Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 15, 2010, 05:04:18 PM
I will say that I am absolutely floored by how well this bow performed. It was exceptionally quiet and smooth all the way around. I am ecstatic and extremely excited to get it set up and dialed in as I have a feeling it is going to be a serious performer in every way possible.
I will also add how much I appreciate all the help from the crew at Rainier Archery. You guys are are the REAL DEAL in my book. Thanks allot JBAR for helping me through those tense few moments up to the BIG HURRAH!!!!! WOW!!! that was something else all together.
Post by: JBar on February 15, 2010, 05:45:18 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 15, 2010, 05:47:55 PM
Post by: LittleJohn on February 15, 2010, 05:52:41 PM
HOW FAR OUT OF LEGAL HUNTING WEIGHT WERE U???? :dunno:
Post by: nw_bowhunter on February 15, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
Pretty fast bow...good luck with it.
Post by: Todd_ID on February 15, 2010, 05:56:51 PM
Carbon Tech Safari (.200 spine) @ 29", 125 grain head, 628 grain arrow, 325 fps, 147.4 ft-lbs KE!
Post by: LittleJohn on February 15, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 15, 2010, 06:06:21 PM
Sitting here laughing my guts out. I am goint to hunt in Oregon this year and Oregon has a minimum bow poundage restriction, not an arrow weight restriction like here. Those arrows at 414 fps are perfectly legal to hunt with in Oregon and they are cranking out 105 lbs of KE. My Washington Legal hunting arrow, for all you out there who are turning green with envy is 334 fps. Gold Tip Big Game 100+ to the tune of 116 lbs of KE.
The reason for not stating the arrow weight is I have allot of blood sweat and tears so to speak invested in getting to that level. If you want to do it too then go spend some money and start figuring it out.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on February 15, 2010, 06:10:41 PM
Post by: LittleJohn on February 15, 2010, 06:13:38 PM
Post by: Lowedog on February 15, 2010, 06:20:17 PM
DDDDDDDDDAMN! That's pretty impressive. On the software, 80#, 31" draw, 27" High Country Speed Pro Max w/ 30 grain point weight shows 411 fps, so I'll bet I'm close. That's a 207 grain arrow, though; 2.6 gr/lb is grounds for wearing protective clothing....fun but scary. Kinda like going 120 on a snowmobile.
2.6grs perr lb! :yike: Let us know how many shots it takes for that thing to blow apart will ya? :)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 15, 2010, 06:21:41 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 15, 2010, 06:25:32 PM
The numbers he quoted here are not even close.DDDDDDDDDAMN! That's pretty impressive. On the software, 80#, 31" draw, 27" High Country Speed Pro Max w/ 30 grain point weight shows 411 fps, so I'll bet I'm close. That's a 207 grain arrow, though; 2.6 gr/lb is grounds for wearing protective clothing....fun but scary. Kinda like going 120 on a snowmobile.
2.6grs perr lb! :yike: Let us know how many shots it takes for that thing to blow apart will ya? :)
Post by: Lowedog on February 15, 2010, 06:28:34 PM
http://www.huntersfriend.com/bow-review-400-fps-bow/400-fps-compound-bow.htm (http://www.huntersfriend.com/bow-review-400-fps-bow/400-fps-compound-bow.htm)
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 15, 2010, 06:30:07 PM
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Post by: h2ofowlr on February 15, 2010, 06:33:55 PM
You will have to watch your shots even more this year or you will be wounding everything behind your animal within 40 yards.
Post by: Lowedog on February 15, 2010, 06:36:33 PM
The numbers he quoted here are not even close.DDDDDDDDDAMN! That's pretty impressive. On the software, 80#, 31" draw, 27" High Country Speed Pro Max w/ 30 grain point weight shows 411 fps, so I'll bet I'm close. That's a 207 grain arrow, though; 2.6 gr/lb is grounds for wearing protective clothing....fun but scary. Kinda like going 120 on a snowmobile.
2.6grs perr lb! :yike: Let us know how many shots it takes for that thing to blow apart will ya? :)
It would have to be pretty close. Maybe a 230 gr arrow?
That pic is just nasty!! :o
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 15, 2010, 06:49:30 PM
Dont tell us you weren't warned...
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That can happen while shooting a 40 pound bow. That is why we inspect our arrows after every shot. My arrows are spine matched to my bows poundage and cam style. :dunno:
Post by: xXx Archery on February 15, 2010, 07:23:58 PM
I would say this might be your set up
Total Arrow Weight: 300
Bow IBO Speed: 365
Adjustment for Draw Length: 10
Adjustment for Draw Weight: 22
Adjustment for Arrow Weight: 17
Adjustment for Weight on String: -3
Calculated Speed: 411 fps
Kinetic Energy: 112.55
only 100 under IBO.
Post by: JoeVon on February 15, 2010, 08:37:50 PM
Proof is in the picture. Arrow weight and setup is confidential. I will offer that the bow was set at an even 80 pounds.
I will say that I am absolutely floored by how well this bow performed. It was exceptionally quiet and smooth all the way around. I am ecstatic and extremely excited to get it set up and dialed in as I have a feeling it is going to be a serious performer in every way possible.
I will also add how much I appreciate all the help from the crew at Rainier Archery. You guys are are the REAL DEAL in my book. Thanks allot JBAR for helping me through those tense few moments up to the BIG HURRAH!!!!! WOW!!! that was something else all together.
Wow, thats great... :rolleyes:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 15, 2010, 08:45:50 PM
I just built this bow 31" draw 56lbs 5 grains per lbs. 35.5" ata with 6.5BH shot 335fps. and thats with a heavy string 26 strand BCY trophy and NO speed nocks.Shoot it through a chrono and post it up I would really like to see your 411.
I would say this might be your set up
Total Arrow Weight: 300
Bow IBO Speed: 365
Adjustment for Draw Length: 10
Adjustment for Draw Weight: 22
Adjustment for Arrow Weight: 17
Adjustment for Weight on String: -3
Calculated Speed: 411 fps
Kinetic Energy: 112.55
only 100 under IBO.
Post by: Todd_ID on February 15, 2010, 08:59:02 PM
Sorry.The numbers he quoted here are not even close.DDDDDDDDDAMN! That's pretty impressive. On the software, 80#, 31" draw, 27" High Country Speed Pro Max w/ 30 grain point weight shows 411 fps, so I'll bet I'm close. That's a 207 grain arrow, though; 2.6 gr/lb is grounds for wearing protective clothing....fun but scary. Kinda like going 120 on a snowmobile.
2.6grs perr lb! :yike: Let us know how many shots it takes for that thing to blow apart will ya? :)
Post by: xXx Archery on February 15, 2010, 09:16:33 PM
I just built this bow 31" draw 56lbs 5 grains per lbs. 35.5" ata with 6.5BH shot 335fps. and thats with a heavy string 26 strand BCY trophy and NO speed nocks.Shoot it through a chrono and post it up I would really like to see your 411.
I would say this might be your set up
Total Arrow Weight: 300
Bow IBO Speed: 365
Adjustment for Draw Length: 10
Adjustment for Draw Weight: 22
Adjustment for Arrow Weight: 17
Adjustment for Weight on String: -3
Calculated Speed: 411 fps
Kinetic Energy: 112.55
only 100 under IBO.
lol...My bow wont do 411....
Im not in to the speed thing....I have to keep my bow under the 300 mark for the shoots I go to.
and I only have a 27.75" draw...its hard to get a lot of speed
the 411 speed set-up I posted is what I think you are doing to get your speed
80lbs with a 300 grain arrow.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 15, 2010, 09:21:40 PM
As Homer would say..........................DOH You of all on here are are schooled enough to get close. :rolleyes: You are close!!!I just built this bow 31" draw 56lbs 5 grains per lbs. 35.5" ata with 6.5BH shot 335fps. and thats with a heavy string 26 strand BCY trophy and NO speed nocks.Shoot it through a chrono and post it up I would really like to see your 411.
I would say this might be your set up
Total Arrow Weight: 300
Bow IBO Speed: 365
Adjustment for Draw Length: 10
Adjustment for Draw Weight: 22
Adjustment for Arrow Weight: 17
Adjustment for Weight on String: -3
Calculated Speed: 411 fps
Kinetic Energy: 112.55
only 100 under IBO.
lol...My bow wont do 411....
Im not in to the speed thing....I have to keep my bow under the 300 mark for the shoots I go to.
and I only have a 27.75" draw...its hard to get a lot of speed
the 411 speed set-up I posted is what I think you are doing to get your speed
80lbs with a 300 grain arrow.
Post by: MichaelJ on February 15, 2010, 09:33:19 PM
Michael
Post by: xXx Archery on February 15, 2010, 09:39:05 PM
You ppl are rediculous... Good job wapiti thats pretty sweet! Can't imagine shooting something that fast!
Michael
Why am I rediculous?...what did I say? :dunno:
Post by: Lowedog on February 15, 2010, 11:20:32 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on February 15, 2010, 11:56:55 PM
You ppl are rediculous... Good job wapiti thats pretty sweet! Can't imagine shooting something that fast!
Michael
Why am I rediculous?...what did I say? :dunno:
Wasn't directed at you, or anybody really specific at all... sorry
Lowe, you ain't kidding that looks like it had to HURT! My dad had a fiberglass arrow shatter in his hand when he was 10 Yrs Old in the same spot...
Michael
Post by: mossback91 on February 16, 2010, 12:08:10 AM
Post by: Lowedog on February 16, 2010, 08:29:47 AM
:jacked: :chuckle:
Post by: GoldTip on February 16, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 16, 2010, 09:04:58 AM
Post by: colockumelk on February 16, 2010, 09:25:15 AM
The reason for not stating the arrow weight is I have allot of blood sweat and tears so to speak invested in getting to that level. If you want to do it too then go spend some money and start figuring it out.
That is one of THE most jacked up, selfish things that I have ever heard in my life. Here's a question for you. WHY wouldn't you want to help someone out? Look at someone like Todd. He jumps through hoops helping others out. I could understand if it was a secret hunting spot but your bow setup? What good is knowledge if you keep it too yourself? The asnwer is it's worthless.
Maybe it seems foreign because I've always been taught to be a team player. Whether it was team sports or while in the military. The motto I grew up with was "live as a team, die as a team."
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 09:41:55 AM
The reason for not stating the arrow weight is I have allot of blood sweat and tears so to speak invested in getting to that level. If you want to do it too then go spend some money and start figuring it out.
That is one of THE most jacked up, selfish things that I have ever heard in my life. Here's a question for you. WHY wouldn't you want to help someone out? Look at someone like Todd. He jumps through hoops helping others out. I could understand if it was a secret hunting spot but your bow setup? What good is knowledge if you keep it too yourself? The asnwer is it's worthless.
Maybe it seems foreign because I've always been taught to be a team player. Whether it was team sports or while in the military. The motto I grew up with was "live as a team, die as a team."
WOW. I sent Him a personal message along with quite a few different folks on here and disclosed the arrow and the weight. I didn't feel like posting it because it would bring responses like this from dingalings like you. If I post the light arrow weight it took to do this then I will get bashed for using too light an arrow. Either way I am going to get bashed for doing this. Thanks for the that Colokum. That was real classy.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 10:01:23 AM
Wow, that's pretty fast. How's the arrow flight? Does it paper tune well with a broadhead?
Don't worry we will be posting all these details as we progress through this adventure. Yesterday was just the Moonshot so to speak. Now it will be the refining period of the program.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 10:11:54 AM
Speed doesnt kill :twocents:
In a funny kind of way it does. It eliminates the need to fuss with the stupid range finder. There have been many times I have watched my shot opportunities vanish as I was trying to find my range finder and get it on the animal.
Shot placement is what kills, speed helps shot placement by compensating for small errors in range estimating.
If you do not have to worry about range estimation out to a certain distance then you only need to worry about shot placement.
One less thing to worry about means one less thing to go wrong. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on February 16, 2010, 10:14:26 AM
:dunno:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 10:18:53 AM
I don't understand the point of the secrecy.
:dunno:
Warranty :dunno:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 16, 2010, 10:59:16 AM
Post by: WARHORSE on February 16, 2010, 11:15:13 AM
Post by: Black_Hat on February 16, 2010, 11:17:49 AM
WAPITIHUNTER AFTER THE CRAP YOU PULLED IN THE NOOKSACK PERMIT LAST YEAR I THINK MOST FOLKS WOULD BE REAL HAPPY IF YOU LEARNED TO SHOOT THE BOW YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU MAKE THE JUMP TO SOMTHING SO POWERFULL. HOW MANY ELK DID YOU KILL ON YOUR PERMIT HUNT LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF PISS POOR SHOOTING?
I DONT THINK THE NEW ROCKET SHIP WILL HELP YOU BECOME A BETTER HUNTER EITHER
-S
Post by: WARHORSE on February 16, 2010, 11:23:09 AM
LONG TIME LURKER FORST TIME POSTER.ahh??? does that mean he got 2 elk with one shot?!
WAPITIHUNTER AFTER THE CRAP YOU PULLED IN THE NOOKSACK PERMIT LAST YEAR I THINK MOST FOLKS WOULD BE REAL HAPPY IF YOU LEARNED TO SHOOT THE BOW YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU MAKE THE JUMP TO SOMTHING SO POWERFULL. HOW MANY ELK DID YOU KILL ON YOUR PERMIT HUNT LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF PISS POOR SHOOTING?
I DONT THINK THE NEW ROCKET SHIP WILL HELP YOU BECOME A BETTER HUNTER EITHER
-S
Post by: Lowedog on February 16, 2010, 11:26:10 AM
I don't understand the point of the secrecy.
:dunno:
Warranty :dunno:
That is what I was thinking. ;) Like I told WAPITIHUNTER in a PM. I bet it has been a fun experiment but I wouldn't want to do it with one of my bows. :)
Pretty amazing what these manufacturers are doing these days. Wasn't long ago when guys were chasing 300fps.
Here's what WAPITI's monster would do with a WA legal hunting arrow
Bow's IBO Speed: 365 fps
Draw Length: 30.00 inches
Draw Weight: 80.00 lbs
Weight on String: 15.0 grains
Total Arrow Weight: 480.0 grains
Calculated Speed: 336.67 fps
Kinetic Energy: 120.84 ft-lbs
Momentum: 0.7175 slug-ft/sec
Just in case anyone missed the link I posted before this is a pretty cool article explaining what it would take to produce a 400fps IBO bow. Not going to happen anytime soon.
http://www.huntersfriend.com/bow-review-400-fps-bow/400-fps-compound-bow.htm (http://www.huntersfriend.com/bow-review-400-fps-bow/400-fps-compound-bow.htm)
Post by: Lowedog on February 16, 2010, 11:30:05 AM
Post by: WARHORSE on February 16, 2010, 11:35:01 AM
Post by: MichaelJ on February 16, 2010, 11:36:52 AM
Geezus WARHORSE! I didn't need to see another one! :yike: I may go back to aluminum! :chuckle:
Yeah that pic is NASTY! I decided to quote you're response in it cause I'm too scared to scroll back up and see that picture again.... lol
I think ya'll need to layoff the nooksak 'incident'. While I don't agree with it, its legal, its hunting, *censored* happens... get off you're high horse
Michael
Post by: Hillbilly270 on February 16, 2010, 11:39:10 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 16, 2010, 11:42:57 AM
I am happy with my old, slow bow though.
Power to you !
And good luck.
Post by: Crunchy on February 16, 2010, 11:56:37 AM
Post by: mossback91 on February 16, 2010, 11:58:58 AM
Well said MichaelJ
:yeah:
Post by: WARHORSE on February 16, 2010, 12:00:35 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 12:09:21 PM
I have to say that is impressive speed....
I am happy with my old, slow bow though.
Power to you !
And good luck.
Thank you very very much for your kind words. :)
Post by: mossback91 on February 16, 2010, 12:13:53 PM
warhorse you aint strong enough to throw a needle let alone a 2x4!!
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 12:20:02 PM
Howard killed in his lifetime you will realise that it does not take a 90 pound long bow to kill a chipmunk or ground squirrel. It was all about a flat trajectory. :twocents:
I like Howard Hills reasoning. If it worked for him and his long bows then it should work just as well for me and my compound. :dunno:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Geezus WARHORSE! I didn't need to see another one! :yike: I may go back to aluminum! :chuckle:
Yeah that pic is NASTY! I decided to quote you're response in it cause I'm too scared to scroll back up and see that picture again.... lol
I think ya'll need to layoff the nooksak 'incident'. While I don't agree with it, its legal, its hunting, *censored* happens... get off you're high horse
Michael
Thanks Michael.
Post by: let.it.fly on February 16, 2010, 12:38:36 PM
Post by: Intruder on February 16, 2010, 02:17:19 PM
Not baggin on you Wapiti... but IMO speed's only part of the equation. It's really important but needs to be balanced with the ability to draw smoothly, hold for extended times at full drawn, be forgiving to shoot, and be quiet. These factors can play as big or bigger a role in being successful. Never shot that bow so no way to comment on it... just making the point that I wouldn't sacrifice too much of the other stuff for speed. :twocents:
Regardless, 414 is pretty amazing.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 03:38:30 PM
I don't understand the point of the secrecy.
:dunno:
Warranty :dunno:
That is what I was thinking. ;) Like I told WAPITIHUNTER in a PM. I bet it has been a fun experiment but I wouldn't want to do it with one of my bows. :)
Pretty amazing what these manufacturers are doing these days. Wasn't long ago when guys were chasing 300fps.
Here's what WAPITI's monster would do with a WA legal hunting arrow
Bow's IBO Speed: 365 fps
Draw Length: 30.00 inches
Draw Weight: 80.00 lbs
Weight on String: 15.0 grains
Total Arrow Weight: 480.0 grains
Calculated Speed: 336.67 fps
Kinetic Energy: 120.84 ft-lbs
Momentum: 0.7175 slug-ft/sec
Just in case anyone missed the link I posted before this is a pretty cool article explaining what it would take to produce a 400fps IBO bow. Not going to happen anytime soon.
http://www.huntersfriend.com/bow-review-400-fps-bow/400-fps-compound-bow.htm (http://www.huntersfriend.com/bow-review-400-fps-bow/400-fps-compound-bow.htm)
You got it all figured out Lowe! Eyerybody seems to have forgotten that the XLR8 is listed at 360+ I honestly believe after what we have seen that it is closer to 370 ibo. :dunno:
Post by: JBar on February 16, 2010, 06:57:39 PM
LONG TIME LURKER FORST TIME POSTER.Wow Nice of you to join us Black hat but maybe you should have introduced yourself before personally attacking someone! And why are you yelling?
WAPITIHUNTER AFTER THE CRAP YOU PULLED IN THE NOOKSACK PERMIT LAST YEAR I THINK MOST FOLKS WOULD BE REAL HAPPY IF YOU LEARNED TO SHOOT THE BOW YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU MAKE THE JUMP TO SOMTHING SO POWERFULL. HOW MANY ELK DID YOU KILL ON YOUR PERMIT HUNT LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF PISS POOR SHOOTING?
I DONT THINK THE NEW ROCKET SHIP WILL HELP YOU BECOME A BETTER HUNTER EITHER
-S
Lowedog your about dead on as we did crono a washington legal arrow also but now I don't remember exactly what it was, but I think you're damn close.
For all of those that don't agree what Wapiti is doing haven't you ever wanted to build a hot rod and take it to the track and see how fast you can go? I know I bought an 1100cc bike when I was younger just to go fast!
I think if someone posted on here that they got a wildcat round to shoot some astonishing speed from their rifle we'd all be oohing and awing of how fast it was but since it's a bow it's a bad thing. :twocents:
Post by: bullcanyon on February 16, 2010, 07:25:19 PM
As far as breeching 400fps. That is pretty cool. I know you won't be hunting with that set up, but it is still bad ass.
Post by: jackelope on February 16, 2010, 08:35:15 PM
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For all of those that don't agree what Wapiti is doing haven't you ever wanted to build a hot rod and take it to the track and see how fast you can go? I know I bought an 1100cc bike when I was younger just to go fast!
I think if someone posted on here that they got a wildcat round to shoot some astonishing speed from their rifle we'd all be oohing and awing of how fast it was but since it's a bow it's a bad thing.
I don't think anybody agrees or disagrees with what he's doing. I mean who really gives a flying crap...I think folks think it's a little nuts to shoot an arrow(or the bow for that matter)that could grenade and splinter at any shot, don't care how carefully you inspect it every time, and I think people think it's a little odd with all the secret squirrel stuff....whats the point really? because he wants to be the only one who does it? It's just wierd...I don't disagree, I don't care if the bow grenades or the arrow shatters and goes through his hand.
Where was everyone else standing in the shop when he shot?
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 16, 2010, 09:46:51 PM
People forget so easily. My Hoyt was set to 100+ pounds and shot an arrow at 396 fps. I have been doing this for about 8 years now and never once had a single close call. You all act as if I am new to archery or something and am unaware of the dangers associated with it. I really am not as stupid as some of you make me out to be.
There is a reason why I drive a 600 horsepower dodge diesel truck. It's not because I want to brag that I have more power than the next guy or race and say that I beat somebody else. The reason is because when I step on the go pedal and the turbo starts to sing and I start to sink back into the seat and you feel like you are in a jet plane taking off, I get butterflies in my stomach. It makes me happy. I can't explain it any better than that.
I have always pushed myself to the limits of my abilities. Even as a child. Is it a fault? :dunno: You tell me. This is who I am. I can't help it. I do it because I can't help it. There is nothing inside of me that tells me not to do it. I have always had the mind set that I can or at least I am going to try my darndest before I say I can't.
If anybody thinks that I am trying to say I am better than you, you are mistaken. I simly posted this because it really meant something for me to accomplish. I really had a good feeling inside when 414 popped up on the screen. I hope I have not given any the wrong impression by my posts recent or past on my motives. I simply enjoy pushing myself. Is that such a bad thing????
I apologize to any and all for any current or past comments I may have made in haste that may have hurt somebodies feelings. I am just trying to enjoy being crazy old me, hope you can understand that.
Post by: tazz on February 17, 2010, 03:09:58 AM
Post by: rasbo on February 17, 2010, 05:13:44 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on February 17, 2010, 05:33:51 AM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 17, 2010, 08:27:32 AM
I want to hear more about your 600hp dodge truck. Obviously the "details" are secret, but what year and such? I drive by you every day. Never seen it. Always the green work truck. I've seen one in the area that had something going on. Older style red truck. Passed a pile of us by your driveway. I'm guessing that was you:)
Yes the 2000 Red quad cab. Edge drag comp, Scheid lightning injection pump, Fass Fuel pump, Volant cold air, 5" Turbo Back exhaust, Bank High Ram, Edge 150 HP Injector Nozzles, Dynomite Diesel Built HX 40 turbo (Man does it sing). Full Billet Transmission with TCS multi disc billet TC, including ATS billet flex plate. I tore the middle out of the stock one.LOL! Oh almost forgot the Snow performance Water methanol injection kit.
I believe that sums it up for performance mods. Fixed the head gasket a couple times. Next mod will be arp 625 headstuds.
If you have seen a red truck blowing smoke out here that was me. LOL!!!!
Post by: colockumelk on February 17, 2010, 11:31:50 AM
The reason for not stating the arrow weight is I have allot of blood sweat and tears so to speak invested in getting to that level. If you want to do it too then go spend some money and start figuring it out.
That is one of THE most jacked up, selfish things that I have ever heard in my life. Here's a question for you. WHY wouldn't you want to help someone out? Look at someone like Todd. He jumps through hoops helping others out. I could understand if it was a secret hunting spot but your bow setup? What good is knowledge if you keep it too yourself? The asnwer is it's worthless.
Maybe it seems foreign because I've always been taught to be a team player. Whether it was team sports or while in the military. The motto I grew up with was "live as a team, die as a team."
WOW. I sent Him a personal message along with quite a few different folks on here and disclosed the arrow and the weight. I didn't feel like posting it because it would bring responses like this from dingalings like you. If I post the light arrow weight it took to do this then I will get bashed for using too light an arrow. Either way I am going to get bashed for doing this. Thanks for the that Colokum. That was real classy.
The first part of my post was off. So I appologize. I didn't realize that you PM'd the guy your setup. To me how I read your post was that you had information that might help someone out and you were keeping it from others. That's how the post read to me. It still does. But if it was simply so no one would give you crap for your setup than I understand.
BTW I do think it's pretty sweet that you can shoot 414fps. I saw a guy on tv shoot one 451 fps with a Bowtech 82nd airborn. But he shot a 200 grain arrow and said never try this at home. This is purely for exhibition only. Cool stuff.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 11:41:12 AM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 17, 2010, 11:55:25 AM
The reason for not stating the arrow weight is I have allot of blood sweat and tears so to speak invested in getting to that level. If you want to do it too then go spend some money and start figuring it out.
That is one of THE most jacked up, selfish things that I have ever heard in my life. Here's a question for you. WHY wouldn't you want to help someone out? Look at someone like Todd. He jumps through hoops helping others out. I could understand if it was a secret hunting spot but your bow setup? What good is knowledge if you keep it too yourself? The asnwer is it's worthless.
Maybe it seems foreign because I've always been taught to be a team player. Whether it was team sports or while in the military. The motto I grew up with was "live as a team, die as a team."
WOW. I sent Him a personal message along with quite a few different folks on here and disclosed the arrow and the weight. I didn't feel like posting it because it would bring responses like this from dingalings like you. If I post the light arrow weight it took to do this then I will get bashed for using too light an arrow. Either way I am going to get bashed for doing this. Thanks for the that Colokum. That was real classy.
The first part of my post was off. So I appologize. I didn't realize that you PM'd the guy your setup. To me how I read your post was that you had information that might help someone out and you were keeping it from others. That's how the post read to me. It still does. But if it was simply so no one would give you crap for your setup than I understand.
BTW I do think it's pretty sweet that you can shoot 414fps. I saw a guy on tv shoot one 451 fps with a Bowtech 82nd airborn. But he shot a 200 grain arrow and said never try this at home. This is purely for exhibition only. Cool stuff.
Thanks Colokum. I have a good sense of when to leave well enough alone. 414 is enough. Could we jack it up and shoot a 200 grain arrow. Sure. I might be part crazy but I am not insane. :chuckle:
Post by: colockumelk on February 17, 2010, 05:04:24 PM
Post by: ridgefire on February 17, 2010, 08:48:35 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 18, 2010, 09:16:28 AM
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can you shoot that thing accuratelyMy tongue is bleeding.......
Cool to hit the 400 mark. Not real proud of the secret warranty stuff, also kinda reminds me of the elk hunt.......
Be careful! This *censored* is serious. I'd ust assume not see a picture of you split in half when that cable snaps. Life is fun, but it can be a bitch.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 18, 2010, 09:20:31 AM
Quotecan you shoot that thing accuratelyMy tongue is bleeding.......
Now that my friends is funny! :chuckle: :archery_smiley:
Might need stitches biting that hard.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 18, 2010, 11:26:57 AM
can you shoot that thing accurately or is it just kind of a show bow would love to see some pics
Considering that I am currently unemployed..............the bow is still hanging on the shelf waiting to be paid off. Got about half left. As soon as I get it set up and dialed in I will post up some results and pictures.
Post by: huntnfmly on February 18, 2010, 03:37:24 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 18, 2010, 03:50:14 PM
so its not even yours yet and joe is letting you do that?wow The reason i ask is i have a z7 on layaway up there cant wait to pick it up
We that are loyal customers........Yes. I have been buying from Joe for 14 years.
I believe I have been shooting extreme poundage bows for about 12 of those years. :chuckle:
Post by: LittleJohn on February 18, 2010, 05:34:19 PM
And your doing this in front of a licensed Mathews dealer, and he is ok with that. WTF
If any of this info is wrong please correct me.
Post by: Jellymon on February 18, 2010, 06:43:27 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 18, 2010, 08:03:41 PM
Am I reading this right??? You don't want to disclose your arrow weight, because it might void your warranty. Your owners manual says not to shoot an arrow under 5 grains per pound? And your ok with that??? If your bow would have cracked a limb when you did this, :dunno: would you have sent it back for new warranty limbs :dunno:
And your doing this in front of a licensed Mathews dealer, and he is ok with that. WTF
If any of this info is wrong please correct me.
Man you really got a big hangnail or somethingthing festering don't you. Why dont you go get a red hot poker and dig that boil out of your behind.
Pick pick pick. How many times you gonna keep picking. :chuckle: :rolleyes:
Oh and by the way the arrow was quite a bit heavier than most of you think.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 18, 2010, 08:26:19 PM
Post by: LittleJohn on February 19, 2010, 01:44:27 AM
Well, You didn't answer any of my questions :dunno: :dunno:so I guess I will make my own mind up about this. :( :yike: :bdid:Am I reading this right??? You don't want to disclose your arrow weight, because it might void your warranty. Your owners manual says not to shoot an arrow under 5 grains per pound? And your ok with that??? If your bow would have cracked a limb when you did this, :dunno: would you have sent it back for new warranty limbs :dunno:
And your doing this in front of a licensed Mathews dealer, and he is ok with that. WTF
If any of this info is wrong please correct me.
Man you really got a big hangnail or somethingthing festering don't you. Why dont you go get a red hot poker and dig that boil out of your behind.
Pick pick pick. How many times you gonna keep picking. :chuckle: :rolleyes:
Oh and by the way the arrow was quite a bit heavier than most of you think.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on February 19, 2010, 11:55:24 AM
Post by: bowtech721 on February 19, 2010, 01:12:57 PM
I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but if that bow does let go and come apart on you, you are going to try to get it repaired under warranty? I think this is one of the reasons prices are so high on equipment nowadays, the companies have to inflate their prices to make up for bullsh!t claims. Just my :twocents:exactly... true in all industries
Post by: Sneaky on February 19, 2010, 01:41:29 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 19, 2010, 01:42:21 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 19, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
There are alot of people on this site that seem to enjoy finding fault in what others are doing. I am not sure why. I do know that many are other shop owners and are looking for any way possible to make another shop owner look bad to garner more business for themselves. Unfortunatly many times this backfires on them. I will add that in all the years I have been doing this I have never broken an arrow, never once had any bow I have shot break or fail in any way. I have always been very methodical about what I and we have been doing. The fact of the matter is that the XLR8 was engineered to be the Fastest Baddest Bow on Planet Earth. It Is. It was designed to do just what I did with it. I was never worried for one second of any sort of falure. I have been doing this for a good long time and I know what will work.
I feel kind of like I am being drilled by the "Spanish Inquisition." Some people on here in their minds have already been to the judge jury and executioner for something that never happened. Something that has actually never happened in the past either. Nothing more than a bunch of Jealous hype stirred up by envious jealous shop owners who want all of the attention and business for themselves. There is nothing here to crucify me over other than being "passionate over the things I love doing." If that is a crime then get a rope and hang me!!!!! The funny thing is that I was never asked by anybody in a private message. Not a single person. So this simply lends weight to the fact that people are simply wanting to tear down somebodies reputation by bringing out anything they possibly can that is bad on an open forum to defame the other person or shop. They may not realise it but allot of people can see through all this crap for what it really is. All the crap that happened before and Joe is selling stronger than ever.
Now for the part you shop owners dread hearing. I have never ever been steered wrong by Joe or anybody else that works at "Rainier Archery". The service and attention to detain has been second to none. I have been to other shops. I have been told that's good enough when it is not shooting bullets through paper at those shops:dunno: I have never had an equipment failure with any of my gear that Joe recommended. Thanks "Rainier Archery" for all the years of great service. I give a large part of credit for my success in the hunting fields to you guys. Teaching me how to shoot and always recommending the right equipment and setups. :)
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 19, 2010, 02:06:29 PM
Shooting 400+ is fine, just don't put anyone else in danger. I don't care what you do as long as you don't put others in harms way. Hell, build a 2000 pound bow and hook up your fancy dodge motor to pull it back. :chuckle:
That is the best post ever!!!! I am all smiles from ear to ear. :)
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 19, 2010, 02:36:12 PM
I'll just be sure to give this thread link to all my custom bowyer friends... cause I'll guarantee not one of them will sell you a bow.. .*censored*, I can get 250 fps out of my longbows... but they wont hold together very long... And guess what, physics are physics... your arrow is WAY too light if you are getting 411....
I have absolutley no reason to buy a bow from any of your bowyer friends.
Post by: jackelope on February 19, 2010, 02:39:30 PM
:dunno:
Post by: tlbradford on February 19, 2010, 03:13:19 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2010, 08:11:45 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 20, 2010, 10:24:07 AM
And that is good...I"m glad to hear that... :chuckle:
If I wanted a good Trad bow I would buy a Schafer Silver Tip................. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on February 20, 2010, 10:28:20 AM
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If I wanted a good trad bow
Yeah, but if you wanted a GREAT ONE, you'd have a Sapphire Hawk.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 20, 2010, 10:30:12 AM
QuoteIf I wanted a good trad bow
Yeah, but if you wanted a GREAT ONE, you'd have a Sapphire Hawk.
With your track record Bone....................I suppose I would have to agree. Even though I really really like the Silver tip. :)
Post by: boneaddict on February 20, 2010, 10:33:10 AM
I do want you to be careful though. Physics is Physics, and it isn't very forgiving. Good luck in your quest. Make sure its not a form of self destruction though.
Post by: konrad on February 20, 2010, 10:51:54 AM
Those who were meticulous in record keeping and measurement of arm and fired cases escaped serious injury. However, they invariably destroyed their firearms (prematurely wore them out from flame etching throats or pounded bolt lugs into submission) if they were lucky.
If they weren't lucky, they had a trip to the hospital.
No, I don't bungee jump either.