Post by: Blacklab on December 30, 2009, 03:31:47 PM
Post by: MAGhunter on December 30, 2009, 03:37:12 PM
Dear Washington Angler,
Licenses for the 2010 license year (April 2010 - March 2011) will be available for purchase beginning December 1, 2009.
In April 2009, the Washington State Legislature passed into law the requirement beginning April 1, 2010, that any person 15 or older wishing to fish for salmon or steelhead on the Columbia River or its tributaries must have a Columbia River Salmon and Steelhead endorsement in addition to their fishing license. The cost of the endorsement is $8.75 (all fees included) and can be purchased at a license dealer or online (https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov ). The endorsement is good for the license year. Revenue from the endorsement will be dedicated to supporting salmon and steelhead fisheries in those areas.
For more information about the Columbia River Salmon and Steelhead endorsement and to view a map that shows where the endorsement is required, please visit http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/crss_endorsement/
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
Post by: tomy salami on December 30, 2009, 04:47:42 PM
Just bought bro inlaw a fresh water license a gift for Bday 12/31 for 2010. They added a new charge for salmon fishing in the Columbia an it's tributaries. I for got what they'd called it but the new licenses cost $34.75.
The services we receive from the purchase of licenses is the worst value per dollar a sportsman can pay.
The mismanagement, the closing of hatcheries, the lack of enforcement in crowded fisheries, the lack of opportunity, and the lack of quality are enough to make a guy nauseous.
We get ripped off every year, while the state panders to the commercial and tribal fishermen.
Someday, I envision a mass act of civil disobedience, where we all refuse to buy licenses. Let them come and catch us, until they start giving us real value for the money we spend.
Licenses, tags, fees, permits, launch fees, ALL are forms of TAX..........and I thought taxation without representation was a no no.
Post by: rougheye on December 30, 2009, 04:51:35 PM
By the way its going to be ANOTHER record run this year . Hurry go buy your licence :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Just bought bro inlaw a fresh water license a gift for Bday 12/31 for 2010. They added a new charge for salmon fishing in the Columbia an it's tributaries. I for got what they'd called it but the new licenses cost $34.75.
The services we receive from the purchase of licenses is the worst value per dollar a sportsman can pay.
The mismanagement, the closing of hatcheries, the lack of enforcement in crowded fisheries, the lack of opportunity, and the lack of quality are enough to make a guy nauseous.
We get ripped off every year, while the state panders to the commercial and tribal fishermen.
Someday, I envision a mass act of civil disobedience, where we all refuse to buy licenses. Let them come and catch us, until they start giving us real value for the money we spend.
Licenses, tags, fees, permits, launch fees, ALL are forms of TAX..........and I thought taxation without representation was a no no.
Post by: grousetracker on December 30, 2009, 04:54:03 PM
Post by: tomy salami on December 30, 2009, 04:57:30 PM
A record number of pinks show up, and they want to keep all the newbies on the wagon. Keep the $$ flowin, just to give us some flaccid excuse of why they did not show up.
............I had better git me one of dem dare lisenses. Freezer gonna be out of pink and chum fillets by springer season.
Post by: tomy salami on December 30, 2009, 04:59:40 PM
Guy fishes for three years, stays away from the limited number of Walter Wardens, and he will be $$ ahead.
Civil Disobedience? ............I'm in.
Post by: cohoho on December 30, 2009, 11:18:12 PM
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If it stays within F & G, I don't have too much of a problem with it... But the prices for launches come on, they are the best I have ever seen anywhere and most are pretty darn nice too. Go visit Alaska and launch a boat, you'll appreciate the $2.00- $5.00 here for sure. A couple we had there ,The Deshka Landing cost 27 bucks to launch a boat, Seward and Whittier were around 20-25 also. Besides that there are launches almost everywhere also. I think Washington and Oregon do a great job on launches and are about the friendliest boating state and someone has to cover the cost of up keep.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 30, 2009, 11:35:39 PM
the thing that really pisses me off is the garbage paper they print the licenses and parking permits on. they used to be printed on tyvek and were pretty much indestructable. now they're printed on the same stuff that your receipt from mcdonalds is. they say "use a ball point pen only" but you're lucky if you can get one to write on that paper. i bet if i pulled out my punch card today, i couldn't make out what i've got written on it, much less a game warden or a state bean counter!
don't get me started on the parking permits either...supposedly they were put in place to make sure that those who weren't hunting or fishing paid for wdfw area access. of course, the only time they're patrolled is during hunting and fishing seasons, and the only guys that get popped are the ones that forget to put that stupid permit up on their dash!
Post by: tomy salami on December 31, 2009, 04:16:40 AM
Alaska, Canada, and California all have better game management than WA. From what I have seen, Oregon, is sort of like WA.....can't comment about them.
We get ripped off, lied to, and given so little for the money we collectively pay. A license does not break most guys banks, especially when we got so much $$ into rigs/boats/gear. It sure is insulting though, when we are such a huge cog in the machine.
Until the state realizes what an economic force sportsmen really are, they will continue giving commercials/tribes courtesy reach arounds.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 31, 2009, 08:13:17 AM
Post by: cohoho on December 31, 2009, 08:36:39 AM
Post by: tomy salami on December 31, 2009, 10:21:16 PM
I seriously am considering going back to not buying a license till they catch me. Where I fish, WDFW rarely visits, let alone provides any services there. Do they deserve to be paid for just about nothing?
If I do it for 3 years, I will have covered the ticket.
Post by: cohoho on January 01, 2010, 01:04:31 AM
I am not sure the groups who try to get everyone to chip in their $25 do any good..........seems like same same politics to me.
I seriously am considering going back to not buying a license till they catch me. Where I fish, WDFW rarely visits, let alone provides any services there. Do they deserve to be paid for just about nothing?
If I do it for 3 years, I will have covered the ticket.
Probably isn't the best approach to it. From some of your posts your about gear and I bet every rod you got cost more than the fishing license for the year, right? Yes, in regards to the Gamies, they deserve to be paid. If your ever in accident who do you think will be there to assist and help you to safety. With all the people that go totally unprepared a huge part of their budget no doubt goes towards missions like this and takes away from active patrols. Gamies are no different than and other first responders doing their assigned job. If the section manager decides he/she needs more enforcement in X spot, well they patrol that area more actively. Sounds like you got a nice quiet spot, but come on go spend the money and get your license and show us some pictures of the fish legally....
Post by: fishseeker on January 01, 2010, 07:58:49 AM
I am not sure the groups who try to get everyone to chip in their $25 do any good..........seems like same same politics to me.So you condone Poaching! Thats what you would be doing. No different than snagging,over limit,out of season. That lic. costs very little compared to the bennys you get from it. Those guys that are asking for the $25 ARE trying to make things better and thing would be alot wrose without them. And WDFW is where you fish. Every fish you get is there thanks to them! Just buy the damned lic. and quit whinning and go fishing! From an old fart!!! :bash:
I seriously am considering going back to not buying a license till they catch me. Where I fish, WDFW rarely visits, let alone provides any services there. Do they deserve to be paid for just about nothing?
If I do it for 3 years, I will have covered the ticket.
Post by: Special T on January 01, 2010, 08:32:51 AM
Post by: tomy salami on January 01, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
No I do not condone poaching. I have more respect for steelhead, especially the wild ones than you could imagine. A wild steelhead has never got the lazy boy treatment from me.
Where I do most of my fishing, WDFW is rarely seen, operates zero hatcheries, and is a non factor. Doubt they will be savin my hiney if the fecal matter hits the fan.
Seems like I do have more money than Davey Crockett in gear. Just like thousands of other guys. So, when is the state going to treat us like the money machine we are, instead of making us suck hind titty? I would be nice to thumb the old nose right back at them.
The only way I have seen average guys win against any large operation (govt,company) is to take the $$ away. They all start listening real good when that happens. Writting letters, joining goups, fund raising, and working in a political fashion are all first line strategies. Taking money away from a govt operation, is probably the last resort, but if enough people do it, results will come fast.
Post by: fishseeker on January 01, 2010, 10:59:58 AM
I have not fished for Steel in 6 years for one reason or another. Have bought a lic. every year. Found time to fish for trout a couple times! If the crick you fish has ANY brats in it you can thank WDFW for them. They would not be there without them. Is WDFW ran right, Hell no, Can it be changed, Hell yes! Takes getting laws changed to reverse things that have been done. Takes putting YOUR voice in getting things changed. Not going on a forum and telling people to start Poaching. :bdid:
Post by: MIKEXRAY on January 01, 2010, 05:50:55 PM
Post by: kbyers on January 01, 2010, 08:28:08 PM
Resident Non Res
California 41.50, 111.85
Oregon 33.00, 106.25
Idaho 25.75, 98.25
Alaska 24.00, 145.00 Salmon stamp-10.00, non resident annual stamp- 100.00
Washington 46.20 (freshwater 24.00 saltwater 22.20), 91.80 (freshwater 48.00 saltwater 43.80) plus 8.25 for the Columbia river endorsement
As you can see Washington is the highest for residents to fish and the lowest for non residents to come fish, because we have such great opportunity ;)
I talked to a fish checker at Ringold in November and learned a lot about the hatchery steelhead on the Columbia. Each year the WDFW buys 200,000 smolt and project a return of 2% of those smolt. Also they loose an estimated 500 fish per day from the rearing ponds due to predation from birds. When ask why a net isn't put up he said that there is no money in the budget for one. He also said that the ponds are large enough that the net would need to be "engineered" and that it would also be a union job. Not to knock the unions, but let's face it, they tend to drive up the cost of the job. So basically a net, like one at an outdoor batting cage, would potentially increase steelhead returns by 10 fish per day(2% of the 500 fish lost per day to birds).
I personally have no problem paying the 8 bucks to have the opportunity to salmon fish the Columbia, if the $8 that I pay and that my buddies pay, and that all of you pay, goes back into the fishery. Not trout for the tucannon, not a boat ramp on the Skagit, and certainly not to fund the welfare check that someone who is too lazy to get off their a$$ and earn their money receives. But when you live in a state in which all the revenue that comes in goes into a general fund and then is passed out from there, I find it hard to believe that the money that is paid by sportsmen goes back into funding programs for those individuals.
I apologize for the length of my rant, but when I feel like I am being shafted, it really bothers me. I hope everyone had a merry Christmas and a happy New Year 8)
Post by: tomy salami on January 01, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Just because a guy can afford a license, does not mean it is a value for the $$. If licenses go up in price, and I can actually see the improvement in the quality and quantity of fishing opportunities, I would be happy to pay it.
Sadly, this is not the case.
Post by: Thehowler on January 02, 2010, 01:02:08 AM
Post by: MIKEXRAY on January 02, 2010, 06:24:05 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 02, 2010, 08:03:16 AM
Post by: tomy salami on January 02, 2010, 10:42:40 AM
Post by: MIKEXRAY on January 02, 2010, 03:59:21 PM
Post by: tomy salami on January 02, 2010, 06:47:46 PM
Gonna stop payin the bastids. No more fishing waters that require their tariff.
Still gonna do just as good as I always do, less a spot or two that I slum when the everything is punched.
I can only wish the same tactic could be pulled with my property taxes.
Surly, my tiny bit of $$ is not gonna change nothing. But my conscience will rest better.
Post by: walt on January 02, 2010, 07:00:11 PM
Post by: Special T on January 02, 2010, 07:14:43 PM
Post by: walt on January 02, 2010, 07:20:26 PM
Post by: tomy salami on January 02, 2010, 07:21:28 PM
Look up your National Park regulations. Cut WDFW out of the mix.
If I was to get an out of state license, Canada would trump any other of the surrounding opportunities.
Post by: Galpster on January 02, 2010, 07:29:32 PM
When is enough enough. I think we need a form of th boston tea party.
IT IS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.
Post by: tomy salami on January 02, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on January 02, 2010, 07:44:36 PM
Licenses, tags, fees, permits, launch fees, ALL are forms of TAX..........and I thought taxation without representation was a no no.sounds like you need to do a little research into what "taxation without representation" is.
When is enough enough. I think we need a form of th boston tea party.
IT IS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.
Post by: walt on January 02, 2010, 07:45:40 PM
Post by: tomy salami on January 02, 2010, 07:54:52 PM
$35 still seems like a good deal to me. I spent twice that last night and all I got was a hangover. Idaho now requires all boats to have an "invasive species" sticker $5-$20 a year depending on the size of your boat. I'm guessing we will see that one too in the next few years.
Spendin that much on a hangover, still put all of the money you spend to use...........Take into consideration, that if you add up all the fisherman's $$ they spend on licenses, and then figger out how much they actually spend on the guys payin the bills.....tell me it all makes it back to us, and in an efficient manner.
License price goes up, hatchery plants go down..........hmmmm.
All the while, the commercials and tribes got our state over a barrel.
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 02, 2010, 08:00:42 PM
Post by: Galpster on January 02, 2010, 11:18:22 PM
It means, 'We will only pay taxes that our representatives in a House or Assembly [or similar body] have approved and passed into a law.
The slogan was used by the American revolutionaries and meant they weren't willing to pay taxes imposed by the British House of Commons - as they were not represented there.
Same thing with or WDFW, I am not being represented there!!
Post by: tomy salami on January 03, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 04, 2010, 01:25:30 PM
So let me get this right, you are going to continue fishing "in areas the WDFW does not go" but not buy a licence?
If that is what you are saying? Are you saying you are going to poach? If your answer is "yes",
Then I would ask the mods to lock this thread for promoting illeagle activity.
If your answer is "no" and I am mistaken then I would ask that you explain yourself so I can understand you better?
I would hope your answer is "no" there is some good info in this thread that does not need to tied to poaching.
Post by: tomy salami on January 04, 2010, 01:35:32 PM
So let me get this right, you are going to continue fishing "in areas the WDFW does not go" but not buy a licence?
If that is what you are saying? Are you saying you are going to poach? If your answer is "yes",
Then I would ask the mods to lock this thread for promoting illeagle activity.
If your answer is "no" and I am mistaken then I would ask that you explain yourself so I can understand you better?
I would hope your answer is "no" there is some good info in this thread that does not need to tied to poaching.
You got it exactly right..........that is exactly what I am going to do.
Do you homework, and read the National Park Regs, before gittin all high and mighty.
And I still won't be poachin to boot.
Post by: Alchase on January 04, 2010, 02:15:21 PM
It was not clear to me from your previous posts, though Fishseeker asked you outright.
I apologize if my post came a crossed "all high and mighty" as you say. That was not my intent. It has been made very clear here on this forum that illeagle activity shall not be condoned or allowed. Maybe both of us could use some home work.
I am very familiar with the national Parks and their regs.
Fish on.