Post by: mulehunter on December 06, 2009, 06:12:49 PM
But.... HERE Your CHOICE! I dont know how 15 BP will be like in our FUTURE!
LOT PICTURES ON WAY!
Mulehunter :yike:
Post by: mulehunter on December 06, 2009, 08:02:56 PM
I want to show you something, CAN YOU IMAGE HOW 15 Bp WILL LOOK LIKE if this PICTURE IS ONLY ONE BP Pack! :yike:
This road is all FRESH SNOW 1- half" No one went up this road since yesterday. This is PROOF Wolves are going wipe out all Deer!
MORE PICS COMING!
Mulehunter :(
Post by: twisp_river_slayer on December 06, 2009, 08:07:50 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on December 06, 2009, 08:09:11 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on December 06, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 06, 2009, 08:25:54 PM
Mulehunter :yike:
Post by: wolfbait on December 06, 2009, 08:26:57 PM
Post by: NWBREW on December 06, 2009, 08:32:14 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 06, 2009, 08:33:37 PM
Mulehunter :rolleyes:
Post by: mulehunter on December 06, 2009, 08:36:51 PM
Mulehunter :(
Post by: boneaddict on December 06, 2009, 09:05:57 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 06, 2009, 09:18:27 PM
By the way People, I am no longer use TrailCamera up there. I got PLENTLY Pictures taken thur three years. Now I am getting tired of going and back and etc.
If you want to enjoy getting some pictures Sure you will get GOOD CHANCE to put your TrailCamera up McClurre Mt. ANYWHERE! I promise you will get some NICE picture!
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: mulehunter on December 06, 2009, 09:23:20 PM
Mulehunter :o
Post by: MichaelJ on December 06, 2009, 09:24:33 PM
Michael
Post by: mountainman1 on December 06, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
Hey People, Look at this size of TRACK next to my hand, :yike: This is BIG MALE WOLF M.F.! I cant wait to pet him! :chuckle:
Mulehunter :o
Yes it does look like a big male, probably the alfa dog for one of the Lookout Packs. Looks like the Alder Rd, good pics mulehunter..not much left was there!!
Post by: wolfbait on December 06, 2009, 10:56:52 PM
Post by: twisp_river_slayer on December 06, 2009, 11:08:23 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on December 06, 2009, 11:31:04 PM
its not that far for them to to move, especially when there on the prowl for women and small children :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Michael
Post by: mountainman1 on December 06, 2009, 11:36:30 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 06, 2009, 11:39:16 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 06, 2009, 11:40:57 PM
Post by: mountainman1 on December 07, 2009, 12:09:18 AM
Think that alpha male is one of them 60 pounders. :chuckle:
It looks to me like you need to take a closer look at the big alpha dogs around here you need to add about 60 pounds!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: boneaddict on December 07, 2009, 12:25:29 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 07, 2009, 12:27:37 AM
Post by: mountainman1 on December 07, 2009, 12:38:37 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2009, 06:02:29 AM
Doesn't look like a kill site to me honestly... ;)
Michael
Micheal, yes ur right, this picture doesn't show bloody and rest of body. The deer carcass are missing and above my picture u can see those wolves are dragging thur ridge upper hill and it was windy chill 20mph and my boot end up frozen from hiking backward track for FRESH deer kill no luck. I promise I will find fresh deer kill.
;)
Mulehunter
Post by: Ray on December 07, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
Post by: twisp_river_slayer on December 07, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 07, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2009, 11:29:10 AM
hunters go out and drop their deer hides. it looks like they were dragging one around. That definitely wasn't the kill site of a deer. They were milling around that area. It might be a WDFW feeding station for them too :chuckle:
Possible, remember last spring we post a deer kill with bloody all over last spring. I promise I will find several.
I will post more pics when I get back.
Wolves are now 2 miles from 80 cattles.
Not good sign!
Mulehunter
Post by: MichaelJ on December 07, 2009, 11:51:36 AM
hunters go out and drop their deer hides. it looks like they were dragging one around. That definitely wasn't the kill site of a deer. They were milling around that area. It might be a WDFW feeding station for them too :chuckle:
:iamwithstupid:
I thought the WDFW were expecting the Ranchers to supply the "feeding stations"..... you know the mobile ones with four legs that go "Mooo"? :P :bdid:
Post by: boneaddict on December 07, 2009, 11:54:57 AM
Post by: denali on December 07, 2009, 12:00:17 PM
not trying to hijack thread but this article is troubling. (dated Dec. 4)
http://www.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_468faeb8-e06b-11de-a34e-001cc4c002e0.html
Post by: wolfbait on December 07, 2009, 12:14:24 PM
Post by: twisp_river_slayer on December 07, 2009, 12:46:47 PM
Not good sign!
Mulehunter
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Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? :chuckle: They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.
Post by: wolfbait on December 07, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
Wolves are now 2 miles from 80 cattles.
Not good sign!
Mulehunter
Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? :chuckle: They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.
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An excuse, you have to be joking, or maybe you went to fitkin wolf biologists school and thats the problem? How do you know the ranchers didn't lose any more to wolves this summer, did you forget about the cow up Hornet Draw? Do you really think that people are going to call fulla----fitkin when they have wolf problems. Wolves will kill whats easy, and one of these days fitkin won't be able to lie his way out of stock killings by the wolves. Or maybe our red legged wolves don't eat cows. :rolleyes:
Post by: Grizzly95 on December 07, 2009, 03:33:55 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 07, 2009, 04:55:09 PM
Post by: twisp_river_slayer on December 07, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 07, 2009, 07:59:22 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on December 07, 2009, 08:37:53 PM
Wolves are now 2 miles from 80 cattles.
Not good sign!
Mulehunter
Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? :chuckle: They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.
An excuse, you have to be joking, or maybe you went to fitkin wolf biologists school and thats the problem? How do you know the ranchers didn't lose any more to wolves this summer, did you forget about the cow up Hornet Draw? Do you really think that people are going to call fulla----fitkin when they have wolf problems. Wolves will kill whats easy, and one of these days fitkin won't be able to lie his way out of stock killings by the wolves. Or maybe our red legged wolves don't eat cows. :rolleyes:
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I just think everybody who reads a new post of yours about wolves just begins to roll their eyes and are stirring the pot as they get enjoyment outta how fired up you get! I know I do! You've restated your opinions on this argument God knows how many times... Just post your signature on a wolf thread and we should be able to guess what you would say...
Michael
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2009, 09:36:18 PM
I just think everybody who reads a new post of yours about wolves just begins to roll their eyes and are stirring the pot as they get enjoyment outta how fired up you get! I know I do! You've restated your opinions on this argument God knows how many times... Just post your signature on a wolf thread and we should be able to guess what you would say...
Michael
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Michael, Yea I know how you feel, I am not threw a Wolf thread to cause a problem. I am here to post what I found and some people would like to hear about it. It getting old everytime. I understand and also good to keep history put together and wolf tracker where last place and what next place and how many to keep everyone posted to know where they travel.
I am not asking anyone to cause problem on my thread. I just wanted to enjoy and share neat pics.
Have great Winter hunting!
Mulehunter :rolleyes:
Post by: MichaelJ on December 07, 2009, 10:03:57 PM
I just think everybody who reads a new post of yours about wolves just begins to roll their eyes and are stirring the pot as they get enjoyment outta how fired up you get! I know I do! You've restated your opinions on this argument God knows how many times... Just post your signature on a wolf thread and we should be able to guess what you would say...
Michael
Michael, Yea I know how you feel, I am not threw a Wolf thread to cause a problem. I am here to post what I found and some people would like to hear about it. It getting old everytime. I understand and also good to keep history put together and wolf tracker where last place and what next place and how many to keep everyone posted to know where they travel.
I am not asking anyone to cause problem on my thread. I just wanted to enjoy and share neat pics.
Have great Winter hunting!
Mulehunter :rolleyes:
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MuleHunter, my post wasn't posted in regards to you. You actually post pictures and everytime you post its sort of a "current events" type deal with the wolves. I enjoy your pics don't let me discourage you...
Michael
Post by: twisp_river_slayer on December 07, 2009, 10:37:24 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 08, 2009, 04:00:02 AM
Wolves are now 2 miles from 80 cattles.
Not good sign!
Mulehunter
Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? :chuckle: They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.
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I guess the calf that the Golden doe cow had the day before the doesn't count,eh?
Post by: mulehunter on December 08, 2009, 06:26:02 AM
I just think everybody who reads a new post of yours about wolves just begins to roll their eyes and are stirring the pot as they get enjoyment outta how fired up you get! I know I do! You've restated your opinions on this argument God knows how many times... Just post your signature on a wolf thread and we should be able to guess what you would say...
Michael
Michael, Yea I know how you feel, I am not threw a Wolf thread to cause a problem. I am here to post what I found and some people would like to hear about it. It getting old everytime. I understand and also good to keep history put together and wolf tracker where last place and what next place and how many to keep everyone posted to know where they travel.
I am not asking anyone to cause problem on my thread. I just wanted to enjoy and share neat pics.
Have great Winter hunting!
Mulehunter :rolleyes:
MuleHunter, my post wasn't posted in regards to you. You actually post pictures and everytime you post its sort of a "current events" type deal with the wolves. I enjoy your pics don't let me discourage you...
Michael
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Understand and thanks. I really enjoying find them in wood and wanted to help u people and everyone to know where and what they have done. Wish I could keep them away from Ranchers. Very sad about our future hunting. That's part of life.
Enjoy my pics in future.
Mulehunter
Post by: wolfbait on December 10, 2009, 10:02:04 AM
don't get the wrong impression mulehunter. Your one of the only guys who consistently posts pictures or actual usefull information about the wolves. Other guys like wolfbait just blow hot steam and never back up anything they say. Keep up the good work :) Your an asset to this site when it comes to local information
How many wolves do we have in the M. Valley slayer, you work for fitkin, so tell us. Are there just the 6 or 7 wolves in the lookout pack. Is the lookout pack the only pack that you are monitoring?
Post by: mountainman1 on December 10, 2009, 09:44:35 PM
Post by: twisp_river_slayer on December 11, 2009, 07:42:57 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 11, 2009, 08:12:19 AM
Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? :chuckle: They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.Whoa...common sense is barred from any wolf thread. These threads need more hyteria and panic, not logic. :)
Post by: wolfbait on December 11, 2009, 01:31:23 PM
Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? :chuckle: They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.Whoa...common sense is barred from any wolf thread. These threads need more hyteria and panic, not logic. :)
You betcha wacoyote, I suppose we can always fall back on your managment plans and the red legged wolves. Did you go to a special school to steer conversations off in a pacified direction. Hide your head under the covers and it will go away syndrome will not work where the wolves are concerned. But you just keep trying. ;)
Post by: saylean on December 11, 2009, 01:34:16 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 11, 2009, 02:17:16 PM
We can always fall back on your sensationalism and stories without any evidence or backing. At least we have an understanding. ;)Yeah that's not good but the rancher who ran cows up Libby didn't loose any of his bulls, cows or calf's. And the wolves did spend all summer there. Do wolves only eat cows during certain times of the year? :chuckle: They must have been too busy killing all the deer and all the other woodland creatures that are going to disappear because of the wolves. The golden doe cow is the only instance i can think of but it seems easy to cry wolf now that the public has an excuse too.Whoa...common sense is barred from any wolf thread. These threads need more hyteria and panic, not logic. :)
You betcha wacoyote, I suppose we can always fall back on your managment plans and the red legged wolves. Did you go to a special school to steer conversations off in a pacified direction. Hide your head under the covers and it will go away syndrome will not work where the wolves are concerned. But you just keep trying. ;)
I went to school (and worked hard at it) to develop a better understanding of biological functions and concepts related to wildlife and the environment.
What did you go for?
Post by: MichaelJ on December 11, 2009, 05:13:55 PM
Michael
Post by: mountainman1 on December 11, 2009, 05:42:45 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 11, 2009, 06:08:17 PM
Yes, why cant someone tell me the truth about how many wolves we have in the Methow valley,two years ago the count was 6 in the Lookout Pack and now today I am still hearing only six, now you game department guys work for us so what is the real count? I found two different tracks up the river, so does that mean there is only one. Deer you multiply and wolves you subtract, by game department figures!!!!
Mountainman1, Yes your right, Its not a OUT OF CONTROL, By the way its the First of best picture as EXAMPLE in OUR FUTURE! I know in other states got worst than here. Its good for people to see some interesting picture out there because Most people never know where and never find them and some people never seen this such thing like that.
Thank you for post Picture, GREAT EXAMPLE for us to know soon before getting Worst.
Yes there is two tracks that I found last week about 20 miles apart, I am very CURIOUS about this different tracks. I will wait till I confirmed myself soon!
By the way next time take picture with your hand closer so it can help us understand what possible wolf or cougar or coyote or Big Dogs. Who knows... Gotta try next time! :) I do believe you its wolf. I would like to see closer!
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: mountainman1 on December 11, 2009, 11:09:20 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 11, 2009, 11:26:36 PM
You will see these charcteristics in many of the photos submitted in this thread...
As quickly as wolves have reproduced in the Rocky Mountain states, we are probably only a few years behind them before we see the same problems. :twocents:
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2009, 12:43:01 AM
I know about the area they are in, Poorman to Lookout and Smith Canyon, and Booth, if I find anything I will let you guys in on it. and take more pics. Here are some more pic of the wolf kills in or near Darby Mt....................
Mountainman1, I am postive this is 2nd PACK that WDFW doesnt know... for 3 years, I believe ya! Since last three years I know for sure cuz I were there! Glad more people start to check things out up there!
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: wolfbait on December 12, 2009, 09:58:59 AM
Post by: Axle on December 12, 2009, 10:07:51 AM
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One big thing to help you guys identify the type of kill is that a cougar also eats in through the arm pit and shoulder to get the organs first and a cougar also eats most all of the bones before it is finished with a kill. Wolves often start eating from the a$$ first and often do not finish an animal like a cougar usually does. Wolves also often do not eat many of the bones.
I've seen dozens of cougar kills and never have seen one eat any bones or go in after the organs. Bears and dogs eat bones. The cat kills I've seen will eat meat off of the neck and hind leg. They will eat about 10 lbs and then often not even return to it. If game is plentiful, they will just kill another. When a cougar kills an elk, they can't possibly eat it all even if they did return. It would rot away or the coyotes would eat it. Typical signs of coyotes is that they like to open the gut cavity and lung areas. my :twocents: (which comes from a lot of time in the woods)
Post by: luvtohnt on December 12, 2009, 10:14:11 AM
Brandon
Post by: wolfbait on December 12, 2009, 12:47:49 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on December 12, 2009, 01:57:03 PM
The wdfw are monitoring more than one pack in the M. Valley ;)
Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.
Michael
Post by: wolfbait on December 12, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
The wdfw are monitoring more than one pack in the M. Valley ;)
Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.
Michael
:chuckle: :chuckle: Yer funny, you think I will ever shut up about the wolves and what they have done to the game herds in other states and what they are now doing to Washington? Go to Your Room and rethink what you just said. Oregon biologist knew about the second wolf pack for how long??? Fitkin has a leak in his outfit. You can wait for second wolf pack in the M. Valley like the rest of us.
Post by: Houndhunter on December 12, 2009, 02:29:44 PM
QuoteOne big thing to help you guys identify the type of kill is that a cougar also eats in through the arm pit and shoulder to get the organs first and a cougar also eats most all of the bones before it is finished with a kill. Wolves often start eating from the a$$ first and often do not finish an animal like a cougar usually does. Wolves also often do not eat many of the bones.
I've seen dozens of cougar kills and never have seen one eat any bones or go in after the organs. Bears and dogs eat bones. The cat kills I've seen will eat meat off of the neck and hind leg. They will eat about 10 lbs and then often not even return to it. If game is plentiful, they will just kill another. When a cougar kills an elk, they can't possibly eat it all even if they did return. It would rot away or the coyotes would eat it. Typical signs of coyotes is that they like to open the gut cavity and lung areas. my :twocents: (which comes from a lot of time in the woods)
from the lion kills i see they eat alot of it, but ive never seen a kill where it started for the organs usually what i see is they are eating the meat. i think they kill more when the weather is warmer cuase a cat wont eat bad meat, i guess game is more plentiful during spring and summer but i think the only time they kill more often is from the warmer weather :twocents:. ive never seen any sign of them killing for fun and wasting the animal so thats intreesting to read that, but my family found/heard of a group of 6 lions running together in a pack they would kill a deer a day :yike:
Post by: wolfbait on December 12, 2009, 06:33:06 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 12, 2009, 09:06:07 PM
We have found fresh kills in snow storms that were barely eaten on and actually chased the cat off the kill when we followed the drag marks to the kill. From the kills I have inspected, almost always the organs are eaten in the first meal of the animals we have found.
My experience is that when a cat kills a deer he is out of circulation (layed up near the kill) for almost a week until the carcasse is consumed. If you disturb it too much or bump the cat off the kill he may not come back at all. If he kills an elk he may be layed up for a couple weeks or more. Then when the kill is about finished, they go hunting again. Lots of times it's these cats that we find their track. We turn the dogs out following the tracks which were made all night while the cat hunted and the tracks circle back to the old kill. Many times (dozens of times) we have caught the cat within 100 yards of the old kill where he was laying, the area around the old kill is trampled by old cougar tracks, and we have seen that all there was left is some hair, forelegs, jaw, and part of the skull.
I have also inspected lots of coyote kills and most of the bones are left, but the meat is all eaten. When you look at many wolf kill photos, you will see that many bones are left and that often the wolves start at the back end of the animal. Incidentally, I have also seen coyotes that were killed and eaten by cougar, thus the reason many cougar kills are not bothered by coyotes.... :chuckle:
I have also spend many a night for the WDFW watching farmers sheep and goat depredation kills. We check the kill in the middle of the night every 30 to 60 minutes, and a few times when the flashlight hit the kill the cougar was standing over the kill looking at us.
Sometimes the cat comes back and finishes everything except the hair, forelegs, part of the skull, and lower jaw (they even eat the skin at times). Other times, and I think it's because we disturbed things too much, they never came back at all. But I have caught too many cougar (dozens) off kills (both deer and domestic animals) with only hair and a few bones remaining, to not know what I am saying.
If some of you don't think I know what I am talking about that is fine. You can go with your story and I will go with mine, no hard feelings and we are all happy..... :)
Post by: bearpaw on December 12, 2009, 09:12:14 PM
The wdfw are monitoring more than one pack in the M. Valley ;)
Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.
Michael
:chuckle: :chuckle: Yer funny, you think I will ever shut up about the wolves and what they have done to the game herds in other states and what they are now doing to Washington? Go to Your Room and rethink what you just said. Oregon biologist knew about the second wolf pack for how long??? Fitkin has a leak in his outfit. You can wait for second wolf pack in the M. Valley like the rest of us.
That's funny as heck, even Uncle Obama has leaks in the whitehouse....why wouldn't there be a leak about the # wolves being tracked.... :chuckle: :dunno:
Post by: Special T on December 12, 2009, 09:14:23 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 12, 2009, 09:24:26 PM
I hope this also explains why they use choppers and either shotguns or automatic weapons in Idaho to gun down rogue livestock killing wolves. The objective is to get the job done.
Post by: Special T on December 12, 2009, 09:29:06 PM
Post by: Axle on December 13, 2009, 09:44:25 AM
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How do i sign up for that hunt!
Ya! Hey Bearpaw, can you get us in on that? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: mulehunter on December 13, 2009, 11:08:05 AM
Mulehunter :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on December 13, 2009, 03:59:03 PM
Post by: 300winmag on December 13, 2009, 04:44:07 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on December 14, 2009, 02:43:34 AM
Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.
Michael
:chuckle: :chuckle: Yer funny, you think I will ever shut up about the wolves and what they have done to the game herds in other states and what they are now doing to Washington? Go to Your Room and rethink what you just said. Oregon biologist knew about the second wolf pack for how long??? Fitkin has a leak in his outfit. You can wait for second wolf pack in the M. Valley like the rest of us.
I know for a fact u won't shut up about wolves and what they are doing to our game herds in the western states... I don't like them being in the Methow anymore than you do (or anywhere in the US for that matter). However you are ALWAYS B!TCHING and moaning and saying that you KNOW the WDFW is monitoring more than one wolf pack... Show some proof! Thats like me calling you a poacher without having ANY proof... Until you do, everybody on here is going to continue to think ur a NTAC...
So go back out and tend ur sheep and don't forget to keep protection on ur person!
Michael
Post by: wolfbait on December 14, 2009, 05:30:28 AM
Time to put up or shut up.... show some proof.
Michael
:chuckle: :chuckle: Yer funny, you think I will ever shut up about the wolves and what they have done to the game herds in other states and what they are now doing to Washington? Go to Your Room and rethink what you just said. Oregon biologist knew about the second wolf pack for how long??? Fitkin has a leak in his outfit. You can wait for second wolf pack in the M. Valley like the rest of us.
I know for a fact u won't shut up about wolves and what they are doing to our game herds in the western states... I don't like them being in the Methow anymore than you do (or anywhere in the US for that matter). However you are ALWAYS B!TCHING and moaning and saying that you KNOW the WDFW is monitoring more than one wolf pack... Show some proof! Thats like me calling you a poacher without having ANY proof... Until you do, everybody on here is going to continue to think ur a NTAC...
So go back out and tend ur sheep and don't forget to keep protection on ur person!
Michael
Ur pretty dang important to be able to speak for everyone, how did you aquire such presteage? Maybe you should bring your sleeping bag and come and spend a little more time in the M.Valley. Get to know your wolves a little better. Don't think I want any sheep they don't hold up to well in wolf country. 12/7/09: FWS releases depredation numbers
(By Cat Urbigkit, Pinedale Online!) The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service reports that as of the first week of December 2009, these are Wyoming's depredation numbers: A total of 195 sheep were killed, with 14 wolves killed in responding control actions. Thirty-seven sheep were killed in the Upper Green, along with six wolves; 113 sheep and three wolves in the Big Horn Mountains; and 45 sheep and five wolves in the Dog Creek area of the Snake River country. Twenty-one head of cattle were killed in eight areas, with 16 wolves killed in control actions. All but about 10 of the cattle were killed in various areas of Sublette County. In addition, seven dogs were killed by wolves in Wyoming so far this year. I thought mostly my bitching and moaning was more about everything the wolf has done and continues to do to the states where they were released, sorry to have dwelled on how many wolves ur buddy fitkin is watching. I guess time will tell how many wolves we have, than perhaps you and your clan can tell me how the wolves grew so fast in such a short period of time! Maybe you would like to PM me and tell me what NTAC is, that way I could respond a little better. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 14, 2009, 05:41:44 AM
Post by: wolfbait on December 14, 2009, 05:45:22 AM
presteage is that similar to prestige?
Yep, means the same thing just takes up more paper :chuckle:
Post by: MichaelJ on December 14, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Michael
FYI- NTAC = no talent @#$ clown
Post by: mulehunter on December 14, 2009, 05:05:49 PM
Thank you all people for your good feedback about how thing will be like in future and know what best for all of us.
We gotta do something about it. Write to WDFW Complaint all u can. It wont hurt anything but help fight with them.
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: Axle on December 14, 2009, 09:22:35 PM
Keep up the good work Mulehunter! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Kain on December 14, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 15, 2009, 04:21:28 AM
I believe that wolfbait has his heart in this issue too, maybe he gets a little excited now and then, and maybe he hasn't provided the proof he talks about, but there may be reasons connected with this lawsuit he speaks about in Okanogan County. No one else in this state to my knowledge has gone to as half as much effort to dig up as much information about wolves for everyone to read as what wolfbait has. On top of that, he puts up with a lot of flack back from some of you guys but still hasn't given up on this site yet. I for one enjoy reading the info wolfbait digs up about wolves, most of the info is all documented somewhere, but hard to find, and he brings it all forward for us all to read.
I believe Wacoyote hunter also has his heart in this issue and has some really good points to bring to the Wildlife Commission on managing wolves in this state. I wished he was on our state wolf management plan team, he wants wolves managed responsibly and that is a lot more than what I can say for what I have seen coming from the WDFW in their wolf plan recommendations.
In fact, most of the rest of us on here really care about this wolf issue, however, many of us have a little different viewpoint from the other. It seems to me it's these little differences that are driving us to slam each other and call each other names and get into heated discussions.
I personally think we would all be further ahead to agree with each other that we all want a responsible management plan and then try to not get so excited over the little differences. Take a few minutes and write a letter to the wildlife commission and to the politicians who might be able to influence the commission.
Well that's my :twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on December 15, 2009, 04:34:26 AM
The WDFW (the Dept) is charged with managing fish and wildlife in Washington. The WDFW makes their recommendations to the Wildlife Commission about how they want to manage our wildlife and hunting.
The WDFW Wildlife Commission is a citizen group, each appointed by the governor, who vote in their meetings to decide how wildlife and hunting will be managed in Washington. They listen heavily to Dept recommendations, but they also listen to public testimony and I have seen them go against Dept recommendations when public testimony has clearly offered better arguments and management proposals.
It's the Wildlife Commission who will decide the management of wolves in Washington. The dept will implement their management decisions. If you want to make a differnce on this wolf issue then I suggest you write the commission a friendly message and tell them what you think, remember there is strenght in numbers, if everyone who wants a responsible plan will write the commission it may actually make a difference. You have until Jan 8 to send comments. :twocents:
Post by: mulehunter on December 15, 2009, 05:05:46 AM
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: boneaddict on December 15, 2009, 05:52:48 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 15, 2009, 08:28:39 AM
Post by: wolfbait on December 16, 2009, 10:01:45 AM
Post by: Axle on December 16, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
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Everyone is different and I cant make everyone to agree eachother. Thanks Bearpaw for write!
You can't? That's not what I heard Mulehunter. Word on the street has it that you can force people to agree using midevil tactics. I wouldn't want to be your opposition! Oh baby!
:chuckle:
Post by: luvtohnt on December 16, 2009, 02:55:10 PM
Brandon
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2009, 06:43:40 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 18, 2009, 06:44:56 AM
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2009, 07:02:42 AM
Post by: bearpaw on December 18, 2009, 07:10:46 AM
So has anyone ever thought that maybe the game department is sticking up for us? Scenario: If the pro wolf lobbyist knew that there where more than one pack in the methow with minimal depredation and impact on wildlife occuring would they want more pack numbers before we delist?
That would be nice, but I doubt that is the case. Most of us who have been following this issue closely know that the Defenders of Wildlife have strong ties with the WDFW, this is evidenced by the Defenders links on the WDFW website and by the recommendations WDFW has in the draft wolf plan.
There are WDFW employees who are pro hunting and those that are not necessarily that much in favor of hunting. I think we are all seeing the effects of WDFW personel who do not necessarily support hunting.
The key thing to remember is that the Commission sets management policies and the WDFW implements those management policies. If you want any chance to make a difference, write the commission.... :twocents:
Post by: mountainman1 on December 18, 2009, 06:25:52 PM
Post by: Special T on December 18, 2009, 06:31:53 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2009, 06:37:22 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2009, 06:44:57 PM
Would it be Illegal to Live trap wolves and then stick a collar on them? Maybe we could find a way to do their job for them? It would be a lot of work but it could force them to do their job... What if we concentrated in a specific area that we knew were there were wolves and the WDFW denies they are there? what are your ideas? I know I plan on putting my camera out where i think there are some...
How about if we just get a link to the wolves that they already are tracking. I think it can be done.
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2009, 07:17:22 PM
Would it be Illegal to Live trap wolves and then stick a collar on them? Maybe we could find a way to do their job for them? It would be a lot of work but it could force them to do their job... What if we concentrated in a specific area that we knew were there were wolves and the WDFW denies they are there? what are your ideas? I know I plan on putting my camera out where i think there are some...
Are you trying to make wdfw look bad? Shoot, before long everyone will realize that they have wolves. New corridors, no people allowed of course, bigger parks many restrictions, and the list goes on. Welcome to the Wolf Tool, a lot like the Spotted Owl tool. wdfw will still be saying two confirmed wolf packs in Washington, s.fitkin will be saying "never seen so many deer, deer every where" Free late season tags". :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: mulehunter on December 18, 2009, 07:39:11 PM
I still say we should be able to confirm them by handing in their tails or ears. Think of all the running around money they will save trying to find the evidence. Redneck moment. :)
Wish some more Redneck out there that could just Mail it thur FEDEX and have them deliver to WDFW OFFICE Instead Canandian and It Will do better Evidence and cheaper!! :chuckle: Make sure Note included.... IS THIS 2nd PACK or have you already Confirmed this 2nd pack in same Gmu during summer 09? ??? But The okanogan side have their own wolf problems, Scott fitkin just can't find the Chronicle paper phone number.
ANY SUGGEST.... :rolleyes:
Mulehunter :dunno:
Post by: Special T on December 18, 2009, 07:43:10 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2009, 07:55:06 PM
I still say we should be able to confirm them by handing in their tails or ears. Think of all the running around money they will save trying to find the evidence. Redneck moment. :)
Wish some more Redneck out there that could just Mail it thur FEDEX and have them deliver to WDFW OFFICE Instead Canandian and It Will do better Evidence and cheaper!! :chuckle: Make sure Note included.... IS THIS 2nd PACK or have you already Confirmed this 2nd pack in same Gmu during summer 09? ??? But The okanogan side have their own wolf problems, Scott fitkin just can't find the Chronicle paper phone number.
ANY SUGGEST.... :rolleyes:
Mulehunter :dunno:
Mulehunter, you look up the Chronicle phone number, send me pm, I will pm twisp river slayer and then he can go tell fitkin. problem solved, everyone will be real happy at wdfw :) :)
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2009, 08:05:21 PM
I feel like i need to go hug a bunny with all the attitude copped at me! :tree1::chuckle: :chuckle: Better get after it, cuz soon the bunnies will be gone also. Only folks left will be carrying long shooters and lots of ammo. and maybe a late tag or two. Compliments of s.fitkin and his many deer!!!
Post by: mountainman1 on December 18, 2009, 08:13:03 PM
Post by: Special T on December 18, 2009, 08:19:38 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2009, 08:42:19 PM
Post by: Jerome on December 18, 2009, 08:55:17 PM
Would be a great place to hide a pack, or 2. I've seen Wolves near Sedro Woolley chasing the nooksack herd of elk. No wonder they had a hell of a time for 20 years trying to rebuild the herd. I thought it was because of all the bears and cougars, guess I was wrong. Damn! :bash:Where have you seen wolves chasing the herd?
Post by: Special T on December 18, 2009, 09:05:22 PM
Post by: mad-bomber on December 19, 2009, 12:48:10 AM
Post by: Galpster on December 19, 2009, 03:28:06 AM
We know they are their so what do we do about it?
I am all for SSS but that can get us in trouble and in the news and the anti hunter crowd will win with that bad publicity. So what is the answer?
First I think we need some hard evedince like trail cam pics.
Second we need to show the fresh kills and the effects of these herds. If they are killing then there is going to be evidence of that.
Third let us come together and come up with some real solutions to the wolf problem and then we can go forward and do our part to save our hunting grounds for our future generations.
just my thoughts after reading they are here, no they are not, yes they are, okay but they blah blah blah. What are we going to do?
Post by: mountainman1 on December 19, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
You need to look at the Washington Wolf Plan, and the wolf plans of other state to see if they are working. This state, Washington, needs a plan that includes a plan to control the wolves. I am not hearing that in the plan, so the more we know the more we can honestly speak of the wolf situation. We all know the wolves are here, we as hunters need to be heard and have a voice in the control of our game no matter what we are hunting.So, we need to do some more research in the books and on the ground....
Post by: hunt4 on December 19, 2009, 06:20:09 PM
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If they are killinghuh? They are killing they are wolves, they are predators.
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real solutions to the wolf problemAgain they are predators and should be shot on sight, we are the ultimate predator and i do not like competition just like the wolf does not. They destroy there competition and so should we.
I feel there is no more room for another predator. Plenty now.
Once we start hunting these things the game will change, they are not stupid. They will become educated and will be very hard to manage.
Wolf hunts will not be shooting fish in a barrel and they will do just fine once educated..so i say let the education begin NOW!
Post by: wolfbait on December 20, 2009, 04:21:34 PM
After reading this very long chain I have a single question.
We know they are their so what do we do about it?
I am all for SSS but that can get us in trouble and in the news and the anti hunter crowd will win with that bad publicity. So what is the answer?
First I think we need some hard evedince like trail cam pics.
Second we need to show the fresh kills and the effects of these herds. If they are killing then there is going to be evidence of that.
Third let us come together and come up with some real solutions to the wolf problem and then we can go forward and do our part to save our hunting grounds for our future generations.
just my thoughts after reading they are here, no they are not, yes they are, okay but they blah blah blah. What are we going to do?
Number one. There are other WAYS to get rid of wolves besides the 3-sss or poisons, they are not pretty but neither is the way that the wolves kill. I think if wdfw does not give Washington a plan that is reasonable, than people will resort to different methods the same as other states have.
Trail cams have been and still are being used in the Methow as proof that we have more wolves than wdfw are admitting to. Trail cam pictures of wolves were shown to wdfw biologist of the Methow before new wolf pack of 08 in 70 years BS. Like the livestock kills, it you don't fined them in a day, how can you tell a pro-wolf biologist that wolves were responsible even if you heard them while they were doing it. Other than saying the @ss was ate out and that was it? So it is not that easy to pin down the wolf and the liars who represent that brought them into this country. The books can be cooked just as s.fitkin is doing with the deer count. Before the first introduction of the Canadian wolves, there was a plea for everyone to oppose the Canadian wolf introduction, not enough people came forward. It seems that now a days people don't react until it is in their own backyards, and that is where we are today.
In the end, if wdfw don't manage the wolves, then they will be managed by the people. :twocents: