009, 08:38:33 AM
99.9% of the time guys are complaining because there's never any game wardens, now there are game wardens and there's folks complaining.
good gravy man...
how many violations have you seen in your 15 years of hunting there? i bet none....yet there will be someone else on here bitching about guys riding quads poaching elk in non motorized areas with rifles in bow season drinking beer.
which one's it gonna be?
this is a comical thread already.
Post by: spur_ride on November 11, 2009, 08:40:45 AM
Post by: washelkhntr on November 11, 2009, 08:43:13 AM
Post by: rougheye on November 11, 2009, 08:51:47 AM
Post by: Gobble on November 11, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Post by: gottatree on November 11, 2009, 08:56:47 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on November 11, 2009, 08:58:38 AM
Post by: EastWaViking on November 11, 2009, 09:06:42 AM
Hey did anyone get caught up in the check point in ryderwood?
Sunday eve. I was leaving the hills and came across at least 10 Gamies all lined up in a row, it was crazy! I have hunted in this area for over 15 years and have seen a warden once.
I felt totally violated, it was like there was another purpose. Needless to say they treated us with no respect.
:dunno: :cryriver:
Just doing their job. Be glad they were there, they probably caught some game violators that day.
Post by: Gobble on November 11, 2009, 09:12:16 AM
These gammies are here for YOU. to protect your hunting rights and to keep the bad folks from ruining your hunting opportunities. The gammies are on our side as long as you are on the straight and narrow. Think about what they are dealing with....Everyone they come across IS armed and they must be careful while checking people, this is no different than being pulled over by a cop, the only difference being everyone they are pulling over has a weapon.
Post by: BIGINNER on November 11, 2009, 09:15:41 AM
Post by: Axle on November 11, 2009, 09:19:32 AM
The gamies are privy to things like this. Some have lost their lives in the process.
Post by: jackelope on November 11, 2009, 09:23:33 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on November 11, 2009, 09:26:20 AM
then if there was 2 wardens someone would be bitching that it took too long to get through the line at the check point because there was only 2 wardens. if you haven't broke any laws, you shouldn't have anything to be worried about. let the people do their jobs and go on your way.TRUE....
WELL WHAT CAN I SAY. PEOPLE LIKE TO BITCH ABOUT EVERYTHING :dunno:
I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE IF THERE IS WARDENS AROUND OR NOT, I NEVER GOT ANY TROUBLE OR ATITUDE FROM THEM, BUT THEN AGAIN I HAVENT HUNTED LONG ENOUGH TO RUN INTO ANY IDIOTS IN THE FOREST.
Post by: GoldTip on November 11, 2009, 09:26:55 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 11, 2009, 09:45:06 AM
They've got a job to do. If we help them as much as possible, then we're helping ourselves.
-Steve
Post by: WCTaxidermy on November 11, 2009, 09:48:12 AM
Something may seem over the top to you, but I can assure you that your safety and theirs are the utmost priority to them. We need Law Enforcement out there to protect our hunting rights, and I think as ethical hunters we owe it to them to give them our cooperation.
I agree 100% that no Law Enforcement officer should be rude to any one! Everyone has a different perception of what rude is. Either way, I think we need to encourage them and try and work with them, instead of working against them. That is just my opinion. Ok, feel free to beat me up. John
Post by: jackelope on November 11, 2009, 09:51:30 AM
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And, as with all law enforcement, they are figuring 'everyone they pull over is armed'.
another super important point made right there.
every single person these guys check is armed. someone may be a felon with a weapon...illegal, i think they go back to jail for this. maybe they don't want to go back to prison. maybe they don't care who they shoot.
it's law enforcement, not nordstrom's customer service.
Post by: bearmanric on November 11, 2009, 10:00:18 AM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 11, 2009, 10:11:41 AM
GW should be out doing their jobs and catching people in the act. They should not be out stomping all over out constitution, even if idiots have made excuses for these acts (by idiots, I mean our courts).
:twocents:
No probably cause, no stopping. Can they stop you in your car just because you are in the act of driving? No!!! All checkpoints are unconstitutional, not just GW checkpoints.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 11, 2009, 10:21:57 AM
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Can they stop you in your car just because you are in the act of driving? No!!!
In principal I do agree. But there have been many cases against DUI checkpoints thrown out of courts. ("excuses for these acts (by idiots, I mean our courts)") -Agree'd.
If you have a harvested animal in a vehicle that is visible, then there's just cause for the gamie to validate the tag and legality of the animal in any area where there's restrictions set. (which is everywhere) If there's no animal visible, then there would need to be just cause for search, I believe.
-Steve
Post by: Bob33 on November 11, 2009, 10:24:29 AM
Post by: Gobble on November 11, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
QuoteCan they stop you in your car just because you are in the act of driving? No!!!
In principal I do agree. But there have been many cases against DUI checkpoints thrown out of courts. ("excuses for these acts (by idiots, I mean our courts)") -Agree'd.
If you have a harvested animal in a vehicle that is visible, then there's just cause for the gamie to validate the tag and legality of the animal in any area where there's restrictions set. (which is everywhere) If there's no animal visible, then there would need to be just cause for search, I believe.
-Steve
They can pull you over for speeding just like any officer can and write any ticket a State patrol officer can.
Post by: DBake on November 11, 2009, 02:15:41 PM
Hey did anyone get caught up in the check point in ryderwood?
Sunday eve. I was leaving the hills and came across at least 10 Gamies all lined up in a row, it was crazy! I have hunted in this area for over 15 years and have seen a warden once.
I felt totally violated, it was like there was another purpose. Needless to say they treated us with no respect.
Nice first or second post, welcome.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on November 11, 2009, 02:39:26 PM
Both of us were wearing sidearms in the vehicle, Deputy asked TES to unholster his pistol and put it on the dash and provide CWP as he was asked to exit the vehicle. Deputy with me only asked for my CWP.
Why did they ask for your CWP? Were the pistols concealed? Thankfully we live in a right to carry state (for now) and if your weapon is not concealed you don't have to have the permit (tax). :dunno:
Post by: THINK_N_ELK on November 11, 2009, 02:55:10 PM
Yes, people were being citted. From having a loaded weapon in the vehicle to not being able to present a valid tag. (Even though it stated on his hurting license that it was purchased. How do you prove that he was not up trying to get a second animal.) There is aways that jerkwad that pops a deer or cow and tries to get home without being seen. Even though we have a tag and license, to hunt these animals. They don't belong to just us the hunters. They belong to everyone, including the non-hunters.
Yes, in a round about way the Game Wardens do work for us, the general public. But they are also, trying to keep everyone safe. As well as to preserve our natural resources, for generations to come.
I think the check stations are a good thing. It lets the poachers know that they are out there. In the past, tips of illegal activities have been reported at check stains. IE; Last year in Vail a Hunter was turned in for shooting a fawn and leaving it.
Most people respond with the same attitude that is projected at them.
Post by: duckmen1 on November 11, 2009, 03:02:46 PM
wish there could be more
Post by: countywarrior on November 11, 2009, 03:09:54 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 11, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
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Why did they ask for your CWP? Were the pistols concealed?
Both of us had our 44mags in shoulder holsters under jackets/orange vests. As a courtesy, we both told the officers that we were armed. I've talked to a lot of LEO's over the years. Every one of them has said they appreciate being told in advance. -Especially by law abiding civilians.
-Steve
Post by: dontgetcrabs on November 11, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on November 11, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
QuoteWhy did they ask for your CWP? Were the pistols concealed?
Both of us had our 44mags in shoulder holsters under jackets/orange vests. As a courtesy, we both told the officers that we were armed. I've talked to a lot of LEO's over the years. Every one of them has said they appreciate being told in advance. -Especially by law abiding civilians.
-Steve
Ya that I understand. I have a brother-in-law in law enforcement and several friends.
Post by: jumpin on November 11, 2009, 03:42:57 PM
Maybe I was still a little pissed from the day before when on the east side of I-5 A sheriff blocked the road in front of us and told me to leave the area immediately because they were arresting hunters.
I was on my way to town on a public road to get a burger.
I guess the good thing is my son learned alot on that trip.
Post by: PA BEN on November 11, 2009, 03:47:44 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on November 11, 2009, 03:48:23 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 11, 2009, 03:50:58 PM
Post by: DBake on November 11, 2009, 04:09:17 PM
Ok, I agree with most all of the comments, It was my 10 year old sons first tag this year. I have nothing against wardens or playing by the rules.
Maybe I was still a little pissed from the day before when on the east side of I-5 A sheriff blocked the road in front of us and told me to leave the area immediately because they were arresting hunters.
I was on my way to town on a public road to get a burger.
I guess the good thing is my son learned alot on that trip.
I hope he learned by your example (that is what most kids do) to treat people the way you want to be treated, law enforcement or no law enforcement.
Post by: corktex on November 11, 2009, 04:20:05 PM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 11, 2009, 04:32:42 PM
Not to hard to see how people lose their freedoms after a little time reading boards like these.
Sad really, just sad. Must have something to hide he says. As if that makes any sense at all.
Also, it shows a total lack of understanding of our constitution.
went through a check point last year. Right at the little rattlesnake and the Mcdaniels lake Y. Very professional and very courteous. Even had an unopened beer in the truck. Wardens seen the beer asked if it was the only container, which it was, checked the guns for being loaded and sent us on our way. Very professional very courteous and very speedy. Seems to me if your on here b i t c h i n than you must have something to hide. To much damn poaching going on to not have the checkpoints. Great job i say. Keep it up.
Post by: Gutpile on November 11, 2009, 04:44:07 PM
Hey did anyone get caught up in the check point in ryderwood?
Sunday eve. I was leaving the hills and came across at least 10 Gamies all lined up in a row, it was crazy! I have hunted in this area for over 15 years and have seen a warden once.
I felt totally violated, it was like there was another purpose. Needless to say they treated us with no respect.
Violated? Wow. When I went through it went like this "what were you hunting? Where were you hunting? Did you see any? Did you get any? Thanks very much for stopping have a great day" It was AWEFULL!!!!
Post by: corktex on November 11, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
Post by: Crunchy on November 11, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
Post by: andrew_12gauge on November 11, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
Post by: medic6 on November 11, 2009, 05:14:30 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 11, 2009, 05:15:02 PM
i will take a moment and flash back on my original statement. i think post #2 in this thread.
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this must be my top 2 funniest threads ever on here.
99.9% of the time guys are complaining because there's never any game wardens, now there are game wardens and there's folks complaining.
good gravy man...
how many violations have you seen in your 15 years of hunting there? i bet none....yet there will be someone else on here bitching about guys riding quads poaching elk in non motorized areas with rifles in bow season drinking beer.
which one's it gonna be?
this is a comical thread already.
people need to make up their frickin minds...is it not enough game wardens or too many?
or does what gets complained about vary by which day of the week it is....
Post by: stumprat on November 11, 2009, 05:22:37 PM
My recreational license, which I must sign reads "I agree to show all licenses, transport tags, catch record cards, my drivers license and any fish and game to a Department of Fish and Wildlife employee when requested."
:yeah: Hunting is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT.
Post by: jackelope on November 11, 2009, 05:24:09 PM
and because of that, i wonder why this thread even exists.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on November 11, 2009, 05:31:01 PM
Post by: andrew_12gauge on November 11, 2009, 05:32:17 PM
by the way this is my 1000th post, what do i get :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 11, 2009, 05:46:38 PM
Post by: PA BEN on November 11, 2009, 06:51:21 PM
Fish and Wildlife Check Stations
Any hunter may be directed to stop at WDFW check stations and produce
wildlife in their possession. Fish and Wildlife Officers may stop any person
involved in a hunting or fishing activity for the purpose of inspecting
hunting and fishing equipment, licenses, tags, or catch record cards and
to inspect all fish and wildlife in their possession.
Post by: Bob33 on November 11, 2009, 06:55:31 PM
You get to post your 1001st post! :IBCOOL:
Post by: rasbo on November 11, 2009, 06:57:06 PM
"by the way this is my 1000th post, what do i get"HIP HIP SO!!! LOL Glad your on here
You get to post your 1001st post! :IBCOOL:
Post by: jmoyer2 on November 11, 2009, 08:29:01 PM
Checkpoints are unconstitutional.... no matter what some nut judge or applogist says.
GW should be out doing their jobs and catching people in the act. They should not be out stomping all over out constitution, even if idiots have made excuses for these acts (by idiots, I mean our courts).
:twocents:
No probably cause, no stopping. Can they stop you in your car just because you are in the act of driving? No!!! All checkpoints are unconstitutional, not just GW checkpoints.
Post by: saylean on November 11, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
I have never had an issue with a check point. My best friends Dad used to check us up at North Bend all the time when I first started hunting.
Post by: jackelope on November 11, 2009, 08:34:21 PM
here's what the regs say like PA Ben posted
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Page 15, 2009 reg.s
Fish and Wildlife Check Stations
Any hunter may be directed to stop at WDFW check stations and produce
wildlife in their possession. Fish and Wildlife Officers may stop any person
involved in a hunting or fishing activity for the purpose of inspecting
hunting and fishing equipment, licenses, tags, or catch record cards and
to inspect all fish and wildlife in their possession.
by signing up and buying a hunting license you are signing up for or permitting under your own doing, the wdfw to possibly check you over if you look like you are hunting. you sign a piece of paper authorizig that. i'm not sure how people can say it's unconstitutional. :dunno:
if you don't break the game laws, you don't have anything to worry about at a checkpoint...just like if you don't get drunk and drive your vehicle you don't have anything to worry about at a DUI check point.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 11, 2009, 09:37:32 PM
Post by: fishm@n on November 11, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
Post by: dbllunger on November 11, 2009, 10:00:12 PM
Post by: mulehunter on November 11, 2009, 10:13:15 PM
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: georgia redneck on November 11, 2009, 10:21:53 PM
Post by: DBake on November 11, 2009, 10:26:01 PM
Even if you buddy did notch his tag but didn't complete removed the month or day you can still be fine, don't believe me? Read page 65, 1.1
"1. Validated: Cut out and completely remove the month and day of kill. Month and day must be completely removed. A slit is not acceptable."
Post by: dbllunger on November 11, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
Post by: dewandgin on November 11, 2009, 10:39:24 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 12, 2009, 07:38:25 AM
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I do not feel bad about scaring the *censored* out of the guy before he left camp. Gamy or not ;man to man; the guy should be ashamed of himself it was a useless and uncalled for ticket.
I bet he was shaking in his boots.
your buddy broke the law and he got a ticket for it.
Post by: boneaddict on November 12, 2009, 07:59:24 AM
Post by: countywarrior on November 12, 2009, 08:49:34 AM
thot thar is a rationul statemunt.please explain it to me than....... Says right in the book when you purchase your license you agree to cooperate and show your documentation to any field officer when asked to do so..... Now your B I TCHIN about the constitutional rights.... There not taking your guns.... That is unless your breaking the law...Please explain to me just how the constitution comes into play when being checked by a warden?
Not to hard to see how people lose their freedoms after a little time reading boards like these.
Sad really, just sad. Must have something to hide he says. As if that makes any sense at all.
Also, it shows a total lack of understanding of our constitution.went through a check point last year. Right at the little rattlesnake and the Mcdaniels lake Y. Very professional and very courteous. Even had an unopened beer in the truck. Wardens seen the beer asked if it was the only container, which it was, checked the guns for being loaded and sent us on our way. Very professional very courteous and very speedy. Seems to me if your on here b i t c h i n than you must have something to hide. To much damn poaching going on to not have the checkpoints. Great job i say. Keep it up.
Post by: barneyfife on November 12, 2009, 10:55:42 AM
Post by: Galpster on November 12, 2009, 11:07:55 AM
One question on loaded guns. I like many of you have a CWP, would that allow us to have our firearms loaded? I don't get that law. Why can't I have my firearm loaded?
Post by: Bean Counter on November 12, 2009, 11:18:18 AM
One question on loaded guns. I like many of you have a CWP, would that allow us to have our firearms loaded? I don't get that law. Why can't I have my firearm loaded?
No need to quit CCW just bc you're hunting or driving. The hunting law pertains to loaded longarms.
Post by: Galpster on November 12, 2009, 11:21:25 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 12, 2009, 11:27:00 AM
I have been in Law Enforcement for over 23 years. I have worked side by side with our states Game Agents. I wouldn't have their job for ALL the tea in China. My rookie year, a Washington State Game Agent (Terry Hoffer) was shot and killed by an elk hunter with a loaded gun in his jeep. CHECK POINTS....WE need 'em. I just helped with 2 illegally taken elk last week. 1 hunter shot 2 elk and put a 2008 tag on one of them. That hunter robbed the rest of you, from a chance at getting a legal bull. Anyone who disagrees with check points.....take up fishing. :)
HERE HERE.
Post by: boneaddict on November 12, 2009, 11:29:58 AM
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Anyone who disagrees with check points.....take up fishing
Should have them on the river, lake and dock as well. :)
Post by: boneaddict on November 12, 2009, 11:31:41 AM
Post by: georgia redneck on November 12, 2009, 11:33:00 AM
Rules are rules, period.No sh@# never said he did not have the right to ticket him only that the ticket was completely ticky tack and he knew it. I can see giving a ticket to someone who intentionaly was trying to hide something or do something wrong but this ws not the case and he did not have to give that ticket. Laws are laws I know but they are there to keep the dishonest honest not to penalize someone for such a simple mistake. If he was trying to hide it I could understand to, but it ws hanging in plain site he ws just so excited he forgot to notch the month. :stup: that try to make themselves sound smarter than the rest. Did you realy think I do not know the laws. Cop's give warnings all the time that is all he had to do. My budy is a Fireman too it did not look good on his record, Gamy was just being an a@#hole.
Even if you buddy did notch his tag but didn't complete removed the month or day you can still be fine, don't believe me? Read page 65, 1.1
"1. Validated: Cut out and completely remove the month and day of kill. Month and day must be completely removed. A slit is not acceptable."
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 12, 2009, 11:36:21 AM
Post by: georgia redneck on November 12, 2009, 11:42:05 AM
Post by: Axle on November 12, 2009, 01:38:17 PM
However, they have to answer for every action they do.
Now lets say for instance - the gamie is nice and warns you. Then you get on this forum and brag about officer bendmeover and how the officer could've given out a ticket but was nice enough to let you do it right after officer bendyouover gives you the opportunity.
Well.....then Monday morning comes around and officer bendthemover is chastised for not doing the correct thing as per the boss's demands and company policy. Then there is the backlash of not getting a raise or promosion etc. etc.
I have done things in my occupation that I did not like at all and it was against my moral judgment but it was company policy (whether written or unwritten policy, it does not matter). I know most if not all of us have had this happen and we did what we had to because of higher authority.
Just this year I helped a guy with a deer. Before I helped him, I asked if he notched his tag. He had not so I waited. He pulled it out and pulled off the flap in the hole where the string goes through for tying it on the deer. He really thought he was done. I then instructed him on what he had to do. Then I said - 'read the regs'.
Post by: countywarrior on November 12, 2009, 01:55:35 PM
With all that said I applaud the members of our police forces and our Game Warden's and I do not envy there job at all. With all the idiots in the woods that they have to deal with who are carrying guns....it is a tough job and most do it with pride and integrity and again I applaud them. This guy was just and a@#hole who deserved to be treated as such. Just because they carry a badge does not give them the right to talk to or treat people in a manner with which this guy was treating my budy a member of the Fire Department for 15 years. He made a simple mistake and he knew the Regualtions the Gamy could have dealt with it differently but he did not,,,,,,,,a jerk is jerk no matter what you'r job title is.you know your a redneck if you break the law and than bitch about attitude........
Post by: sako223 on November 12, 2009, 02:20:33 PM
Post by: barneyfife on November 12, 2009, 03:19:52 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on November 12, 2009, 03:37:51 PM
Post by: georgia redneck on November 12, 2009, 04:14:49 PM
I did not break the law there skippie and if you are going to push accusations and talk sh@# reserve it to when you can talk to someone face to face.With all that said I applaud the members of our police forces and our Game Warden's and I do not envy there job at all. With all the idiots in the woods that they have to deal with who are carrying guns....it is a tough job and most do it with pride and integrity and again I applaud them. This guy was just and a@#hole who deserved to be treated as such. Just because they carry a badge does not give them the right to talk to or treat people in a manner with which this guy was treating my budy a member of the Fire Department for 15 years. He made a simple mistake and he knew the Regualtions the Gamy could have dealt with it differently but he did not,,,,,,,,a jerk is jerk no matter what you'r job title is.you know your a redneck if you break the law and than bitch about attitude........
Post by: Buckmark on November 12, 2009, 04:16:56 PM
Post by: georgia redneck on November 12, 2009, 04:21:47 PM
Bear in mind that some of those gamies don't like giving out tickets. They would probably rather tell the guy to notch it correctly and then have a beer with the guy.Cops give warnings out all the time are you saying they do not have the discretion to do the same, if so then I guess my opinion is unfounded but i would immagine they have the same discretion as police do if they deem it to be appropriate; without being chastized from supperiors.
However, they have to answer for every action they do.
Now lets say for instance - the gamie is nice and warns you. Then you get on this forum and brag about officer bendmeover and how the officer could've given out a ticket but was nice enough to let you do it right after officer bendyouover gives you the opportunity.
Well.....then Monday morning comes around and officer bendthemover is chastised for not doing the correct thing as per the boss's demands and company policy. Then there is the backlash of not getting a raise or promosion etc. etc.
I have done things in my occupation that I did not like at all and it was against my moral judgment but it was company policy (whether written or unwritten policy, it does not matter). I know most if not all of us have had this happen and we did what we had to because of higher authority.
Just this year I helped a guy with a deer. Before I helped him, I asked if he notched his tag. He had not so I waited. He pulled it out and pulled off the flap in the hole where the string goes through for tying it on the deer. He really thought he was done. I then instructed him on what he had to do. Then I said - 'read the regs'.
Post by: huntnphool on November 12, 2009, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: Big Guy on November 12, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
Hey did anyone get caught up in the check point in ryderwood?
Sunday eve. I was leaving the hills and came across at least 10 Gamies all lined up in a row, it was crazy! I have hunted in this area for over 15 years and have seen a warden once.
I felt totally violated, it was like there was another purpose. Needless to say they treated us with no respect.
Nice first or second post, welcome.
Who care's how many post's he made. Does that really make a difference.
Post by: georgia redneck on November 12, 2009, 05:13:37 PM
They actually have more jurisdiction than the police.My point exactly.
Post by: Gutpile on November 12, 2009, 06:43:10 PM
Post by: Axle on November 12, 2009, 06:58:41 PM
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Cops give warnings out all the time are you saying they do not have the discretion to do the same
They do have discretion to 'write' or 'not write' a ticket in many situations like this.
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if so then I guess my opinion is unfounded
You have a good opinion and one which I respect and like.
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i would imagine they have the same discretion as police do if they deem it to be appropriate; without being chastized from supperiors.
Yes, I'm sure they do but remember, this is a tough economy and they have requirements from superiors. These requirements are getting tougher these days. If they don't do what is required and expected, then they get the axe and another fills his or her place.
I don't want you or your friends to get tickets for something trivial like this but the gamie has a job to do. If they don't do it the way they are expected, then they will be out and another will fill the place.
I think reading the regs is easy and necessary. I think the mistake is a missfortune for the hunter. I think we all go through tough situations like this.
I also think Barneyfife backs me up pretty well and I appreciate it. He is in a similar situation in his line of work. I sure wouldn't want to do it!
Post by: georgia redneck on November 12, 2009, 07:19:28 PM
I've been throught firearm safety with both of my daughters and each time a gamy came in to give his little talk. The most common violation is not tagging or improperly tagging an animal. They strongly stress it. They can ticket you even if a little bit of the day/month is left. They gave several tags that were confiscated as examples and you wouldn't believe the crap people pull. Anyways I sure understand your frustration but that's the deal. You speed, you get a ticket. You improperly tag you get a ticket. I'd be pissed either way but not at the cop. I'd be pissed at myself. :twocents:Point well taken, we were just pissed in the way it was done. The incident happened years ago.
Post by: TheHunt on November 12, 2009, 07:50:36 PM
I have pictures of most of the game checks. Every officer did not mind getting in the picture with my son handing his paperwork for them to OK. In fact they were pretty cool about it.
Post by: countywarrior on November 13, 2009, 07:00:56 AM
too funny........I did not break the law there skippie and if you are going to push accusations and talk sh@# reserve it to when you can talk to someone face to face.With all that said I applaud the members of our police forces and our Game Warden's and I do not envy there job at all. With all the idiots in the woods that they have to deal with who are carrying guns....it is a tough job and most do it with pride and integrity and again I applaud them. This guy was just and a@#hole who deserved to be treated as such. Just because they carry a badge does not give them the right to talk to or treat people in a manner with which this guy was treating my budy a member of the Fire Department for 15 years. He made a simple mistake and he knew the Regualtions the Gamy could have dealt with it differently but he did not,,,,,,,,a jerk is jerk no matter what you'r job title is.you know your a redneck if you break the law and than bitch about attitude........
Post by: Galpster on November 13, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
Too funny
Okay buttercup!!!!
Post by: countywarrior on November 13, 2009, 02:08:18 PM
Post by: georgia redneck on November 13, 2009, 06:38:32 PM
Listen here skippy!!
Too funny
Okay buttercup!!!!
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Post by: Yelm hunter on November 13, 2009, 09:29:50 PM
Post by: rougheye on November 14, 2009, 07:44:36 AM
Post by: strutnrut1984 on November 14, 2009, 04:01:35 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 14, 2009, 07:38:10 PM
....the ticket was completely ticky tack and he knew it. I can see giving a ticket to someone who intentionaly was trying to hide something or do something wrong but this ws not the case and he did not have to give that ticket. Laws are laws I know but they are there to keep the dishonest honest not to penalize someone for such a simple mistake. If he was trying to hide it I could understand to, but it ws hanging in plain site he ws just so excited he forgot to notch the month. :stup: that try to make themselves sound smarter than the rest. Did you realy think I do not know the laws. Cop's give warnings all the time that is all he had to do. My budy is a Fireman too it did not look good on his record, Gamy was just being an a@#hole.
I am so sick of comments like yours. Crying about a ticket someone got for not following the rules they agreed to follow. Hopefully your firefighter friend learns to follow what he is trained in firefighting a bit better than he did by reading his hunting license and regulations.
Redneck, you even learned to properly validate your tag, when your buddy was cited. I say we the taxpayers got two times the value out of that citation. Now, you have shared with the entire state. I would say that citation is proving to be very effective.
The facts are that some of us have a serious problem following rules, and then even additional problems dealing with being confronted with the commanding presence of law enforcement, and always leave feeling that the officer has the problem. I am glad your friend got cited. Many learned from it.
Post by: agchawk on November 14, 2009, 08:36:40 PM
The warden who wrote the citation was very understanding but explained to me that he would have to cite me for it. He even wrote on the ticket "Unintentional" and told me to explain the issue to the judge. I ended up paying a reduced fine and learned my lesson.
Was it intentional? NO. However, I was man enough to admit my mistake and take the punishment that was metted out. I'll tell you this much, I sure learned my lesson and am careful to make sure all my "I's" are dotted and "T's" are crossed.
I also ran into a check station in Idaho this year. Again, the wardens were very cool and I even stuck around to chat with a couple of them for a while and check out the game that came through while I was there.
These guys have a difficult job and have to cover a lot of country. My hat's off to each and every one of them.
Post by: MichaelD on November 14, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
This year in the blues we were glassing a canyon and a warden pulled up behind us. Asked us to see our licesnces, checked our rifles, then went on to talk about all the elk he had come across the previous couple of days, a big bull that was taken up the road, and discussed his plans to hunt on his days off. First time in 20+ years I had been checked.
I think that one thing that gets passed by in these discussions is that these guys (and gals) are hunters just like us and enjoy some of the same activities, such as hunting and outdoors, that we do. I doubt many of the wardens or officers like to cite regular joes out there hunting and making an honest go of it, but I am also sure there are sticklers for the rules and they are totally in their rights to cite people who break the game rules.
But to complain about not getting a warning when the person is in violation is silly. The most common violations, and as was said before, one of the most stressed points in hunter education classes is properly tagging an animal. We all know it, it is written in the book AND on the tags. Violation is a violation. Take a look at this post, imagine how many additional people will make sure they properly tag their animals after reading 7, 8 or more pages about these issues. Heck, I even bought a leatherman multi tool last year with scissors just to propperly notch my tags so I can make sure I cut it out correctly and don't leave any of the date/month uncut.
Keep up the good work gamies!
Post by: georgia redneck on November 14, 2009, 11:44:30 PM
DO you only read what you want to . It kills me how guys like you can come on here and make accusations without ever having read all of the posts an individual made you realy think you are the shi@ huh. WEll Iceman, read all of what I said abut the situation before you make assumptions and then if you have the same opinnion....well the only thing I can say is FFFFFFFFOOOOOOO.........the ticket was completely ticky tack and he knew it. I can see giving a ticket to someone who intentionaly was trying to hide something or do something wrong but this ws not the case and he did not have to give that ticket. Laws are laws I know but they are there to keep the dishonest honest not to penalize someone for such a simple mistake. If he was trying to hide it I could understand to, but it ws hanging in plain site he ws just so excited he forgot to notch the month. :stup: that try to make themselves sound smarter than the rest. Did you realy think I do not know the laws. Cop's give warnings all the time that is all he had to do. My budy is a Fireman too it did not look good on his record, Gamy was just being an a@#hole.
I am so sick of comments like yours. Crying about a ticket someone got for not following the rules they agreed to follow. Hopefully your firefighter friend learns to follow what he is trained in firefighting a bit better than he did by reading his hunting license and regulations.
Redneck, you even learned to properly validate your tag, when your buddy was cited. I say we the taxpayers got two times the value out of that citation. Now, you have shared with the entire state. I would say that citation is proving to be very effective.
The facts are that some of us have a serious problem following rules, and then even additional problems dealing with being confronted with the commanding presence of law enforcement, and always leave feeling that the officer has the problem. I am glad your friend got cited. Many learned from it.
Post by: ICEMAN on November 15, 2009, 06:22:53 AM
Look dude, someone has to step up and set a good example for society, it may be a cop, or a gamie, or just an average hunter who decides to follow the rules which govern our sport. Be a man and take the consequences of your actions without trying to label the gamie a bad guy.
Post by: rasbo on November 15, 2009, 06:51:35 AM
I can tell you I do not feel bad about scaring the *censored* out of the guy before he left camp. Gamy or not ;man to man; the guy should be ashamed of himself it was a useless and uncalled for ticket.
Hmm !!! Statements like that,Your lucky I wasnt the game Warden,Attitude like that could have possibly taken your buddies illegally tagged elk.when I smack myself in the thumb with a hammer,I dont cuss the hammer :dunno: sorry hard to side with ya when your wrong
Post by: countywarrior on November 16, 2009, 03:38:53 PM
Post by: heavy hauler on November 16, 2009, 05:37:41 PM
Post by: countywarrior on November 16, 2009, 10:11:44 PM
Post by: Sneekee23 on November 17, 2009, 12:07:18 AM
You hear about it every year a bow hunter who is up scouting during rifle season out with his or her family and friends. But oh ya they have the right do to the fact that he or she is legal because they can shoot a coyote with their hunting licence that is sitting in the glove box. Or the rifle hunter who has a bow tag for deer so he or she is bow hunting deer in September and is out bugling at every spot they can drive up to. But hang on, that rifle hunter is now a bow hunting for elk do to the fact that he or she can shoot an elk with their bow and drive down to the nearest store and buy a damn bow tag for elk after the fact.
There should be several Game Wardens in every unit setting up stings exc. and State Patrol Officers at every access point and check points. The real sh___ aspect of all this is the fact that these so called hunters oh i mean killers is the fact that their kids are brought up with the same values.
Post by: cmiller85 on November 17, 2009, 01:05:25 AM
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Personally I think that anyone who has been ticketed for any fish and game violation should be banned for life from hunting and fishing in any state. Call it harsh but in all actuality for all of us who obey the laws and can actually read should not have to put up with this bs.
I don't understand the reasoning here....Does this mean that everyone cited for any traffic violation should be banned from driving a car in every other state as well? The problem here is that everyday, good, honest and ethical hunters can make an honest mistake. Worse yet, a Game Warden could make questionable judgement call (mistake) and there would be no more hunting for you. This would tie up the courts in lawsuits.
As far as citations go, they are necessary and beneficial in certain situations, but not all situations are the same. It is for this reason that Wardens need to be allowed to use some discretion. The problem is likely due to the rediculous standards the WDFW has set forth for its Wardens to follow. The Game Wardens, as it has been argued, aren't necessarily the "Bad Guys" simply because they issue rediculous citations; However, Under no circumstance should an obvious, unintentional violation carry the same penalty as a blatant disregard for the law. Its absurd.
This is especially true since anyone with a shred of so called "Common Sense" can poach any day of the week and get away with it; check points or not. Check points aren't going to necessarily stop poaching. For Instance, I could go shoot any big game animal, correctly notch my tag, go through a check point and stop at Wal-Mart on the way home and say I "Lost" my other tag. Without any questions asked, they would print me a new tag right then and there for $8. Then I'm free to go out and shoot another animal the very next day. So just because a Game Warden checks a hunter who has properly notched his tag doesn't mean the hunter hasn't poached an animal.
Whether it was the Game Warden being an A-Hole or just following a rediculous order from WDFW, it is still rediculous to cite a hunter as though he was deliberately trying to break the law when a 5-second observation of the situation would indicate otherwise.
Post by: Sneekee23 on November 17, 2009, 06:20:31 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 17, 2009, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 17, 2009, 07:25:21 AM
I can see giving a ticket to someone who intentionaly was trying to hide something or do something wrong but this ws not the case and he did not have to give that ticket. Laws are laws I know but they are there to keep the dishonest honest not to penalize someone for such a simple mistake. If he was trying to hide it I could understand to, but it ws hanging in plain site he ws just so excited he forgot to notch the month. :stup: that try to make themselves sound smarter than the rest. Did you realy think I do not know the laws. Cop's give warnings all the time that is all he had to do. My budy is a Fireman too it did not look good on his record, Gamy was just being an a@#hole.
First of all, the decision whether to issue a verbal or written warning, or a citation, is at the officer's discretion, not the rude and disrespectful a-hole hunting buddy's discretion. Second of all, it is not always at the officer's discretion; if it was a high crime area, he may have been working under instructions to cite every violation. Third, because other hunters - and nonhunters - complain about lax enforcement and demand more citations, officers get instructed to write most if not all violations detected.
The officer usually knows what they are going to do with each type of violation, before they detect it. However, they also make decisions based on other factors. When you - or your camp - are rude, disrespectful, belligerent, threatening, whatever, the last thing an enforcement officer wants to do is reward bad behavior. You and your attitude may have gotten your buddy his ticket.
Post by: M.Tumlinson on November 17, 2009, 08:06:20 AM
Post by: M.Tumlinson on November 17, 2009, 08:13:35 AM
I read just fine, and considering the threatening email you sent to me, I confirm your inability to deal with the truth, and buck up to the consequences of not following the rules.
Look dude, someone has to step up and set a good example for society, it may be a cop, or a gamie, or just an average hunter who decides to follow the rules which govern our sport. Be a man and take the consequences of your actions without trying to label the gamie a bad guy.
I like you! Couldn't have said it better.
Post by: Bean Counter on November 17, 2009, 08:34:27 AM
The court will rule on whether suspicionless seizures of this nature have a law enforcement benefit that outweighs the temporary detention that the citizen endures while the gamie makes his inspection. The SCOTUS has previously ruled suspicionless checkpoints legal for both DUI and Border Patrol Checkpoints.
Post by: turkey buster on November 17, 2009, 09:47:34 AM
afterward the gamy was very aware of our opinion and I can tell you I do not feel bad about scaring the *censored* out of the guy before he left camp. Gamy or not
this post was about check points and the gamy's being rude, huh wonder why? keep up the good work
chuck
Post by: heavy hauler on November 17, 2009, 05:13:24 PM
Post by: ww1rdb on November 18, 2009, 09:19:43 AM
as for the lack of respect I would imagine if you saw the jerks they deal with during the season you would wonder..I hunt deer in Okanogan and rarely ever see a warden.. in fact in 34 years I think I have seen one 2 times..
this year we met one on the way out to hunt a different area..well he stopped us and checked licenses and guns and at first was very abrupt..well we kidded around with him and by the time we left he was happy....seems the new kid he was training was late so he was alone...
in fact he kept looking at my buddies Leupold Binos and saying sure wish you had a violation I like those binos...hahaha...kept my swarovskis hidden...so I would like to see more of them out there but that is just my opinion...last thing, the only time i have seen that many wardens in one place was when clam season first opens...hahahaha
the best to you all....
Post by: GEARHEAD on November 18, 2009, 01:18:23 PM
i would like to see a more pro-active old school approach to their law enforcement practices, seems they have gotten abit lazy, sitting at check points and hanging around butcher shops hoping to find a torn or cut tag. i would like to see them in the woods, and not driving a gold ford. i would like to see them setting decoys more for the raod hunters and trespassers that have overwelmed the palouse area i hunt. where i hunt, a simple decoy would guarantee a couple dozen arrests a day.
Post by: blindpig on November 19, 2009, 04:52:50 AM
Hey did anyone get caught up in the check point in ryderwood?Doesn't surprise me
Sunday eve. I was leaving the hills and came across at least 10 Gamies all lined up in a row, it was crazy! I have hunted in this area for over 15 years and have seen a warden once.
I felt totally violated, it was like there was another purpose. Needless to say they treated us with no respect.