Post by: bankwalker on January 15, 2008, 04:19:34 PM
im looking to get one and build a little range gun/varmint gun. but i wouldnt mind using it for coyotes IF it will get the job done.
also if you got a cool 10/22 post up some pics.
thanks
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 15, 2008, 04:22:03 PM
Post by: mossback91 on January 15, 2008, 04:24:58 PM
Post by: bankwalker on January 15, 2008, 04:25:36 PM
but i dont want to shoot it and not kill it...even if it is only a coyote.
Post by: bankwalker on January 15, 2008, 04:27:19 PM
i put 50rounds through on half dollar size hole at 25yds with open sights. and it made me want one lol...that was the first time shooting open sights in about 3 years so i was stoked.
Post by: russ on January 15, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: Ray on January 15, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
Post by: 50CalJim on January 15, 2008, 09:15:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 15, 2008, 09:16:51 PM
great for a "fun gun" but not great to kill yotes with.
Post by: bankwalker on January 15, 2008, 09:43:36 PM
i just want one for camping so i have something to do when not hunting...and something for the girls to shoot when im shooting the big toys :)
not to mentions it also gives a great break when at the range and you dont feel like putting 300 rounds through your handgun lol.
we shot 1000 rounds in 2 hours through my buddies the other night. it was a blast and you get a good little compitition going when ammo is that cheap.
Post by: ICEMAN on January 16, 2008, 06:22:15 AM
Post by: bankwalker on January 16, 2008, 03:59:19 PM
we didnt stop till we were out of ammo :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: lol
it was great. he got a new barrel for it so he didnt care about the barrel that was on it. some guy told us that putting that many rounds through it that fast would mess it up...so my buddie had to see for hiself.
Post by: GoldTip on January 16, 2008, 04:06:49 PM
Post by: bankwalker on January 16, 2008, 04:37:15 PM
I've owned several 10/22's, and they have all been very accurate. Have shot one coyote with one, much like you said, out shooting gophers and happened upon a coyote. Killed him dead at about 30 yards with a lung shot, ran maybe 30 yards. I've seen several lung shot deer with 22's at up to a hundred yards go less than 10 feet as well. Out to a 100 yards, I'd use it on a coyote, but there are many better guns. This coming weekend gonna try calling some yotes and will be packing my Marlin in 22mag for closer shots and my 25-06 if I have to reach out and touch something. That 22mag I'll use for out to 150 yards, but it is quite a bit more gun than a standard 22lr.
yeah i was checking out the 22mag rounds. is there anything mods to make 10/22's shoot the 22mag?
that would be sweet if there was...
Post by: Skycruiser on January 16, 2008, 05:15:03 PM
I think if you're going to hunt them, a centerfire or shotgun is minimum.
Post by: bankwalker on January 16, 2008, 05:32:56 PM
even though its a coyote i would still hate to wound one and not find it...
but if im out shooting rage rats and one happens to walk by within range...i wouldnt mind taking a shot at it. BUT idk if a 22 is really good to hunt them with. thats why i asked if anyone hunts them with one.
really a 22-250 bullet is not much bigger then a 22lr...thats why i was wondering...
Post by: MuleySniper on January 16, 2008, 07:36:52 PM
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Post by: mossback91 on January 16, 2008, 07:42:21 PM
Post by: mossback91 on January 16, 2008, 08:03:28 PM
Post by: bankwalker on January 16, 2008, 08:08:48 PM
i also agree on spending $500+ on a 22lr is a bit much. but man they are fun to shoot and really accurate when you take the time to build them right.
ill buy a 22-250 or 223 when and if i decide to hunt coyotes and animals of equal size.
Post by: russ on January 16, 2008, 08:23:41 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 16, 2008, 08:28:24 PM
Post by: Antlershed on January 16, 2008, 08:50:18 PM
Post by: bankwalker on January 16, 2008, 11:09:51 PM
I've thought about tricking out my 10/22 but then I can never justify the money. I guess I don't see the need for the bull barrel on a .22. I would much rather shoot my .17 even if it is more $$ to shoot.
yeah thats been the one reason that has stopped me from getting one in the past...cause if i get one i will have to trick it out.
Post by: bowhuntin on January 17, 2008, 02:05:55 AM
Post by: GoldTip on January 17, 2008, 02:39:56 PM
As far as being able to trick out a standard 22lr to shoot 22mag rounds, it's not possible, far as I know. Totally different length of action. There quite a bit more wallop to a 22mag than the 22lr. But if given the chance, I'd shoot a coyote quite readily with a 22lr if he was under a 100yards. Many people don't realize just how deadly a 22lr can be, it certainly would not be unethical to shoot a coyote with one, and I doubt the validity of the claim that you'd only find 1/3 of the ones you hit. Unless of course your taking a Texas heart shot.
Post by: bankwalker on January 17, 2008, 03:00:54 PM
Bowhuntin, I've never really liked the banana clips either, just never had very good luck with them. They seem to jam about every other loading it seems to me.
As far as being able to trick out a standard 22lr to shoot 22mag rounds, it's not possible, far as I know. Totally different length of action. There quite a bit more wallop to a 22mag than the 22lr. But if given the chance, I'd shoot a coyote quite readily with a 22lr if he was under a 100yards. Many people don't realize just how deadly a 22lr can be, it certainly would not be unethical to shoot a coyote with one, and I doubt the validity of the claim that you'd only find 1/3 of the ones you hit. Unless of course your taking a Texas heart shot.
i see on rugers site they make 10/22magnum...is that the actual 22mag round?
Post by: GoldTip on January 17, 2008, 04:10:20 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 17, 2008, 05:42:32 PM
Post by: actionshooter on January 17, 2008, 06:36:23 PM
it is possible to do a 10/22 to .17 conversion, which would be neat, but you could also just buy a .17 for the same price as what it takes to convert one.Ya you can I think you just need to buy another barrel, same mags.
Post by: jackelope on January 17, 2008, 06:41:30 PM
http://www.eabco.com/hornady17hm2.html
it's a must in order for it to be reliably safe.
Post by: actionshooter on January 17, 2008, 06:47:58 PM
Post by: bankwalker on January 17, 2008, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: dbllunger on January 17, 2008, 11:30:54 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 18, 2008, 07:47:25 PM
The 17 may be faster but the bullet is lighter. I would think a barrel switch only would work just fine. Kind of like a 40/357 Sig.
alls i know is what i read...
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: The 17 Hornady Mach 2 (HM2) is a 17 caliber version of the 22 LR rimfire cartridge. It shoots a heck of a lot faster and flatter, however (click Data at left). The blow-back semi-automatic Ruger 10/22 needs more bolt mass to time its fire, eject, and rechamber cycle to work right with this faster shooting 17 HM2 round... Merely installing a 17 HM2 barrel is not sufficient. Our 17 HM2 Heavy Bolt Handle Assembly adds the necessary mass... a simple, elegant solution.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj139%2FBAILEYDAD%2F17HM201.gif&hash=8f6a7c4c1efe58d5b95547f81199c1568df62b02)
Post by: bankwalker on January 18, 2008, 10:36:09 PM
Post by: high country on January 19, 2008, 08:01:58 AM
I would 100% shoot a coyote with a 22lr just watch the range. most every trapper alive carries a 22lr for killing trapped critters.
I have a pretty decked out 10/22 it sports a bull barrel and a snazzy stock. in all honesty it is not much if any more accurate then it was when new......looks cool, but to do it over I would put a bdc scope on it for even money and leave the rifle stock. there is a lot of room to improve the trigger....I would spend that money.
when I hunt with my 10/22 I use only ruger 10rd mags. they are reliable as the sunrise and don't get hung up on stuff.
Post by: LEN on January 25, 2008, 08:10:26 PM
I have several cost $500 LOL how about $200 for a jard trigger $200 for the barrel $80 for the bolt squared and another $225 for the stock, got the action yet. Then ya gotta scope it.
17M2 conversion, did it for the wife, she likes to go bang bang bang and no bolt. And yes you need the weighted bolt or you WILL get a out of battery case split that will take fingers off and blow the mag out.
Yes if you are a tool man you can make a 10-22 into a combo 22LR, 17M2, 22 mag and 17HMR worth it most likely not.
Yes their is a 10-22 mag but it is out of production and getting costly, like a used one for around $600.
As to the 1/2" at 100 yards with the 10-22 even a very tricked out one I call BS, close to MOA with the right run of ammo maybe.
Are they fun to shoot YUP but on Yotes MMMMMMMMmmm if it's the only thing and I would limit to under 50 yards and perfect shot with HVHP. JMO
IF you want to learn about 10-22's and how to Jazz them up look at Rimfire central and read to your eyes fall out.
LEN
Post by: Bscman on January 26, 2008, 11:03:01 AM
That is past tense. It is no longer made. They are selling *used* online for $500-600. The later models have serious issues with the bolts cracking. That plus lack of sales caused it's demise. The early (single extractor) models are great.
Yes, you can convert a 10/22 to .17HM2 or the 10/22MAGNUM to .17HMR.
HOWEVER, it is not as simple as just swapping the barrel. These are blowback rifles, and the .17's have a lot more oomph (and pressure). If you don't stiffen the recoil springs or add weight to the bolt, you will take the action out of time and will experience case ruptures.
There are kits out there that include extra-heavy bolt handles to take care of said problem CCI is now labeling their 17HM2 with a warning that it is only to be fired out of rifles originally chambered for 17HM2.
There have been several instances of people getting injured for incorrectly re-chambering their 10/22s....do it right, or risk injury!
Than being said, I don't think 22lr is a good choice for Coyotes. With the right loads (velociters, interceptors, or other HYPER velocity solids) you *might* get away with it at close range--but your success rate will be minimal.
The HMR is a better choice for sure, but I still don't feel confident in it's abilities on coyote size game--keep it to head shots only, IMHO. I don't think I'd even attempt a 'yote with my HMR.
The 22mag seems to work okay for me....I wouldn't take my 22mag out specifically to hunt coyotes, but I wouldn't pass up a good shot within 75yds or so if the opportunity arose. The new 30gr +V's for the 22mag are very accurate, pretty flat shooting, and have about 50ftlbs more energy that the HMR. Along with the heavier bullet (30grs @ 2,200fps vs. the HMRs 20grs @ 2,375fps) and a larger wound channel, I think the 22mag is the smarter choice. I still try for head/neck shots.
Again, any time I walk out the door knowing full well I'm calling coyotes I have a centerfire in my hand...it works better, and I feel much better about it. Besides, .223 is as cheap to reload as quality HMR or WMR rounds are to purchase....so it just makes sense!
Post by: catwithboost on January 27, 2008, 09:12:53 PM
Post by: Bscman on January 28, 2008, 11:35:49 AM
I just got a 10/22 nd looked at cabela's site and they make a 60 grain 22lr.
Most 22lr's wont stabilize that bullet well. Most people complain of key-holing at longer distances--myself included. None of my 22lr's will shoot the 60grain SSS's worth a darn. Aren't worth the extra $$$ IMHO. You're better off with something like a velocitor or interceptor (HYPER velocity 40grain).
Also, FWIW, there are dozens of places to buy rimfire ammo cheaper than Cabelas. ;)
Post by: Bofire on January 28, 2008, 05:27:14 PM
dead in the chest at 50 yards. it kinda hopped and trotted off. I killed it about 6 months later (with a 223) and found the bullet, penetrated about 1/2 inch. now, before ya start in on me, I killed several deer as a child in a very poor farm area, 0ver 40 years ago.
I am not saying you cant kill a coyote with a 22. but you better have the best set up, best shot and animal position. and you are still gonna wound and lose 75-80 percent in my opinion. I would never even consider it, and would not hunt with someone doing it.
my 2 cents
Carl
Post by: dbllunger on January 28, 2008, 05:32:50 PM
Post by: mossback91 on January 28, 2008, 07:04:18 PM
Bofire...Why would a Pump 22 be less powerful then a 10/22? They shoot the same cartridge.Because you cant pull the trigger and fill them with lead as fast as you can with a 10/22.