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Other Hunting => Coyote, Small Game, Varmints => Topic started by: jaredpost on December 05, 2009, 10:10:42 PM

Title: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: jaredpost on December 05, 2009, 10:10:42 PM: I am wanting to get into coyote hunting and I don't really have a gun setup for it. My regular hunting rifle is a 30-06 sited in using 180 grain bullets that wouldn't very friendly for shooting coyotes if I wanted to save the pelts. I have an AR-15 that I have been considering putting a scope on and using it. The AR has a 16 inch barrel and a 1 in 9 twist rate. Would it be worth putting a scope on it to get my feet wet in yote hunting or should I just wait until I can buy a new rifle?

Also I have been starting to reload for the last year and was wondering what bullets are recommended in a .223?

Thanks,
Jared
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: littlebuf on December 05, 2009, 10:14:53 PM: i love my AR for yotes. mine has a 1 in 9 twist and i reload 55 gr v max ( i should go look at the box to be sure) and its wicked accurate. the only trouble you may run into is i am assuming you have a carry handle AR if it doesn't already have a scope. it can be a real pain trying to get lined up with a scope so high above the rifle not to mention with the barrel so much lower than the scope complications in the field can accrue. what you want is a flat top
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: huntnphool on December 05, 2009, 10:17:28 PM: Scope for the AR
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: jaredpost on December 05, 2009, 10:23:22 PM: My AR is a flat top. I've been looking at the Nikon coyote scopes in 3 X 9 40mm. Is there a specific zoom range I should look for? I've also seen the 6 X 18 as well. Is the 40mm enough or should I go with a 50mm? Any other brand recommendations?
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: littlebuf on December 05, 2009, 10:28:45 PM: scope brands are like truck brands. i myself have a Nikon on my AR and its great. it is a 3x9 but i am looking to get the new coyote special in 4.5x14. again personal preference but Nikon is good glass especially for the money. now i also own a 900$ Burris and others in between so really it all comes down to what ya want and what ya got to work with
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: coop2424 on December 05, 2009, 10:46:36 PM: I would for sure put the scope on the AR. Very nice gun to have to hunt coyotes. I am looking to put a 4x14 on my varmint AR and my m4 other has a 3x9 and plan on using them both for coyotes. That will be a real good setup for you and if you want something else in the future then you could get it. :twocents:
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: littlebuf on December 05, 2009, 10:50:05 PM: but lets also not forget, theres nothing wrong with buying a new gun ;)
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: jaredpost on December 05, 2009, 10:55:02 PM: I would love a new gun but that would put my coyote hunting on hold for a good 6 months where buying a scope for the AR could get me ready in a few weeks. My goal is to be able to try some hunting in January if someone could point me towards someplace to hunt or possibly let me tag along on a hunt.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Straight Shooter on December 06, 2009, 04:22:52 PM: As an experiment, I put a 4.5-14 mil dot on my DPMS AP4 just to see what kind of accuracy I could get with it at 100 yards. Surprise, surprise... with 40 gr Fiocchi V-Max loads, I was able get it to group at 1/2"... with the 8+ lb, crappy trigger!! My bull barrelled 16" AR (w/3 lb Timney trigger) will shoot 1/4" with the same ammo.

Heck yeah... get some good glass, good rings and see what it can do.

If you decide to get a bolt gun, take a look at the "budget" class Stevens 200 in .223. I have a Redfield 3-12 on it and it will also group 1/2" with that 40 gr load.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 06, 2009, 04:38:33 PM: Quote from: Straight Shooter on December 06, 2009, 04:22:52 PM
As an experiment, I put a 4.5-14 mil dot on my DPMS AP4 just to see what kind of accuracy I could get with it at 100 yards. Surprise, surprise... with 40 gr Fiocchi V-Max loads, I was able get it to group at 1/2"... with the 8+ lb, crappy trigger!! My bull barrelled 16" AR (w/3 lb Timney trigger) will shoot 1/4" with the same ammo.

Heck yeah... get some good glass, good rings and see what it can do.

If you decide to get a bolt gun, take a look at the "budget" class Stevens 200 in .223. I have a Redfield 3-12 on it and it will also group 1/2" with that 40 gr load.
I have a Stevens in 22-250 and love it. Bought it for 269 at Sportsmans in 06. Had the trigger lightend up last year and that was my only complaint.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Straight Shooter on December 06, 2009, 04:56:18 PM: Quote from: shoot-em-dead on December 06, 2009, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Straight Shooter on December 06, 2009, 04:22:52 PM
As an experiment, I put a 4.5-14 mil dot on my DPMS AP4 just to see what kind of accuracy I could get with it at 100 yards. Surprise, surprise... with 40 gr Fiocchi V-Max loads, I was able get it to group at 1/2"... with the 8+ lb, crappy trigger!! My bull barrelled 16" AR (w/3 lb Timney trigger) will shoot 1/4" with the same ammo.

Heck yeah... get some good glass, good rings and see what it can do.

If you decide to get a bolt gun, take a look at the "budget" class Stevens 200 in .223. I have a Redfield 3-12 on it and it will also group 1/2" with that 40 gr load.
I have a Stevens in 22-250 and love it. Bought it for 269 at Sportsmans in 06. Had the trigger lightend up last year and that was my only complaint.

I did the same trigger job (took about 2 minutes) on the my .223... it breaks right at 3 lbs w/no creep. Picking up two more Stevens in .22-250 and .243 in the very near future... can never have too many critter gitters!

Taking the .308 version, having the barrel re-crowned to 18", and topping it off with Dead Nutz rings/Mueller APV would make one handy, lightweight (right at 7 lbs), mountain rifle... damn, I might have to do that!!
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: jaredpost on December 06, 2009, 07:42:16 PM: Is there a certain type of rings I need to use for mounting a scope on an AR flat top?

For a new rifle I've been looking at the Tikka T3 in a .223 or 243. So for now I will get a good scope that I can later put on a good bolt rifle. Thanks again for all the advice.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Big10gauge on December 06, 2009, 08:13:22 PM: The most important thing when mounting a scope on a AR is being able to get the scope mounted far enough forward. For predator hunting you will want the eyepiece no further back than the rear of the charging handle, or close to it. I use Armalite 1 piece scope mount since you can move it forward. The Armalite is removable also Also Larue but it's expensive. Just something to be aware of.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: ICEMAN on December 06, 2009, 10:00:25 PM: I recommend doing both.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: GEARHEAD on December 06, 2009, 10:51:18 PM: That AR will do for ya, just put a bushnel 3x9 trophy scope on it. be sure to purchase 1/2 inch risers for it, they install on the rail, to raise the scope, you absolutely want to do this.that gun will do just fine for you i suspect. don't expect it to be a 300 yard tac driver, it is what it is. so save the money on the scope. that bushnel is actually a pretty good scope, i've had two, still have one, only costs a buck.

howeverrrrrrrr...... i would recommend a bolt gun, they all shoot good, i'm a rem 700 fan, i would highly recommend .243, ya can shoot those hornady varmit rounds at 3600 plus fps, and have a spare for deer work. same scope or better will work just fine. ya can pick up a used newer one easy already scoped and ready to go for $350 or less. i started with that same gun you have, missed an awful lot, blew out an eardrum too, switched to a bolt gun and they started dropping rarely ever missed after that. just my two pennies.

good luck.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 07, 2009, 06:52:58 AM: You know- after thinking about it I would suggest that this year you just use your 30-06 with some light loads. predator hunting is both addictive and very hard. You may get the occasional drive buy but when it comes to calling them in it is tough. Save your money this year and find out if you like it. Lots of hours can be spent freezing your arse off without calling in a thing.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: jaredpost on December 07, 2009, 09:19:03 AM: Quote from: shoot-em-dead on December 07, 2009, 06:52:58 AM
You know- after thinking about it I would suggest that this year you just use your 30-06 with some light loads. predator hunting is both addictive and very hard. You may get the occasional drive buy but when it comes to calling them in it is tough. Save your money this year and find out if you like it. Lots of hours can be spent freezing your arse off without calling in a thing.

What size of .30 cal bullet would you recommend? Like I said before, all I have right now is 180 grain bullets but I reload and could easily make up some smaller loads.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 07, 2009, 09:24:25 AM: 110 grain - max powder
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Bofire on December 07, 2009, 10:40:22 AM: Yes, both. and you might as well get a new AR upper also.
:chuckle: Carl
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: GEARHEAD on December 07, 2009, 11:23:11 AM: Gotta agree with the above remark with regard to using your 30-06. i believe i was ahead of myself or maybe yourself with my prior advise. use the -06, if ya don't plan on going to a range, just use the 180 grainers that you already shoot. if ya do go to a range just shoot a 150 grain anything.
my new advice, " Do not buy anything until you call in a yote and kill it for the first time" After that, the sky's the limit. my shots for called in yotes average maybe 50 yards. lots at 15 yards. so just carry the -06 ya got and go for it, get some camo tape for it, be sure to have shooting stix, and did i mention camo, camo, camo. buy a Randy Anderson yote hunting dvd, i would recommend calling in all dogs III, get a couple calls, i use the Circe med/long range rabbit, and a Carlton #10 open reed,and then, after success, decide what ya want to do, to further your coyote adventures.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Big10gauge on December 07, 2009, 03:37:31 PM: Coyote hunting isn't any fun and is highly over rated as a pastime, save your money and buy booze.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 07, 2009, 05:32:02 PM: Quote from: Big10gauge on December 07, 2009, 03:37:31 PM
Coyote hunting isn't any fun and is highly over rated as a pastime, save your money and buy booze.

You are :liar:
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: MikeWalking on December 10, 2009, 09:38:20 AM: Save your $$ and buy a scope...

Of course if you just want a bunch of us to say you need a new rifle I'm sure we will all oblige ;)

Last time I looked, Federal had a 55gr sabot in 30-06. 3200fps
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: dontgetcrabs on December 10, 2009, 09:52:07 AM: Quote from: Big10gauge on December 07, 2009, 03:37:31 PM
Coyote hunting isn't any fun and is highly over rated as a pastime, save your money and buy booze.

Very funny. :tup:
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: jaredpost on December 10, 2009, 10:43:41 PM: Well I went and bought a new scope for my 06 so I think I'll give a try hunting with it first. I've been looking a the hornady 110 grain V-Max bullets. Once I get some rings I'll mount my old scope on the AR and take it to the range to see if I like the setup.

Can someone suggest a place to go within an hour or two drive from Tacoma? I'm hoping to go out next friday but I'm not sure where to go yet. If anybody wants to go show me the ropes I would be very grateful.
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Blacklab on December 11, 2009, 07:57:37 AM: Quote from: GEARHEAD on December 06, 2009, 10:51:18 PM
That AR will do for ya, just put a Bushnell 3x9 trophy scope on it. be sure to purchase 1/2 inch risers for it, they install on the rail, to raise the scope, you absolutely want to do this.that gun will do just fine for you i suspect. don't expect it to be a 300 yard tack driver, it is what it is. so save the money on the scope. that Bushnell is actually a pretty good scope, I've had two, still have one, only costs a buck.

good luck.

That is exactly what I did. 2 years ago bought a Nikon bushmaster for the 06 and took the Bushnell off put it in a box. I already had eoulux 4x22 on the carry handle, which was okay. A month or 2 ago I ran down to wholesale sports picked up a Leupold riser $40 and weaver rings slapped it on the AR. Works alot better than the previous scope with the higher magnification. For less than $60 and a old scope laying around I'm quite pleased. ;)
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Guano on December 11, 2009, 11:46:47 AM: I have an ACOG TA01 w/a LaRue Tactical ACOG Mount QD LT-100 on my AR...I hunt a w/it religously. 55gr V-max 1-9 twist. I use this weapon when my shots are hopefully going to be less than 200 yds, otherwise I use my 204!
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Bofire on December 11, 2009, 11:53:12 AM: Tacoma Sportmans Club on Canyon road is a good place to shoot. $5.00 per gun, tehy have pistol, rifle and shotgun ranges.
Carl
Title: Re: Should I mount a scope on my AR or buy a new rifle for yotes?
Post by: Straight Shooter on December 11, 2009, 12:03:07 PM: I have a 1.5-5x20 (circle dot) on my DPMS AP4 for cover/inside 200 yards, and a 4.5-14x44 (mil-dot) on my DPMS Lo-Pro.