Post by: lokidog on December 09, 2009, 09:53:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 09, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
Post by: Axle on December 09, 2009, 10:34:47 PM
Shot placement is the focus.
Post by: cohoho on December 09, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Moose are wimps. Just about any caliber will work.
Shot placement is the focus.
Really Whimps????
Post by: Axle on December 09, 2009, 10:50:01 PM
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Quote from: Axle on Today at 10:34:47 PM
Moose are wimps. Just about any caliber will work.
Shot placement is the focus.
Really Whimps?
Yes, really. Very big, but whimps. They are not stout like elk. Having hunted (and harvested) them a few times and having talked to guides that have hunted them for decades, I can say they are whimpy. I could go on with stories but I've said enough. The only other thing I would add is how good they taste. It is excellent.
Post by: andrew_12gauge on December 10, 2009, 05:48:30 AM
Post by: GoldTip on December 10, 2009, 06:32:25 AM
That being said I would NOT get a 243 for a kid to use on Moose, they don't have the experience,(JMHO) when the adrenaline gets flowing to make precise shot placement, when using a gun that is marginal for the application. I would agree with the 308win as being a very good Moose gun, but I would probably get the 165gr bullets just for the added penetration. Not gonna be as flat shooting as the 150's, but your daughter probably shouldn't be stretching the range on her first big game animal anyway, especially something as large as a Moose.
Also, I would disagree with the statement that Moose are wimps, I've hunted them every year for the last three years, and they seem to be not much different than any other big game animal, elk, deer or bear. Make a marginal shot and the chase will be on, hit'em right and they go nowhere, just like any of the others.
Post by: Dipsnort on December 10, 2009, 08:08:40 AM
Also, I would disagree with the statement that Moose are wimps, I've hunted them every year for the last three years, and they seem to be not much different than any other big game animal, elk, deer or bear. Make a marginal shot and the chase will be on, hit'em right and they go nowhere, just like any of the others.True that a marginal shot could mean trailing a moose for a long ways but Axle is right, a good shot on a moose will drop it like a sack of rocks in short order. I wouldn't hesitate to use a lighter caliber on moose than elk. They are nowhere near as tough as elk. Not even close.
Post by: lokidog on December 10, 2009, 08:25:07 AM
It is a ways to go yet as she has to get through Hunter Safety (not sure where we'll find a class that is anything close to convenient), then get on the tag wagon.
Post by: longrange7mm on December 10, 2009, 08:27:59 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 10, 2009, 08:36:54 AM
QuoteQuote from: Axle on Today at 10:34:47 PM
Moose are wimps. Just about any caliber will work.
Shot placement is the focus.
Really Whimps?
Yes, really. Very big, but whimps. They are not stout like elk. Having hunted (and harvested) them a few times and having talked to guides that have hunted them for decades, I can say they are whimpy. I could go on with stories but I've said enough. The only other thing I would add is how good they taste. It is excellent.
Wow, have hunted well over a dozen moose, kind of have to disagree with that statement as I am sure we all have stories. I know of one that was hit 4 times with a 300 win mag 200 grains, all in the boiler room and nver found that animal. It was shot from about 50 yards. I have shot them with everything from a bow, pistol, ML and rifle. So kind of unconvinced about them being wimps.
Post by: longrange7mm on December 10, 2009, 08:39:50 AM
Also, I would disagree with the statement that Moose are wimps, I've hunted them every year for the last three years, and they seem to be not much different than any other big game animal, elk, deer or bear. Make a marginal shot and the chase will be on, hit'em right and they go nowhere, just like any of the others.True that a marginal shot could mean trailing a moose for a long ways but Axle is right, a good shot on a moose will drop it like a sack of rocks in short order. I wouldn't hesitate to use a lighter caliber on moose than elk. They are nowhere near as tough as elk. Not even close.
moose are whimps/ they are in the aspect that they offer a vital shot the size of a 5 gallon bucket. with a small bullet like these calibers offer better make sure of every thing down to were his near side leg is placed!!!! you will never blow through a major bone on a moose with these rifles. and also consider there low heart rate!! a bad shot will take alot longer for the animal to expire. lokidog if you are going to take her on an alaska hunt were you have a better opportunity i dont think alot of guides will allow anything less than a magnum cartridge :dunno: in that case i would get her a 300 win mag with a muzzle break it will kick less than the 308
Post by: rasbo on December 10, 2009, 08:49:05 AM
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Post by: Machias on December 10, 2009, 03:29:37 PM
Post by: lokidog on December 10, 2009, 07:37:56 PM
The Howa 2 in 1 looks like a nice rifle but not sure we'll go with something new at this point.
Post by: mkcj on December 10, 2009, 07:45:21 PM
Post by: PA BEN on December 11, 2009, 05:07:19 AM
Moose are wimps. Just about any caliber will work.Let me tell you about my wimpy Washington moose. I shot him in the neck facing away from me at 37 yds. Centered the cross hairs on the line of hair that runs down the back of the neck. Touched it off and he ran away, he didn't flinch, buck or shake his head just ran. I thought I missed, I put two more in him quartering away, they went in about 5" apart. He still went 200 yds before he dropped. I used a 7MM REM. Mag. 175 gr. Core lock bullet.
Shot placement is the focus.
To answer the question about a youth gun for moose, I started putting my 10 yr old daughter for moose and will use a youth ranger win. mod. 70. 7mm-08. I will hand load 160 gr Nosler AccuBonds.
BTW, here's the 175 gr I dug out of his neck between two vertebra's.
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 11, 2009, 05:13:40 AM
Post by: PA BEN on December 11, 2009, 05:28:50 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 11, 2009, 09:14:27 AM
Post by: Dipsnort on December 11, 2009, 09:56:03 AM
I have taken shots under remarkably similar conditions and shot placement on deer and 2 elk and few have dropped immediately like the moose.
Post by: Axle on December 11, 2009, 05:30:51 PM
I've seen one soak up so much lead that I couldn't believe he could still stand. But stand was all he did. Elk will run as far as possible in those conditions (and I know some have had moose do that too but it is not the norm for them).
One thing I found interesting on moose is - they have rather small backstraps. I was so amazed at this. I couldn't wait till I got my first moose to see the size of the backstrap. I figured that if elk had huge backstraps, moose must have extremely huge backstraps. Enough to fill a frying pan! Boy was I wrong! I was extremely disappointed at the size of it. It was about the size of a big MD backstrap. It was then that I realized that they are not stout like elk. They sure are fun to eat though!
Post by: PA BEN on December 12, 2009, 04:30:03 AM
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Post by: cohoho on December 13, 2009, 12:55:45 PM
Post by: GoldTip on December 14, 2009, 01:45:10 PM
Axle, my guess is that Moose must not have been much bigger than a good sized Mule deer then. Cuz I've been involved in killing 3 shiras Moose and been involved in about 5 Canadian bulls and everyone of their backstraps would have embarrassed any of the dead elk I've seen.
Post by: cohoho on December 14, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
"One thing I found interesting on moose is - they have rather small backstraps. I was so amazed at this. I couldn't wait till I got my first moose to see the size of the backstrap. I figured that if elk had huge backstraps, moose must have extremely huge backstraps. Enough to fill a frying pan! Boy was I wrong! I was extremely disappointed at the size of it. It was about the size of a big MD backstrap. It was then that I realized that they are not stout like elk. They sure are fun to eat though!"
Axle, my guess is that Moose must not have been much bigger than a good sized Mule deer then. Cuz I've been involved in killing 3 shiras Moose and been involved in about 5 Canadian bulls and everyone of their backstraps would have embarrassed any of the dead elk I've seen.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Good one Goldtip, I thought I was the one going crazy here on this Moose subject. Sorry to hi-jack the subject...
Post by: andrew_12gauge on December 14, 2009, 03:32:53 PM
Post by: bankwalker on December 14, 2009, 04:05:54 PM
Post by: Axle on December 14, 2009, 04:19:22 PM
I have harvested 3 moose. I have butchered several others. The biggest (of mine) being a 60 incher. Antler pic attached.
I have talked to a few guides and they say that you don't need a super caliber for moose. That is what they said and they also gave me the phrase 'whimp'. I did not use a guide on my trips but I made friends with a few. I did see a huge moose lay down after being hit in the foreleg (only muscle). Whimp! Absolute whimp!
My second to largest was a 48 inch rack moose and he was rather large. Did I pack it out whole?..... Are you nuts?! After cutting off the first hind leg, I thought - 'I'll just pick it up and move it over there to a better place so I can bone it out'. Boy was I wrong! I could not lift the leg off the ground and I was very healthy, strong, and athletic at the time (29 year old then). I had a hard time even dragging it.
Tease me if you want but a youngster does not need a magnum caliber rifle for moose. Nobody does. It is shot placement that counts. And if you find a whimp that will lay down for you, then that just makes tracking that much easier. The 7mm calibers would be my recommendation. It is bears that a hunter protects themselves from when hunting moose. That is the gun you choose first.
The backstraps were small in diameter. Compared to elk (and body size), they were smaller - even on the 60 inch moose. I will hold to this since I have seen so many elk and moose and deer and others. I've seen bigger backstraps off of elk. Every animal has its own characteristics. Moose have theirs and I still say elk are a much stouter animal. The best part of a moose is the taste.
:chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on December 14, 2009, 04:28:47 PM
Post by: Bigbuckhunter_1996 on December 14, 2009, 05:25:48 PM
Post by: PA BEN on December 14, 2009, 05:36:10 PM
Post by: Axle on December 14, 2009, 09:19:49 PM
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At least wipe the dust off the rack before the the picture.
oops! :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on December 15, 2009, 01:23:56 AM
Post by: addicted on December 15, 2009, 02:57:23 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 15, 2009, 08:08:34 AM
.338 federal. very little kick. boasts the same energy downrange of a 7mm mag.
same as a 7 mag ??? hmm... I kinda doubt that. It's just a 308 Win case necked up to 338.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 15, 2009, 08:08:58 AM
Post by: Curly on December 15, 2009, 08:33:28 AM
Just use Barnes TSX bullets and the kid should have no problem putting the moose down. I'd go with 150 grain in the .308 or 140 grain in the 7mm. No need to go heavier than that......heavier bullets than those will just kick the kid more and not really kill the moose any better. Those bullets will penetrate like crazy and make mush out of the vitals. :twocents:
Post by: Intruder on December 15, 2009, 10:45:27 AM
1. Recoil... could be an issue if going w/ a bigger 308/7mm-08.
2. Hammer.... depending on the kid these can be a bit tricky for em.... especially un-cocking. Have heard of several close calls where kids are trying to un-cock single shots and have it go off. Hand strength, gloves, etc.
:twocents:
Post by: ing on December 15, 2009, 11:07:44 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 15, 2009, 11:11:35 AM
7/08 or 308 would be perfect IMO.
Post by: Curly on December 15, 2009, 11:17:38 AM
Post by: ing on December 15, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
Post by: lokidog on December 15, 2009, 11:54:34 AM
Post by: addicted on December 15, 2009, 12:27:19 PM
.338 federal. very little kick. boasts the same energy downrange of a 7mm mag.
same as a 7 mag ??? hmm... I kinda doubt that. It's just a 308 Win case necked up to 338.
i said boasts. it is a sweet caliber. very cabable.
Post by: bobcat on December 15, 2009, 12:33:36 PM
Post by: addicted on December 15, 2009, 12:53:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 15, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
Post by: Kent Hunter on December 15, 2009, 07:37:29 PM
Post by: cohoho on December 15, 2009, 10:16:44 PM
.375 H&H. She'll grow into it. :chuckle:
Now were talking...
Post by: addicted on December 15, 2009, 11:36:42 PM
.375 H&H. She'll grow into it. :chuckle:
Now were talking...
375's dont kick, they roll.
Post by: Axle on December 16, 2009, 09:24:14 AM
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375's dont kick, they roll.
Yep, she can harvest her animal and get rolled right back into the truck :chuckle:
Post by: addicted on December 16, 2009, 09:40:17 AM
Post by: Ripper on December 16, 2009, 08:52:56 PM
Post by: runningboard on December 16, 2009, 09:23:41 PM
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The whole stock is a recoil system. Even my 338 Win. mag. off the bench is fairly easy on the shoulder. Order a youth stockcan you get the pro-hunter with all the razzu recoil stuff built-in on a youth stock? I tried to look one up a few years ago & the length of pull was too long for my girl.
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What about a 35 Whelen? I have never shot one personally, but from what I hear they dont kick much more than a 30-06. Load up 250 grain Barnes TSX's and that should kill a moose just fine.I own a 35 Whelen Ackley Improved & it will push you out from under your hat, met a few others who own Whelens & they don't like to shoot 250's if they don't need to. not a great choice for a 13 YO girl. not a magnum kick, but more than a 06
Post by: shag on December 21, 2009, 01:04:23 AM
My daughter is finally showing a spark of interest in hunting, moose, of all things. Any ideas for her (13 and 5'2)? I actually have a Moisin Nagent (7.62X54) that, though a little heavy, is a good shooter and doesn't kick too much. Thanks.
Yep, 260Remington
Post by: PA BEN on December 21, 2009, 05:37:33 AM
Post by: addicted on December 21, 2009, 05:50:40 AM
my wife always says she doesnt feel the kick when shooting an animal. .