Post by: Ray on November 26, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
Post by: Axle on November 26, 2009, 10:40:02 AM
I found some confusing wording in the regs but I think most, if not all areas, are open. The closures were for modern deer season (this was 6 counties) but then it reopened after that.
I probably need to reread the regs though.
Post by: huntnphool on November 26, 2009, 10:43:59 AM
Post by: bearpaw on November 26, 2009, 10:47:46 AM
Post by: Ray on November 26, 2009, 10:48:07 AM
Okanogan
Okanogan-Ferry
Stevens-Pend Oreille
Klickitat
GMUs 101, 105,
108-121, 203,
204, 209-242,
243-247, 249-251,
382, 388, and 578
within Chelan,
Ferry, Klickitat,
Okanogan,
Stevens, or Pend
Oreille counties
Sept. 1-25 Archery only
Sept. 26‑Oct. 16 Muzzleloader only
Oct. 31‑Nov. 30 Any weapon
Post by: Axle on November 26, 2009, 10:57:03 AM
It could be that they want to throw a bone to the hound hunters to keep them happy. They don't need to keep general hunters from shooting one though. It's not like they take very many and there is an over abundance of these cats.
And they use our money to make these stupid decisions!
Post by: Ray on November 26, 2009, 11:03:49 AM
They're going to screw up this wolf thing just like they are with cougars.
Post by: Machias on November 26, 2009, 11:04:27 AM
Post by: huntnphool on November 26, 2009, 11:07:48 AM
They're going to screw up this wolf thing just like they are with cougars.
That depends on which side of the fence you are on, there are those that are toasting with their eggnog tonight over it I guarantee. >:(
Post by: rasbo on November 26, 2009, 11:09:02 AM
Post by: Axle on November 26, 2009, 11:22:57 AM
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Not to start an argument but trust me, these changes are NO bones for the hound hunters.
I agree, however, certain people ask for certain things. Could be that the houndsmen wanted the rest of us out of the picture so they can hunt the cougars all by themselves. I'm not certain on this, just speculating.
I used to know a couple of hound hunters that who told everyone that cougars rarely kill deer and elk. They said the cats would normally eat only small rodents and birds and squirrels.
These guys didn't really get away from their trucks much, thus their stupidity was multiplied by their greed for more cats to chase.
In CA and CO, the cougars were eating roughly 350,000 deer per year in the early to mid '90s. This was a well known fact. I've never heard a statistic for this state but if our game department came out with one, I would certainly question it. I've seen the dead deer and elk by the dozens.
Post by: stumprat on November 26, 2009, 11:25:28 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 26, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
In CA and CO, the cougars were eating roughly 350,000 deer per year in the early to mid '90s. This was a well known fact. I've never heard a statistic for this state but if our game department came out with one, I would certainly question it. I've seen the dead deer and elk by the dozens.
If the estimated 2000-2500 cougars is correct, a ballpark annual consumption of "deer equivalents" would be around 130,000 "deer equivalents" of all prey species; 100,000 deer would be a reasonable estimate of actual deer killed annually in WA by cougars.
Given that CA is so much larger, and CO is both larger and has much more prey, that's a reasonably comparable estimate.
Post by: Axle on November 26, 2009, 11:33:58 AM
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They were probably talking about bobcats.
No, they vehemently protected their perceived image of the cougar. I knew they were wrong but I also knew they would not change their opinions.
I like houndsmen and houndswomen. I have gone on hound hunts and love it. We need them badly! More now than ever! I totally support them and we need more hound hunting seasons too.
We just don't need the department to make stupid cutbacks on cougar hunting like they have. There are still far too many of them and far too few hound owners. There will be even less hound owners when the hounds get eaten by wolves.
Post by: mulehunter on November 26, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
I could Math 11 cougars that ate how MANY DEER ALREADY Since Oct 17
Mulehunter >:(
Post by: sako223 on November 26, 2009, 12:14:26 PM
Of all the seasons to dink with, this is the one that should have remained open til spring. I believe Oregon has actually gone longer to year round.
Post by: Axle on November 26, 2009, 12:28:26 PM
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I believe Oregon has actually gone longer to year round.
I think Oregon is actually getting smart. I read in the regs how they removed a lot of cougars to increase hunting for deer and elk. Very smart move!
I quit buying an Oregon tag (last year was 2002) because the cougars were eating up the elk where we hunted and it was getting difficult to even find an elk. However, after reading about the cougar removal, I am planning on going there next year to hunt. I might boycot this state now. This state has far more liberals who don't hunt and don't like hunters. Oregon needs the income generated from hunters and even though a lot of hunters there are liberals (and stupid drones), they spend money on hunting.
The only way this state will make through is if they open up cougar and wolf hunting and the best way to do that is............oh ya baby!.....bounty payments! But what are the odds of that happening?
Post by: bearpaw on November 26, 2009, 12:38:42 PM
We all need to support each other.
Post by: boneaddict on November 26, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
Post by: bearpaw on November 26, 2009, 12:50:29 PM
Post by: sako223 on November 26, 2009, 01:09:33 PM
The upshot is that, according to a 2006 study by Washington State University's Large Carnivore Conservation Laboratory, Washington's cougar population -- estimated as anywhere from 1,900 to 4,000 -- has actually declined since I-655. WDFW biologists agree, and are reducing harvest limits (especially those involving female cougars) and dropping the annual bag limit back from one to two.
http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2008/07/31/cougar-conundrum
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2008/reports/cougar.php
Post by: boneaddict on November 26, 2009, 01:28:41 PM
Post by: mulehunter on November 26, 2009, 03:00:39 PM
But....Dang....
Mulehunter :chuckle:
Post by: bucklucky on November 27, 2009, 08:46:47 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 27, 2009, 08:53:15 AM
Not sure. I jsut chaulked it up to more politics, and greed.
Post by: bucklucky on November 27, 2009, 08:57:20 AM
The way it was explained to me is they are trying to prove that the hound hunters arent being picky and killing whatever is up the tree. So basically no different than a boot hunter shooting a cougar on the ground with out knowing whether it is male or female. So there really is no point to have the hound permits anymore. Thats what they are trying to prove . They want more Toms killed , not females.
Post by: Machias on November 27, 2009, 02:16:31 PM
Post by: mulehunter on November 27, 2009, 02:57:40 PM
I have NEVER SHOT ONE DOWN OR I RUN WITH BUDDY THAT NEVER SHOT ONE DOWN TOO ALL TRUE, Because ONE RULE We all want to find BIG TOM to make Our day happy for ever and REMEMBER FOR LONG TIME!!
I have always can tell what female or male when they are up tree. Best thing is sit under tree and watch them how beauitful they are. Talk about what size and story! Release them all the times is best feeling and know that we want BEST FOR ALL HUNTERS who filled tag that will THANK ME for what I have done.
Mulehunter ;)