Post by: Galpster on December 27, 2009, 06:09:58 PM
Somewhere under $2000
So lets here the ideas.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 27, 2009, 06:22:21 PM
Post by: jdb on December 27, 2009, 06:23:39 PM
Post by: cascademountainhunter on December 27, 2009, 06:23:45 PM
Post by: Jamieb on December 27, 2009, 06:38:15 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 27, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
Post by: denali on December 27, 2009, 06:44:40 PM
here is my choice - 32" barrel - .308 - not available yet :dunno:
Post by: Galpster on December 27, 2009, 06:58:01 PM
A 308 rem is about $1000 for the rifle, then the scope at about $400 for a good Burris, then the perfecting like glasbedding, trigger work.
Am I way off here or what?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 07:01:29 PM
6mmBR, 308win, 30-06, 308Norma, 30-338, 300win.. Any would be fine. Select Win70, Rem, or (Savage action with right hand bolt with left side feed), converted to single shot. Lija test barrel, recessed crown. Timney trigger. Custom wood stock.. No, Not anything out of a box.. Wood or composite. I want a thumb hole stock sized specifically for me with a flat bottom and palm grip, free floated, pillar bedded. Tally rings with some good Luepold glass. Just the components would run more than $2,000 and weigh more than
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not really heavy.Then the machinist/gunsmith costs to assemble it all correctly would run $500 more to get it done right.
That's just because that I like things that are more capable than I am.
But, you'd be surprised at how well a good many off the shelf rifles will do. One that will shoot 1/2moa at 100yds will be worthy of shooting at 1000yds. Learning the dope for shooting that far is also an extremely high value. I've never shot that far, but know some that do on a regular basis. It is quite a skill to aquire to be a successful shooter at those distances.
Good info here: http://demigodllc.com/articles/introduction-to-f-class-1000-yard-competition
A good spottin optic for that range is also highly advantagous.
-Steve
Post by: Red Dawg on December 27, 2009, 07:02:45 PM
Post by: KillBilly on December 27, 2009, 07:04:04 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 07:06:06 PM
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You guys go ahead and figure it out, I already have one.
Oh, you're no fun at all!!!!
OK, I give.. What is it and how well do you shoot with it?
-Steve
Post by: guntard007 on December 27, 2009, 07:09:44 PM
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-target-tactical.aspx
had it bedded and a Nikon it is a bad ass tack driver
Post by: guntard007 on December 27, 2009, 07:11:50 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 27, 2009, 07:20:02 PM
"shooting times western(STW)"
Post by: actionshooter on December 27, 2009, 07:49:32 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 08:01:58 PM
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i'm gonna guess that killbilly's caliber of choice ends in "shooting times western(STW)"
I am a total fan of the 358 Shooting Times Alaskan. -Not for a 1000yd gun, but I'm sure something in 7mm STW would do fine at those ranges.
Then if I supported that, Killbillie and I would be advocates of the dredded belted cartridges that so many of the more recent WSM fans love to hate so much.
-Steve
Post by: shorthair15 on December 27, 2009, 08:14:19 PM
Post by: wadu1 on December 27, 2009, 08:20:48 PM
i'm gonna guess that killbilly's caliber of choice ends innope! .308 win, got ya. While in the Army I shot the M-14 out 1K yards with iron sights and the M-16 out to 1k m with the same. My eyes not being as good as when I was 20, I still feel OK with 500+ with good optics my choice is still .308 or 30-06. I here the .338 Lapua is the cats meow well past 1K yards in the hands of a trained GI to pick off any ground dwelling critters two or four legs.
"shooting times western(STW)"
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 27, 2009, 08:32:25 PM
Post by: Mookie on December 27, 2009, 08:36:16 PM
Caliber cartridge does not count in cost. But I would say a 338 or 6.5x47.
Action - Remington 700 or Savage. Buy it used for $400 on the high side. Dump the stock, barrel and trigger.
For this I will use the 6.5x47 in the prices. It is the top contender for the 1,000 yard matches, recently beating out the .308.
Figure $500 for gunsmithing fees if you cannot do it yourself.
Rem 700
Barrel - Shilen will run you $250-300.
Stock - McMillan A4 $575
Trigger - Jard $125, Jewel $225
Any other small parts, scope mounts, bottom metal, ect figure another $200 or so.
If you want the action trued $130 or so.
Total $1,700 parts only.
Savage 110
Barrel - Douglas $300
Stock - SSS $300, McMillan $575
Trigger - SSS $300 installed, includes truing and timing the action. Rifle Basix $170
Any other small parts $200
Truing the action - $125
Total, $1,500 with the SSS trigger.
For both rifles you can figure in possible gunsmith fees and any other custom items you want.
If you can find these parts used you can knock off 25%.
Post by: danceswitharrows on December 27, 2009, 08:43:07 PM
Then have flames added to the stock and you got a 1000yrd gun :chuckle:
Post by: CastleRocker on December 27, 2009, 09:50:59 PM
338 Edge,Rum, Lapua in that order shootin a 300 grain SMK, then the 300 Berger when it arrives....
Yep! Even though any rifle that will print a legitimate 1/2 moa or better will be capable of shooting a good group at 1000yds. If this rifle is to be used for hunting purposes, it should have enough "power" to make a clean kill at that range.
There are a lot of good cartridges for a 1000yd paper puncher, not so many for an actual 1000yd hunting rifle.
Mr. Shawn Carlock will be building mine in 338 Edge. (Unfortunately, the scope alone is going to cost me more than the 2k mentioned).
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 27, 2009, 09:59:42 PM
I'll have to do mine in steps. Pick up a SPS RUM, part it out, order the stock, have R-Bros put it together for me, in phases. Little easier to get it by the commander that way.....
Post by: robescc on December 27, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Benchmark Barrel in 300 win mag 24" stainless with braek
Saco Extractor
Action blueprinted and squared
Bolt Lugs Lapped
timney trigger 1.5#'s
Bedded in Bell and Carlson Stock
Harris Bipod
Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x50
Burris Extreme Tactical Rings and picatiny rail mount
All under $2000 and best group on paper was a 5 shot .3" at 300 yards. :IBCOOL:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 27, 2009, 10:06:41 PM
Post by: Jamieb on December 27, 2009, 10:13:48 PM
Remm 700 ss action
28" ss #4 Pacnor in 300 RUM
McMillun A-5 in snipper fill
Badger rail & rings
Leupold VX-3, 6.5X20X50 w/M-1's
I'd have Pacnor true the action and chamber/install the barrel
I'f its a rifle that I'll be carrying a lot then
Rem 700 ss action
24" ss #2 Pacnor in 7mm Rem. Mag.
McMillun Classic stock/ standard fill
Talley LW one piece ring/bases
Leupold VX-3, 4.5X14X40 w/M-1's
Again the work done by Pacnor
Post by: elkspert on December 27, 2009, 10:19:33 PM
Post by: norsepeak on December 27, 2009, 10:59:25 PM
169.5 grain Wildcat HP ULD
Custom 700 action trued/blueprinted/pillar bedded
Timney
30" S.S. Lilja, fluted, floated w/brake
Teflon coated thruogh out
Custom CNC laminate stock A-5
4.5-14X50 VX3 with Target knob
Harris Bi-pod
Post by: GrainfedMuley on December 28, 2009, 05:13:02 AM
Post by: robescc on December 28, 2009, 07:10:26 AM
That'll work Rob. How do ya like that scope? I've got a 3200, rain guard is good *censored*!! Wish others would catch on...It is a great scope. I know bushnell gets crap but with this scope you get a lot of bang for your buck. Decent glass, good light gathering. I really like the target turrets because when you turn them the clicks can be felt so you don't have to look at the turrets to adjust them. I have been thinking about getting a custom retical put in it. The crosshairs are a little thick. They cover an egg at 600 yards at full power but hey, I can't complain to much.
I would not suggest a .308 for long range hunting. Go with the 7mm short mag, 7mm/300 short mag, 300 win mag, 338 lapua.
My buddy has a very nice 338 lapua for sale now. I will try to get some pics.
Post by: jjhunter on December 28, 2009, 08:22:55 AM
1) Remington Sendero in any of the 7mm/300 mag calibers. I would probably go with the 7mm RM and shoot 168 Bergers.
2) Savage VLP in 300 WSM. I would shoot the 185 Bergers.
For both rifles, I would use the 6.5x20x50 LR Leupold. Buy a good used one and save some $$. For the Rem, you may be able to get the action blueprinted and bedded and still keep it under 2K if you buy smart. For the savage, you could probably have a smith look at the bedding and true/time the action and keep it under 2K.
If it were me, I would save another year or so and get exactly what you want. My LR rifle was over 4K with optics, but worth every penny.
Post by: KillBilly on December 28, 2009, 08:33:23 AM
i'm gonna guess that killbilly's caliber of choice ends in
"shooting times western(STW)"
:)
And anybody owning a RUM has one also. In fact, I also own a .308 that will handle 600 to 1000 yds quite handily.
Post by: KillBilly on December 28, 2009, 08:41:28 AM
Can't claim 1000 yard gun until you have a 1000 yard taget (thats been used). :chuckle:
And therein lies the issue. What you guys should be doing is building a 1000 yard Range so we can shoot our 1000 yd. guns and show you the targets. It is a fact that many members here are shooting 1000 yard capable rifles today but don't have a place to shoot and test their loads.
So ActionShooter and JackofallTrades can buy the property and we'll all help build the range and we can call it Steves Place.... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2009, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: 509er on December 28, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
i think there's a whole lot more to shooting 1000 yards than the rifle.
:yeah:
Here is one that would be capable in the hands of a capable shooter.
Post by: jaymark6655 on December 28, 2009, 09:14:31 AM
i think there's a whole lot more to shooting 1000 yards than the rifle.I agree. Off the self ammo never seemed to be accurate enough. You need to hand load and figure out what the rifle likes to shoot.
Here is what I use. .308 Remington 700 VTR (the one with the triangle barrel, not sure yeah it was built that way). I pulled it apart and removes some tabs that were touching the barrel, then glass bed the action so the the barrel is free floating when the screws are tightened down. For my scope I use a Leapers True Strength 6-24X 50mm scope. It is cheap stays zeroed, I like the turrents that it uses and the mil-dot system. That cost me about $700. Then I picked up a Lees Reloading press and dies for a little over $100. I used a Harris bipod that I had left over from a rifle that I sold over ten years ago. For a range I just go to public lands that allow it and have enough space. Spend the rest of the money on powder and bullets. I havent made a 1000 yard cold bore shot yet, but I can hit the target on the second or third shot if I can figure out where the first round went. I wouldn't try hunting anything at that distance with a .308, saving money for a .338 Lapua Mag. :drool:
Post by: runamuk on December 28, 2009, 09:26:17 AM
Can't claim 1000 yard gun until you have a 1000 yard taget (thats been used). :chuckle:
And therein lies the issue. What you guys should be doing is building a 1000 yard Range so we can shoot our 1000 yd. guns and show you the targets. It is a fact that many members here are shooting 1000 yard capable rifles today but don't have a place to shoot and test their loads.
So ActionShooter and JackofallTrades can buy the property and we'll all help build the range and we can call it Steves Place.... :chuckle: :chuckle:
I'll help that would be cool...and Steve's place :chuckle: thats cute ;)
Post by: Huntbear on December 28, 2009, 09:31:41 AM
Post by: KillBilly on December 28, 2009, 09:32:24 AM
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So far it shoots same hole at 100 yds. I am going to Ft. Lewis next Sat. morning to get in some 300 yd, shooting.
Post by: runamuk on December 28, 2009, 09:36:20 AM
Ok, since my buddy WADU1 (Greg ) brought this up, I'll go ahead and show. Josh was correct about my STW but he didn't know about my .308. Here is a couple of pics.
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So far it shoots same hole at 100 yds. I am going to Ft. Lewis next Sat. morning to get in some 300 yd, shooting.
oh wow it looks good ......sweet....
Post by: rasbo on December 28, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
Post by: Stalker on December 28, 2009, 10:44:49 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=151780758
Post by: BrushChimp on December 28, 2009, 10:55:52 AM
Post by: Alchase on December 28, 2009, 10:57:38 AM
http://www.sako.fi/sakotrgmodels.php?trg42
or what Guntard007 posted, why reinvent the wheel if you do not have to.
Then mount this
http://mcmillanusa.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=104
Post by: ing on December 28, 2009, 11:49:03 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 28, 2009, 12:09:16 PM
Post by: elkspert on December 28, 2009, 05:12:49 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 28, 2009, 05:32:08 PM
Can't claim 1000 yard gun until you have a 1000 yard Target (that's been used). :chuckle:
And therein lies the issue. What you guys should be doing is building a 1000 yard Range so we can shoot our 1000 yd. guns and show you the targets. It is a fact that many members here are shooting 1000 yard capable rifles today but don't have a place to shoot and test their loads.
So ActionShooter and JackofallTrades can buy the property and we'll all help build the range and we can call it Steves Place.... :chuckle: :chuckle:
I'd love to build a range. Guaranteed, If I ever won the big one, I would build a range. :chuckle:
Wasn't trying to bust anyones balls. I've seen a hundred guys claim to have a 1000yd gun, but maybe 5 of them have actually shot over 700. :dunno: Theres a lot more to it that the gun and scope.
I can take my 30-30 and call it a 1000 yard gun cause I can hit a 12'x12' square, but is it a true 1000yd gun, I think not. ;)
I would like some input from guys who actually do this on a regular basis. Whats everyone consider a good group at 1000? Is MOA to a 1000 good enough? Whats the best scope set up, turrets or custom reticles (mildots)?
I see some guys recomending factory(out of the box) rifles without any or minimal work done to them, Just slap a big scope on it. I don't see it. :P
I have a Rem Sendero in .300WM with a VX3 4.5-14 on it. As it is, its a pretty good shooter. I in no way consider it a contender for a true 1000yd rig (yet). Just trying to maintain good groups at 500yd (consistently) can be very humbling. :chuckle:
Just my opinion though
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2009, 05:35:01 PM
longrange7mm i think....who hunts with the best of the west guys...maybe he should chime in here.
Post by: norsepeak on December 28, 2009, 05:53:46 PM
just my :twocents:
Post by: KillBilly on December 28, 2009, 06:04:11 PM
the gunwerks guns are good guns, but boy are they exspensive! We have a place to shoot that we can get 1200 yards down to 300 pretty easy, so we shoot there a few times a year for the LR stuff. We shoot either milk jugs or I made a 1000 yard gong. It's basically a 1/2 steel plate that hangs from a frame. There is way more to shooting that far than just the rifle, but the rifle is a big part obviously. Once you get your rifle (whatever caliber etc.) dialed in and you can shoot it well, then start expanding your distances. IMHO, shooting over 1k for fun, then 2 MOA is great, but if you plan on shooting an animal, then you better be able to CONSISTENTLY hit MOA or better. Keep in mind that MOA at 1k is 10.47 inches, so you can see that it wouldn't be hard to miss a deer/elk or make a poor shot and wound an animal. That being said I don't think it's an ethical shot. There are too many external factors for me to shoot an animal that far. But for target shooting, it's a ton of fun to shoot 1K+ and most rifles are capable of shooting that far fairly well.
just my :twocents:
No argument with your words here... however, words don't make 1000 yd. ranges appear like magic. There just aren't available to most of us.
Post by: actionshooter on December 28, 2009, 06:12:18 PM
the gunwerks guns are good guns, but boy are they exspensive! We have a place to shoot that we can get 1200 yards down to 300 pretty easy, so we shoot there a few times a year for the LR stuff. We shoot either milk jugs or I made a 1000 yard gong. It's basically a 1/2 steel plate that hangs from a frame. There is way more to shooting that far than just the rifle, but the rifle is a big part obviously. Once you get your rifle (whatever caliber etc.) dialed in and you can shoot it well, then start expanding your distances. IMHO, shooting over 1k for fun, then 2 MOA is great, but if you plan on shooting an animal, then you better be able to CONSISTENTLY hit MOA or better. Keep in mind that MOA at 1k is 10.47 inches, so you can see that it wouldn't be hard to miss a deer/elk or make a poor shot and wound an animal. That being said I don't think it's an ethical shot. There are too many external factors for me to shoot an animal that far. But for target shooting, it's a ton of fun to shoot 1K+ and most rifles are capable of shooting that far fairly well.
just my :twocents:
No argument with your words here... however, words don't make 1000 yd. ranges appear like magic. There just aren't available to most of us.
There are a couple places on national forest I have found that would work (safely) but I'm pretty sure I would get run off by the rangers if we were seen. Its not illegal but they sure frown on it.
Post by: KillBilly on December 28, 2009, 06:41:49 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 28, 2009, 06:52:16 PM
I would NEVER attempt to shoot 1000 yds or even in a national forest or Any other open to the public land. Considering a bullet doesn't stop at 1000 yds. there is no way to tell where it would end up or where foot, horse, or quad trails are. Worst idea I have ever heard of. Shooting activities need to be carried out in the most controlled environment. :bdid:
you can't say that if you haven't seen where I'm talking about! Like I said its a safe spot. Just b/c YOU said YOU wouldn't do doesn't mean its unsafe!
Post by: KillBilly on December 28, 2009, 07:08:55 PM
No problem buddy, jusy my opinion
Post by: actionshooter on December 28, 2009, 07:18:58 PM
:hello:
Post by: Jethro on December 28, 2009, 07:44:48 PM
jethro...
Post by: Mookie on December 28, 2009, 07:45:59 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on December 29, 2009, 04:46:38 AM
Post by: robescc on December 29, 2009, 06:29:22 AM
Post by: longrange7mm on December 29, 2009, 10:24:53 AM
Post by: longrange7mm on December 29, 2009, 10:56:56 AM
Remington SPS 7mm 9 1/4 twist 26" barrel.................... $639.00
Timney 510 trigger w/safety 1.5 - 4 lbs ..................... $124.95
Talley 30mm High Fixed Rings ..................................... $70.99
Huskemaw LR 5-20 ................................................... $1149.00
Score High Pro-Bed 2000 8oz ..................................... $24.99
TOTAL ................................................................... $2008.93
"this was cheaper last year, they raised some prices since then" :chuckle:
This is a 3" group that i shot with this same setup at 1001 yds, we assembled this rifle for my dad. except we had a jewell trigger Thats $228. The shotgun shell is a 6 shot 2 3/4"
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
Post by: longrange7mm on December 29, 2009, 11:07:48 AM
$1149.00 for a set of rings?your on it jackelope i posted before proof reading :chuckle: no its more accurate :chuckle:
Post by: longrange7mm on December 29, 2009, 11:14:15 AM
Post by: wildebeast on December 29, 2009, 01:23:27 PM
Open sites marked out to 1000 yards for $1550. Used as a snipper rifle during the Civil War.
This would still be great for hunting.
cliff
I practice shooting out to 2000 yard with my blackpowder cannon and know it would kill anything I could hit farther out. Just need the animal to stand in the same spot for a while ... or just untill the 2.5 inch lead ball gets there, which isn't very long.
Post by: Mookie on December 29, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
A 50 BMG is good for traget practice at 1,000 yards. Or if you are a military sniper. Way to big for a hunting rifle. Besides, think of the damage that would be done to any animal that got hit with a 50 BMG at any range. Not alot of meat left....... :dunno:Sorry, I never read where hunting would be done. Besides, if the proper bullet is used the meat damage would be minimal. Not a lot different than using a 50 cal black powder at short range, in and out.
Post by: addicted on December 29, 2009, 02:09:37 PM
Post by: high country on December 30, 2009, 08:54:33 AM
mine is a 700 trued with a 29" broughton 5c, mc swirly, williams bottom, seekins R&B, 4.5-14 mark 3 and it spits a 142 SMK at 2990fps every single time.
I had more time into getting a bal chart worked up then building a rifle. I have never been so fortunate as to have a program work out of the box for me.
we shoot public land often. here you can see for 10 miles, find a good ridge to shoot into and go for a drive. clay pigeons are a favorite for their reactiveness.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 30, 2009, 12:13:40 PM