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Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: funkster on November 19, 2009, 08:28:00 AM

Title: Hoyt carbon matrix!
Post by: funkster on November 19, 2009, 08:28:00 AM: I can't believe know one is talking about this bow. This bow is the first of it's kind. I have not shot one (can't wait) yet but the talk is that is awesome. At 3.9 lbs it is almost a pound lighter than any hunting bow I have seen. 35 inch axle to axle with a 7.25 brace height and I hear it is super smooth to draw. Price tag is steep,I hear around $1500 bow only! Check it out at let me know what you all think.

http://www.hoyt.com/compound_bows/hoyt_carbon_matrix_compound_bow.php
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Post by: 1bowhunter1 on November 19, 2009, 08:35:14 AM: Dear Santa!
Please bring me a Carbon Matrix...... :drool:
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Post by: mossback91 on November 19, 2009, 08:39:27 AM: supposed to be super accurate! Less flex with the carbon riser which makes it a better shooter :dunno:
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Post by: funkster on November 19, 2009, 08:44:09 AM: I was at the shop the other day and was told they had 1 in for less than a day,guy dropped $2500! When I get a new bow I usually spend around $1500 but that is for a total set up!

I want to shoot one but I don't at the same time. I don't want to want one! It's like looking into a pair of Swarovski!
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Post by: jackelope on November 19, 2009, 08:45:14 AM: i saw one at the nock point a couple weeks ago. they sold the 1 they had for $1700.00 and Bill said he's not a hoyt guy but that bow would change his mind...i will say that a bare bow for $1700 it better be awesome.
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Post by: 1bowhunter1 on November 19, 2009, 08:47:18 AM: If its fast as they say......must have it!!
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Post by: jackelope on November 19, 2009, 08:48:40 AM: .
Title: Re: Hoyt carbon matrix!
Post by: bowhuntin on November 19, 2009, 03:39:07 PM: Quote from: funkster on November 19, 2009, 08:28:00 AM
I can't believe know one is talking about this bow. This bow is the first of it's kind. I have not shot one (can't wait) yet but the talk is that is awesome. At 3.9 lbs it is almost a pound lighter than any hunting bow I have seen. 35 inch axle to axle with a 7.25 brace height and I hear it is super smooth to draw. Price tag is steep,I hear around $1500 bow only! Check it out at let me know what you all think.

http://www.hoyt.com/compound_bows/hoyt_carbon_matrix_compound_bow.php

I am not impressed. Personally this bow for being made out of carbon is not light at all. There are other bows out on the market that weigh less than this one and they aren't made out of carbon and they are half the price. Just a gimmick to sell more bows in my opinion. 35" ATA and 3.9#. The 82nd Airborne by Bowtech 4.1# and is 36" ATA. I just don't see the point of getting that excited over a bow that really is no different than the rest except for the price.
Title: Re: Hoyt carbon matrix!
Post by: funkster on November 19, 2009, 06:53:30 PM: No different? Did you even look at it? Until I shoot it, I can't say if it is a gimmick or not. To me, it is exciting to see innovation. Bow companies are not just settling for "that is good enough" but trying to set the bar year in and year out. This is what has pushed bows to where they are today.

I do agree about the price being steep but carbon fiber anything is double the price.

What do you all think about the overall look of it? I don't really think it looks all that good but again,I have not seen one in person.
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Post by: bowhuntin on November 19, 2009, 07:16:25 PM: Other than being made out of Carbon Fiber what is different about the bow? I didn't see anything significantly different. Shoots 318fps, has a generous brace height and is pretty light weight for a bow that is 35" ATA. But not much better compared to other bow manufacturers to justify charging twice the price. It is twice the price of the Hoyt Matrix 35 and the only difference between the carbon model is the weight. Why spend 1500 dollars vs. 750-800 dollars for virtually the same bow. I can't see the carbon model shooting any better than the one that is made out of aluminum. In this economy I don't think to many people are going to be buying the carbon matrix.

I don't care for the look of the riser at all from the picture at least. Might look better in person but don't know.
Title: Re: Hoyt carbon matrix!
Post by: funkster on November 20, 2009, 07:59:42 AM: From what I hear the bow has NO hand shock at all and is whisper quite. Think about it, a aluminum bow is basically a tuning fork. Bow companies have tried to eliminate hand shock and noise but you can only do so much with the material you are using. Carbon fiber does not vibrate like metal resulting in no hand shock and the least amount of noise. This is a huge step forward in eliminating what archers have been trying to do since the first aluminum bow hit the market.

When was the last time you saw a riser look like this.
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Post by: 1bowhunter1 on November 20, 2009, 08:03:29 AM: Well I want one.....
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Post by: funkster on November 20, 2009, 08:39:08 AM: Although carbon fiber is very strong when bent, it is very prone to cracking when struck. I am keeping an open mind about this bow until I shoot one but I don't want a bow exploading in my hand. I have purchased Hoyt bows for 4 straight years and know how they pride themself in making a very strong hunting bow. This was one of my hang ups I was having when I made the switch to mathews this year. I didn't know if the Reezen was as tough of a bow as the alphamax. So far so good!
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Post by: klikboom on November 20, 2009, 08:43:41 AM: Quote
I have purchased Hoyt bows for 4 straight years and know how they pride themself i

You buy a buy per year!? :o :twocents:X100
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Post by: lokidog on November 20, 2009, 12:41:48 PM: :yeah:

Got any hand-me-downs I can take to Goodwill for you? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Hoyt carbon matrix!
Post by: bowhuntin on November 20, 2009, 01:25:14 PM: Quote from: funkster on November 20, 2009, 07:59:42 AM
From what I hear the bow has NO hand shock at all and is whisper quite. Think about it, a aluminum bow is basically a tuning fork. Bow companies have tried to eliminate hand shock and noise but you can only do so much with the material you are using. Carbon fiber does not vibrate like metal resulting in no hand shock and the least amount of noise. This is a huge step forward in eliminating what archers have been trying to do since the first aluminum bow hit the market.

When was the last time you saw a riser look like this.

I think bow manufacturers have done quite well eliminating hand shock in their bows. I don't notice any in my 08 bowtech general and it was the quietest bow on the market that year as well. There are plenty of other bows out there that have no hand shock and are plenty quiet for half the price of what hoyt wants for that bow.
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Post by: joebear on November 20, 2009, 01:32:13 PM: Most the time the fancy looking rig comes in last. 1500 Is out of control!!
Title: Re: Hoyt carbon matrix!
Post by: funkster on November 20, 2009, 06:17:00 PM: Quote from: klikboom on November 20, 2009, 08:43:41 AM
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I have purchased Hoyt bows for 4 straight years and know how they pride themself i

You buy a buy per year!? :o :twocents:X100

Not a hard thing to do, you just have to buy one and sell it each year. You only end up spending a few hundred a year for a new bow.
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Post by: xXx Archery on November 22, 2009, 12:39:31 PM: I have shot it and it not all that...I like the Maxxis31 best...it is not that light my PSE bowmadness XL is 36" at 3.9lbs and shoots 332fps and cost 699.00...It is nice to see hoyt looking outside the box but 1600.00 for a bow...wow...its NOT fast...its NOT light...its NOT cheep....it does look cool...but thats it.
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Post by: MtnMuley on November 22, 2009, 06:24:36 PM: You must not sell Hoyts at your shop. :dunno:
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Post by: funkster on November 22, 2009, 09:24:00 PM: XXX, can you give us a little more info about the draw cycle,how the the bow felt after the shot,noise,etc? You said it is not fast.Did you get a chance to chrono it? If so what where the actual speeds and what was the grain of arrows you shot?
Title: Re: Hoyt carbon matrix!
Post by: hunt4 on November 23, 2009, 08:38:48 AM: It feels or sounds like no other bow you have shot, it still makes a sound and it still has a feel but it way differant.
sorry i cant describe it any better.
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Post by: 1bowhunter1 on November 23, 2009, 08:42:02 AM: I still want one~ :chuckle:
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Post by: xXx Archery on November 23, 2009, 10:14:13 AM: Quote from: MtnMuley on November 22, 2009, 06:24:36 PM
You must not sell Hoyts at your shop. :dunno:

Yes I sell Hoyts... Dustin my partner at the shop shoots them he is shooting the new AlphaBurner great bows, like I said, I like the Maxxis31 better..the draw is the same ..same limbs same cams...so that part feels the same.The riser is cool but you still get feedback from it as for speed...IBO 318...not fast...just about every bow out can do that, so thats why I say not that fast. we had about 5-6 guys shoot the bow and no one said it was that great and not for 1600.00. If they put that riser on a Target bow then fine your avg. hunter can not see and feel the difference in the riser. if you like the longer ATA bows get the Maxxis 35 same speed 318. for a lot less $$. most guys want to see the bow prices come down and most are liking the shorter bows. 4 out of 5 bows sold are 33" and under...I asked the ? a few months back what do you guys want in a bow for 2010...and NOT one said longer ata, slower and more money....I hope Hoyt can do this riser cheeper in a few years. So if anyone wants to buy one I will sell you one, :chuckle: :chuckle:.
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Post by: MtnMuley on November 23, 2009, 10:20:11 AM: Thanks for the info XXX. You're right about about the ridiculous price tag! I will be looking at a new bow this spring, and was excited to see new Hoyt's. Will give them all a few shots, before I pull the trigger on one. The Maxxis could be the one.
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Post by: funkster on November 23, 2009, 07:02:03 PM: XXX,did you guys shoot it with any arrows heavier than IBO? I am sure you know that most of us need to shoot more than a 300 grain arrows to be leagal here in washington. I am just wondering what the bow would do with an actual hunting arrow. So far the bows is 1 for 1,one shop say it's the best bow made and you guys are saying its average at best.
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Post by: xXx Archery on November 23, 2009, 10:19:29 PM: It's more than Average, its a good bow ..but not 1600.00 good. we shot it with 420 grain arrow but not to see the speed. I live in Washington so yes I know about the arrow thing 6 grains per lb...the best thing is to go shoot it and see what YOU think.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 23, 2009, 10:27:54 PM: It's more than Average, its a good bow ..but not 1600.00 good.
x100000
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Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on November 24, 2009, 07:54:33 PM: Doug over at Skookum in Puyallup has one on the shelf. I picked it up today and I have to say it felt pretty darn good in the hand. It looked a little odd from the front but once you picked it up that all went away. Still way too much money if you ask me.
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Post by: flyguide on November 27, 2009, 08:22:37 AM: Hoyt is very debatably the best bow company on earth. They have been doing it for the longest, and they are more universally accepted by world class tournament archers and hunters than any other brand. If they say it is the best..... it is the best. :) They wouldn't put their name and a $1500 price tag on it if it wasn't. They design and build a lot of bows that never go public, trust me, this wasn't something created and priced without some of the greatest engineering scrutiny of all time.

Also, some of you are missing the idea of the lightweight. This is a 35" bow, it is not a speed demon but designed to be a slightly longer more forgiving bow that still has some juice. Now you get both, long and friendly with a nice light feel in your hand. Like everything, the price will eventually come down.

This will change bow design over the decade or two. More companies will attempt to imitate and fail to duplicate. Wish I could afford one! At least the Alphamax 35 will be everywhere on Ebay now! :twocents:
Title: Re: Hoyt carbon matrix!
Post by: Jellymon on November 28, 2009, 10:13:42 PM: Im sure its a good bow, but my Diamond Iceman has absolutely no hand shock, was rated the quietest bow of 2009, goes just as fast as this one, and weighs 4lbs. It costs 750. Why would you buy the hoyt when when it has the same stats as a few other brands as well for half the price? :dunno: Not hating on hoyt but I dont see the point.