Post by: KillzElk on November 30, 2009, 09:42:50 PM
Another Poacher has been caught Red Handed Who is this guy?????
This is a Quote from the Land owner !!!!!
The guy had been hunting in the area for about a week knew the area was closed to hunting and just for some reason decided to take a shot. Shot the cow a little before daylight, wounded it and when I confronted him he just walked away down the highway with his weapon. I had to dispatch the animal after calling 911 and getting permission from the dispatcher. His buddy stayed around for a little bit and then left. I call 911 but no game warden was able to respond, so two Cowlitz County deputies responded. When they arrived the shooter and his friend had returned, wearing hunter orange and acting like they made a mistake. The deputies started talking to him got his statement and then ticketed him for shooting from the road, and gave me a paper to write my statement.
The decision on what to write the guy up for was already made by the deputy before he even took my statement.
If you look at the law, 1.) He had shot at an early hour, wearing no hunter orange as stated in the game law. 2.) He shot from the middle of the State Hwy. 3.) He discharged his big game rifle 225 feet from a cafe, commercial building. 4.) He shot the animal on private property, next to a not hunting o trespass sign. 5.) They both had been hunting in the are for a week and knew that the area they were shooting into was closed and had been closed and they were told it was closed by the person they were staying with, who lives on the property.
They were fined $200 for shooting from the road, and allowed to harvest the elk, this decision was made by the WDFW contact the Deputy was talking to.
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Voice all your opinans I am sure this guy is a member he will like to see his mug shot and truck photo's :beatdeadhorse: >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 30, 2009, 09:49:26 PM
Post by: agchawk on November 30, 2009, 09:51:17 PM
However, I am not a lawyer so I'm sure someone on here will correct me if I am wrong...but you could find yourself in a bit of hot water also if the individual you posted pics of here decides that he wants to pursue slander charges against you. You posted his pic without permission and then proceeded to accuse him of a crime/numerous crimes.
I am by no means saying that it did not go down exactly like you stated...I just wanted to point out that what you have done here MIGHT be grounds for slander.
I will, however, keep an eye out for this guy while I'm out and about.
Post by: bbarnes on November 30, 2009, 10:02:35 PM
Post by: Aneoakleaf on November 30, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
Post by: KillzElk on November 30, 2009, 10:14:31 PM
Man, that sucks!!
However, I am not a lawyer so I'm sure someone on here will correct me if I am wrong...but you could find yourself in a bit of hot water also if the individual you posted pics of here decides that he wants to pursue slander charges against you. You posted his pic without permission and then proceeded to accuse him of a crime/numerous crimes.
I am by no means saying that it did not go down exactly like you stated...I just wanted to point out that what you have done here MIGHT be grounds for slander.
I will, however, keep an eye out for this guy while I'm out and about.
Public photography is wide open
That’s the general rule. When you’re on public property (a street, sidewalk, city park, etc) you can take pictures of what you see. This means that you can also photograph private property as long as you’re not trespassing to get the shot.
Unfortunately, life is never that simple. There are a couple exceptions to the rule and other details you need to know.
Does the photo subject expect privacy?
Even on public property, you can’t photograph somebody who has a “reasonable expectation of privacy.” Basically, that means you can’t snap shots of people in the bathroom, a dressing room, or similar places. Ask yourself: “Would the average person expect privacy?” If so, don’t take a photo.
Along the same lines, don’t sneak photographs of people from bizarre angles. In essence, you can’t go around taking “up skirt” photographs. Even if you’re on the public sidewalk.
Slander is the oral communication of false statements that are harmful to a person's reputation. If the statements are proven to be true, it is a complete defense to a charge of slander. Oral opinions that don't contain statements of fact don't constitute slander. Slander is an act of communication that causes someone to be shamed, ridiculed, held in contempt, lowered in the estimation of the community, or to lose employment status or earnings or otherwise suffer a damaged reputation. Slander is a subcategory of defamation.
The basic elements of a claim of slander include;
1. a defamatory statement;
2. published to third parties; and
3. which the speaker or publisher knew or should have known was false.
Slander is primarily covered under state law, but is subject to First Amendment guarantees of free speech. The scope of constitutional protection extends to statements of opinion on matters of public concern that do not contain or imply a provable factual assertion. If the slander unjustly accused you of a crime or reflected on your profession, the court or jury can assess the damages. For other types of slander you generally must prove some actual damage to be able to recover.
Slander of title is a common law tort involving a disparaging remark regarding ownership of property. It affects the owner's ability to transfer the property, resulting in a monetary loss.
Post by: BLR 243 on November 30, 2009, 10:16:39 PM
Post by: washelkhntr on November 30, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
Post by: tip on December 01, 2009, 09:43:43 AM
Post by: CP on December 01, 2009, 09:49:29 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 01, 2009, 09:58:11 AM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 01, 2009, 10:02:55 AM
Post by: rasbo on December 01, 2009, 10:03:21 AM
Post by: rackattack on December 01, 2009, 10:04:40 AM
Post by: PolarBear on December 01, 2009, 10:10:25 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 01, 2009, 10:12:46 AM
Post by: M_ray on December 01, 2009, 10:16:19 AM
Post by: tip on December 01, 2009, 10:27:36 AM
Unfortunately there are not enough wardens to be everywhere when we need them, they have too big of a territory to cover ...Thank our Gov. for that.
I know it sucks but again thank our Gov.
I know we would all like more WDFW officers around, but blaming our governor or government (not sure which you were referring to) doesn't make any sense. The current economy is the reason for all the cut backs... After all, wardens, officers, sheriffs, etc, etc all prefer to be paid with $$$, and if the state doesnn't have it, no one is going to work for free.
Back to the OP, have you contacted anyone else? Keep up updated please!
Post by: luvtohnt on December 01, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
When our state has to pay for a tunnel in Seattle to replace the viaduct, that money has to come from somewhere. Most likely diverted from education, law enforcement, and programs that the states is mandated to fund. Heaven forbid if Seattle has to figure out how to pay for this tunnel on their own!!Unfortunately there are not enough wardens to be everywhere when we need them, they have too big of a territory to cover ...Thank our Gov. for that.
I know it sucks but again thank our Gov.
I know we would all like more WDFW officers around, but blaming our governor or government (not sure which you were referring to) doesn't make any sense. The current economy is the reason for all the cut backs... After all, wardens, officers, sheriffs, etc, etc all prefer to be paid with $$$, and if the state doesnn't have it, no one is going to work for free.
Back to the OP, have you contacted anyone else? Keep up updated please!
Brandon
Post by: PolarBear on December 01, 2009, 10:50:54 AM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 01, 2009, 11:15:02 AM
Post by: Shootmoore on December 01, 2009, 11:21:56 AM
I know we would all like more WDFW officers around, but blaming our governor or government (not sure which you were referring to) doesn't make any sense. The current economy is the reason for all the cut backs... After all, wardens, officers, sheriffs, etc, etc all prefer to be paid with $$$, and if the state doesn't have it, no one is going to work for free.
Back to the OP, have you contacted anyone else? Keep up updated please!
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We can blame our Governor and legislator's. They have been cutting Fish and Wildlife for years, as well as diverting the funds they do have from enforcement, fish production and game management to non game species, wild fish enhancement. studies and research. There are currently more Bio's working for F&W than Enforcement Officers. Current cuts are going to Enforcement and Fish Hatchery's. From what I have heard they are not cutting non-game, bio's etc. I have heard so its hearsay but from a good source that a comment from our head of the F&W was "we don't want to be known as a bullet and hook department anymore." I think that one little statement shows more the direction we are seeing.
My father is retired F&W and my brother is currently F&W. I was the blacksheep and went into LE. I remember my father cussing the direction of the F&W for the last 10 years. Back in the day most of the persons working for them were Hunters and Fishermen, they have been slowly squeezed out and replaced with a "greener" staff that fits more in line with the ideologies of our last few governors. I have been seriously thinking of getting out of LE when I hit 20 years and moving to a state that is more interested in keeping the word GAME in there management plans.
Shootmoore
Post by: tip on December 01, 2009, 11:32:49 AM
To the other guys - I hear you and I'm not a fan of our governor either, but everyone has their own opinions. That is all - let's get this thread back on-topic.
Post by: saylean on December 01, 2009, 11:34:36 AM
If he's guilty, I hope he gets the full extent of punishment. Cant stand poachers.
Post by: jumpin on December 01, 2009, 12:16:38 PM
Post by: KillzElk on December 01, 2009, 01:06:55 PM
Was that up by EcoPark? Totally unacceptable. >:(
It was on Marks land YES..... ECOPARK.......
Post by: boneaddict on December 01, 2009, 01:19:43 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on December 01, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
Post by: Schmalzfam on December 01, 2009, 04:39:18 PM
That's pathetic, shouldn't they know what time he shot by the 911 call?? I would seriously forward all your info to another Warden and see if they can help. I've never heard of being allowed to keep the animal.
There are a lot of families in need who would've loved to eat it, see another way to help budget cuts!!!
Post by: Kain on December 01, 2009, 07:32:28 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 01, 2009, 07:41:41 PM
Also, Jumpin, most of the check points will have a warden or two...and then mostly biologists or other non-commisioned staff....
Post by: Kain on December 01, 2009, 07:55:19 PM
Post by: M_ray on December 01, 2009, 10:14:30 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003616916_viaductelex14m.html
http://www.komonews.com/news/44819397.html
And yes I believe that means cut backs in other areas and most of us would like to see that money go to education and law inforcement, which was my point. Again I'll add ... Keep trying to contact the supervisor for that region and present all the facts you have and ask him to look into it, it's not too late for him to make the right decision on this one! Good luck!
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 01, 2009, 10:53:27 PM
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You need to take this to the prossicuting attorney ... they can change the ticket, it's not to late...go get them!
Michelle is right.
-Steve
Post by: tip on December 01, 2009, 10:59:32 PM
I think it is valid and on topic to suggest that there arent enough wardens to be everywhere we need them!!! That was the whole point he called and no one reponded :dunno: Don't know what makes this off topic??? And Don't know why blamming the goverment for cut backs is doesn't make sense arent they the ones in charge that have made the cut backs to that dept??? And Brandon just for your information before you start blamming the citizens of Seattle for the tunnel you should know that we voted it down! Yes that's right and the legislature passed it any way and Gregoire signed off on it to the tune of 2.8 Billion dollars!!!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003616916_viaductelex14m.html
http://www.komonews.com/news/44819397.html
Debating whether or not there is enough wardens or not is one thing, but to bring up the viaduct is just a whole different story. Its just one big f***-story if you ask me... Seattle wants the State to pay for the whole project, and G-wire/State wants Seattle to pay for it instead.
As for those articles you posted...the first article is from 2007 when citizens voted no on a tunnel and no on a new overhead highway. It just says G-wire was pushing to "replace the viaduct with a new $2.8 billion elevated highway", not that she went ahead and passed it anyway.
The second article is from May 09, it talks about the new tunnel: "The plan commits $2.4 billion in state money to the project and adds an additional $400 million in tolling revenue - money that can only be spent tearing down the current structure and building the new one. The tunnel will cost more than $4 billion. Seattle and King County are responsible for the rest."
Post by: M_ray on December 02, 2009, 12:06:54 AM
Again back on topic I merely pointed out that the reason Killzelk may have not gotten the response he wanted was maybe there are not enough officers to cover the area and I am encouraging Killzelk to follow up and stay in someones ear with the info he has and hopfully something good will come out of it! ... whats wrong with that? :dunno:
Post by: ICEMAN on December 02, 2009, 05:03:24 AM
Does anyone have any experience contacting wildlife ex-post-facto on an incident like this? Anyone? I cannot imagine that wildlife would not be interested in it, considering all of the evidence provided.
Post by: rasbo on December 02, 2009, 05:21:20 AM
Post by: tip on December 02, 2009, 08:29:44 AM
Debating whether or not there is enough wardens or not is one thing, but to bring up the viaduct is just a whole different story.
back on-topic, any updates on these poachers??
Post by: jackelope on December 02, 2009, 08:35:37 AM
something tells me....
Post by: Curly on December 02, 2009, 09:07:06 AM
Post by: KillzElk on December 03, 2009, 10:57:50 PM
This has been turned in not to sure about to WDFW? Gonna take a copy of all these photos and info to the next meeting that is in a few days and give it to them to see how what they might do like prob nothing : (
I would love to hunt them down and to find out how they feel about there murder charges that only cost $200.00 These poachers deserve more than the punishment they received you all are correct I am not interested in any bonus points just would like to see some justice just one time Please.. This whole thing is a joke they have gave all of us legal hunters a bad name..
:mgun: :stup:
Post by: wildebeast on December 04, 2009, 11:14:36 AM
cliff
Post by: jackelope on December 04, 2009, 11:17:15 AM
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I would love to hunt them down and to find out how they feel about there murder charges that only cost $200.00
murder?
crummy deal, yeah. maybe an illegal act, maybe poaching, maybe trespassing...but murder? not what i would call murder.
Post by: jackelope on December 04, 2009, 11:21:10 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on December 04, 2009, 11:51:33 AM
Post by: Alchase on December 04, 2009, 12:01:27 PM
Just my opinion here to get out of any slander charges, start every sentence with Allegedly or Suspected. If guilty, throw the book at em.
or IMHO, lol
Post by: ICEMAN on December 05, 2009, 10:04:10 AM
killzelk...are you a hunter? i haven't seen a post you've made on here that was about your hunting ventures. most of which are anti-wdfw, anti-master hunter and anti-a lot of stuff...but no hunting posts or anything positive for that matter. what do you suppose the right thing to do is in this possible trespassing and/or poaching situation?
Jackelope, good question IMHO, just checked Killzelks post history and a bit strange.....almost exclusively in Hunting Activism...hmmmmm.....not that there is anything wrong with it...but still a bit strange since most members post in many many different areas it seems....
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Post by: KillzElk on December 05, 2009, 12:40:13 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 05, 2009, 01:46:25 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on December 05, 2009, 05:17:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 05, 2009, 10:47:06 PM
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I am not a Lawyer so I am not sure what the right thing to do is in this possible trespassing and/or poaching situation?call wdfw and report it to the enforcement division if you think it is poaching. you can go to their website and email them too...
you don't need to be a lawyer...especially if someone broke the law.
Post by: KillzElk on December 06, 2009, 08:27:02 PM
#1 Shooting before hunting hours.
#2 No hunter Orange on when this took place.
#3 Shooting from road / Discharging firearm from roadway.
#4 Discharging firearm 500 it from business or resident.
#5 Trespassing with a firearm equals Criminal trespass witch is a felony.
#6 When at the Game commission meeting Sat I got to meet BBarnes and his father you cant miss them with there MT. ST Helens shirts on, I then witnessed him ask the WDFW why the fish and wildlife have not investigated or done a thing about this .
Quote: WDFW had nothing to say in return OHBOY. :twocents:
Post by: Shootmoore on December 06, 2009, 08:43:25 PM
#1 Shooting before hunting hours.
#2 No hunter Orange on when this took place.
#3 Shooting from road / Discharging firearm from roadway.
#4 Discharging firearm 500 it from business or resident.
#5 Trespassing with a firearm equals Criminal trespass witch is a felony.
#6 When at the Game commission meeting Sat I got to meet BBarnes and his father you cant miss them with there MT. ST Helens shirts on, I then witnessed him ask the WDFW why the fish and wildlife have not investigated or done a thing about this .
Quote: WDFW had nothing to say in return OHBOY. :twocents:
Bet they would have got on the ball if it was a wolf.
Post by: bbarnes on December 07, 2009, 05:42:58 PM
Post by: KillzElk on December 07, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
Post by: TheHunt on December 07, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
Cops show up... Tell them this dude shot it. You are having a BBQ and offer them if they want some when it is done. Be sure the cops make the dummies knotch their tag.
Post by: bigtex on December 08, 2009, 10:50:29 AM
#1 Shooting before hunting hours.
#2 No hunter Orange on when this took place.
#3 Shooting from road / Discharging firearm from roadway.
#4 Discharging firearm 500 it from business or resident.
#5 Trespassing with a firearm equals Criminal trespass witch is a felony.
Sir, I have worked in law enforcement for many years and have written many hunting/fishing tickets. Because of this I want to explain some mistakes you made, as well as the penalties for the crimes you listed..
#1 Shooting before hunting hours... It is a misdemeanor with a fine of $150 bail forfeiture
#2 No hunter Orange on when this took place... In this incident no officer or prosecutor would charge this person with this offense because it is not even a crime, it is an infraction with a $87 fine. Charging someone in this incident with this offense would be like charging a person who is in jail for murder for going through a stop sign..it just wont happen..
#3 Shooting from road / Discharging firearm from roadway...It is a midemeanor with a fine of $250 bail forfeiture
#4 Discharging firearm 500 it from business or resident...Believe it or not this is not a actual offense, it is an ethical violation not a law violation. UNLESS this ocurred in a WDFW Safety Area which are often at WDFW Pheasant Release Sites
#5 Trespassing with a firearm equals Criminal trespass witch is a felony.. Criminal Trespass is not a felony. In this incident the person could be charged with 2nd degree Criminal Tresspass which is a mandatory court appearance and is a misdemeanor.
So after all the person is looking at a $400 bail forfeiture (which means you can pay without seeing a judge, just like a traffic ticket). And depending on the person's criminal history the judge might assess a couple hundred dollar fine (maybe $500). But if this person has a clean history the judge would likely give a deferred sentence which is basically probation for a year and no fine
Post by: denali on December 08, 2009, 11:27:04 AM
:yeah:
Post by: Curly on December 08, 2009, 02:39:01 PM
Also, where exactly is this? Maybe I should sit there next year waiting for an elk. Hell, I'd be off the road if I shot the elk.......that way I wouldn't get the shooting from the road ticket.
Post by: bigtex on December 08, 2009, 03:05:45 PM
I'm surprised they didn't get a ticket for trespassing. Isn't that a no tresspassing sign right behind where they are gutting the elk? Or were they still on the public right-of-way of the highway?
In order for a person to get cited for trespassing the landowner must request that the officer cite the person for trespassing. A officer can not simply drive a road see someone behind a no trespassing sign and cite them. In many instances the landowner does not even live in the same county so citing a person for trespassing is actually difficult to do. Many government agencies and timberland companies have written authorizations to the sheriffs dept and WDFW for their officers to cite someone if they catch them trespassing.
Post by: Curly on December 08, 2009, 03:11:09 PM
Post by: KillzElk on December 08, 2009, 04:47:19 PM
BigTex...are you a hunter? i haven't seen a post you've made on here that was about your hunting ventures. ..What do you suppose the right thing to do is in this possible trespassing and/or poaching situation?
Just checked BigTexs post history a bit strange just joined Today and only posted on this topic Date Registered: Today at 09:39:28 AM
Last Active: Today at 03:56:25 PM.....Kinda Odd .hmmmmm.....not that there is anything wrong with it...but still a bit strange since most members post in many many different areas it seems....
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Post by: jackelope on December 08, 2009, 05:21:35 PM
i betcha big tex will answer the question and not dodge it unlike you. are you a hunter killzelk? you haven't answered yet.
big tex has 2 posts in 1 thread. somebody's gotta start somewhere...you obviously don't like the responses or info he has given.
you have many posts in many threads...all anti one thing or another mostly wdfw related. so what gives killzelk? are you a hunter? yes or no...
Post by: bigtex on December 08, 2009, 07:20:20 PM
FYI
BigTex...are you a hunter? i haven't seen a post you've made on here that was about your hunting ventures. ..What do you suppose the right thing to do is in this possible trespassing and/or poaching situation?
Just checked BigTexs post history a bit strange just joined Today and only posted on this topic Date Registered: Today at 09:39:28 AM
Last Active: Today at 03:56:25 PM.....Kinda Odd .hmmmmm.....not that there is anything wrong with it...but still a bit strange since most members post in many many different areas it seems....
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To answer your question yes I am a hunter, in fact I am a Master Hunter. I have been viewing this website for several weeks now and became a member today and thought I would give my insight to this issue.
To answer your question about what I would do for this incident (poaching/trespassing) I will answer it from both a hunter’s standpoint and a law enforcement officer standpoint
Hunter: When I see fish/wildlife violations the first thing I do is call the local state patrol office. They dispatch WDFW Officers 24/7/365. Some people say call the poaching hotline, well the problem with the poaching hotline is it is only available during normal business hours, and at times it isn’t very reliable. All state patrol numbers are in the hunting/fishing regs so you just call the closest office. In fact the regs say to call WSP when it is outside of normal business hours.
Even if there is not a WDFW Officer on-duty in the county at the time of your call they will do two things, 1. Call a WDFW officer at home, WDFW officers are subject to call out 24/7. 2. If they can’t reach a WDFW officer at home they will contact the neighboring county to see if there is a WDFW officer on duty there and if not, they will then call the officers in that county at home.
If for some reason you don’t have the regs/or the WSP numbers do this: Call 911 and immediately state “non-emergency poaching state patrol please” they will then transfer you to the WSP dispatch. There have been incidents when someone calls in a poaching incident to 911 (which are operated by the county, not WSP) and the dispatcher takes down the info and never forwards the info to WSP dispatch or if they do its hours later. If you state what I said above they will transfer you in seconds.
Law Enforcement Officer: Outside of a WDFW officer most deputies, troopers, and city cops don’t know anything about hunting/fishing laws and how to enforce them. It is just not taught to them, whereas in Oregon hunting/fishing laws are taught at the police academy. Usually the only non-WDFW officers who enforce hunting/fishing laws are officers who hunt/fish themselves and have basically taught themselves the ins and outs of WDFW laws. This is probably why the Cowlitz deputies only cited for shooting from a roadway, because that’s a pretty easy law to understand. As far as shooting before hours, a deputy would know nothing about that, unless they are a hunter. As I said in my other post a judge would just laugh at a hunter orange ticket, in fact most WDFW officers don’t even write that ticket, they just give warnings for it. As far as the trespass goes, the owner of the land would have to complain/tell the police to cite them for trespassing, if they don’t tell the police that then the police can’t cite for trespassing. A officer will not seek out a landowner just to see if they want to press charges for trespassing. It is kind of like WA’s indecent exposure law, somebody other then the police must complain before any action is taken, until then it is perfectly legal to run around naked. I am willing to bet that had a WDFW officer responded this would have turned out a lot different. I know how many WDFW officers are in Cowlitz county and I am not going to say how many for safety reasons but it is nowhere near what it should be.
Post by: ICEMAN on December 08, 2009, 09:12:46 PM
Post by: KillzElk on December 08, 2009, 09:56:06 PM
HAAAA!!!Yes I am a hunter here is my Kill this year.. Also great 3rd post bigtex I like . Thanks
i betcha big tex will answer the question and not dodge it unlike you. are you a hunter killzelk? you haven't answered yet.
big tex has 2 posts in 1 thread. somebody's gotta start somewhere...you obviously don't like the responses or info he has given.
you have many posts in many threads...all anti one thing or another mostly wdfw related. so what gives killzelk? are you a hunter? yes or no...
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Post by: Shootmoore on December 08, 2009, 11:04:23 PM
HAAAA!!!Yes I am a hunter here is my Kill this year.. Also great 3rd post bigtex I like . Thanks
i betcha big tex will answer the question and not dodge it unlike you. are you a hunter killzelk? you haven't answered yet.
big tex has 2 posts in 1 thread. somebody's gotta start somewhere...you obviously don't like the responses or info he has given.
you have many posts in many threads...all anti one thing or another mostly wdfw related. so what gives killzelk? are you a hunter? yes or no...
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Obviously shopped! :stirthepot:
Hehe just kidding late at night the evil shootmoore sometimes slips out.
Shootmoore