Post by: bearpaw on December 02, 2009, 01:57:47 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 02, 2009, 02:04:35 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 02, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on December 02, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2009, 02:08:38 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 02, 2009, 02:32:42 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on December 02, 2009, 02:35:24 PM
Wished you woulda made a Olympia a standalone choice. :chuckle:
oly has plenty of good people, downtown and evergreen make us look bad :chuckle:
Post by: actionshooter on December 02, 2009, 02:37:53 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 02, 2009, 02:39:07 PM
Post by: mossback91 on December 02, 2009, 02:40:42 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 02, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
The Canadian Gray wolves belong where they came from, hunting game that they evolved hunting, Where people hunt, trap, and kill the hell out of them every chance they get. Not down here in the lower 48 where they are petted and told they can kill off all the game herds, peoples livestock and then if they want some extra fun they can kill our dogs and chickens. >:( >:( >:(you know that we share a border with canada right... they belong here too, they evolved here too...the wolves we are seeing are not ynp wolves of canadian origin. how many times should we go over this?
Post by: bowhunterforever on December 02, 2009, 02:44:12 PM
Zoo :twocents::yeah:
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2009, 02:44:45 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 02, 2009, 02:53:09 PM
The Canadian Gray wolves belong where they came from, hunting game that they evolved hunting, Where people hunt, trap, and kill the hell out of them every chance they get. Not down here in the lower 48 where they are petted and told they can kill off all the game herds, peoples livestock and then if they want some extra fun they can kill our dogs and chickens. >:( >:( >:(you know that we share a border with canada right... they belong here too, they evolved here too...the wolves we are seeing are not ynp wolves of canadian origin. how many times should we go over this?
Whats this we *censored*, you seem to be the only one that is really up on the wolves. So please tell us one more time wacoyote where did them trucks full of wolves come from?
Post by: jackelope on December 02, 2009, 03:01:11 PM
:dunno:
where's the experts on this?
Post by: jackelope on December 02, 2009, 03:01:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 02, 2009, 03:13:51 PM
why the south cascades but not the north cascades??
Post by: wolfbait on December 02, 2009, 03:26:54 PM
The Canadian Gray wolves belong where they came from, hunting game that they evolved hunting, Where people hunt, trap, and kill the hell out of them every chance they get. Not down here in the lower 48 where they are petted and told they can kill off all the game herds, peoples livestock and then if they want some extra fun they can kill our dogs and chickens. >:( >:( >:(you know that we share a border with canada right... they belong here too, they evolved here too...the wolves we are seeing are not ynp wolves of canadian origin. how many times should we go over this?
So what you are saying is the wolves that we have and are seeing all over the Methow are not from Canada, nor are they from the YNP. Our wolves evolved right here in the Methow? I think its time for you to check back in with s.fitkin. I think fitkin was in search of his wolves yesterday, I thought about calling him up and telling him to check behind Hanks Market. Nice helicopter they were flying around in.
Post by: alanger on December 02, 2009, 06:12:47 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 02, 2009, 06:16:14 PM
Post by: TheHunt on December 02, 2009, 06:45:06 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2009, 08:54:08 PM
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 03, 2009, 08:26:53 AM
what i said was they are not ynp wolves of Canadian origin...they are BC wolves...of Canadian origin...why is this so difficult to comprehend?The Canadian Gray wolves belong where they came from, hunting game that they evolved hunting, Where people hunt, trap, and kill the hell out of them every chance they get. Not down here in the lower 48 where they are petted and told they can kill off all the game herds, peoples livestock and then if they want some extra fun they can kill our dogs and chickens. >:( >:( >:(you know that we share a border with canada right... they belong here too, they evolved here too...the wolves we are seeing are not ynp wolves of canadian origin. how many times should we go over this?
So what you are saying is the wolves that we have and are seeing all over the Methow are not from Canada, nor are they from the YNP. Our wolves evolved right here in the Methow? I think its time for you to check back in with s.fitkin. I think fitkin was in search of his wolves yesterday, I thought about calling him up and telling him to check behind Hanks Market. Nice helicopter they were flying around in.
helicopters now...you better polish up your tinfoil helmet and pull all your fillings, the ominous THEY are coming for you. I got an Idea- hide in that culvert turned wolf trap for a while! a little bait might bring those wolves right in. :)
Post by: Snowman on December 03, 2009, 08:37:59 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on December 03, 2009, 08:51:27 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 03, 2009, 09:07:53 AM
I think the concept of wolves as an endangered species is as big of a fraud as man made global warming.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 03, 2009, 11:33:19 AM
Post by: addicted on December 03, 2009, 11:41:34 AM
Post by: bearpaw on December 03, 2009, 11:53:16 AM
In the Seattle metro area so that people don't have to travel to "commune" with nature!
I agree with this. I think we should provide these wolf loving folks with the opportunity to "live in harmony" with their fluffy gods. It seems unfair that they should have to travel long distances to see Washington's wolves. :chuckle:
Post by: let.it.fly on December 03, 2009, 11:53:53 AM
i didnt see a button for "stuffed on the wall" :dunno:
exactly addicted. i think they belong on my trophy room wall
Post by: saylean on December 03, 2009, 11:56:45 AM
Turn 'em lose in Seattle or Bellevue. That's where we need population control!! :chuckle: :lol4: :twocents:
Oh Please do it! RIght infront of the court house in seattle...watch the homeless run...and then I could predator call them in bellevue...
man would that be sweet!
Post by: alanger on December 03, 2009, 03:37:33 PM
i didnt see a button for "stuffed on the wall" :dunno:
exactly addicted. i think they belong on my trophy room wall
thats the trophy every hunter wants on the wall.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 03, 2009, 03:40:06 PM
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then I could predator call them in bellevue...Be careful with that statement. You never know what might comeout of the woodwork! :chuckle:
-Steve
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2009, 03:48:56 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 03, 2009, 04:35:42 PM
what i said was they are not ynp wolves of Canadian origin...they are BC wolves...of Canadian origin...why is this so difficult to comprehend?The Canadian Gray wolves belong where they came from, hunting game that they evolved hunting, Where people hunt, trap, and kill the hell out of them every chance they get. Not down here in the lower 48 where they are petted and told they can kill off all the game herds, peoples livestock and then if they want some extra fun they can kill our dogs and chickens. >:( >:( >:(you know that we share a border with canada right... they belong here too, they evolved here too...the wolves we are seeing are not ynp wolves of canadian origin. how many times should we go over this?
So what you are saying is the wolves that we have and are seeing all over the Methow are not from Canada, nor are they from the YNP. Our wolves evolved right here in the Methow? I think its time for you to check back in with s.fitkin. I think fitkin was in search of his wolves yesterday, I thought about calling him up and telling him to check behind Hanks Market. Nice helicopter they were flying around in.
helicopters now...you better polish up your tinfoil helmet and pull all your fillings, the ominous THEY are coming for you. I got an Idea- hide in that culvert turned wolf trap for a while! a little bait might bring those wolves right in. :)
So now you are saying that the wolves that were turned loose in the YNP were Canadian wolves, but the wolves that are in the Methow are not Canadian wolves? How exactly does that work, do they get a special stamp after the wolves hit the YNP? The wolves that we have in the Methow are Canadian grey wolves. Some of them even have GPS collars. Fitkin said that we are getting wolves that are migrating from Idaho and Montana, do you think that maybe some of them might have gotten mixed up with the ynp wolves of Canadian origin? I wonder if they know that their original Canadian wolves turned ynp wolves are getting all mixed up with BC wolves. :dunno:Could you maybe put a call into your biologist friends and ask them for me. I would but you know how I am. :yike:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 03, 2009, 04:57:15 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 04, 2009, 10:21:01 AM
Its pretty laughable to think that the wolves in washington are not genetically related to Yellowstone stock. This is where the science comes in... one of the crooked bios takes a look at the DNA tests and sees that 15% is BC wolf and declares it a BC wolf even though 85% of the DNA is of undeterminable origin...AKA Yellowstone.I should have made an effort to be more clear about the methow wolves- they are still gray wolves, only they are a BC halotype that is smaller than the YNP animals and often has red behind the ears and red legs. It's sometimes referred to as a 'red legged' wolf.
DNA Evidence is collected and sent to a Lab in CA for results...the bios don't pack around pockets full of wolf hair/blood/scat to seed the DNA results, they want to know and understand the actual origin and gain a better understanding of the situation. There is no conspiracy.
The wolves in Washington (the ones we know about) are not of yellowstone origin, but they are of Canadian origin (mostly?) the Pend Orelle alpha male is a known Glacier NP wolf, but no DNA info was collected on the female- info on the pups was collected, but i have no idea about the results (the female should be identified with the pups and sires info).
Post by: CoryTDF on December 04, 2009, 10:30:52 AM
Post by: Bofire on December 04, 2009, 10:50:16 AM
Carl
Post by: addicted on December 04, 2009, 10:51:54 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 04, 2009, 08:25:12 PM
shallow graves are never in short supply
:yeah: AMEN!!! YES YES!!! Thats PERFECT PLANN! :chuckle:
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: Jamieb on December 04, 2009, 08:46:40 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 04, 2009, 09:07:54 PM
I dont understand why the bunny huggers think we need the wolves.
For some reason I do not understand, the huggers worship all predators. :dunno:
Post by: Special T on December 07, 2009, 07:20:15 AM
Post by: wolfbait on December 07, 2009, 09:59:49 AM
Its pretty laughable to think that the wolves in washington are not genetically related to Yellowstone stock. This is where the science comes in... one of the crooked bios takes a look at the DNA tests and sees that 15% is BC wolf and declares it a BC wolf even though 85% of the DNA is of undeterminable origin...AKA Yellowstone.I should have made an effort to be more clear about the methow wolves- they are still gray wolves, only they are a BC halotype that is smaller than the YNP animals and often has red behind the ears and red legs. It's sometimes referred to as a 'red legged' wolf.
DNA Evidence is collected and sent to a Lab in CA for results...the bios don't pack around pockets full of wolf hair/blood/scat to seed the DNA results, they want to know and understand the actual origin and gain a better understanding of the situation. There is no conspiracy.
The wolves in Washington (the ones we know about) are not of yellowstone origin, but they are of Canadian origin (mostly?) the Pend Orelle alpha male is a known Glacier NP wolf, but no DNA info was collected on the female- info on the pups was collected, but i have no idea about the results (the female should be identified with the pups and sires info).
The Wolves in the M Valley are Canadian gray wolves, very same as the YNP wolves. The red wolf is a cross between the gray wolf and a coyote; red wolves are a recognized species. Over a long period of time they became recognized as a species as long as they bred with their own kind (red wolf to red wolf). The red wolves were reintroduced by the USFWS first in North Carolina. The problem is that they have a very low survival rate because of habitat and they also readily breed with coyotes. Breeding with coyotes dilutes the species and will remove them from the ESA. Gray wolves breeding with coyotes produces "Super Coyotes", which produces a smaller wolf and also the red markings. I would imagine that all of the state that the gray wolves have been dumped in have some super coyotes by now.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 07, 2009, 10:20:11 AM
Post by: wolfbait on December 07, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
i did not say red wolf. They're not red wolves, they're gray wolves from BC, often referred to as "red legged" wolves. So far, there has been no genetic link to the YNP wolves found. You should try to collect some DNA evidence and prove everyone wrong.
I suppose if they ever find another wolf pack in the M Valley it will have whatever DNA wdfw pulls out of the bag.
Post by: chrisb on December 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM
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Post by: Jethro on December 07, 2009, 04:38:46 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 07, 2009, 06:28:43 PM
I think everyone should stop crying and complaining on here about the wolves and do it someplace it matters, like the WDFW and polititions or whoever we need to. And cram our complaints down there throats so far they will have to listen or they'll choke. Either that or get out there and start doing some serious SSS
Many of us are doing something about the wolves is Washington, how bout you, have you written letters called? made a pain in the ass of yourself to the people who might be able to change things????
Post by: Shootmoore on December 07, 2009, 06:39:51 PM
I think everyone should stop crying and complaining on here about the wolves and do it someplace it matters, like the WDFW and polititions or whoever we need to. And cram our complaints down there throats so far they will have to listen or they'll choke. Either that or get out there and start doing some serious SSS
Many of us are doing something about the wolves is Washington, how bout you, have you written letters called? made a pain in the ass of yourself to the people who might be able to change things????
I am! Some actually take the time to send you a nonform letter. I am form letter vs form letter battling with several. See how long it takes them to have an aid blow smoke up my hinterand. I come on here for more ammo and to realize I am not alone.
Shootmoore
Post by: IBspoiled on December 07, 2009, 08:23:42 PM
Post by: KTMSMOKER on December 08, 2009, 07:20:19 PM
I think wolves have there place, where people dont go, ie canada. Why were there no wolves here? Our great grand parents killed them and they either moved on or got shot. Seemed to be ok 80 years ago, whats wrong with it now? Anyone eles have a tough time in ne wa for deer? If ya think about the increase dog and cat population could led to a decrease in prey population? Anywho there are no wolves in wa.... just big yotes :)
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Post by: NWBREW on February 09, 2010, 04:35:46 PM
US mexico border.
Sounds good to me.
Post by: westsidebuckslayer on February 09, 2010, 04:56:48 PM