Post by: Angus on November 25, 2009, 07:08:44 PM
Not as many hunters as I expected but I think that will change tomorrow and through the weekend. Did they change the no camping rule or do people just ignore that, counted 6 camps in there today.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 25, 2009, 07:15:53 PM
Post by: hunt4 on November 25, 2009, 07:18:33 PM
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Did they change the no camping rule or do people just ignore that, counted 6 camps in there today.Not according to there hotline.
How are the roads? going to take the wife and kid in there tomorrow. going to have to take the pickup and leave the jeep :bdid:. But it should be a good family outing.
Post by: bobcat on November 25, 2009, 07:22:37 PM
Post by: Angus on November 25, 2009, 08:36:28 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 26, 2009, 01:31:57 AM
Keep them rounded up for me :chuckle:
Post by: THINK_N_ELK on November 26, 2009, 08:30:47 AM
The amount of people will change after Turkey day.
According to the hotline. The gates that are open will change after this Sun. 11/29.
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 26, 2009, 08:32:40 AM
Post by: Angus on November 26, 2009, 04:14:14 PM
If you were on the Winston Creek side of the 500. That's Port Blakeley and DNR land. Kid Valley side of the 500 gate is Weyco.
Thanks for the info, wasn't aware of state land in that area!
Post by: MLBowhunting on November 26, 2009, 06:25:14 PM
Post by: hunt4 on November 26, 2009, 06:35:58 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 26, 2009, 10:13:23 PM
Post by: barneyfife on November 27, 2009, 11:02:27 AM
1 herd of 23 and a herd of 13.
The herd of 13 are all nice big cows, no calves or spikes.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 27, 2009, 06:34:28 PM
Post by: hunt4 on November 27, 2009, 07:24:26 PM
I am joining in the fray Friday morning,,,,"Road scouting" but I will have the wife, 7 year old daughter, 4 year old daughter, and 5 month old son. Scouting for Saturday.......
how did that work out? :chuckle:
Holy smokes, stayed in the brush until 11...picked up the kid and wife for a road tour after lunch...think i spent more time in the wide spots than the middle of the road fn ridiculous amount of rigs on the road. pretty sure i saw less traffic on the trip up and back from st. helens :bash:
did see two bulls one in the bush and one on the tour
oh and a bunch over one of the lookouts
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 27, 2009, 09:19:44 PM
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I am joining in the fray Friday morning,,,,"Road scouting" but I will have the wife, 7 year old daughter, 4 year old daughter, and 5 month old son. Scouting for Saturday.......
how did that work out?
:chuckle: Great ! When we got there we stopped by KV and chatted with some other guys in my group, then drove up the 1900 to look around......just sailing along avoiding oncoming traffic. When out in front of me in the middle of the road is an elk!, I didn't know what to do, so I pulled over and watched 6-7 more cross road while I fumbled around getting my bow out of the case, and my fingers on, my quiver etc.. :bash:.... one of these days I am going to have to learn how to road hunt !!!
P.S. it was 1130 AM
Post by: Alan K on November 27, 2009, 09:54:17 PM
Can't tell you how many times I've been on elk in there and they cross the road, then I realize I'm now tracking the elk tracks with new boot tracks in them. . . :bash: I'm sure half the time I jump on fresh tracks crossing the road I'm jumping on them ahead of someone.
That's the Winston for you. :dunno:
Post by: funkster on November 30, 2009, 08:34:08 AM
Looks like I picked the wrong week,they are going to close most of the gates this week.
Had a good time helping out a buddy up in the coweeman. He was trying to tag out with a multi-season elk tag. I got him on 3 legal bulls but he is not to comfortable with the muzzle loader,had one at 40yards and he couldn't get it done...ugh!
Post by: Alan K on November 30, 2009, 12:38:21 PM
Man I wish it still was 3 pt or antlerless, I had 4x5 at 30 yards broadside feeding.
That's exactly why I didn't want to hunt down there. I love the area and the amount of elk, just didn't think I could stomach having a nice bull in front of me and not be able to shoot it. We're hunting the units still open to bulls, even though there are fewer elk.
Anyone know why the Winston/Ryderwood/Willipa Hills are now cow only?
Post by: bobcat on November 30, 2009, 03:31:43 PM
Or they're just trying to discourage people and cause them to quit hunting. Doesn't make sense, when late archery hunters probably kill 90% cows anyway.
Post by: funkster on November 30, 2009, 05:53:25 PM
Man I wish it still was 3 pt or antlerless, I had 4x5 at 30 yards broadside feeding.
That's exactly why I didn't want to hunt down there. I love the area and the amount of elk, just didn't think I could stomach having a nice bull in front of me and not be able to shoot it. We're hunting the units still open to bulls, even though there are fewer elk.
Anyone know why the Winston/Ryderwood/Willipa Hills are now cow only?
Yeah it sucked but I think it will be good in the long run. I am hoping it will take some pressure off of the bulls and produce better quality bulls. Last year there was 276 bulls taken out of the winston and 300 the year before.It is amazing that the unit can sustain those numbers and still be bulls to hunt.I am all for the switch to cow only in late season.
Post by: bobcat on November 30, 2009, 06:17:38 PM
Post by: Crunchy on November 30, 2009, 06:19:39 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 30, 2009, 07:23:02 PM
Archery 148 antlerless 76 antlered 224 total 11, 3pt. 24, 4 pt. 31, 5 pt. 10, 6 pt.
Modern Firearms 195 antlered. 16, 3 pt. 90, 4 pt. 74, 5 pt. 15, 6 pt.
TOTALS 151 276 antlered 427 total 27, 3pt 114, 4 pt. 105, 5 pt 25, 6 pt.
Post by: Alan K on November 30, 2009, 08:38:24 PM
It would be interesting to see what would happen in a place like that if the rifle hunters got barred from shooting bulls for a year or two, or it went to permit only for bulls.
Post by: funkster on November 30, 2009, 08:54:44 PM
Post by: Bullistics on December 01, 2009, 05:44:28 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong week,they are going to close most of the gates this week.
Don't get your hopes up, yet. I called the hotline this morning and, you guessed it, vehicle access permitted 11/30-12/07 :(
Post by: USAFpj on December 05, 2009, 02:30:08 PM
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You've always got to be ready for them in the road in the Winston! So many guys in there keep them moving and they cross roads all the time. I've hunted in there a few years, and we just drive roads until we cut hot tracks crossing the road and go on them. That's what a lot of guys in there do.
Can't tell you how many times I've been on elk in there and they cross the road, then I realize I'm now tracking the elk tracks with new boot tracks in them. . . Bash I'm sure half the time I jump on fresh tracks crossing the road I'm jumping on them ahead of someone.
That's the Winston for you. Dunno
Alan, but it doesn't have to be. I worked myself up sick this season due to the "road hunters". I was the guy on the yellow mountain bike and longbow if anyone recalls. There's no hunting to it! The same 12 trucks just drive a complete loop and holler at each other on the CB. I didn't see one person in the woods in 10 days, but I saw 10 vehicles before 7:00 AM, thinking they were the first ones to the site. Besides the beer bottles, beer packaging, coffee cups, and general trash thrown out, do you not realize that all it does to the elk is to cause them to go nocturnal? The moon phase didn't help either, but give me a break. I walked close to 6 hours each day and had some unbelievable encounters, but for someone on foot like me, in the late season, if I can't watch the herds go from the cuts to their bedding, it's blind luck. At least hide your trucks; those herds don't move when you're sitting there drinking your coffee and smoking cigarettes. I could see it for rifle season, but bow? How can you stop and park your vehicle, grab your wheelie bow, and shoot away from the road?? Unless your that a$$hat that came close to drawing on me as I was coming out of the woods. Him and his buddy saw what they thought was an elk coming out of the woods, but unless elk wear Pendleton wool plaid shirts and pants, he needs a different sport. I just don't get it. Can someone please explain how this is successful? I expressed my disbelief to one roadie who had the balls to say," yeah, it's tough. The bottom line is that you just have to get in the woods." Really?? No $hit man! So what are you doing in your truck?? O.K. I'm done with my rant for now; I'll be waiting for someone's legitimate response to better educate myself. Weyco, you owe me another 5 days due the gate opening that you didn't announce till the weekend prior. A couple of good things I saw- Every roadie I talked with was as nice as they come; not a mean bone in their body. But parking your car under the herd that I've already been scoping for an hour, and walking the road with bow ready to draw, still is not hunting. Thanks for screwing that one up. BTW, get rod of the ridiculous Gamakatsu sticker on the back of your SUV, it's ridiculous. I also saw a good many girls and young kids out doing some "hunting". Glad to see your old man is taking you out, but he's still teaching you to be a pu$$y. Frustrated, yes. Jerkish, yes. A bit whiney, definitely. I do, however, appreciate everyone's money and dedication to our sport. If it wasn't for road hunters and their tax dollars and the local economies that they immensely support, they're probably wouldn't be any elk for me to hunt in the first place. I'll try to keep that in the back of my mind when the next tool tries to draw down on me...
Post by: funkster on December 05, 2009, 07:05:49 PM
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Post by: Basket Rack on December 06, 2009, 08:54:17 AM
If its a deadend rd. just block it with your truck.I understand a lot of the frustrations up there with the masses of hunters up there in the winston and have posted on that on past threads. However, this practice of people blocking roads with their vehicles is ridiculous and a good way for someone to vandalize your rig.
Post by: funkster on December 07, 2009, 08:04:14 AM
You know if your going to hunt on an open road.You have to expect that someone is going to drive up it past your rig. If i see rig at the entry to a road im driving that wont stop me.I dont know if you took off out in the woods or up the road.Who knows what direction you went.If its a deadend rd. just block it with your truck.
I never block a road but I do have the courtesy if I see a rig at the begin of a dead end spur,not to drive down it. I just pick another spot to hunt,if you do your homework you should have no problem with having a plan a,b,c,and d. Just like the guy we ran into,I know he didn't scout the area at all because if he did,he would know that elk are there all the time and would have not drove into the area.This kind of non respect for your fellow hunter is just embarrassing to me.
Post by: MADMAX on December 08, 2009, 06:10:06 AM
Post by: Crunchy on December 08, 2009, 06:21:12 AM