Post by: catwithboost on January 21, 2008, 06:33:25 AM
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Post by: saylean on January 21, 2008, 10:22:29 AM
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Post by: rainshadow1 on January 21, 2008, 11:51:54 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 21, 2008, 02:32:29 PM
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Post by: billythekidrock on January 21, 2008, 06:11:56 PM
Called one in yesterday and my friend missed at 50 yard. He is so upset that we came home and watched football.
I hope his team won..
Post by: catwithboost on January 21, 2008, 07:11:56 PM
Post by: Bscman on January 22, 2008, 04:17:37 PM
I've seen four since october while out hunting (no small game for me this year).
Got our first bobcat last year--and saw two others last fall as well.
Most of these spottings have been in Mid/Eastern Skagit county where I do the majority of my "adventuring." I have seen a few bobcats and cougar in the hills around Welcome, WA (for those of you that know where that is) ;)
They are out there!
Post by: bearmanric on January 22, 2008, 05:46:20 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on January 22, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
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Post by: rainshadow1 on January 22, 2008, 09:38:52 PM
If it was legal, I'd be right out there with 'em. I'd have my own pack by now. But since it's not, it cuts the legs out from under the predator caller when the cats are all spooked out.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 23, 2008, 06:14:58 AM
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If it was legal, I'd be right out there with 'em. I'd have my own pack by now. But since it's not, it cuts the legs out from under the predator caller when the cats are all spooked out.
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Post by: bearmanric on January 23, 2008, 08:08:32 AM
Post by: huntinhick on January 23, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
Carl
Post by: catwithboost on January 23, 2008, 12:03:02 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on January 23, 2008, 12:40:45 PM
that's why i dont hunt Wynoochee and clearwater. when i was at colville hunting turkey's the camp next to me said ta we have no problem getting our cougar. they talked of several cougar's killed with dog's. and bear season. there were two hound hunter's at bear camp. ruined our hunting of course they were coyote hunting. then giggled. sorry most hound hunter's i no of are just poacher's. i'm unhappy to i guided bear baiting. Rick
ok come on, im callin BS all over what your saying. not sayin just you theres more guys on the site that are sayin hounders are ruining there hunts?? tell me how many hounders are in washington?? only 640 people put in this year for lion permits and probably on 400-500 actually own dogs capable of treeing somthin. what you guys are saying just dont line up with the facts. i have never seen any houders ever in capital forest besides myself. i go there every few weeks so how come i dont see any of them??? this makes no sense seeing as you guys claim that they're all over. and lion season still aint over, theres quite a few places that have areas open for safety removal and pursuit only.
i wish they'd open a decent program to run bear on. the one they had a few years ago was not good at all, and most of your good hounders wouldnt do it because they didnt agree with the things you had to do. if they'd open a decent houding season we wouldnt be having these bear problems. they havnt been as bad as there claiming in capital forest, but in that hancock forest area its getting really bad. there getting a thousnd or so increase in numbers every year over there
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 23, 2008, 12:52:54 PM
I talked to the Warden in my area, he told me there's been no authorizations of any kind for hound men to be running cats here. None. NONE! So, what are those couple truck boxes full of dogs doing up at 4000 feet in 20" of snow????? Please educate me here?!?!?!?! I'm not talking about 400 guys, I'm talking about 3 or 4 who dash out after the snow and spook the cats so I have a REAL hard time calling them. What are they doing up there if not P-O-A-C-H-I-N-G?
If there were another possibility, I'd much rather believe that. (I prefer to think the best of people.) But I just can't imagine one.
Post by: bearmanric on January 23, 2008, 01:07:25 PM
Post by: huntinhick on January 23, 2008, 03:57:13 PM
Carl
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 23, 2008, 04:04:39 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 23, 2008, 04:30:12 PM
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Houndhunter, I think you're hearing it a little wrong... I - - and I'll wager BTKR and Bearman also - - don't have a probelm with hound hunting. Or hounds. Or hound dog men. If it was legal, I'd be doing it myself.
I agree. I do not have a problem with hound hunting and someday I would like to even just ride with some guys to see what it is like. But what I don't like are the guys that are running cats and bears when they are not supposed to. Like the old man in the CF who was running bears a couple falls ago and told me he was running "coyotes" or "what ever was legal". Or the guy that was chasing bobcats in the CF last winter in the snow right through the unit I was calling in. I don't like it when my brother's archery elk hunt is ruined in Winston by a couple hounds running a hot cougar track behind the herd last year. Those guys even admitted to running cats, but stated "we don't kill em".
Post by: bearmanric on January 23, 2008, 05:49:05 PM
Post by: catwithboost on January 23, 2008, 05:59:13 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 23, 2008, 06:05:41 PM
This may come out wrong but take it with a grain of salt. We have a wide range of hunting here is Washington and NOT sure but it is not illegal to track animals so if someone says that they are doing that we have to take there word until proven wrong. So if someone comes thru your stand it is not illegal so be it. Is how I feel.
Ya lost me on that one.. :dunno:
Post by: catwithboost on January 23, 2008, 06:12:39 PM
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Post by: Houndhunter on January 23, 2008, 07:02:57 PM
i know there are houders that run animals illegally, like a few people on the coast i can recall. they got caught for running bear, bobcat, and all sorts of stuff out of season and illegally. i know who they are because i have the same tracking system as they did. things like this i dont think would happen if they never would have shut it down like they did. for one thing is you loose the ethics and morals. by this i mean just bout all hounders had like a code that you'd follow. such as never shooting a female lion or one that was to small, or treeing a sow with cubs. guys never used to do these things because that was how it was but when they shut it down completly you loose that generation that was teaching the younger generations good ethics. and with out good ethics of just a few it puts a bad image on the entire hounding community
Post by: catwithboost on January 23, 2008, 07:07:59 PM
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 23, 2008, 08:23:24 PM
COUGAR HUNTING SEASON WITH THE AID OF DOGS
On October 1, 2004 the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission started a pilot cougar hunting season where dogs are used to hunt cougar. The hunts are in Chelan, Okanogan, Ferry, Stevens, and Pend Oreille counties.
Kill Quotas: The new cougar season uses a kill quota system, where hunters may hunt and kill cougar until the allotted numbers of cougar have been killed from each hunt zone or March 31, 2008, whichever occurs first. Kill quotas start September 1 and include all cougar killed during seasons with and without the aid of dogs, as well as depredation permits, landowner kill permits, and WDFW kills.
Cougar Permit Season: Cougars may be hunted from December 1, 2007 until the female zone quota has been killed, the total zone quota has been killed, or March 31, 2008, whichever occurs first (EXCEPT the season opens January 1, 2008 in GMUs 101 and 204).
Pursuit-Only Season: If either the total cougar zone or the female zone quota is reached prior to March 31, 2008, cougar may be pursued with dogs in all or portions of that zone until March 31, 2008. Hunters selected for a kill permit may participate in a pursuit-only season. If a quota is reached, the Department will also issue pursuit-only permits to hunters drawn at random from the unselected pool of applicants. Hunters may not kill cougar during a pursuit-only season.
"End Quote"
According to the Cougar Page on the F&W website, pursuit only is only allowed by permit holders in the cougar zones spoken above, after the kill quotas have been reached, which only include Chelan, Okanogan, Ferry, Stevens, and Pend Oreille counties.
There are NO pursuit only seasons in Western Washington. Hasn't been since the ban.
It is illegal to track animals with dogs that aren't in your physical control. (On a leash.) I asked a Forest Service Enforcement Officer about it, he said if he saw hounds off a leash, he'd cite for harassing wildlife.
It's not legal from any angle.
Post by: Houndhunter on January 24, 2008, 12:13:44 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 24, 2008, 12:19:30 PM
It is illegal to track animals with dogs that aren't in your physical control. (On a leash.) I asked a Forest Service Enforcement Officer about it, he said if he saw hounds off a leash, he'd cite for harassing wildlife.
It's not legal from any angle.
What about the coon and coyote guys? Obviously they're not using leashes. The 20" snow is a pretty good clue that they're not after coons, but
Post by: catwithboost on January 24, 2008, 12:25:20 PM
Post by: TheKid#10 on January 24, 2008, 12:35:27 PM
KID
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 24, 2008, 01:04:17 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on January 24, 2008, 02:46:01 PM
They are absolutely thick in the Hancock property above Kapowsin, we have called out and shot a few and even see them in the day during deer season as well. No dogs up there either. Quite a few cougars too. But silly thick with bobcats.
KID
its crazy how many bears are up there. i would say if you hunt there just two times you'd have your cahnce at a bear, and thats with no backround info bout the place just striat up goin there. i know of a guy who can get a bear up there almost every time he goes out
they'll either have to lower the price on the gate permits, or start issueing some permits for bear in there for houndsmen
Post by: catwithboost on January 25, 2008, 05:09:29 PM
Post by: bearsnack on January 27, 2008, 07:51:22 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 27, 2008, 07:56:31 PM
If you re-read the thread you should notice that we are not against hound hunting, most of us are for it even if we don't have dogs.
Post by: Houndhunter on January 27, 2008, 08:12:16 PM
i like what your sayin bearsnack bout being catch and release. most of the things i've ever treed have never been killed, just treed
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 27, 2008, 08:42:35 PM
If it was legal to chase and take cats with dogs, I'd own them myself.
It's not legal.
Hounders who run cats are poaching. Kill or not. And taking away my opportunity to legally take cats with calls by spooking them far from the travelable roads. Plain and simple.
I don't agree with the ban. But it's law. If it's such a lifestyle, then head to the legislature, not to the high country.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 28, 2008, 06:10:46 AM
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If it's such a lifestyle, then head to the legislature, not to the high country.
I think the hound hunters would be surprised at how much support they would get if they could get something going. I know I would help again.
Post by: bearmanric on January 28, 2008, 08:18:13 AM
Post by: bearsnack on January 28, 2008, 08:18:55 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 29, 2008, 05:46:14 AM
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YOU think hound guys are taking opportunity away from YOU! now I get the picture. Well I don't condone running cats but it happens life goes on.
And how do you feel when someone outside your hunting party sets up on the trail and blasts at the animal you are chasing?
Post by: bearmanric on January 29, 2008, 08:23:16 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 29, 2008, 08:34:43 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on January 29, 2008, 12:25:12 PM
QuoteYOU think hound guys are taking opportunity away from YOU! now I get the picture. Well I don't condone running cats but it happens life goes on.
And how do you feel when someone outside your hunting party sets up on the trail and blasts at the animal you are chasing?
we say good for them cause we wasnt guna shoot it anyway
Post by: billythekidrock on January 29, 2008, 05:14:52 PM
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we say good for them cause we wasnt guna shoot it anyway
Sure.
Post by: bucklucky on January 29, 2008, 08:06:44 PM
Post by: bearsnack on January 29, 2008, 10:20:20 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 30, 2008, 05:32:24 AM
billythekidrock, never had that happen I don't think I'd be to happy! I don't like anyone shooting game over my dogs unless I know the person is capable or I'm right there. People get to exited might shoot a dog or wound game and then my dogs get hurt. Then I would be f---ing pissed! >:(
That is how I feel when I see guys running "coyotes" in the high snow.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 30, 2008, 06:03:54 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 30, 2008, 06:08:29 AM
Post by: bearsnack on January 30, 2008, 06:19:25 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 30, 2008, 09:47:16 PM
Disregard for your image is probably one of the reasons that folks in this state voted against your type of hunting. Try to project a good image, one of legal guy doing legal thing, who cares about others, and maybe your sport will recover.
Post by: Coasthunterjay on January 30, 2008, 10:25:03 PM
This may come out wrong but take it with a grain of salt. We have a wide range of hunting here is Washington and NOT sure but it is not illegal to track animals so if someone says that they are doing that we have to take there word until proven wrong. So if someone comes thru your stand it is not illegal so be it. Is how I feel.I would agree....That is as long as they werent purposefully trying to snoop in on you? I have walked in on other hunters before and i say woops to myself turn around and walk a different direction. I really trey to have an over abundance for hunters in the fiels because i think that if i treat another hunter with respect that next time he walks up on another person he will do the same. show that person respect?
But yes like you were saying there are alot of trails out there and alot of hunters. accidents happen. that is part of playing the game....Its all in how you adress the situation when you walk up to it!!!
Post by: billythekidrock on January 31, 2008, 06:24:29 AM
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How would you feel if I came into your stand where you were calling and shot your game. I dont know why guys running there dogs would piss you off we got just as much right to be in the woods as anybody else! Sucks I have to defend my sport against antis, but hunters too?
Apparently you have the wrong opinion or idea of what I (and a few others) are trying to say. If the season is open and you are legally chasing legal animals then go for it. Bring me along, I would love to do it.
But if you are chasing cats or bears and skirting (read breaking) the law, or pleading ignorance by saying you are chasing "coyotes" or "coons" up in the high country then I have a problem with that.
I am not saying that you are chasing cats and calling them coyotes, but you and I both know there are guys that do. They are the ones ruining the reputation of hound hunters.
AJ - while your post rings true, that is not what this is about. This is basically similar to a rifle hunter illegally shooting elk from the same herd of that you are legallyhunting with archery equipment. I have had plenty of hunters come into the area I am hunting and back out, a few have asked to stay (it was a long way in) and I agreed.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 31, 2008, 10:48:09 AM
Here's a website that lets you see what's going on with our lawmakers. There's a bill right now trying to make the pilot program a permanant deal. Let your rep know that you support it and would like more programs initiated throughout the state. (if that's how you feel) It's good to let them know we are paying attention.
Post by: Houndhunter on January 31, 2008, 12:04:01 PM
are you kidding me?? your comparing an elk getting poached to a bobcat that is just getting treed?? now your taking this way outa comparison. theres no tellin what your running when theres no snow, if the dogs strike you let them on it. is there somthin wrong with that? ive seen enough coon tracks way up high to now that they do go up in elevation. pretty much just anywhere that has a lil drainage a coon could be in there wether its at 200 elevation or 2500 there could be some coons up there
Post by: billythekidrock on January 31, 2008, 04:43:37 PM
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are you kidding me?? your comparing an elk getting poached to a bobcat that is just getting treed??
Yep! If it is against the law to run cats and you are running them it is the same..both are against the law.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 31, 2008, 04:45:08 PM
http://www.washingtonvotes.org/2007-HB-1756
Here's a website that lets you see what's going on with our lawmakers. There's a bill right now trying to make the pilot program a permanant deal. Let your rep know that you support it and would like more programs initiated throughout the state. (if that's how you feel) It's good to let them know we are paying attention.
Great link. Thanks
Post by: bearsnack on February 02, 2008, 03:27:02 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 02, 2008, 03:54:36 PM
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I'm done arguing my point with these selfish people on here its all about them.
My thoughts exactly!
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Like I said before if they made it illegal for you to keep your guns would you give them up or be an outlaw!
So are you saying that since it is illegal to run cats (my guns) you have not given it up (an outlaw) and are continuing to do it?
Post by: Houndhunter on February 02, 2008, 05:14:36 PM
Your right Houndhunter I've seen coon tracks in the snow in high elevation areas lots of times I've also treed several in high elevations during the night and day. Most of the coon I tree are during daylight hours cause I hate staying up all night. Twice I've seen road killed coon on the top of chinook pass. I'm done arguing my point with these selfish people on here its all about them. Like I said before if they made it illegal for you to keep your guns would you give them up or be an outlaw!
you right bout running coon during the day time, way better. i wont hunt them unless there is snow though, during the day. runnin them suckers at night is better huntin but i get really tired chasin them damn dogs at 3:00 in the mornin
Post by: coonhunter on February 10, 2008, 07:23:54 AM
U see why people is out hunting right now over westside with full of dogs in box. BECAREFUL WHAT U THINK (They might be legally). you gotta becareful who you are nagging on. I know few guys who got draw for pscr got pulled over by Officer, and check their record and they are clean and go hunting. So you can be mistake by think "they are poarching is not what you think"
Ya People who got draw for westside and some eastside. The draw permittee can add three houndmen name on special form before dec 1. The name on list that goes in computer system and have right to go hunt with a permittee and can use hounds who ever got draw for pscr which mean 84 houndmen is legally to go only if 28 permittee added 84 hunter include 28 permittee which is total 112 hunters are all legally in WA for pscr ONLY.
I got to go a lot all winter with one of permittee who asked me to guide him. I am grateful and legally to chase every weekend last year and this year, because permittee put my name on their form and its in wdf system. I dont care what people think is illeagelly. I personally legally to do whatever state please us to removel cougar for public safety and we will DO EVERYTHING we can do to kill TWO COUGARS.
I have been hunting a lot in snow for coon westside. its way FUN than looking for cougar trax. I feel most safe when I am fully coon hunter! I have all evidence of picture and killing coon with hounds which is legally and can show any gamewarden if they stop me in middle of mountain and they will allow me to go hunting. All I have to be honest and not do any stupid because people is all over place right now. I would never chase yotes. its awfuly. I perfer coon! :IBCOOL: its fun!
this picture was a coon cut we chase them.
coonhunter