Post by: shaneman153D on January 10, 2010, 03:51:02 PM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on January 10, 2010, 03:54:37 PM
Post by: Bulldozer on January 10, 2010, 03:59:01 PM
Post by: high country on January 10, 2010, 04:18:02 PM
Post by: sako223 on January 10, 2010, 04:28:51 PM
We have had better luck with 50's, Nosler, Blitzking. With all ballistic tips splashing can pose problems especially with the lighter more fragile(thinner) brands.
The .22-250 has more energy and performs better with the same bullets traveling at a higher speed. For this reason many guys step up in bullet weight with the .223. they just don't shoot as flat.
Post by: shaneman153D on January 10, 2010, 05:32:22 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 10, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
Post by: demontang on January 10, 2010, 06:04:39 PM
Post by: bowhunt03 on January 10, 2010, 06:35:36 PM
Post by: b23 on January 10, 2010, 11:32:54 PM
I've never been a big fan of lighter bullets but these 40gr Nosler BT's have been like a death ray on yotes this year. I'm running them a bit on the hot side but that's were they seem to want to group the best.
Post by: Straight Shooter on January 11, 2010, 07:22:13 AM
Post by: Gutpile on January 12, 2010, 07:54:35 AM
Post by: Big10gauge on January 12, 2010, 12:56:50 PM
I know there are guys that hunt Coyotes with a .204 Ruger so I know the bullet is capable of putting them down.
Are you actually comparing a .223 to a .204? :bash: :chuckle:
Post by: wrangler on January 12, 2010, 01:17:33 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on January 12, 2010, 01:37:36 PM
Post by: shaneman153D on January 12, 2010, 06:40:44 PM
Are you actually comparing a .223 to a .204? :bash: :chuckle:
Yes I am.
204 Ruger 32 gr. V-MAX 83204 4225/1268 3645/944 3137/699 2683/512 2272/367 1899/256
223 Rem 40 gr. V-MAX 8325 3800/1282 3249/937 2762/677 2324/479 1928/330 1578/221
:bash: :chuckle:
Post by: Big10gauge on January 12, 2010, 07:02:52 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on January 12, 2010, 08:22:12 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 12, 2010, 08:31:48 PM
Post by: shaneman153D on January 12, 2010, 08:50:26 PM
My bad, I thought you wanted to compare apples to apples (40gr .224 to 40 gr .204) :chuckle:
I can't believe the .204 has more energy.
I just looked it up, I didn't know the .204 took a bigger powder charge. :o
Post by: demontang on January 12, 2010, 08:57:50 PM
.204 at 500yds is 43.6 low with 256ftlb
.223 at 500yds is 46.7 low with 222ftlb
so to me they are pretty damn close real mv makes a diff I haven't seen a .204 push a 40 at 3900 though a crono or a 32gr at 4200. An yes I had one for half a year. :p
Post by: bowhunterforever on January 12, 2010, 09:00:33 PM
.204 ROCKS!!!!!:yeah:
Post by: shaneman153D on January 12, 2010, 10:11:01 PM
Ok I just looked up my reload data. 3600-3700 for the .204 with the .40gr an 3500-3600 for the .223 40gr. Now with the nosler bt the two 40gr are only a few .01bc apart. I loaded them in my bc program An with both moving at 3600 there's only 3" diff at 500yds.
.204 at 500yds is 43.6 low with 256ftlb
.223 at 500yds is 46.7 low with 222ftlb
so to me they are pretty damn close real mv makes a diff I haven't seen a .204 push a 40 at 3900 though a crono or a 32gr at 4200. An yes I had one for half a year. :p
Yes they are very similar. I think I like the .223 because it should leave a bigger hole. However doping the wind should be easier with the .204, as it has higher sectional density. Meh, RRA only makes ARs in .223 so I went with that. I would want one in 22-250 or 220 swift if I could get it!
Post by: wastickslinger on January 12, 2010, 10:29:39 PM
Ok I just looked up my reload data. 3600-3700 for the .204 with the .40gr an 3500-3600 for the .223 40gr. Now with the nosler bt the two 40gr are only a few .01bc apart. I loaded them in my bc program An with both moving at 3600 there's only 3" diff at 500yds.
.204 at 500yds is 43.6 low with 256ftlb
.223 at 500yds is 46.7 low with 222ftlb
so to me they are pretty damn close real mv makes a diff I haven't seen a .204 push a 40 at 3900 though a crono or a 32gr at 4200. An yes I had one for half a year. :p
Yes they are very similar. I think I like the .223 because it should leave a bigger hole. However doping the wind should be easier with the .204, as it has higher sectional density. Meh, RRA only makes ARs in .223 so I went with that. I would want one in 22-250 or 220 swift if I could get it!
Bigger hole? I like the 204 cause it leaves a smaller hole. Nothing worse than a blown up cat/yote for the fur buyer (not that there is a big dollar thses days but hey every little bit helps). If you want bigger holes quit messing around and shoot a 300 win mag and really put the hurt on them. :chuckle: :chuckle:
And I disagree that that 204 and 223 are similar. All the charts I read show the 204 with more energy than 223 and pretty significant less drop. Thats how I read it anyway. :dunno:
They all get the job done though. I like 22-250, 223, 243 and 204(thats why I have them all). All for different reasons.
Post by: demontang on January 13, 2010, 08:28:17 AM
A 22-250 or 220 swift would have to be on the ar10 frame the coal is just a hair to long for the mag on a ar15 :'(
Post by: Big10gauge on January 13, 2010, 09:43:23 AM
I've got a 40 gr .204 shooting at 3874 fps. with a low Standard Dev out of a 24 in barrel with H335 at 80 degrees. Yes slightly over recommended max load, Slight cratering of primer. And could do better if I throttled the gas port down more and changed to a leaf spring(stiffer) rather than the coil or played with more types of powders. Why would you want to shoot a .204 at 3600 fps at the same velocity as a .223 anyway? IMHO :dunno:
As for guns never leaving the safe I've got 3 .223's in there that don't know what daylight is, and I've killed quite a few with them. :chuckle:
The .223 has killed a ton of coyotes no doubt about it and will continue to do so no matter what bullet is used. In my experience the .204 fits my style of hunting better which is shooting the longer ranges on called in coyotes, less wind drift, lead etc. May not be for someone else but it's what I like to do. This year I'm playing with a .243 which so far spanks both of them and my be my new favorite, but I do prefer the AR platform so I'm in the process of building a .20 practical with a 26/27 in barrel, 4100 fps here I come!!!. :IBCOOL:
My last :twocents:
Sorry Shaneman, Didn't mean to jack your thread
Post by: Dirty Mike on January 13, 2010, 10:26:27 AM
Post by: demontang on January 13, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
Post by: shaneman153D on January 13, 2010, 02:49:29 PM
Sorry Shaneman, Didn't mean to jack your thread
No problem brotha!
BTW, while the thread is jacked, do you own this upper?
http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=UV24204R&storeid=1&image=uvarm24204ru.gif&CFID=57793056&CFTOKEN=52874182
I saw that you posted that linky on another thread. I've been wondering what kind of quality/accuracy it has.
Post by: Red Dawg on January 13, 2010, 02:54:12 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on January 13, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
no problem. A 40 gr v-max out of the hornet kills them dead on the spot. Unless you blow there leg off. The can still run preatty fast on 3 legs. :chuckle:
3 ?? I have had them out run me with two legs. Ask duckfvr and 509er. Duck had to kill it with a rock. That sucker had no front legs. He just plowed snow for 400 yards and fast!!!
Post by: Big10gauge on January 13, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
Sorry Shaneman, Didn't mean to jack your thread
No problem brotha!
BTW, while the thread is jacked, do you own this upper?
http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=UV24204R&storeid=1&image=uvarm24204ru.gif&CFID=57793056&CFTOKEN=52874182
I saw that you posted that linky on another thread. I've been wondering what kind of quality/accuracy it has.
I have that upper and so far it's been a a great upper. Seems to be very good quality and is very accurate. Mine's about 2 1/2 yrs old now