Post by: steen on December 22, 2009, 01:01:20 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 22, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 22, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
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i can see 4 point or better being enforce-able but out to the ears minimum? not sure how one would enforce that.
a lot of guys who only want to shoot big deer would be for this but the bottom line is that those hunters are greatly outnumbered by meat hunters or guys who just like to kill deer and fill tags/freezers.
youth, or any for that matter, 2 point special permits wouldn't be bad, except a lot of young deer would get killed before they reach any potential.
Post by: Buckmark on December 22, 2009, 01:13:03 PM
I wish the wdfw would let the kids, seniors have permits that were any deer, mulie or whitetail..
Post by: boneaddict on December 22, 2009, 01:19:07 PM
Buckmarks statement about some of these twos getting popped and left is also a good point as I used to comment on huge two points, how they survive the gauntlet as most would see that huge rack then stop to count........
Take this buck for example. DO YOU REALLY THINK he'd survive or be turned down by 85% of the average hunting population. HELL I am a trophy hunter and I'd shoot him. Now tell me is he bad genetics or good?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2FAntler%2520Images%2Ftwoid.jpg&hash=f397ba94aa383b4d4806c8442b0cd90005f54d08).
Post by: piled-up on December 22, 2009, 01:19:59 PM
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Post by: boneaddict on December 22, 2009, 01:21:33 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 22, 2009, 01:26:26 PM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 22, 2009, 01:37:02 PM
Post by: Caseyd on December 22, 2009, 01:50:19 PM
Then there is this buck. He looked like this for about 5 years. Never changed.
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Looks like hes been on the wall more then 5 years....no wonder he hasnt changed :chuckle:
I like the idea of youth tags. There has been a huge 2 point on our ranch for a couple seasons now and it would be a great oppertunity for a youth hunter(anyone for that matter) He is similiar to the one bone posted in pic 1 minus the eye guards
Post by: alecvg on December 22, 2009, 01:59:28 PM
Post by: alecvg on December 22, 2009, 02:00:24 PM
Then there is this buck. He looked like this for about 5 years. Never changed.
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Saw a buck almost exactly like that this year! Couldn't put another point on him.
Post by: boneaddict on December 22, 2009, 02:02:58 PM
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It seems too many people shoot a young two point with eyeguards.THats a good observation and anecdotally could be adding to the depletion of genes for trophy bucks.
Post by: sako223 on December 22, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 22, 2009, 02:14:50 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on December 22, 2009, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 22, 2009, 02:38:19 PM
Post by: Caseyd on December 22, 2009, 02:41:27 PM
too many hunters in this state don't care about genetics and trophy hunting for a 4 point minimum to pass. enough people have enough trouble killing a 3 point.
:yeah:
Plenty of farmers who dont want deer in their fields/crops
Post by: Broken Arrow on December 22, 2009, 02:50:08 PM
Post by: squeeze2drop on December 22, 2009, 02:58:18 PM
I know, this is one of those top 5 controversial topics. :chuckle: It gets even more clouded when you watch deer change from year to year. One year they are a blossoming 4, and the next they are a two. :)
Buckmarks statement about some of these twos getting popped and left is also a good point as I used to comment on huge two points, how they survive the gauntlet as most would see that huge rack then stop to count........
Take this buck for example. DO YOU REALLY THINK he'd survive or be turned down by 85% of the average hunting population. HELL I am a trophy hunter and I'd shoot him. Now tell me is he bad genetics or good?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2FAntler%2520Images%2Ftwoid.jpg&hash=f397ba94aa383b4d4806c8442b0cd90005f54d08).
Id pass on him, and heres why, as ive gotten older ive realized how important it is to manage the bucks in the area you hunt(we hunt in a very private area nobody hunts) so i have a good idea of whats out there due to the scouting we do, anyway, id pass just for the fact that i dont want that on my wall, hes huge, and im not saying nobody should shoot him, im just sayin for me personally, i wouldnt do it, now, say hes a buck you have watched for a couple years and he isnt getting any bigger, well then, maybe its time to take him out, because hes only gonna revert after time, and getting his genetics out of the area MIGHT be a good idea, i like the 3-pt or better rule, i know for our area, its helped a lot.
Post by: 7mm short mag on December 22, 2009, 04:15:44 PM
too many hunters in this state don't care about genetics and trophy hunting for a 4 point minimum to pass. enough people have enough trouble killing a 3 point.i think after a couple of years of 4 point or better there will be alot more 4 points to hunt. people will like hunting more when they see alot better quality of deer :twocents:
Post by: PolarBear on December 22, 2009, 04:21:52 PM
Post by: andrew_12gauge on December 22, 2009, 04:44:18 PM
Post by: alecvg on December 22, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
I'm all for a 3 point minimum for blacktail and whitetail (4 point if you count eyeguards on whities) and a 4 point min on mulies. Have a special season or permit for spikes since studies have shown (at least in whitetails) that bucks that start out as small spikes usually are genetically inferior. Have a special permit for mature mulie 2 points.
I would be fine with three point or better for whitetails, but I would say two point and better for blacktails, and any buck for youth. From what I have seen, alot of blacktails grow to be big two points, could this be bad genetics? Maybe, but I personally think that is how blacktails are, the vary. Unlike mule deer or whitetails, who generally will grow to be a three or four point, or bigger, blacktails don't always tend to do that.
As for a mature two point tag, I too have thought of that as an idea, but I think it would be hard to specify what would be legal to shoot, how would you specify if it is "mature"? Its a good idea, but I think there too, people would probaly often shoot a little, young two point.
Post by: PolarBear on December 22, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2009, 05:41:55 PM
We have talked about the two point situation for a few years now as well. I think the 3 point rule is a good idea and have always hunted it even before the remainder of the units went that way. There used to be a handful of units that has the restriction and adjoining units did not. We would hunt the restricted units only and seldom saw more than a couple hunters each day, however when we would drive through the neighboring "any buck" units they would be packed.
I have said this before, I think WDFW are missing the boat on this 2 point problem though. What a way to win back a few haters, and at the same time take care of the problem. Youth and disabled hunts for 2 points only. It shows they care about the kids and disabled and also about limiting the number of inferior gene bucks.
I got one of those super forkies this year and let me tell you he was a horse of a deer. Unlucky *censored* grew a 1 1/2 kicker this year that was his doom, I'm sure he had been passed over several years because he was only a 2. Any 2 point with black, 5 1/4" bases is a mature buck in this state, he also had the largest head of any dear I have ever killed.
Post by: hunter guy on December 22, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2009, 05:53:25 PM
Post by: walleye1 on December 22, 2009, 06:01:16 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 22, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on December 22, 2009, 06:19:29 PM
Garrett
Post by: boneaddict on December 22, 2009, 06:20:12 PM
Post by: Buckmark on December 22, 2009, 06:28:27 PM
Heck there are guys who cant count to 3 or tell what an inch looks like right now with the 3pt or better rule so i dont think a smooth 2 only rule would work at all, whoops didnt see the sticker/eye guard let it lay. That happens now with the 3pnt rule only backwards..
Post by: boneaddict on December 22, 2009, 06:30:09 PM
Post by: banannaclip on December 22, 2009, 07:22:46 PM
Post by: chad s. on December 22, 2009, 07:23:55 PM
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Post by: fishunt247 on December 22, 2009, 08:01:53 PM
Post by: swanny on December 22, 2009, 08:38:04 PM
Post by: fly4fish on December 22, 2009, 08:51:36 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2009, 09:56:20 PM
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I imagine if it went to 4point or better you would see a decrease in tags purchased. Most people tend to only get a weekend to hunt and limiting them with what they can get even more would probably deter them from even going.
Swanny, with the general hunt only 8 days long, how many weekends do they have to choose from anyway. :chuckle:
Post by: Kowsrule30 on December 22, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
Post by: longstevo on December 22, 2009, 10:17:32 PM
But such is the rules. My favorite hunting unit when from a two point min. to a three point min. about two years ago. And while I haven't had a lot of time to devote to there, but I haven't seen a huge influx of big bucks, so I don't really know. :dunno:
Post by: Crowns on December 22, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
Post by: alecvg on December 22, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
The problem that I have with any buck youth hunts is the same that I have with doe youth hunts, a lot of the Dads fill that tag and not the kids. I personally know (but won't hunt with) folks who push their kids through hunters safety at a very young age just to get special youth permits and fill them themselves while Jr. is sleeping in the backseat of the rig. (Like the guy who tried to fill his daughter's doe tag in my front yard) It would be a great opportunity for kids but an equally great opportunity for bend the rules type of Dads, IMO.
That is true, and I have heard of that many times, but in my opinion, thats what happens. We can't just take away youth tags because some dads break the rules. Youth tags are what get kids into hunting, it did with me. I think youth tags are necessary. :twocents:
Post by: alecvg on December 22, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
i like the 3-point or better,some units have already for senoirs,and young hunters a any buck hunt so if they see a whopper they can harvest it, but they also can harvest a spike,2-point.if you want bigger bucks push the season to november and have a 4-point minium.
As fun as that would be, for a while, too many deer would die, hunting the rut with rifle, just about anyone can get a 4 point. And alot of people would do it.
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2009, 10:50:21 PM
Post by: kramman on December 23, 2009, 01:47:38 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 23, 2009, 06:14:54 AM
I think I have killed a four point every year for at least the last 15 or so, so it probably wouldn't effect me much.
Post by: GoldTip on December 23, 2009, 06:56:52 AM
Post by: swanny on December 23, 2009, 07:19:31 AM
QuoteI imagine if it went to 4point or better you would see a decrease in tags purchased. Most people tend to only get a weekend to hunt and limiting them with what they can get even more would probably deter them from even going.
Swanny, with the general hunt only 8 days long, how many weekends do they have to choose from anyway. :chuckle:
Good point. :P
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 23, 2009, 07:43:34 AM
Post by: Curly on December 23, 2009, 07:49:05 AM
I suggested this a couple years ago on this site and some guy really jumped my *censored* saying it has never worked in any state it has been implemented in and was a stupid idea. :dunno:
I'm pretty sure that was just last year.......
I think it was Muleyguy..........and I think he had some good points.
It was in the thread "2x2 Bucks only in Roosevelt, Harrington, and Steptoe"
Post by: boneaddict on December 23, 2009, 08:01:59 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 23, 2009, 08:52:20 AM
I suggested this a couple years ago on this site and some guy really jumped my *censored* saying it has never worked in any state it has been implemented in and was a stupid idea. :dunno:
it's one of those opinions you're gonna get from every angle on a subject like this.
Post by: coachcw on December 23, 2009, 05:47:17 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 23, 2009, 05:54:05 PM
Post by: Romulus on December 24, 2009, 11:57:28 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 24, 2009, 01:36:34 PM
Draw only will never happen, too much revenue loss.
It could be done w/o revenue loss. Make us buy a deer license in order to apply, keep BT and/or WT general. Could do the same with elk for that matter, eliminate the E/W split, general western, draw eastern. I have absolute faith in Wa State Government's ability to ensure they don't lose revenue; if participation is cut in half, double the fees.
Bottom line, can't improve quality in this state w/o cutting opportunity; we already mine our deer and elk. I would prefer a higher quality hunt for deer OR elk every year, vs. a marginal opportunity for both every year. I'm not typical, though - paramount importance for the majority of WA hunters is to hunt deer and elk every year, even though they don't like the resulting short, necessarily poorly timed and restricted seasons.
How about general archery OR draw-only ML and modern? Have to pick before the draw, can't hunt archery general if you apply? There's no magic solution to give everyone more and better opportunities.
Post by: Romulus on December 24, 2009, 01:43:38 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 24, 2009, 01:58:16 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 24, 2009, 01:58:54 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 24, 2009, 01:59:53 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 24, 2009, 02:00:51 PM
I love Doublelungs input. Always offers ideas and explanations. Now...what do you know about bullfrog tadpoles. :chuckle:Thanks Doug. Let's see ... hatch from eggs, 2 years to develop into little bullfrogs. Majority are detritivores, but some transform into a crnivorous life form. Fresh water, near neutral pH I believe, mud bottom.
Eventually, they grow legs that are rumored to taste like chicken!
Post by: elksnout on December 24, 2009, 03:25:29 PM
What I'm trying to say is that we all want our cake and eat it too { myself included } but we need to put the resource ahead of our own wants and wishes.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 24, 2009, 06:44:48 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 24, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
WTG elksnout, you summed it up perfect. # of HUNTERS is the only constant in any equation. Controlling winterkill, fawn recruitment, B to D ratios, and predation are all variables, which makes them more difficult to control. Although predator control IMHO is HUGE!!!
Be careful what you wish for ... the only easy-to-control predator walks on two legs and buys tags. US!
Post by: steen on December 24, 2009, 09:32:58 PM
It would also be nice to draw cow tags for elk without having to give up points for a big bull tag. At my age mid 40s I'd like to draw a few more any bull tags before I can't pack it out anymore but having meat in the freezer is great. I guess putting in the kids for cows will have to do for now. Sounds like Oregon has a pretty good system.
Great answers, I didn't expect such a huge response.
Post by: TheHunt on December 24, 2009, 10:05:43 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 25, 2009, 11:59:04 AM
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Screw the point restriction nonsense. Look how Oregon does it
Lets see, I;ve killed a mature buck the last 15 years here in Washington........and I have applied in Oregon to hunt and haven't drawn in 5 years. You guys do the math.
Post by: huntnphool on December 25, 2009, 12:53:24 PM
Post by: elksnout on December 25, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 25, 2009, 01:57:48 PM
Well, all these pages of responses pretty well sums it up to me anyways. Just the few members who replyed cannot agree over this topic.....so how in the heck does the game department dudes and dudettes set forth regulations to please all of the hunters of this state ? But I'll bet in a ten year span from now it wouldn't be too far fetched that we have some type of draw system and/or shorter seasons for us all to bear. The varibles mentioned { increased cougars, poaching, habitat loss and now wolves } will only increase with time. It won't matter much which one of us does the math.
Could not agree more. Well said.
Post by: bobcat on December 25, 2009, 02:31:04 PM
But I'll bet in a ten year span from now it wouldn't be too far fetched that we have some type of draw system
We can only hope! :tup:
Post by: banannaclip on December 25, 2009, 09:11:37 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 25, 2009, 09:36:14 PM
QuoteScrew the point restriction nonsense. Look how Oregon does it
Lets see, I;ve killed a mature buck the last 15 years here in Washington........and I have applied in Oregon to hunt and haven't drawn in 5 years. You guys do the math.
Well, to be fair, part of that is because OR only allocates non-residents a very small percentage of the tags. I am also going to guess that you are putting in for premium units, aren't you? As much as it might suck, I would be surprised if we don't wind up reverting to an Oregon-type system, at least for mule deer, in the next few years. On the other hand, Oregon has far fewer whitetails than we do, so for us, whitetail tags would probably remain OTC.
Post by: PolarBear on December 25, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 02:32:26 PM
Eventually, they grow legs that are rumored to taste like chicken!
I can vouch for that.
6 pages.
4 to go.
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buckle up...it's gonna be a 10 pager.
Post by: NWBREW on December 26, 2009, 04:40:14 PM
Eliminate ALL November rut hunts for mule deer and whitetails.
whitetails... :nono:
Post by: Jerbear on December 26, 2009, 08:33:04 PM
I was told by our Wildlife Area Manager that they are now starting to count the deer. For the most part they are counted from the air. Then the seasons are set on that count. The deer are scattered all over, and for the most part in the brush.
But if they don't see them, then they aren't there and set the season accordingly. I have very little use for our dept of wildlife. There plan is to divide and conquer, and that is what they are doing. How about setting down with folks like us, and work on the problem. Trouble is, they consider us the problem.
For those of us that are disabled and or elderly, are just about out of the game. The three point minimum makes it really difficult. I am considering just give it up and hunt birds on the Rez. Don't have to give the F&WL clowns a dime.
Go ahead and yell at me. I'm going to bed anyway. So there.
Post by: alecvg on December 26, 2009, 11:56:02 PM
Banannaclip, please don't give the sheetheads any ideas. I am disgusted with the 8 day season for modern rifle. If you folks want to buy into it, then so be it. But deep down, you all know it is a crock of s--t. This dept is run by biologist's that don't have to produce one damn bit of data for the calls they make. The season should be at least 15 days. Time to set up and enjoy a Deer Camp. Going to do one crowd eight days then all get eight days. The muzzies, and the stick flingers, all eight days. No late season for any group, being as the modern rifle aren't included in any of the areas around here. I can hear the neck hairs bristle from here. Yep. Don't screw with my way of hunting, we have it pretty good. But if you are honest, you have to agree that the group that has shouldered the load for a lot of years, are the ones that they keep taking away from.
I was told by our Wildlife Area Manager that they are now starting to count the deer. For the most part they are counted from the air. Then the seasons are set on that count. The deer are scattered all over, and for the most part in the brush.
But if they don't see them, then they aren't there and set the season accordingly. I have very little use for our dept of wildlife. There plan is to divide and conquer, and that is what they are doing. How about setting down with folks like us, and work on the problem. Trouble is, they consider us the problem.
For those of us that are disabled and or elderly, are just about out of the game. The three point minimum makes it really difficult. I am considering just give it up and hunt birds on the Rez. Don't have to give the F&WL clowns a dime.
Go ahead and yell at me. I'm going to bed anyway. So there.
I agree, I wish they would go back to the three weekend season. I think 4 point or better would solve alot of problems with young deer being killed early on. As much as it would be hard for me to pass on three points, not having shot many deer, I am for the 4 point or better.
Post by: Rovingarcher on December 27, 2009, 04:50:37 AM
Post by: andrew_12gauge on December 27, 2009, 11:23:37 AM
Post by: alecvg on December 27, 2009, 11:55:31 AM
just wanted to mention last i checked washington still has a 9 day season i know minor discrepancy but i see a lot of you talking about an 8 day season last i checked 2 full weekends and 5 weekdays adds up to 9
That is true, though I still wish it was 3 full weekends.
Post by: Jerbear on December 27, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
Post by: hunter guy on December 27, 2009, 01:32:24 PM
just wanted to mention last i checked washington still has a 9 day season i know minor discrepancy but i see a lot of you talking about an 8 day season last i checked 2 full weekends and 5 weekdays adds up to 9
That is true, though I still wish it was 3 full weekends.
In 2007 rifle hunters shot 23262 antlered game, archers got 2384 and the muzzleloaders got 1062. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2009, 01:37:11 PM
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I remember 30 day regular seasons. I know some one is going to jump in with the old, We have more hunters now.. Total bulls--t.
Actually we have less hunters now. ;)
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 27, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
QuoteI remember 30 day regular seasons. I know some one is going to jump in with the old, We have more hunters now.. Total bulls--t.
Actually we have less hunters now. ;)
Not to mention a ton less habitat.
Post by: NWBREW on December 27, 2009, 01:53:49 PM
In 2007 rifle hunters shot 23262 antlered game, archers got 2384 and the muzzleloaders got 1062. :twocents:
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I would be curious to know what % rate of animals taken compared number of hunters in each catagory. I know more are taken by rifle hunters but does anyone know what the ratio is for each of the three seasons. Just curious.
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2009, 01:58:56 PM
Post by: Jerbear on December 27, 2009, 02:01:02 PM
But then again our game dept has a better attitude toward winter die off, than harvest by hunters. The winter of 96-97 killed off thousands of deer. Hundreds of elk died for lack of food in their elk sanctuary by Mt. St. Helens. We have more does here in Klickitat county than could be supported in an adverse winter. But that is the way the Olympia idiots operate.
We can argue all we want. But here is a cold hard fact. Right now we have one Wildlife Enforcement Officer. We have several biologists in this area. Three to take care of the Oregon Spotted Frog, and the Western Pond Turtle. WE will let a herd of elk starve to death. We collect the turtle eggs. Take them to the Portland zoo where they are hatched. Then when it is deemed that they can take care of them selves, we bring them back to their place of birth.
We need to go to some meetings, as a large group and get some answers.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 27, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
Less habitat available for hunters for sure. As human population density rises, more and more land gets closed off. Nonconsumptive recreators use their political pull to restrict hunting. Citiots relocate to the country then complain about hunters, wildlife, etc.
Good private land goes from permission to leased hunting. The wealthier hunters buy opportunities and go out of state, the poorer hunters crowd together on available public land, until crowding, low success, high fees and complex regulations drive them out. We are going through Europification, soon only the really dedicated - willing and able to work out year-round to out-hike and out-hunt the rank and file - will be hunting well on public land. The wealthy will buy their opportunities, the rest (other than the really dedicated mentioned above) will either hunt less frequently, poach more frequently, or quit.
Post by: alecvg on December 27, 2009, 03:29:18 PM
just wanted to mention last i checked washington still has a 9 day season i know minor discrepancy but i see a lot of you talking about an 8 day season last i checked 2 full weekends and 5 weekdays adds up to 9
That is true, though I still wish it was 3 full weekends.
In 2007 rifle hunters shot 23262 antlered game, archers got 2384 and the muzzleloaders got 1062. :twocents:
Ya, I under stand that, I like the long season for archery, and I think the muzzleloader season should be longer, but so should rifle.
Post by: NWBREW on December 27, 2009, 03:38:23 PM
Are talking success percentage?
yes
Post by: fishunt247 on December 27, 2009, 08:53:44 PM
Post by: Jerbear on December 27, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
I don't know your age as you don't supply it. I state mine. I will be 71 in Februay. Lunacy? Deer camp was a place to get together with old friends and enjoy the season and the camaraderie. You proably wouldn't enjoy it. Did we kill a lot of deer. Not really, and it was just a bonus if we got one. When I speak as a group, I am talking to all that hunt. Not just rifle hunters, but all hunters. I notice that you are quick to defend the bow hunters. You better look around my friend. They are starting to cut you back, at least in this area. And did I not see a thread just a few days ago, that some bow hunters are going back to modern rifle? You don't want just 9 days but it is okay for the rifle hunters to only have 9 days. Really? We really need to address the game dept as a group, that means all of us and make them prove their numbers. They are liars, and cowards. They would not address all of us. Notice their surveys? All the questions are geared toward the answer they want. I don't bother any more.
The Western Gray squirrels is another story of a waste of money. I live next to the Klickitat Wildlife Area. I called the lady in Olympia that was in charge of that program. It had been going on for 13 years. I ask to be sent data gathered as a result of the study for 13 years. I told her I knew that they had put collars on the wrong way and that 30 of the animals died. She wanted to know how i knew about that. I would not tell her. She stated that there was no data, but they were certain that when alarmed, the squirrel would run up a tree to safety. They also determined that when the food ran out, they moved to another area. I thanked her and called State Senator Jim Honeyford. He called and they admitted that they did not have data. The party was closed down, and as a result we have a lot more squirrels here than when they did their study. During the study. the traps were wired shut when they were not working the traps. I did find traps that they forgot about. The animals had been long deceased.
Well that is about it. I still have my first hunting license and deer tag. 1954 was the year. To say I want an argument, and you call what I suggest lunacy, shows the lack of understanding on your part. I am suggesting that as a group we need to hold them accountable. I don't have all the answers, but you sure in the hell don't either.
Post by: fishunt247 on December 28, 2009, 09:39:03 AM
Post by: Jerbear on December 28, 2009, 10:44:22 AM
I am sorry you never got to experience a hunting camp. Tons of memories.
Post by: fishunt247 on December 28, 2009, 12:52:34 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 28, 2009, 01:41:25 PM
providing people an adequate amount of time to enjoy a deer camp is not a good reason at all to extend the season length. There are measures to extend your opportunities. Apply for a multiseason tag, they aren't hard to draw. But now we are so far gone from the thread issue.:yeah:
Post by: Jerbear on December 28, 2009, 04:48:53 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 29, 2009, 09:28:34 PM
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Post by: alecvg on December 30, 2009, 11:04:13 AM
keep everything the same ,3-point or better,keep the special late hunts,finally the general season is later , the later the better,and if you would like to bag a real wall hanger hunt the special draw hunts,the hard thing is to get drawn, but if you do ka-ching the big buck goes down.if you want to only hunt 4-point go ahead and hold out for one,theres plenty where i go,and bigger,not everyone cares about horn,just look at all the doe tags put out every year,now thats a mistake,killing all the good mountain doe,pretty soon there wont be any deer for us to worry about.
I am not worried about getting big bucks, thats not why I want it changed, it will help the health of the herds, its better for the deer. Plus bigger bucks would be funner. And also, with doe tags, it depends on the unit, it again helps the deer herds, if there are good buck to doe ratio, which much of Washington does not have.
Post by: Ray on December 30, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
You know Fishunt you just want to beat one issue to death. And you call me an idiot. I am sorry. You called me a lunatic
Definitely sounds wet behind the ears. :chuckle:
Anyone who does not agree with me is a lunatic and an idiot. Definitely justifies points in a debate quite well.
Post by: boneaddict on December 30, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Post by: steen on December 30, 2009, 03:36:37 PM