Post by: jwroberts on January 01, 2010, 09:00:54 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 01, 2010, 09:08:56 PM
Post by: jwroberts on January 01, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
Post by: coop2424 on January 01, 2010, 11:24:39 PM
Post by: bow4elk on January 02, 2010, 08:23:51 AM
Post by: high country on January 02, 2010, 08:41:54 AM
Post by: bow4elk on January 02, 2010, 08:57:38 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 02, 2010, 09:19:23 AM
The basic concept is he builds a box, that has the bottom and all four sides on it. He makes it long enough and hangs it low enough that the deer have to put their head down into the box to feed. When the buck comes into feed he cannot reach the bottom of the box and therefore commences to push harder to get his head in there and this in returns makes the antlers come off.
He has been doing this for about 5 years and like said he gets around 50-60 sheds a year. One good thing about it is he 99% of the time has the matching sets.
joe
Post by: jwroberts on January 02, 2010, 12:35:45 PM
Post by: bow4elk on January 02, 2010, 02:34:02 PM
Post by: coop2424 on January 05, 2010, 08:13:34 AM
Post by: woodywsu on January 05, 2010, 08:42:59 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 05, 2010, 08:50:20 AM
This is basically what he does.
Stake is a 2x4 cut at a 45 so the box hangs at an angle and not straight up and down, so the feed does not get wet. When he sits the stake in he sets it at 30 inches high so the deer can somewhat eat naturally.
The box is nothing but a 12x12x12.
He takes and cuts an opening out of the top of the box that is 9x9, leaving him a 3 inch side all the way around it. Does can put their heads straight in and eat, but the bucks cant, they then start pushing on the box to get their heads in there, and this results when they are ready to drop their antlers they drop off right at the base of the box.
Hope this helps you.
Joe
Post by: bow4elk on January 05, 2010, 01:58:16 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on January 05, 2010, 02:02:38 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on January 05, 2010, 02:18:27 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 05, 2010, 02:44:49 PM
based on above...
Bow4elk, you are correct in pictorial, other than antlers being too small :chuckle:
Post by: bow4elk on January 05, 2010, 02:55:00 PM
based on above...
Bow4elk, you are correct in pictorial, other than antlers being too small :chuckle:
sorry, I should revise the sketch to more satisfactory proportions :chuckle: Hey, I was in a meeting so that's the best you get from work!
Post by: NWBREW on January 05, 2010, 03:18:30 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on January 05, 2010, 03:18:57 PM
Post by: jwroberts on January 05, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on January 05, 2010, 09:18:45 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2010, 09:48:46 PM
Post by: mkcj on January 05, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 05, 2010, 10:58:48 PM
How can you keep the does from eating all the bait first?
Only use the one inch screws they dont like them
Post by: lewy on January 06, 2010, 06:22:04 AM
Post by: coriantonk on January 06, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
http://www.racktrap.com/
Post by: Dipsnort on January 06, 2010, 12:55:41 PM
Almost missed that one. Size DOES matter. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:How can you keep the does from eating all the bait first?
Only use the one inch screws they dont like them
Post by: NWBREW on January 06, 2010, 01:08:55 PM
A quick google search brought up this comercialy available one.
http://www.racktrap.com/
I think I'm going to make one of those and put it over by my cabin. I figure I can make one for under 70 bucks, I'm sure not going to buy one for a few hundred if I can make it myself. Thanks for posting the link coriantonk.
Post by: huntnphool on January 06, 2010, 01:14:19 PM
Post by: NWBREW on January 06, 2010, 01:22:20 PM
The rubber straps look like rubber bungies without the hooks
Yeah, That's what I thought. I think I'm going to buy about 30' of bungee cord and just weave it back and forth. The first design I saw a few years back had the bungee cord and not the rubber straps. Should be cheaper with the cord and a little more forgiving if the antlers are not quite ready to shed off. just my :twocents:
Post by: coop2424 on January 06, 2010, 05:41:11 PM
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Post by: rasbo on January 06, 2010, 05:46:59 PM
Post by: NWBREW on January 06, 2010, 06:22:32 PM
Post by: olsy on January 06, 2010, 06:49:29 PM
I will be putting it out this weekend hopefully it works.
Nice work Jared. I assume you built one for me?? :dunno:
Post by: coop2424 on January 06, 2010, 07:12:49 PM
I will be putting it out this weekend hopefully it works.
Nice work Jared. I assume you built one for me?? :dunno:
I got all the parts if you want to come over and make one. I did this in probably 30 min or so.. Let me know
Post by: coop2424 on January 06, 2010, 07:16:04 PM
Isn't it still a little early for shedding antlers? :dunno: Maybe it's just region but I see bucks with antlers all the way to the end of march. I think I'll try to get one out mid Feb. I'm gonna be up in northern stevens county.....maybe it's a little different in the southern regions. :dunno: Good luck coop
I think that it may be a little early but a couple people have seen some white tails with only one antler. That may be from other reasons though. I am basically putting it out on my new property to get them coming in. I have noticed it takes them a little while for them to find the feeders some times. In my mind it is not going to hurt anything by putting it out and you never know may get lucky...
Post by: gasman on January 06, 2010, 07:31:22 PM
Post by: olsy on January 06, 2010, 07:34:59 PM
I will be putting it out this weekend hopefully it works.
Nice work Jared. I assume you built one for me?? :dunno:
I got all the parts if you want to come over and make one. I did this in probably 30 min or so.. Let me know
Sounds good. I'll talk to you tomorrow about it.
Post by: coop2424 on January 06, 2010, 07:47:52 PM
I do not recall it was mentioned in the thread any where but what kind of food (bait) do you put in it?
Deer Corn, alfalfa pellets, deer feed or any of the other feeds they sell in the bags for deer...
Post by: olsy on January 06, 2010, 08:07:40 PM
I do not recall it was mentioned in the thread any where but what kind of food (bait) do you put in it?
Deer Corn, alfalfa pellets, deer feed or any of the other feeds they sell in the bags for deer...
Big R stores have 50lb bags of dry or sweet cob mixes for around $10
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 06, 2010, 08:43:56 PM
I really hope it works for al lyou guys getting out there and doing it. Wish I could join you.
Joe
Post by: coop2424 on January 06, 2010, 09:00:37 PM
Sweet job Coop, the only thing that with talking to my buddy in Wisconsin, is they have the box set up at an angle some so the rain does not go straight down in to the feed.
I really hope it works for al lyou guys getting out there and doing it. Wish I could join you.
Joe
Yeah I plan on putting the 2x4 in at an angle and I think I might try to put it under a tree also to keep it from the rain. I made the pocket for the 2x4 so if I want to remove it I can leave the 2x4 in the ground and just take the box.. Thanks
Post by: Black Plague on January 07, 2010, 12:59:50 PM
Post by: coop2424 on January 07, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
just make sure that you get that thing stuck in the ground securely enough...... I have seen bucks do some thrashing at times and I wouldn't want to come out and find the thing on its side with all the corn on the ground,.....I am thinking about putting one directly on a big old pine tree on my parents place....I think that might improve the sturdiness....only issue then is portability....maybe I am overthinking it... :) :twocents:
I was actually thinking the same thing after I built this with the 2x4. The ground is frozen how am I going to get that in the ground. I think I may use a lag bolt into a tree at the right height but it will still need to be at an angle so all the feed does not come to the front of the box..
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Post by: coop2424 on January 10, 2010, 04:55:51 PM
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Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2010, 05:04:24 PM
Post by: coop2424 on January 10, 2010, 05:07:34 PM
Looks great. I hope to see some pictures soon! Would be cool to have a trail cam there to see the antlers being knocked loose as they eat.
Yeah that would be cool.... :chuckle:
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Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2010, 05:35:39 PM
Looks great. I hope to see some pictures soon! Would be cool to have a trail cam there to see the antlers being knocked loose as they eat.
Yeah that would be cool.... :chuckle:
:tup:
Post by: lewy on January 10, 2010, 05:38:24 PM
Post by: bow4elk on January 10, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
Post by: coop2424 on January 10, 2010, 08:45:19 PM
Post by: bow4elk on January 10, 2010, 09:05:48 PM
Post by: coop2424 on January 10, 2010, 09:17:47 PM
Mine are straight down with no bend. I just cut the pipe at a 30 degree angle and let it rest on the ground. The feed comes out the "wedge" shape created by the angled cut. I made mine 5 feet long and filled them to the top with wet cob. I have a cap snugged on for a lid. What do you have for food? Looks like alfalfa pellets (?)
Man that is a good idea with just cutting the wedge out and a hell of a lot cheaper. I think I have some more PVC around I think I will make a couple like that. Yeah they are a deer feed that is mostly alfalfa they eat the hell out of it. They cleaned the entire pipe out in a day. What are you using for feed?
Post by: bow4elk on January 10, 2010, 09:21:12 PM
What are you using for feed?
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I filled both mine with wet cob. Some deer eat it, most ignore it. At least that's my experience. I put them out to supplement their nutrition more than anything. I heard alfalfa is hard for deer to digest, unless it's lush fresh plant form as opposed to bailed or pellets. I haven't really researched it, just something I heard.
Post by: coop2424 on January 10, 2010, 09:55:37 PM
What are you using for feed?
I filled both mine with wet cob. Some deer eat it, most ignore it. At least that's my experience. I put them out to supplement their nutrition more than anything. I heard alfalfa is hard for deer to digest, unless it's lush fresh plant form as opposed to bailed or pellets. I haven't really researched it, just something I heard.
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Yeah I don't know that about the alfalfa pellets the ones I am using are actual deer feed just alfalfa is part of it. THey basically look like chewed up grass if they get any bit wet. I have heard that pea pellet's are the way to go so that is what I am going to try moving forward I guess really good protein for them..
Post by: lokidog on January 10, 2010, 10:44:26 PM
Post by: lewy on January 11, 2010, 06:26:46 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on January 11, 2010, 06:50:32 AM
That will work!
Post by: lokidog on January 11, 2010, 08:13:47 AM
Post by: NWBREW on January 11, 2010, 09:03:20 AM
Looks great Lewy, you could weld a garbage can lid or something on the top to help keep the rain out.
THAT'S A REAL GOOD IDEA!!
Post by: lewy on January 11, 2010, 10:47:13 AM
Post by: let.it.fly on January 11, 2010, 10:56:44 AM
Post by: NWBREW on January 11, 2010, 11:04:33 AM
theses things are awsome. im gona have to find an area that holds alot of deer near me and do this. you guys think its a little late?
No...it's not to late....do it now. I'm heading over to stevens county in a week to set some up. :dunno: Whitetails might be different than blacktails....they tend to stay in the general vacinity most of the year, and from what I have seen up there...they do not start dropping until mid Feb. North Stevens county that is.
Post by: tmike on January 11, 2010, 11:06:53 AM
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Post by: bow4elk on January 11, 2010, 12:21:11 PM
Have you guys considered what a bear will do to those things? I like the tube idea but am thinking it will get ripped off the tree. Can't wait to see some pictures of the success.
I've thought about this too but figure there's only one way to find out, right? It's a cheap experiment in any case.
Post by: lewy on January 11, 2010, 03:48:02 PM
Post by: Holg3107 on January 14, 2010, 11:01:15 AM
Post by: coop2424 on January 14, 2010, 11:25:11 AM
COOP, any pics or sheds yet, This is currently my favorite thread and i have already sent some of your pics to my uncle in Idaho to try out as well. Just thought I'd post to get it back up on the front page to get more people interested.
It has been out all week but have not made it back to the property yet. I will be out there this weekend with no internet but hopefully come Monday night I should have at least pictures hopefully sheds but not counting on it because I think it may be a little early still...
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 14, 2010, 11:28:00 AM
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Post by: coop2424 on January 14, 2010, 04:31:34 PM
I'm not sure that a deer would go at the feed hard enough to knock off antlers that aren't ready. I actually watched a buck once shake his head violently enough to send his antlers flying. On other occasions I have found places in the snow where you could see blood splatters from bucks shaking their head to lose antlers and found antlers close by.
I completely agree. I also have seen them want them off their head so bad after one has dropped that they slam their head against a tree. I do not know how that would be any different? :twocents:
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