Post by: TheHunt on January 06, 2010, 09:32:59 PM
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/NEWSRL/news/11_06_2009_update_wheeler_means_death.shtml
Post by: huntnphool on January 06, 2010, 09:43:48 PM
Post by: elkaholic123 on January 06, 2010, 09:45:14 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on January 06, 2010, 10:04:12 PM
Post by: Ray on January 06, 2010, 10:09:02 PM
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/NEWSRL/news/11_06_2009_update_wheeler_means_death.shtml
Post by: Forrestrover on January 06, 2010, 10:10:56 PM
Post by: littlebuf on January 06, 2010, 10:14:24 PM
Post by: hoytem on January 06, 2010, 10:45:55 PM
sounds like there will be at least two less idiots in the woods. excuse me if i don't shed a tear for these morons
I thought only one idiot was killed?
Post by: dlaw on January 06, 2010, 10:58:13 PM
sounds like there will be at least two less idiots in the woods. excuse me if i don't shed a tear for these morons
"Idiots" and "Morons" wow, saying it plural makes me think you didn't read the story very well.
The guy was drunk, and the other group was looking for an animal. Sad story all the way around but especially for the kid that had to see his dad, uncle and grandpa get into an altercation with a drunk guy who pulls a gun on them. I would not hesitate to take action as they did. If they didn't take the action the way they did maybe one of them would not be around.
Post by: NWBREW on January 06, 2010, 10:58:34 PM
sounds like there will be at least two less idiots in the woods. excuse me if i don't shed a tear for these morons
I think there was only one moron and he is now dead. That's to bad a kid had to see it. Yeah, I agree littlebuf.....no tear from me for the moron.
Post by: andrew_12gauge on January 07, 2010, 01:35:16 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 07, 2010, 06:00:58 AM
Post by: markts on January 07, 2010, 06:13:13 AM
Post by: littlebuf on January 07, 2010, 06:20:56 AM
sounds like there will be at least two less idiots in the woods. excuse me if i don't shed a tear for these morons
I thought only one idiot was killed?
im sure someones going to jail
Post by: littlebuf on January 07, 2010, 06:22:05 AM
sounds like there will be at least two less idiots in the woods. excuse me if i don't shed a tear for these morons
"Idiots" and "Morons" wow, saying it plural makes me think you didn't read the story very well.
The guy was drunk, and the other group was looking for an animal. Sad story all the way around but especially for the kid that had to see his dad, uncle and grandpa get into an altercation with a drunk guy who pulls a gun on them. I would not hesitate to take action as they did. If they didn't take the action the way they did maybe one of them would not be around.
see above post for question of my reading ability's
Post by: boneaddict on January 07, 2010, 06:27:10 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on January 07, 2010, 06:35:04 AM
Post by: GoldTip on January 07, 2010, 06:54:06 AM
I hate to read about *censored* like this, it's just a damn deer, and now someone is dead. Sounds like he got what he deserved. Glad to hear no charges were filed.
Post by: ICEMAN on January 07, 2010, 06:56:26 AM
Post by: Sneaky on January 07, 2010, 09:23:13 AM
Post by: Broken Arrow on January 07, 2010, 09:39:08 AM
Post by: GoldTip on January 07, 2010, 09:48:16 AM
That is FRICKEN insane. Like others, I feel bad for the kid. Bad situation all around....and to bad someone had to die over this incident, but with that said....If you gonna pull a gun and point it at someone, I guess you better be prepared to either use it or meet your maker.
I agree, bringing a gun to a gun fight, you have already ante'd in and you'd better be prepared to go all in.
Post by: Ripper on January 07, 2010, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 07, 2010, 10:25:33 AM
And yes, a person needs to know when not to hit the juice when there's guns around.
A little off the subject:
I was humping it back to the rig once at 2am ahead of my hunt partners that got separated earlier in the day. They weren't totally lost, we had radio contact for a little bit. We intersected the PCT and it was determined that since I was in the best shape (one was slightly lame), and ahead of them that I treck the next 8 miles to get wheels for when they would emerge from the woods totally exhausted. I had to cross a creek where the bridge was washed out. On the other side at the dead end road was an archery Elk camp of several rigs. Fire pit still had hot coals in it. I made noise as I walked through. I spoke loud enough to wake hunters, saying that I was just waking through to get back to our vehicle. "I'm not steeling anything" in loud voice as I walked through. One hunter jumped in his truck, caught up to me on the road and gave me a ride.
-Steve
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 07, 2010, 10:27:28 AM
Post by: Alan K on January 07, 2010, 10:37:29 AM
sounds like there will be at least two less idiots in the woods. excuse me if i don't shed a tear for these morons
I thought only one idiot was killed?
im sure someones going to jail
Nobody is going to jail according to the article. "The Grand Jury then handed down no indictments, concluding the actions of those involved in the death of Mr. Means were justified as self defense and in defense of another person."
Sounds like the guy that got shot was a loose cannon. I can't feel sorry for him one bit. It's just too bad it was somewhat hunting related. Hopefully the kid doesn't give up hunting because of this, and realizes this was a freak situation.
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 07, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
sounds like there will be at least two less idiots in the woods. excuse me if i don't shed a tear for these morons
I thought only one idiot was killed?
im sure someones going to jail
Nobody is going to jail according to the article. "The Grand Jury then handed down no indictments, concluding the actions of those involved in the death of Mr. Means were justified as self defense and in defense of another person."
Sounds like the guy that got shot was a loose cannon. I can't feel sorry for him one bit. It's just too bad it was somewhat hunting related. Hopefully the kid doesn't give up hunting because of this, and realizes this was a freak situation.
Post by: quadrafire on January 07, 2010, 11:12:54 AM
Post by: washelkhntr on January 07, 2010, 11:16:56 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on January 07, 2010, 11:34:33 AM
Post by: bonkellekter on January 07, 2010, 03:11:19 PM
I thought about this one time. I shot a dink of a 2 point (back when it was legal) as I was headed back to school and wanted the taco meat. He was at about 300 yards. I start working my way over to it and I see another guy approaching. He is humped up over my deer. I walk up to it and he has put his tag on it, and says to me "better luck next time". I turned and walked away. If I'd have said one word I would have killed him. I was infuriated. I went back to Idabooners to take a breath. I then went out and killed a way bigger buck, so I guess it all worked out in the end.
Reminds me of hunting for taco meat when I was in college just outside of Spokane. I ended up getting to the piece of state ground that my uncle recommended for a quick close to home hunt late because he gave chitty directions. I got there a little after day break stepped out of my truck and walked about fifty yards and saw MD doe right at the edge of the fog. watched her for about 20 min. then caught a little movement behind a bush to her right so I looked closer with my binos. It was a real nice non-typical MD buck bedded down so I dropped to one knee, rested my muzzle loader on the other and waited for him to stand up (about 70 yards away). It seemed like forever but he finally stood up broadside and I squeezed the trigger. Between of the smoke and fog I could not tell exactly what what happened But I knew I hit him pretty good a little high I thought. I started following the blood trail immediately to see what happened. At first I was finding very little blood but after a couple hundred yards he was dumping blood out both sides and I knew I was going to walk up on him any second - that's when I heard the shot 100 yards ahead. I walked out into the clearing where the buck lay dead and two guys cut me off half way. They piped off immediately claiming the buck, I showed them the blood trail and tried to explain that I shot the buck and they got volatile real quick and the way they were clenching their guns made me real uncomfortable so I decided it was not worth it and walked away and said take the ^%#$&^@%$^( )(*&(* (you get the drift). I don't think that I have ever been so pissed off in my life - that was nearly 7 years ago and I am getting nearly that pissed off just writing this. The buck would've went close to the 200" mark but I never got a really good look at him. Sorry to rant but :stup: But still when I look back on this I know that if I would have pushed the situation things could have ended much worse than they did.
Post by: squeeze2drop on January 08, 2010, 10:54:37 AM
Anyway a couple years ago I shot a buck on private land we hunt, a hunter from across the canyon saw me and we ran into him when we drove to go get the buck, he thought it was on his land(it wasn't and I proved it) so he's with his daughter who's maybe 10 and he's cussing me out and yelling and tryin to make me feel dumb, so after he's done makin himself look like an idiot I ask if he's done and I tell him have a nice day I have a buck to tend to, but I can without a doubt say that if his child wasn't there I woulda whooped his behind cuz I don't tolerate that, argueing is one thing, but gettin in someones face and all that? Naw I don't play that!
Post by: Dipsnort on January 08, 2010, 11:57:59 AM
Hey bone, I'm gonna call u out on this one(sorry) so u shot 2 bucks in one season???? I know u still had your tag but in other various threads people tell others to stop huntin if they have one wounded or killed one for a friend or whatever, how come nobodys is makin a fuss of this? Lol man, bone you're like Jordan on this board, u get away with anything lol! I'm jk I woulda did the same, but I had to bring it upYeah, Bone gets treated like a god around here but with his contributions he should stand out among the crowd. But I don't know how you could possibly call him out on this issue when the person who "stole" his buck tagged it as his own. Give the guy a break, man. :twocents:
Post by: squeeze2drop on January 08, 2010, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 08, 2010, 06:19:00 PM
Quit bein so sensitive, it was a joke, if it was taken any other way than too bad, re-read the postnice
Post by: Grizzly95 on January 08, 2010, 06:46:56 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on January 09, 2010, 04:55:24 AM
Post by: Cascade_Sherpa on January 11, 2010, 04:26:12 PM
Post by: bone head on January 11, 2010, 09:23:37 PM
Post by: lokidog on January 11, 2010, 09:31:06 PM
the stupid thing is is that the guy who pulled the triger is not in jail???? whats with the system these days
Huh? It's called self-defense or the defense of others.....
Post by: NWBREW on January 11, 2010, 09:34:01 PM
the stupid thing is is that the guy who pulled the triger is not in jail???? whats with the system these days
Are you supposed to wait and be the second person to pull the trigger when someone has a gun pointed at you? Last time I checked that doesn't work out to well. Self Defense....I will pull the trigger first.
Post by: squeeze2drop on January 11, 2010, 09:54:10 PM
Post by: Shootmoore on January 13, 2010, 10:15:58 PM
Iv'e been trained to stop the threat, the threat is the weapon pointed at you. There is no doubt in my mind that if someone points a gun at you they have the ability and desire to use it.
Iv'e had a firearm pointed at me twice in my life, one time the only reason I did not fire is because I did not have a clear shot (ie bystanders behind the threat) The second time I realized before I engaged the threat, that the threat could not see me do to lighting conditions. I was able to reposition to a location of cover and was able to end the threat without shots being fired. Thankfully both instances ended without loss of life. Its one of the things you train hard to be good at, but hope you never have to use it for real.
Shootmoore
Post by: coachcw on January 14, 2010, 06:50:03 AM
Post by: haus on January 14, 2010, 09:52:48 AM
Can't fathom someone taking someone elses animal, I hear about it happening all the time and it makes me wonder, who are these people? :dunno:
several years ago over in Pullman while hunting along the breaks I finished off a MD buck that came down the draw I was in. I could tell it had taken at least two rounds already and I'm not one for watchin' an animal suffer so I finished it off then walked over to take a look at it. Three guys came down the ridge to me as I was standing over the buck, they were all nervous looking and one stutters "we we shot it first, but but you can have it". completely caught me off guard. course I snapped back "its your *censored*in deer dude why would I want the damn thing, besides ya shot up all the good parts, I'd help ya pack it if it weren't opening day" :chuckle: sad to say thats the only muley I ever shot :bash: hate those things, evil evil animals. >:(
Post by: SilkWWU on January 14, 2010, 10:07:30 AM
the stupid thing is is that the guy who pulled the triger is not in jail???? whats with the system these days
Is this for real?
Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on January 14, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
Nobody forced this guy to drink and nobody forced him to point a gun at this guy. He did it on his own and it from the sounds of it it he may have lived longer than many others would have let him live.
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 14, 2010, 07:38:01 PM
Post by: buckman on January 14, 2010, 09:27:51 PM
Post by: Angus on January 14, 2010, 10:09:09 PM
I don't know why some people here are not glad that the *censored* is dead and did not kill the people who were just unfortunate enough to wander into his camp.
Actually, shooting didn't happen in the dead guys camp, happened in a third parties camp. They weren't involved but witnessed it.