Post by: blmathis12 on December 26, 2009, 06:32:44 PM
Post by: bighorns2bushytails on December 26, 2009, 06:38:13 PM
--BH2BT
Post by: Bofire on December 26, 2009, 06:45:14 PM
Come on you guys somebody wants it!!
Carl
Post by: norsepeak on December 26, 2009, 06:55:25 PM
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Post by: Ray on December 26, 2009, 07:41:29 PM
Post by: grousetracker on December 26, 2009, 07:42:06 PM
Post by: Ray on December 26, 2009, 07:50:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 07:52:06 PM
it's definitely a shooter...
Post by: MADMAX on December 26, 2009, 07:52:36 PM
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Post by: Ray on December 26, 2009, 07:57:06 PM
Post by: blmathis12 on December 26, 2009, 08:55:20 PM
Post by: markts on December 26, 2009, 09:02:35 PM
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Post by: batch on December 26, 2009, 09:48:33 PM
Post by: markts on December 26, 2009, 10:31:23 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 27, 2009, 02:01:25 PM
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Explain you reasons for not owning a vanguard, mark v are out of my price range or I would have one, but I have had a vanguard for a couple years and it's been good to me. It shoots better then 1 moa never broke or malfuntcioned. The trigger does stink the synthetic stock isn't the best , it's an affordable factory gun. Not a semi custom. What's your thoughts
the vanguard that blmathis had used to be mine. it has a solid synthetic stock and a DIY adjustable trigger from the factory. it's a really good rifle for the money and is a friggin shooter...a mark V is a great gun, no doubt, but you're talking hundreds of dollars for pennies worth of improvement. :twocents:
Post by: Straight Shooter on December 27, 2009, 02:45:26 PM
QuoteExplain you reasons for not owning a vanguard, mark v are out of my price range or I would have one, but I have had a vanguard for a couple years and it's been good to me. It shoots better then 1 moa never broke or malfuntcioned. The trigger does stink the synthetic stock isn't the best , it's an affordable factory gun. Not a semi custom. What's your thoughts
the vanguard that blmathis had used to be mine. it has a solid synthetic stock and a DIY adjustable trigger from the factory. it's a really good rifle for the money and is a friggin shooter...a mark V is a great gun, no doubt, but you're talking hundreds of dollars for pennies worth of improvement. :twocents:
:yeah:
I have an older S&W 1500 in .30-06 (my most accurate big game rifle) and a Howa Axiom (assembled from a separately purchased barreled receiver and U/L stock) in .223 (24" heavy barrel). Both "Vanguards" are quality made, accurate, reliable rifles... what more do you need? :dunno:
Post by: Ray on December 28, 2009, 09:00:26 AM
QuoteExplain you reasons for not owning a vanguard, mark v are out of my price range or I would have one, but I have had a vanguard for a couple years and it's been good to me. It shoots better then 1 moa never broke or malfuntcioned. The trigger does stink the synthetic stock isn't the best , it's an affordable factory gun. Not a semi custom. What's your thoughts
the vanguard that blmathis had used to be mine. it has a solid synthetic stock and a DIY adjustable trigger from the factory. it's a really good rifle for the money and is a friggin shooter...a mark V is a great gun, no doubt, but you're talking hundreds of dollars for pennies worth of improvement. :twocents:
Yes but you can get Mark V rifles which are pretty well customed out from the factory. I agree with most of what you had to say. The major feature they tout is that the Mark V has a shorter angle on bolt lift , made in the USA and also offer more flexibility on options.
However the Mark V comes in lightweight and some semi-customized models. You really cannot compare the work on some of those rifles with the Vanguard series.
I have never seen a Vanguard from the factory look like this
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weatherby.com%2F_images%2Fproducts%2Frifles%2Fmarkv%2Fprofile%2Flarge%2Fmarkv_ultramark.jpg&hash=c1fd4e470aef83012239409dbff77a21ba1bad7c)
or this
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weatherby.com%2F_images%2Fproducts%2Frifles%2Fmarkv%2Fprofile%2Flarge%2Fmarkv_ultralightweight.jpg&hash=2a6c7fe4d78c20b6793bd479eb6649970452f493)
You'd have to spend a lot more cash..
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2009, 09:15:25 AM
Post by: Ray on December 28, 2009, 10:13:40 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 28, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
Post by: Bofire on December 28, 2009, 10:27:47 AM
Eveyone has a opinion and that is mine. :)
Carl
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 28, 2009, 10:31:07 AM
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I have never seen a Mark 5 that was not God awful butt ugly
You need to get out more.
(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10069/markv_crown.jpg)
Post by: Bofire on December 28, 2009, 11:51:04 AM
Carl
Post by: ing on December 28, 2009, 11:58:14 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 28, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Wish I could see the pics Ray, I have never seen a Mark 5 that was not God awful butt ugly, combined with a total piece of crap action the Vangaurd is a better gun. The browning (something) "gold medallion" I cannot remember is almost as ugly as Mark5's.
Eveyone has a opinion and that is mine. :)
Carl
Coming from a guy that thinks Tikkas are the *censored*....TFF!
Post by: Ray on December 28, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
I agree that funny looking photo WDFW presented is a really damn ugly rifle. I have never seen something like it and would never buy it. Does it come with a Sombrero too?
Post by: Bofire on December 28, 2009, 01:17:34 PM
LOL
Carl
Post by: markts on December 28, 2009, 01:26:30 PM
:)Never said Tikkas were the *censored*, today they are the best buy around and outperform many rifles costing much more, like Weatherbys.I have both and they shoot very good. Bought the Tikka for my long walks in the hills, my back aint what it used to be. The Weatherby is by far the better looking gun. :twocents: Mark
LOL
Carl
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2009, 01:29:30 PM
i like you, don't get me wrong, but that rifle is butt ugly.
:dunno:
sorry.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 28, 2009, 01:36:32 PM
:)Never said Tikkas were the *censored*, today they are the best buy around and outperform many rifles costing much more, like Weatherbys.
LOL
Carl
Well, you would'nt have been far off, straight *censored*...grin....
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 28, 2009, 01:39:26 PM
Post by: Ray on December 28, 2009, 01:54:23 PM
:)Never said Tikkas were the *censored*, today they are the best buy around and outperform many rifles costing much more, like Weatherbys.
LOL
Carl
The Tikka does not necessarily outperform the Weatherby Vanguard. They both seem to shoot equally straight in my estimation.
Post by: sisu on December 28, 2009, 02:07:24 PM
Tikka T-3 30.06 with cheapest Leo variable scope you can buy. 180 gr at 100 yd. 1 inch high & about one inch+ groups.
Both rifles are relatively inexpensive but shoot well.
That is all you need unless you have deep pockets or get the deal of a life time from someone.
Post by: fishseeker on December 28, 2009, 04:07:38 PM
Post by: grousetracker on December 28, 2009, 04:19:32 PM
Post by: Ray on December 28, 2009, 04:28:09 PM
Ray, 1970 Vangaurd 270 2x7 Redfield. Stock as bought new :chuckle:
It is a nice rifle but not as nice as the Mark V. It obviously does not also have all the same features as the Mark V, the wood looks like a similar stock make. I think you were trying to make a straw man argument that it is as good quality as the Mark V. It isn't.
My statement that I have never seen one like that Mark V is a true statement. It is not a statement that they do not exist. Which could be what you are also trying to make a response to. Which would still not make my statement inacurrate.
Post by: fishseeker on December 28, 2009, 04:46:10 PM
Just saying they can look as good as the Mark V. maybe a little weaker in the action.And for me it and my budget it's a nice gun.Ray, 1970 Vangaurd 270 2x7 Redfield. Stock as bought new :chuckle:
It is a nice rifle but not as nice as the Mark V. It obviously does not also have all the same features as the Mark V, the wood looks like a similar stock make. I think you were trying to make a straw man argument that it is as good quality as the Mark V. It isn't.
This one has less than 3 boxes down the pipe, I've never shot it. Picked it up from a friend for the Misses! Paid $400 as it sits.
Post by: Ray on December 28, 2009, 04:49:00 PM
Currently own one Tikka, One Remington 700 and one Weatherby. The Remington is still the favored rifle for me. Oh and the Weatherby outshoots the other two rifles so far... Not by much on the Tikka though..
Post by: fishseeker on December 28, 2009, 04:57:56 PM
Post by: Ray on December 28, 2009, 05:00:44 PM
Post by: fishseeker on December 28, 2009, 05:08:02 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 28, 2009, 05:29:24 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 28, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
i could see myself buying a howa, though.