Post by: Lowedog on December 11, 2009, 10:51:23 PM
There must be some dirt bag out there with the same name as me or something. :chuckle:
Anyone else get delayed every time?
Post by: jrebel on December 11, 2009, 10:52:52 PM
Post by: littlebuf on December 11, 2009, 11:12:19 PM
Post by: Jamieb on December 12, 2009, 11:30:20 AM
One you've been denied or delayed its in the computer system and from then on, when you do the App. a red flag is going to pop up, becuse of the past delay and delay it again.
Post by: Lowedog on December 12, 2009, 02:31:15 PM
This is just something I was told at a gun counter and not sure if its true but it sounds good.
One you've been denied or delayed its in the computer system and from then on, when you do the App. a red flag is going to pop up, becuse of the past delay and delay it again.
You would think it would be the other way around. Once you have been delayed they should pretty much know who you are the next time. What can you expect from a government bureaucracy though. :dunno:
The last time I bought a gun it was a shot gun and they never did call the store back. I went down there after the 3 days and picked it up.
Post by: ICEMAN on December 12, 2009, 02:42:57 PM
If you continually get delayed because some buttsmear has used your name, or your name matches....there is a way to get into a database to help you cruise thru the process next time, this system is called VAF (Volunteer Appeal File)...
General NICS info plus VAF info: http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsfact.htm
Voluntary Appeal File (VAF)
Under this new process, potential purchasers may apply to be considered for entry into the VAF by signing an applicant statement which authorizes the NICS Section to retain information that would otherwise be destroyed upon the approval of the firearm transaction. This retained information includes, but is not limited to: a fingerprint card, court documentation, correspondence, and information contained in the applicant’s appeal file if one exists. A complete NICS check is still required for future purchases and will result in a denial if additional prohibitive information is discovered. The NICS Section is required to destroy any records submitted to the VAF upon written request of the individual.
Post by: Ray on December 12, 2009, 02:47:14 PM
This is just something I was told at a gun counter and not sure if its true but it sounds good.
One you've been denied or delayed its in the computer system and from then on, when you do the App. a red flag is going to pop up, becuse of the past delay and delay it again.
That's obviously not true because I have been delayed once and never again after.
Post by: ICEMAN on December 12, 2009, 02:53:20 PM
Post by: Huntbear on December 12, 2009, 02:56:23 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 12, 2009, 03:00:57 PM
and huntbear my father had his concealed permit and that did not help him at all.
Post by: Lowedog on December 12, 2009, 03:02:41 PM
I did get arrested once 25 years ago for minor in consumption of alcohol so maybe thats it. :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 12, 2009, 03:06:22 PM
Post by: ADAMS on December 12, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
"Another reason to have your concealed permit. Have never been delayed, always walked out with my purchase, same day."
:yeah:
Post by: ICEMAN on December 12, 2009, 03:12:44 PM
Post by: littlebuf on December 12, 2009, 03:22:30 PM
Huntbear said:
"Another reason to have your concealed permit. Have never been delayed, always walked out with my purchase, same day."
:yeah:
i feel the exact opposite of this. i will not ask permission to buy/own or carry a fire arm. i was born with permission. and one more reason i don't buy new guns antmore. and as far as keeping guns out of the wrong hands, you don't really believe that do you ice? worked pretty well in lakewood :dunno:
Post by: Jamieb on December 12, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
I wonder how many guys get delayed becuse of a misspelled word or some other mistake they make filling out that form. I know the guys working behind a gun counter are supposed to double check but I've seen how busy Cabelas or other gun counters get.
Post by: Ray on December 12, 2009, 07:37:54 PM
Another reason to have your concealed permit. Have never been delayed, always walked out with my purchase, same day.
That's not true either. You can be delayed by the federal check regardless if you have a concealed permit.
Post by: ICEMAN on December 12, 2009, 08:02:23 PM
Jamieb, most law enforcement search parameters have stopped using any SSN's because of Identity thieves stealing legitimate SSN's from folks like you and I, that there are so many SSN's on criminals alias records, that a search by SSN usually hits on many many individuals. Hence, most agencies do not search by SSN anymore, it was unreliable. Name and DOB, verified against current, valid photo identification is far more accurate. Mistakes made on your Federal purchase form are your fault. Mistakes over the phone to NICS are the Sellers fault.
You guys that don't like the system, please share with me a better system for keeping guns out of the hands of criminal? This has been studied and studied to death. No system is going to keep any single person happy each time they use it, and no system is going to keep guns out of bad guys hands each and every time. The average wait time for someone at the counter, during the call is under one minute or something like that...... Be patient.
Post by: Galpster on December 12, 2009, 08:09:42 PM
Post by: Ray on December 12, 2009, 08:14:04 PM
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So what can we honest people do? I think criminals get their guns faster than I do!!!
Correct. One of the major problems with NICS is that it denies your liberties until you pass a federal check. Last time I checked - I shouldn't need a government to tell me if I should be able to buy a gun to defend myself. Give it another 40 years and you'll need a rectal exam to get your guns.
Post by: ICEMAN on December 12, 2009, 08:20:29 PM
Okay then what can those of us do that get delayed everytime? I have a Concealed permit and I got delayed three days getting my baby eagle 40. I get sick of having to go back to get my firearms. I am ex military and no convictions on my record. So what can we honest people do? I think criminals get their guns faster than I do!!!
As stated earlier, apply for the VAF (Voluntary Appeal File), once NICS verifies why you continually get delayed, with your permission to retain data on you, they can add you to the VAF and each time thereafter, when you apply and provide your VAF number, the delay is eliminated.... (Unless you have a recent arrest or similar...they still check you against the prohibited databases.)
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2009, 08:43:15 PM
You guys that don't like the system, please share with me a better system for keeping guns out of the hands of criminal?
There is no system that is going to keep guns away from criminals. They can just buy from a private party or steal them. I'm really surprised to hear that you are a proponent of gun control. All they are doing now is making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase guns. Why do they also not have to go through the same procedure for people buying baseball bats, knives, etc. ?
Post by: littlebuf on December 12, 2009, 09:06:34 PM
You guys that don't like the system, please share with me a better system for keeping guns out of the hands of criminal?
There is no system that is going to keep guns away from criminals. They can just buy from a private party or steal them. I'm really surprised to hear that you are a proponent of gun control. All they are doing now is making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase guns. Why do they also not have to go through the same procedure for people buying baseball bats, knives, etc. ?
bingo, emphasis on the "control" in gun control because that's what it is about. you want a better system require everybody to have a gun, after it settled down the slime would be weeded out. obviously not a realistic option but that's my line of thinking. the government isn't there to control me its there for me to control.
Post by: jackelope on December 12, 2009, 09:20:28 PM
the last time, 6 months ago, no delay.
:dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on December 12, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
You guys that don't like the system, please share with me a better system for keeping guns out of the hands of criminal?
There is no system that is going to keep guns away from criminals. They can just buy from a private party or steal them. I'm really surprised to hear that you are a proponent of gun control. All they are doing now is making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase guns. Why do they also not have to go through the same procedure for people buying baseball bats, knives, etc. ?
bingo, emphasis on the "control" in gun control because that's what it is about. you want a better system require everybody to have a gun, after it settled down the slime would be weeded out. obviously not a realistic option but that's my line of thinking. the government isn't there to control me its there for me to control.
I agree.... :yeah:
Post by: ICEMAN on December 12, 2009, 10:09:59 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't like gun control very much, but I can accept this current level of inconvenience. I know you guys feel that every single gun sale halted by NICS is simply overridden by other means, but I do not feel that they are.
Post by: littlebuf on December 12, 2009, 10:13:03 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 12, 2009, 10:14:19 PM
Post by: littlebuf on December 12, 2009, 10:22:28 PM
Post by: phishisgroovin on December 13, 2009, 09:54:28 AM
Huntbear said:no true, i have mine and was delayed due to a holiday rule. the Cocealed doesnt garantee you to walk out with your new firearm.
"Another reason to have your concealed permit. Have never been delayed, always walked out with my purchase, same day."
:yeah:
Post by: ribka on December 13, 2009, 10:07:12 AM