Post by: huntergreg on January 24, 2010, 12:56:55 PM
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Post by: gasman on January 24, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
They are just getting ready for the head and horn comp.
It's that time of year again :bash:
Post by: Red Dawg on January 24, 2010, 07:42:08 PM
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Post by: luvtohnt on January 24, 2010, 08:55:03 PM
I talked to a game warden I know today he was on his way up into the Nile. He said there has been Bull elk poached every weekend for the last 4 weeks. It is tribal people who are poaching the elk. The game warden said the tribes have closed off the area to all tribal hunting but they are not controlling it. The fish and game has now been watching the area for anyone who is taking these bulls. They have made 2 cases so far that they are charging the poachers with. They have all been smaller bulls he said. The bigger bulls have not came down yet that they have seen. They are watching the area really close to catch the poachers. I asked him about the Big horn's in the canyon and he said they are going to wait and see how things are and it isn't looking like they will have to get rid of all the sheep. He said they may have to go in there and take out the ones that have any symptoms. But it looks to be good for them at this time.
I would imagine if this is true and they were tribal they may very well get prosecuted. Lets hope for the best!!
Brandon
Post by: gasman on January 25, 2010, 05:04:51 AM
They caught the A-holes that were in there last night poaching....I heard the whole thing on the scanner, sounds like they were gonna sieze several guns, and the truck too...might be a score for the good guys on this one. :IBCOOL:
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Post by: boneaddict on January 25, 2010, 05:40:45 AM
Post by: elk311 on January 25, 2010, 06:38:51 AM
Here's a Nile bull to enjoy:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29106619@N06/4302305237/
Post by: trophyhunt on January 25, 2010, 07:15:43 AM
Post by: colockumelk on January 25, 2010, 08:51:54 AM
HERE"S MY CHALLENGE!!!! If we find out that they are not prosecuted we ALL need to write a letter to our editer in whatever city we live in, in outrage about it. BUT PLEASE PLEASE keep it respectfull because otherwise they will not print it. Lets keep tabs on this. This is the kind of stuff we need to pay attention to so we can document it. Once we get enough "dirt" we can actually make something happen. Thanks for posting this.
Post by: wackmaster on January 27, 2010, 04:23:57 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 27, 2010, 04:28:34 PM
Post by: wackmaster on January 27, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 27, 2010, 04:53:24 PM
Post by: Raul Duke on January 27, 2010, 08:03:49 PM
Post by: mountainman1 on January 27, 2010, 09:13:46 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on January 27, 2010, 10:14:00 PM
:yeah: I think everyone who are trying to blame the tribal members need to quit being so racist! :bash: Wether they are white or black or Native American doesn't matter they are individuals that need to be prosecuted for poaching a big game animal out of season :yike:
How is blaming tribal members being racist? So far I just see facts. More tribal poaching. If it were white trash we would be just as mad at there would be a ranting post about it as well. Fact is that that a certain race has earned a bad rap for continually poaching and getting away with out prosecution. I so no racist comments yet. Looks like there is pretty good proof to go with this post. :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 28, 2010, 07:07:46 AM
Post by: colockumelk on January 28, 2010, 12:39:04 PM
:yeah: I think everyone who are trying to blame the tribal members need to quit being so racist! :bash: Wether they are white or black or Native American doesn't matter they are individuals that need to be prosecuted for poaching a big game animal out of season :yike:
It's not racism. Most members on here get very frustrated because time and time again we se tribal members poaching in this area and NOTHING happens to them. There are not any repercussions they get away scott free. It's very frustrating because when Americans do this we get fined to the max and rightfully so. It's very frustrating to wait 6-10 years just for the chance to hunt a branch bull because there are not enough branch bulls for everyone to hunt every year, when a tribal member can go up and kill 4 in one day.
Last year I took pictures of 6 bulls that was brought from one tribal member. This guy killed more branch bulls himself then all legal hunters combined in that unit. It's not racism that we're pissed about it's the massive active discrimination that is going on. You're right there is racism involved. And we as American's are the ones feeling the racism.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 28, 2010, 12:50:10 PM
No matter what color, nationality or ethnicity a criminal/poacher or whatever needs to be punished. So we all agree on that.
I do not pretend to defend Tribal rights or poaching. I think we all should have the same rights to hunt and fish, of course I am not a member of a tribe from Wa...... If we are truly a land of equal rights, then we should all have the same hunting rights!
Post by: WSU on January 28, 2010, 03:01:23 PM
Post by: colockumelk on January 28, 2010, 04:00:50 PM
Post by: colockumelk on January 28, 2010, 04:01:03 PM
Putting the various tribes on reservations was wrong. Giving them reparations is wrong. These two things have hurt the people of the various tribes far more than it has helped them. These two actions have created societies that are almost 100% dependent on the United States government for their wellbeing. Take the Yakama Nation for example. They see an unemployment rate that swings between 50-70%. Tell me they're not dependent on our state. How can we expect a society to do well or succeed in life when they are completely dependent on wellfare to make it? No wonder they are stuck in the past. If they don't bring it up people might forget and they could lose their livelihood ie their reparation money aka super wellfare.
If the various tribes expect to make it in this world the only way that is going to happen is if reparations go away. After all how long is our country expected to pay reparations? How many generations separated from our past are we expected to support? No matter the answer, until the people of the various tribes are expected to stand on their own reparations ie super wellfare has to go away. Now obviously you can't just yank a person's livelihood and pay check away if they've been receiving it their whole life. No you have to pick a date and anyone born after that date no longer receives their reparation money.
Since the time we put the first Indian Tribe on a reservation and provided them with free beef we have forced them to be reliant on our government. This has since evolved into the form of reparations. Whatever you want to call it free beef, wellfare, reparations it all sums up to one thing, and that is forcing and keeping a group of people reliant on the United States government.
The United States isn't the only country at blame. Most tribal members I have spoken to always bring up the past. Like I said earlier. Those who dwell on the past will never be able to succeed in life.
Post by: spikehunter on January 28, 2010, 04:43:30 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 28, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
How are we getting the good deal? We pay taxes, they don't. They get free money we have to work for our money. They get to hunt for free whenever, however wherever. We have to pay alot of money to hunt and we have very restrictive seasons. If we poach we go to jail. If they poach they get a slap on the wrist, if that. They get free housing, we have to pay for our mortgage that's IF we can get financing in today's market.
Ummmm... wrong I pay taxes....
Do Indians pay taxes?
All Indians are subject to federal income taxes. As sovereign entities, tribal governments have the power to levy taxes on reservation lands. Some tribes do and some don't. As a result, Indians and non-Indians may or may not pay sales taxes on goods and services purchased on the reservation depending on the tribe. However, whenever a member of an Indian tribe conducts business off the reservation, that person, like everyone else, pays both state and local taxes. State income taxes are not paid on reservation or trust lands
Post by: WSU on January 28, 2010, 05:11:33 PM
How are we getting the good deal? We pay taxes, they don't. They get free money we have to work for our money. They get to hunt for free whenever, however wherever. We have to pay alot of money to hunt and we have very restrictive seasons. If we poach we go to jail. If they poach they get a slap on the wrist, if that. They get free housing, we have to pay for our mortgage that's IF we can get financing in today's market.
Wrong. The do not get to hunt for free. As part of the treaties that we, the United States of America, executed with them, they reserved the right to hunt and fish. In exchange, we got all the land that you and I live, work, and play on. I would say the right to hunt and fish was pretty damn expensive. What do you think the State of Washington is worth these days?
Post by: gasman on January 28, 2010, 07:59:33 PM
:jacked:
Post by: whiteeyes on January 30, 2010, 09:42:06 AM
I'll go out on a limb on this one. Some will agree and some will disagree. :dunno:
Putting the various tribes on reservations was wrong. Giving them reparations is wrong. These two things have hurt the people of the various tribes far more than it has helped them. These two actions have created societies that are almost 100% dependent on the United States government for their wellbeing. Take the Yakama Nation for example. They see an unemployment rate that swings between 50-70%. Tell me they're not dependent on our state. How can we expect a society to do well or succeed in life when they are completely dependent on wellfare to make it? No wonder they are stuck in the past. If they don't bring it up people might forget and they could lose their livelihood ie their reparation money aka super wellfare.
If the various tribes expect to make it in this world the only way that is going to happen is if reparations go away. After all how long is our country expected to pay reparations? How many generations separated from our past are we expected to support? No matter the answer, until the people of the various tribes are expected to stand on their own reparations ie super wellfare has to go away. Now obviously you can't just yank a person's livelihood and pay check away if they've been receiving it their whole life. No you have to pick a date and anyone born after that date no longer receives their reparation money.
Since the time we put the first Indian Tribe on a reservation and provided them with free beef we have forced them to be reliant on our government. This has since evolved into the form of reparations. Whatever you want to call it free beef, wellfare, reparations it all sums up to one thing, and that is forcing and keeping a group of people reliant on the United States government.
The United States isn't the only country at blame. Most tribal members I have spoken to always bring up the past. Like I said earlier. Those who dwell on the past will never be able to succeed in life.
Just another Hypocrite thread. Indians do this they dont do that and everything and everyone off the res is soooo perfect. Take a look in the mirror of our own (off the res government) hmmm, welfare, illegals getting free SS and medical. School systems failing,drug gangs,cops being killed every week cash for clunkers blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: boneaddict on January 30, 2010, 10:17:06 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 30, 2010, 10:38:21 AM
...Just another Hypocrite thread. Indians do this they dont do that and everything and everyone off the res is soooo perfect. Take a look in the mirror of our own (off the res government) hmmm, welfare, illegals getting free SS and medical. School systems failing,drug gangs,cops being killed every week cash for clunkers blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just went and read your post history. Seems to be mostly just negative and provocative posts you make. Instead, why don't you add something of value regarding the issue?
Many here acknowledge some wrongs that were made years ago. Can you provide to us any information of late which will help with poaching in general? Do you have any insight as to why folks think the way some do about tribal poaching? You have an inside look at what is going on? Can you share with us?
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2010, 07:14:48 AM
They lost we won, the strong survive. Was our ancestors supposed to turn around and go back when they encountered Indians? Funny they don't want to bring up Kennewick man... maby they weren't here first, either way it doesn't matter. They Lost the war.How are we getting the good deal? We pay taxes, they don't. They get free money we have to work for our money. They get to hunt for free whenever, however wherever. We have to pay alot of money to hunt and we have very restrictive seasons. If we poach we go to jail. If they poach they get a slap on the wrist, if that. They get free housing, we have to pay for our mortgage that's IF we can get financing in today's market.
Wrong. The do not get to hunt for free. As part of the treaties that we, the United States of America, executed with them, they reserved the right to hunt and fish. In exchange, we got all the land that you and I live, work, and play on. I would say the right to hunt and fish was pretty damn expensive. What do you think the State of Washington is worth these days?
Post by: colockumelk on February 01, 2010, 09:14:25 AM
I'll go out on a limb on this one. Some will agree and some will disagree. :dunno:
Putting the various tribes on reservations was wrong. Giving them reparations is wrong. These two things have hurt the people of the various tribes far more than it has helped them. These two actions have created societies that are almost 100% dependent on the United States government for their wellbeing. Take the Yakama Nation for example. They see an unemployment rate that swings between 50-70%. Tell me they're not dependent on our state. How can we expect a society to do well or succeed in life when they are completely dependent on wellfare to make it? No wonder they are stuck in the past. If they don't bring it up people might forget and they could lose their livelihood ie their reparation money aka super wellfare.
If the various tribes expect to make it in this world the only way that is going to happen is if reparations go away. After all how long is our country expected to pay reparations? How many generations separated from our past are we expected to support? No matter the answer, until the people of the various tribes are expected to stand on their own reparations ie super wellfare has to go away. Now obviously you can't just yank a person's livelihood and pay check away if they've been receiving it their whole life. No you have to pick a date and anyone born after that date no longer receives their reparation money.
Since the time we put the first Indian Tribe on a reservation and provided them with free beef we have forced them to be reliant on our government. This has since evolved into the form of reparations. Whatever you want to call it free beef, wellfare, reparations it all sums up to one thing, and that is forcing and keeping a group of people reliant on the United States government.
The United States isn't the only country at blame. Most tribal members I have spoken to always bring up the past. Like I said earlier. Those who dwell on the past will never be able to succeed in life.
Just another Hypocrite thread. Indians do this they dont do that and everything and everyone off the res is soooo perfect. Take a look in the mirror of our own (off the res government) hmmm, welfare, illegals getting free SS and medical. School systems failing,drug gangs,cops being killed every week cash for clunkers blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whiteeyes and WSU thank you so much for making my point for me. If you want to talk about the past fine I'll talk about the history of this great country. My ancestors were whole heartedly slaughtered and forced to change their religion and customs. But you don't see me pissing and moaning about what the Romans did to the Germanic tribes do you? If anything the Romans were fare more brutal than America was to the Indians. Because unlike the Indians who died off from disease, the Germanic tribes were largely killed off by fire and a steel blade.
In any case America didn't do anything to the Indians that they weren't doing to each other. But people like you and the Indians like to forget that part. You like to pretend that it was all puppies and rainbows before the evil whiteman came. If either of you knew your history you would know that far more Indians were killed by disease than by bullets. In fact if you look up your history between the time the Spanish sent an expedition in 1539 to 1542 led by Hernando De Soto and the first English Colonies in the early 1600's 90% of the Native Indians died because of disease.
If you look at his reports and those of De Vaca they speak of huge Indian cities and huge bands of warriors. But because the Indians didn't have any immunity to Eurasian diseases then massive epidemics ravaged the country. In fact a Spanish expedition to the Puget Sound area found areas with massive amounts of bones. These bones were from the people who died of disease. Because you see when the majority of your friends are dieing you there are not enough people to bury them. But people like you like to forget that most people died through disease. Instead you cite a few instances of tragic events. Events which neither side was innocent.
The other thing that "drained" Indians of their numbers was assimilation into a modern society. You see anytime a society is more modern and has an easier life people are naturally drawn to that society. So when Indians saw this technologically advanced society that was light years ahead of their own technology (ie the wheel, metalergy, written language etc) they began to become a part of that society. And rightfully so.
I've heard time and time again how "the evil white man" stole my peoples way of life. How is that. We won a war. The Indians were forced to somewhat adapt or be completely left behind. I doubt anyone would trade todays technology and ease of life for how Indians were forced to scrape out a living before "the evil white man came." You can't have both. It's either come into the 21st century with us and live under our rules and laws or fine live under your laws and customs but go back to pre-Columbian era technology. Meaning no metal of any sort, no wheels no horses etc.
No one is talking about taking anyones traditions or religion. All were saying is it's the 21st CENTURY!!! Act like it. Enough with the discrimination. Because if you don't think that what is happening is discriminatory then you are very naive and/or have a very narrow biased opinion.
FYI here is the definition of discrimination. Tell me if this doesn't sum up what's happening.
DISCRIMINATION: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 01, 2010, 12:58:24 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 01, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
Post by: chrisb on February 01, 2010, 04:19:17 PM
Colokumelk, how dare you go to that length and post such a reply. What are you trying to do, make sense of things? Well written and matches my feelings on the subject, thank you.
I agree, we can't go around having logic and factual information here. After all this is the internet!
Post by: boneaddict on February 01, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Loved the last part the best. Nicely worded. Send that to gregwhore would ya?
Post by: bonkellekter on February 01, 2010, 05:34:23 PM
thanks for the post
Post by: trophyhunt on February 02, 2010, 07:04:47 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 02, 2010, 07:26:15 AM
I wonder if the right people are reading this thread, i would guess not because they haven't pulled it yet. Again beautifully written.
What are you talking about?
Post by: colockumelk on February 02, 2010, 07:55:29 AM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 02, 2010, 08:25:27 AM
Post by: pat2bear on February 02, 2010, 08:29:54 AM
WDFW on lookout for elk poachers
February 1, 2010 by Scott Sandsberry
The latest in a series of elk-poaching incidents near the Clover Springs elk feeding site has Washington
Department of Fish and Wildlife enforcement officials looking for assistance.
Do you know someone who has recently come home with, begun showing around or started bragging about a fresh new set of what are probably some pretty big elk antlers?
On the night of Sunday, Jan. 23, someone shot and killed a large bull elk near the Clover Springs site, which is along Clover Springs (1600) Road off Nile Loop Road.
The bull must have been a pretty impressive rack of antlers, too, because the poachers simply chain-sawed the antlers off, took them and left the body lying there.
WDFW enforcement Capt. Rich Mann said WDFW staffers or volunteers were at the site until 4:30 p.m. that day, so the poaching must have taken place sometime after that. Snow that night also covered all of the vehicle tracks.
Typically, poaching around any feed site is reported by people in the area, Mann said.
“The locals kind of watch the area, but nobody happened to see that one. We’ve had really good support, but on this one we don’t have anything on it.”
Anyone with any information is asked to call the state’s confidential poaching hotline at 1-877-WDFW-TIP (877-933-9847), or the regional WDFW enforcement office at 509-457-9315.
Clover Springs is just one of a half-dozen places in which volunteers with the WDFW provide winter feed to help the animals through the coldest months of the year.
In two different poaching incidents on Jan. 16 and a third on Jan. 23, nearby residents or passersby reported the violations, and Mann expects the county to file charges in each case.
In another case in December, a Yakima man killed a large, 7-by-7 branch-antlered bull in the Cowiche Mountain area, and prosecutors are expecting to file charges on that one as well.
The Clover Springs site has endured a higher incidence of poaching, Mann said, because it’s more remote than some of the other feed-site areas around Central Washington.
“If you compare it to our other feeding sites, it’s out of the way. It doesn’t have a lot of public around it,” Mann said. “(The main feed lot at) Oak Creek is extremely visible. If somebody went in and shot an animal there, the public would probably mob them.”
Post by: pat2bear on February 02, 2010, 08:38:39 AM
Post by: Raul Duke on February 02, 2010, 09:49:38 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 02, 2010, 12:37:10 PM
I'm talking about the last time indian poaching was being talked about, the site was pulled. The guys that run the site said we were being racist.I wonder if the right people are reading this thread, i would guess not because they haven't pulled it yet. Again beautifully written.
What are you talking about?
Post by: trophyhunt on February 02, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 02, 2010, 03:23:22 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 03, 2010, 05:27:20 AM
I'm talking about the last time indian poaching was being talked about, the site was pulled. The guys that run the site said we were being racist.I wonder if the right people are reading this thread, i would guess not because they haven't pulled it yet. Again beautifully written.
What are you talking about?
We aren't going to "pull it" just because tribal issues are part of the discussion here...
Post by: TheKid#10 on February 04, 2010, 07:32:57 PM
Every other country in the modern world overtook someone or something to be who and where they are today. But only in the US are there nations within a nation. Wake up America/Congress. :twocents:
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on February 04, 2010, 08:01:41 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on February 04, 2010, 08:05:25 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on February 04, 2010, 08:25:24 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 04, 2010, 08:26:15 PM
We should start a Hall of fame for great posts...any nominees?
Post by: mulehunter on February 04, 2010, 08:31:39 PM
We should start a Hall of fame for great posts...any nominees?
:yeah:
Mulehunter
Post by: Kowsrule30 on February 04, 2010, 08:39:35 PM
We should start a Hall of fame for great posts...any nominees?
:yeah:
Mulehunter
^^^ X2 ;)
Post by: bobcat on February 04, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
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It appears that what was intended by that treaty was that the Native tribes, when off of reservation land, were afforded the rights and opportunities that every citizen held at the time. That land was open to hunting and fishing for all, was it not? Therefore, it was not necessarily a special or preferred status awarded that the common citizen of the US was also not afforded. Now that the common citizens of today find the same opportunities and rights that existed 150 years ago are different for the common good on that same land, it must be argued that a new and special right is currently being awarded to hunt and fish as they please when off the reservation.
The term "unclaimed land" is also vague and open to interpretation. An argument could be made that the State of Oregon, and thus ALL of its legal constituents, claimed that land when Oregon became a state in 1859. Thus there is no "unclaimed land" left for which a new and special right could even be offered. Those two ideas do not even begin to address what a treaty is and how long they function to govern the affairs of men. Are they forever? Or are they constructed for a era or point in time during the long history of mankind? Do we still trade with Britain according to treaties from the Revolutionary War era? Do we use only the Magna Carta as our basis for the rights of every man? Or do cultures change and grow, and the laws of man must evolve also? Something to consider.
There is no doubt that Native Americans were treated poorly in most cases. Of that there can be no argument. But the sins of past generations and the emotions that they engender cannot be the singular basis for how men are to be governed today. Clearly reason, logic, common sense, and a promotion of the common good must enter the debate.
Post by: TheKid#10 on February 05, 2010, 09:12:57 AM
KID
Post by: Sawbuck on February 07, 2010, 01:52:50 PM
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Post by: Kowsrule30 on February 07, 2010, 02:23:53 PM
Post by: huntergreg on February 07, 2010, 02:55:22 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 08, 2010, 10:07:50 AM
Post by: remington300mag on February 08, 2010, 02:01:51 PM
"he had me at hello".
Loved the last part the best. Nicely worded. Send that to gregwhore would ya?
........He Called her GREGWHORE!!!!! LMAO :chuckle: :bow: :whoo:
Post by: colockumelk on February 08, 2010, 02:20:05 PM
–verb (used with object) 4. Obsolete. to make a whore of; corrupt; debauch.
So yeah it kind of fits. :chuckle:
Post by: MissinCaliBlacktails on February 13, 2010, 07:15:58 PM
:yeah: I think everyone who are trying to blame the tribal members need to quit being so racist! :bash: Wether they are white or black or Native American doesn't matter they are individuals that need to be prosecuted for poaching a big game animal out of season :yike:
I think they are blaming the tribal members because it is the tribal members in that area that are doing the poaching :dunno: