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Title: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: aer212 on February 07, 2010, 04:45:12 PM: On my way home Saturday at 12:15 am I was cruising down the road and I saw a rabbit hop across the road. Didn't think much of it but then about 15-20 yards further I saw a cougar crossing the center line in the road into my lane. I swerved to the right and had just enough time to think WOW, I barely missed it when I felt a jolt. I drive a mega cab dodge and it had run into the mega cab door and scraped along till it hit the fender flare and tore it off. Not sure if the tire ran it over or not but anyway I stopped and turned around and went to look at it. It was dead and bloody, ended up on the white line on the right side of the road. My brother and I looked at it for a while then since there was no cell service, I stayed there and he went back till he had service and called 911. They said ok we'll notify fish and game and took down his name and number. Then we headed out. My question is how do I go about getting ahold of the cat? Can I call fish and game and ask them if I can have it? Will they even pick it up? I sent them an email and am waiting for a reply. I have pictures also if anyone wants to tell me how to post them.
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Post by: Houndhunter on February 07, 2010, 05:05:14 PM: pretty sure if its in season and you got a tag you can take it, but you gotaa notch your tag
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Bob33 on February 07, 2010, 05:13:15 PM: "4. Wildlife Found Dead:
You may remove and dispose of wildlife found
dead on your property or an adjoining public
roadway, but you must first notify WDFW. Dead
wildlife can only be removed for disposal, not for
personal use or consumption.
(WAC 246.203.121)"
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Axle on February 07, 2010, 06:50:56 PM: Quote
My question is how do I go about getting ahold of the cat?

Lay hands on it - don't pray for it to come back to life - throw it in the back of your truck - take it home - skin it - put tag on it.

You may be unorthodoxed in your method, but you got yourself a cat dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Houndhunter on February 07, 2010, 06:59:34 PM: its legal to throw a tag on deer hit by a car so im pretty sure itd be ok with a lion :dunno:
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: rainshadow1 on February 07, 2010, 07:25:03 PM: Call F&W via the local state patrol and keep pushing buttons until you get a live person who will take a call back request. Get in touch with the Game warden who responded/took the report and ask. Tell them you're willing to tag it.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: aer212 on February 07, 2010, 07:30:42 PM: Thanks, someone is going to post some pics soon. It was about 15-20 miles south of Toppenish in Yakima indian reservation. Will that make any difference? Also does anyone know which department responds here? Or a phone number to contact them?
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: markts on February 07, 2010, 07:51:17 PM: Nice cat. Here they are.Mark
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: rougheye on February 07, 2010, 07:54:21 PM: Nice kitty , hope you can find away to keep it :)
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: tony04 on February 07, 2010, 08:01:45 PM: if you left it there in plain view id say its gone by now.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on February 07, 2010, 08:02:18 PM: Sorry dude you can not keep it. My cousin hit one two years ago and called WDFW. They made him bring it down so they could look at it. They did a very good job of looking all over the cat and finally my cousin asked what they were looking for. They said bullet holes. After they said that throughout the state about two cats are killed by cars per year. The rest have bullet holes plus tire tracks and arrests are made. They would not let him keep the cat as it is illegal to remove wildlife from a public roadway.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Bob33 on February 07, 2010, 08:06:16 PM: Officer, my poor little kitty Zoe just got run over. I know she looks large, but we recently put her on a diet. She's just a big fluffy love ball. My wife and little daughter haven't stopped crying. Please let me take her home so we can bury her and have some closure.

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Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Basket Rack on February 07, 2010, 08:56:57 PM: I saw one ran over this past christmas morning on I-5, just south of Kalama about a mile south of where the old Madill shop is. Just a small cat maybe 50 pounds. Definitely not something you see everyday.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2010, 05:52:20 AM: If you wanted it, you should have thrown it in the back and did as mentioned above. By trying to follow the law, I'm sure you lost it, ESPECIALLY since it was on reservation. I see know way to legally obtain it.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 06:04:04 AM: Wow, kind of strange that a site so full of law abiding citizens would advise a guy to break the law so quickly. Just so you know if you take it, you have broken the law. Sounds like there may be more than a few poachers on this site, they use that same method, run em over, throw em in the back of the rig. Ah what the hell, as long as your not an Indian poacher, its cool. :dunno: :dunno:
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: ICEMAN on February 08, 2010, 06:22:05 AM: Quote from: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 06:04:04 AM
Wow, kind of strange that a site so full of law abiding citizens would advise a guy to break the law so quickly. Just so you know if you take it, you have broken the law. Sounds like there may be more than a few poachers on this site, they use that same method, run em over, throw em in the back of the rig. Ah what the hell, as long as your not an Indian poacher, its cool. :dunno: :dunno:

Mudeater, lets not start calling guys on here "poachers". Obviously there is some confusion regarding the law. Lets let this play out and see what comes of it.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on February 08, 2010, 06:50:42 AM: Really Ice- I have to disagree with you on this on. Call any game warden in the state at any time of year and you will get the same response- it is illegal to take roadkill in WA. I will go and find it in the regs for you and post it.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: KillBilly on February 08, 2010, 06:56:29 AM: Quote from: shoot-em-dead on February 08, 2010, 06:50:42 AM
Really Ice- I have to disagree with you on this on. Call any game warden in the state at any time of year and you will get the same response- it is illegal to take roadkill in WA. I will go and find it in the regs for you and post it.

2nd warning...

Back up...nobody broke a law here. there has been discussion and that is all. Nobody is guilty of poaching based on opinions whether in humor or as a question.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on February 08, 2010, 07:11:18 AM: Thanks Miles- As far as I can tell nobody broke any laws or poached anything. I actually would compliment aer212 for doing what was right by contacting WDFW.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: bucklucky on February 08, 2010, 08:52:39 AM: I know Im not supposed to take in any animal that has been hit by a vehicle because picking up roadkill is illegal. Thats what I understand?? Now I also thought that if there was an animal hit in front of your house you could dispose of it ?? Not positive on either. It would be nice to know for sure. I have turned away several critters over the years (coons mainly) because they were roadkills.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Bob33 on February 08, 2010, 09:09:11 AM: Quote from: bucklucky on February 08, 2010, 08:52:39 AM
I know Im not supposed to take in any animal that has been hit by a vehicle because picking up roadkill is illegal. Thats what I understand?? Now I also thought that if there was an animal hit in front of your house you could dispose of it ?? Not positive on either. It would be nice to know for sure. I have turned away several critters over the years (coons mainly) because they were roadkills.
The law is quoted earlier in this post.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: aer212 on February 08, 2010, 09:51:07 AM: Just got off the phone with f&w. They don't even have it, seems that the cops forgot to tell them. I ended up telling them the whole story and they said that I can't have it anyway. They said sometimes they will give away elk or deer meat to keep the meat from going to waste but won't give me the cougar. I doubt its still there anyway, I left it exactly as it was in the pictures.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: C-Money on February 08, 2010, 10:33:11 AM: Sadly, aer212 you did the right thing. Its to bad you could not have made a rug or something out of the lion. I think we all know the guys on here are not going out to run game animals over to posses game animals. That thought is inaccurate. Especially not in a Dodge mega cab.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Bob33 on February 08, 2010, 10:43:44 AM: Sad, but the few that violate hurt everyone. If they allow people to keep roadkill, "roadkill" will increase. If they allow people to keep found deer/elk skulls with antlers, poaching will increase.

That is the sad reality.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: steeleywhopper on February 08, 2010, 10:45:55 AM: Right now some lucky guy is skinning out a Cougar that he found on the side of the road, and he's saying "I can't believe someone would just leave that there and not pick it up".
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2010, 10:49:51 AM: aer212, just curious what you would have done with it if you had been able to keep it?
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: bucklucky on February 08, 2010, 11:17:20 AM: Quote from: Bob33 on February 07, 2010, 05:13:15 PM
"4. Wildlife Found Dead:
You may remove and dispose of wildlife found
dead on your property or an adjoining public
roadway, but you must first notify WDFW. Dead
wildlife can only be removed for disposal, not for
personal use or consumption.
(WAC 246.203.121)"

I looked right over the top of it. Thanks ;)
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: aer212 on February 08, 2010, 11:37:21 AM: Quote from: bobcat on February 08, 2010, 10:49:51 AM
aer212, just curious what you would have done with it if you had been able to keep it?

Rug or full mount. It really wasn't in too bad of shape. Had some missing fur spots but really not bad.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2010, 11:38:13 AM: Call me a poacher if you like, but if I ever accidentally hit a cougar with my truck, I'm thowing it in the bed of the truck and keeping it. I'd at least want something to ease the pain of paying the deductable on the auto insurance.

Good for you Aer212 for doing the right thing under the law.........to bad you have damage on your truck. And congrats on taking out a deer/elk/sheep/etc. killer. :tup: I wish more cougars would just commit suicide.... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: KillBilly on February 08, 2010, 11:46:48 AM: Quote from: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 06:04:04 AM
Wow, kind of strange that a site so full of law abiding citizens would advise a guy to break the law so quickly. Just so you know if you take it, you have broken the law. Sounds like there may be more than a few poachers on this site, they use that same method, run em over, throw em in the back of the rig. Ah what the hell, as long as your not an Indian poacher, its cool. :dunno: :dunno:

For those of you that missed what Iceman and I saw, see the above. It appears that based on opinion or humor, Mudeater is accusing folks on this site of being Poachers......the 2nd warning was in general that we should leave poaching out of the topic, it was not pointed at anyone specific.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: rainshadow1 on February 08, 2010, 12:36:24 PM: I'd find out what's going to happen to it, or did, if something "official" happened to it... Being tribal might change things, but oftentimes you can eventually buy them from DFW at auction or something. (Never done it, but heard that.) I know the Yakima Tribal ADC guy, he's good people. Don't know if he'd have any clout to do anything about it though. (They have tons of Cougar on the res., lots of livestock and pet predation there.)
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Gobble Gobble on February 08, 2010, 01:18:07 PM: Non Yakima tribal members cannot hunt fur bearing mammals on tribal land (no coyotes :( ). So even if the law said he could keep what he hit it happened on tribal land making it illegal for him to take. It belongs to the Yakima Nations now. Highway 97 may be state road but it's on tribal land. Ever see all the signs saying only tribal members may go past this sign on the side reads. If you ain't Yakima you can't leave the highway under tribal regulations.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 04:58:26 PM: #1- The regs are very clear on this. #2- I, at no time did I say, for example, Killybilly is a poacher, so I accused no one. #3- funny how when some on this site automatically start accusing the Indians as a race,( and there are more than a few Indians on this site), of being poachers for taking game in accordance with the law, the mods stay quite. . #4- More than one individual has said they would break the law and take the animal, so what would you call it? you know, just so I can be stay P.C. :dunno: :dunno: I'm not trying to start any crap here, but if you want to chastise me for something I did not say or do, you damn well better chastise folks for knowingly addvising others on this site to break the law. Have a great day. Mudeater.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: C-Money on February 08, 2010, 05:10:48 PM: Hey Mudeater, Hope you enjoy this site as much as I do. I do feel that the threads on here are for enjoyment and for plain old talking among other hunters. Some say things that they may or may not do. I do feel that most people would have probably left the cat lay there and followed the rules. But me, I just take things said here as friendly talk, and I have got a good feel on my BS meter on most of the people that frequent this site. A little advise, maybe relax a little and get to know the folks here. I am looking forward to reading more of your posts.
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Post by: markts on February 08, 2010, 06:11:00 PM: :yeah: Couldnt agree more. From what I read people said hang your tag on it. Right or wrong I dont know. If it tore the side off of my truck I would have tagged and bagged it. Arrest me. :twocents: Mark
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 06:14:54 PM: C-Money, I do enjoy this site immensely, however I wont compromise my ethics just to be P.C. If someone here thinks I accused them of being a poacher, reread my post. I stand by my statement, as some still say they would break the law,and they say this publicly on this forum! If accepting that type of behavior is what is required to get along here,and it seems that's what I'm being told, well then I have to rethink my membership here. And if I dont tell you here what I think and belive and wont accept,such as unlawful and unethical hunting practices, how will you ever get to know me. Regards Mudeater.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Skycruiser on February 08, 2010, 06:58:28 PM: Quote from: Axle on February 07, 2010, 06:50:56 PM
Lay hands on it - don't pray for it to come back to life - throw it in the back of your truck - take it home - skin it - put tag on it.

FAST!!! Illegal? Maybe technically. Unethical? No

The law can't make anything unethical any more than it can make things ethical. It's a matter of right and wrong. The public, the Indians or the cougar will not suffer any loss if aer212 takes the thing home. In reality, the hide may go to waste if he doesn't. That would be a greater loss.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 08, 2010, 07:20:48 PM: Into the back of the truck and away we go..
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 08, 2010, 07:50:24 PM: For those of you that do not know for a taxidermist to legally bring a cougar into our shop it must be sealed. In order to seal it it must be presented to WDFW. They are going to examine the hide. What are you going to tell them when they say "Where is the bullet/broad head hole?"

Well officer I jumped out of a tree and beat it to death with a base ball bat! :P

So now I want to know are you taking the cougar to save the meat or just the hide?

If you think you are going to save the hide than you better be taking it to a taxidermist who is not licensed and doesn't care to have an illegal animal at there place or you better learn how to do your own tanning. If you think your going to mount it and get a good job all I have to say is good luck.
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Post by: Curly on February 08, 2010, 07:53:09 PM: I would have eaten it.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Aneoakleaf on February 08, 2010, 07:59:08 PM: AER212,.....Is the season open for hunting cougars in that area??

FORGET that cat...This is February!! where there's one cat there will be 2....If you want a cat go back there and call in one! :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: ICEMAN on February 08, 2010, 08:00:41 PM: Quote from: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 04:58:26 PM
#1- The regs are very clear on this. #2- I, at no time did I say, for example, Killybilly is a poacher, so I accused no one. #3- funny how when some on this site automatically start accusing the Indians as a race,( and there are more than a few Indians on this site), of being poachers for taking game in accordance with the law, the mods stay quite. . #4- More than one individual has said they would break the law and take the animal, so what would you call it? you know, just so I can be stay P.C. :dunno: :dunno: I'm not trying to start any crap here, but if you want to chastise me for something I did not say or do, you damn well better chastise folks for knowingly addvising others on this site to break the law. Have a great day. Mudeater.

Mudeater, my point was this: you posted commentary below 11 others guys posts, and claimed that there there must be a lot of poachers on here..... Maybe it is just me, but that sounds like you are referring to someone who posted above you in the thread.

As you know, we all take the term "poacher" very seriously around here, and try not to label anyone with it if possible. Guys often post discussion which is off the cuff, or how they feel at the moment. No need to quickly jump up and label them as a poacher in my opinion.

We want to hear everyones viewpoint, including yours. My comment was not to stifle your speech, but rather encourage folks to wait and see what answer is determined from the discussion and research.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 08:01:41 PM: Quote from: Skycruiser on February 08, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: Axle on February 07, 2010, 06:50:56 PM
Lay hands on it - don't pray for it to come back to life - throw it in the back of your truck - take it home - skin it - put tag on it.

FAST!!! Illegal? Maybe technically. Unethical? No

So you have found an ethical way to break the law? and just what is a technical law? Is it only the technical laws that you can ethically violate? Or can you ethically violate any old law? You seem to be an authority on ethics and the law, so please explain so we can all have the advantage of knowing how to skirt around all these pesky laws?
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 08:20:43 PM: Quote from: ICEMAN on February 08, 2010, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 04:58:26 PM
#1- The regs are very clear on this. #2- I, at no time did I say, for example, Killybilly is a poacher, so I accused no one. #3- funny how when some on this site automatically start accusing the Indians as a race,( and there are more than a few Indians on this site), of being poachers for taking game in accordance with the law, the mods stay quite. . #4- More than one individual has said they would break the law and take the animal, so what would you call it? you know, just so I can be stay P.C. :dunno: :dunno: I'm not trying to start any crap here, but if you want to chastise me for something I did not say or do, you damn well better chastise folks for knowingly addvising others on this site to break the law. Have a great day. Mudeater.

Mudeater, my point was this: you posted commentary below 11 others guys posts, and claimed that there there must be a lot of poachers on here..... Maybe it is just me, but that sounds like you are referring to someone who posted above you in the thread.

As you know, we all take the term "poacher" very seriously around here, and try not to label anyone with it if possible. Guys often post discussion which is off the cuff, or how they feel at the moment. No need to quickly jump up and label them as a poacher in my opinion.

We want to hear everyones viewpoint, including yours. My comment was not to stifle your speech, but rather encourage folks to wait and see what answer is determined from the discussion and research.
Thank you for clarifying, but seriously, the word poacher is thrown out like a first name if Indian was in the topic and not towards an individual but as a race, so how serious is the word again? I am asking you this as an Indian that has never poached a thing in my life and knows the laws I hunt under, the same ones you do. Can you imagine the response here if, I told other Indians, that are on this site that its ok and ethical to violate the hunting laws of this state? Like in the way some here are still advocating breaking the game laws of this state, because after all its not unethical. Regards Mudeater
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2010, 08:36:14 PM: It is a good law to not allow taking of road kill. I'm sure the intent of the law is to keep guys from running down animals and claiming it was an accident. However, if a guy really accidentally hits and kills an animal, it really is a shame not to get something out of wrecking your vehicle. I wouldn't blame anyone for taking the animal.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: ICEMAN on February 08, 2010, 08:52:27 PM: Like we have discussed before with found big game skulls with antlers attached....too bad there is no provision where you can contact wildlife, retain the find for later inspection.... I really doubt poachers will expose themselves to this degree of inspection from law enforcement, I feel that good guys could claim items legally, and I feel that nothing would go to waste then....
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: rainshadow1 on February 08, 2010, 10:04:44 PM: Quote from: Skycruiser on February 08, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: Axle on February 07, 2010, 06:50:56 PM
Lay hands on it - don't pray for it to come back to life - throw it in the back of your truck - take it home - skin it - put tag on it.

FAST!!! Illegal? Maybe technically. Unethical? No

The law can't make anything unethical any more than it can make things ethical. It's a matter of right and wrong. The public, the Indians or the cougar will not suffer any loss if aer212 takes the thing home. In reality, the hide may go to waste if he doesn't. That would be a greater loss.

The way I see it, there's 3 standards of conduct, Legal, Moral, and Ethical.
Legal is based on the laws, as they're written, in the locale where I live. Don't like it? Lobby to get them changed.
Moral and Ethical are lines drawn alongside the standard I've chosen to live my life by.

This is one of the few situations where it is definatley not legal, but it is moral and ethical.

The standard I've chosen to live my life by says that as long as the laws aren't forcing me to go against God, then I'm to follow them, even if they're stupid. All 3 standards of conduct must be in play. They all have to be satisfied.

Can't do it. SHOULD be allowed to, and it's a shame and a waste not to... but I have to respect the law also.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Skycruiser on February 08, 2010, 10:06:20 PM: Quote from: Skycruiser on February 08, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
Illegal? Maybe technically. Unethical? No

The law can't make anything unethical any more than it can make things ethical. It's a matter of right and wrong. The public, the Indians or the cougar will not suffer any loss if aer212 takes the thing home. In reality, the hide may go to waste if he doesn't. That would be a greater loss.

Sorry, Mudeater, I expanded on my post but not before you saw it. Please don't confuse the law with ethics. Jesus reproached those who were followers only of the letter of the law, not the spirit of the law.

Oftentimes judges will make prudent exceptions to the law. Sometimes judges are not available and we must be our own judges.

I'm sure the next time you are pulled over by a policeman, you will find yourself hoping that he is a "spirit of the law" type and not the other.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: boneaddict on February 09, 2010, 06:01:18 AM: Rainshadow nailed it. Well said. I am hoping mudeater you didn't think I was suggesting for him to break the law, I was trying to make a point that there was no way to legally obtain it, on the Rez or not, PERIOD.

Ironic thing is I hit a black angus, HAD TO PAY for the meat and still didn't get any of it. :chuckle:

Michelles and Charlies poitns are also good. There would be no way to get your cat legally taxidermied. You'd have to shoot it and haul it into the WDFW to have it sealed. Granted, they probably wouldn't notice how you killed it, but......
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: sako223 on February 09, 2010, 08:03:00 AM: No way to take it legally, would have to haul it off the res then tag it. I would not have left it in the roadway for someone else to pick up, nor would I inform the WDFW.
I had a friend at work who hit a deer, killed it and damaged his vehicle. On the way home he stopped at the WDFW just to inform them. They wrote him a citation. Can't remember the amount but it was a hundred or two. Not only did he kick himself but he was pissed.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2010, 08:07:19 AM: Quote from: sako223 on February 09, 2010, 08:03:00 AM
I had a friend at work who hit a deer, killed it and damaged his vehicle. On the way home he stopped at the WDFW just to inform them. They wrote him a citation. Can't remember the amount but it was a hundred or two. Not only did he kick himself but he was pissed.

A citation for WHAT ???
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: sako223 on February 09, 2010, 08:39:39 AM: Quote
A citation for WHAT Huh?

Wish I could remember the technical reason for the citation but it was much like hitting a ranchers cow. It was considered wasting state resources and there was a value for each species. Never heard of it til then or since.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: sisu on February 09, 2010, 09:10:22 AM: Quote from: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 06:04:04 AM
Wow, kind of strange that a site so full of law abiding citizens would advise a guy to break the law so quickly. Just so you know if you take it, you have broken the law. Sounds like there may be more than a few poachers on this site, they use that same method, run em over, throw em in the back of the rig. Ah what the hell, as long as your not an Indian poacher, its cool. :dunno: :dunno:
As much as I hate the road kill law in Washington State Mudeater is right. You can't take the critter and yes we as members should not advise someone to break a law no matter how stupid that law may be in regards to fish and game.
Anyone that does so is not being very ethical in my personal opinion. Please keep your comments civil and polite this is not a Bill of Rights issue but a simple question of is this poaching if I do this or not. It is poaching sorry to say if you do indeed collect the kitty.
Title: Re: Cougar hit, any way I can have it?
Post by: Jeremy S on February 24, 2010, 11:35:54 AM: Letting it go to waste seems unethical to me. :dunno:
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Post by: bucklucky on February 24, 2010, 01:02:08 PM: The law is the law ;)
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Post by: colockumelk on February 25, 2010, 12:45:56 PM: Quote from: Mudeater on February 08, 2010, 08:01:41 PM
So you have found an ethical way to break the law? and just what is a technical law? Is it only the technical laws that you can ethically violate? Or can you ethically violate any old law? You seem to be an authority on ethics and the law, so please explain so we can all have the advantage of knowing how to skirt around all these pesky laws?
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Mudeater I think what they were trying to say is that just because it's lawful doesn't mean it's ethical. Remember some cultures have different ethics. An example (and I'm not trying to compare the two) would be in the Middle East it is lawfull to beat a woman. According to their ethical standards this is okay. In America we are completely against this and are aghast at the thought of it being legally okay. To our ethical standards this is not okay.

Under the Jim Crow laws in the south it was legally acceptable to only allow whites into restaurants etc. Discrimination was legally okay. In the Northern states this was unethical and not kosher.

Now here is what we are trying to get at. Legally you can not take that cougar off of the road. This is the law, however, it goes against the ethics of most hunters which is to not waste any animal killed. While leaving the animal was the legally right thing to do it was ethically wrong.

As for your reference to "Indian Poachers" many can't think of a different term. Because while it may not be legally "poaching" ethically it IS "poaching" While it may be legally right for a Yakama man to kill six branch bulls in the Colockum in one year to us this is ethically jacked up and goes against everything sportsman and fair chase stand for. Especially when most wait 6-10 years for the chance to shoot one bull elk.
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Post by: Curly on February 25, 2010, 12:50:30 PM: :yeah:

Well said, Colock.
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Post by: KimberRich on February 25, 2010, 01:27:23 PM: Quote from: Curly on February 08, 2010, 11:38:13 AM
Call me a poacher if you like, but if I ever accidentally hit a cougar with my truck, I'm thowing it in the bed of the truck and keeping it. I'd at least want something to ease the pain of paying the deductable on the auto insurance.

Good for you Aer212 for doing the right thing under the law.........to bad you have damage on your truck. And congrats on taking out a deer/elk/sheep/etc. killer. :tup: I wish more cougars would just commit suicide.... :chuckle:

:yeah:
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Post by: Ranger91298 on February 25, 2010, 05:18:00 PM: I think its great to have disagreements or things will never change for the better...just silly to make things personal or degrading towards another race... :twocents:
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Post by: Rudy on February 25, 2010, 06:02:31 PM: :yeah: well said Ranger
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Post by: mulehunter on February 25, 2010, 08:46:52 PM: If you saw 10 dollar on road would you leave it to waste? Would you call Police tell them I found 10 dollar. Can I take it? ??? I dont care if ANYONE drove over Cougars or picked!

Mulehunter :)
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Post by: h2ofowlr on February 25, 2010, 09:01:43 PM: If it is killed during the season in which you hold a tag, I believe you can tag it at that time by using your tag. The rule stated at the beginning of this post applies to those that do not have a tag and to try to keep people from purposely running down game. Many states offer across the counter road kill tags. Years back a lady hit a deer by Kiggens Bowl in downtown Vancouver, WA. It was during deer season, which is unit 564 any deer. The office let my buddy use his tag on it and he helped us load it in the back of the rig. It had some blood shot in the neck and two broken legs other than that it was in great shape. :dunno:
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Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2010, 06:04:25 AM: Either way, a dead cougar is a good cougar and it's not a waste to leave it lying dead on the side of a road, because they're not good for anything anyway. Unless a guy wants to spend hundreds of dollars to do something with the hide. Which I wouldn't. I'd spend the money on a new rifle before I'd have a road kill cougar mounted.
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Post by: MADMAX on February 26, 2010, 06:37:57 AM: Trust me its gone by now
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Post by: Tony 270WSM on February 26, 2010, 07:01:19 AM: Why call 911? Was there an emergency? Were you injured?
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Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 26, 2010, 10:08:59 AM: Quote from: bobcat on February 26, 2010, 06:04:25 AM
Either way, a dead cougar is a good cougar and it's not a waste to leave it lying dead on the side of a road, because they're not good for anything anyway.

Everyone that I have ever talked to has eaten the cougar they killed. So yeah cougars are good for something.
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Post by: Gobble Gobble on February 26, 2010, 01:10:29 PM: I've eaten cougar killed this season and it was a nice white meat that was similar to pork. I'd eat it again in a heart beat.