Post by: washelkhntr on February 16, 2010, 05:51:08 PM
Post by: MissinCaliBlacktails on February 16, 2010, 05:53:09 PM
you walk away with it the same day you buy it.
Post by: B.G.hunter on February 16, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on February 17, 2010, 09:45:33 AM
Pretty nice to walk out with yer'new friend...I get a good chuckle when non gun owners hear me say I don't have a waiting period... :o Till I explain... :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 09:58:02 AM
Post by: Shootmoore on February 17, 2010, 10:20:15 AM
That one always makes me chuckle
Shootmoore
Post by: tony04 on February 17, 2010, 10:47:12 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 10:53:08 AM
Post by: washelkhntr on February 17, 2010, 04:14:48 PM
Post by: ADAMS on February 19, 2010, 08:59:07 PM
Post by: sirfunkeybut on July 24, 2010, 11:58:10 PM
i bought a pistol with no CPL and only had to wait two hours. so if theres a mandatory waiting period why didn't i have to wait?
Post by: ICEMAN on July 25, 2010, 07:24:17 AM
i know this thread is outdated but i just wanted to make a comment on it.
i bought a pistol with no CPL and only had to wait two hours. so if theres a mandatory waiting period why didn't i have to wait?
Just reread your post.... It sounds like they possibly had time to contact both NICS and the Sheriffs office to run your name thru the State crim history database. Mabye two hours was enough...
The waiting period was originally designed to allow local law enforcement to run background checks on folks for handgun purchases, but with todays technology advancements, things must go smoother.
Post by: NWHydroprint on July 25, 2010, 08:52:30 AM
From the WA state licensing:
What are the requirements for selling a handgun to someone without a Concealed Pistol License (CPL)?
A five-day waiting period is required for the transfer of a handgun from a firearms dealer to someone who does not have a CPL. This waiting period begins when the Application to Transfer Pistol form is received by the police chief or sheriff, and refers to the next five business days when state offices are open. This does not include weekends and holidays. The waiting period gives law enforcement enough time to complete the necessary background check.
Local law enforcement will conduct the required background checks, including the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Check, when there is no CPL. The approving law enforcement agency should provide you with the NICS Transaction Number (NTN). Record the NTN in the “Approval Code” box in the upper right corner of the Application to Transfer Pistol form.
NWH
Post by: General Disarray on July 25, 2010, 09:21:53 AM
Post by: Bscman on July 25, 2010, 10:28:23 AM
The 5 day wait is not a mandatory waiting period. It's actually the amount of time the local law enforcement agency is allotted to run your info and approve the purchase.
If, after 5 business days, the local LEO agency has not responded the firearm can be released to the purchaser. If the local LEO agency responds BEFORE the 5 business days are completed with an APPROVAL, the purchaser can then immediately take ownership of the pistol.
In other words, they are given up to 5 business days to run the paperwork. Unless they respond with a deny or delay within those 5 business days, technically the pistol can be released after day 5. If an approval is given (whether it take 2 minutes or 5 days) it can be released immediately.
So yes, it is possible for to buy a pistol without a CPL and still be able to take it home before the 5-days are up. However, some shops call it a "mandatory 5-day wait" simply because it eases their paperwork and reduces the chance of a firearm slipping through the cracks.
Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted.
Post by: MikeWalking on July 25, 2010, 01:01:26 PM
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Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted
Was this prior to the NICS? My checks only take a few minutes on the phone.
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 26, 2010, 07:33:09 PM
QuoteBefore I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted
Was this priot to the NICS? My checks only take a few minutes on the phone.
When purchasing a long gun, or a handgun with CPL the firearms dealer must call the National Information Check Services (NICS) to ensure you can legally purchase a firearm, although NICS does not tell us why you may be delayed or denied. I would say about 80% of the call I do take about 3 minuets prior to having an answer for the customer. NICS is basically looking for flags, there not doing a detailed background and credit check, but making sure your not a felon. ;)
If you are purchasing a handgun, and do not have a CPL then we send the paperwork to your local LEO where they will conduct there own background check and give us an approval code or a denial.
Did this answer your question Mike??
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 26, 2010, 07:36:37 PM
No waiting period with the CPL. I still have to wait the 5 days though. I guess my commision card is not as good as a CPL :dunno:.
That one always makes me chuckle
Shootmoore
If your law enforcement then your Commission card works just like a CPL, actually it better. But in some area such as King County, they still want there Commission officers to have a NICS check (Don't know why??). Also many dealers are unaware of this. Its a small loop hole and only about 5% of the folks who may walk in a purchase a handgun will have a commission card so it throws us for a loop and its hard to get a clear answer to from the state.
Post by: Bscman on July 26, 2010, 07:38:11 PM
QuoteBefore I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted
Was this priot to the NICS? My checks only take a few minutes on the phone.
Yes, the nics only takes a minute (or three).
I'm talking about the paperwork that must be sent to your local LEO if you do not have a CPL.
My point was that even though there is a "5-day" period, it does not always take 5 days to get approval if you do NOT have a CPL. The longest I had to wait for approval before getting my CPL was 3 business days. The shortest was about 24hours.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2010, 07:57:13 PM
Some of you may be a little confused.
The 5 day wait is not a mandatory waiting period. It's actually the amount of time the local law enforcement agency is allotted to run your info and approve the purchase.
If, after 5 business days, the local LEO agency has not responded the firearm can be released to the purchaser. If the local LEO agency responds BEFORE the 5 business days are completed with an APPROVAL, the purchaser can then immediately take ownership of the pistol.
In other words, they are given up to 5 business days to run the paperwork. Unless they respond with a deny or delay within those 5 business days, technically the pistol can be released after day 5. If an approval is given (whether it take 2 minutes or 5 days) it can be released immediately.
So yes, it is possible for to buy a pistol without a CPL and still be able to take it home before the 5-days are up. However, some shops call it a "mandatory 5-day wait" simply because it eases their paperwork and reduces the chance of a firearm slipping through the cracks.
Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted.
that is correct, there is no min just what is given to have time to get it done could be a few mins or days
Post by: cwuwildcat on July 26, 2010, 08:16:36 PM
QuoteBefore I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted
Was this priot to the NICS? My checks only take a few minutes on the phone.
When purchasing a long gun, or a handgun with CPL the firearms dealer must call the National Information Check Services (NICS) to ensure you can legally purchase a firearm, although NICS does not tell us why you may be delayed or denied. I would say about 80% of the call I do take about 3 minuets prior to having an answer for the customer. NICS is basically looking for flags, there not doing a detailed background and credit check, but making sure your not a felon. ;)
If you are purchasing a handgun, and do not have a CPL then we send the paperwork to your local LEO where they will conduct there own background check and give us an approval code or a denial.
Did this answer your question Mike??
Is there anyway to find out if/why you've got a flag? I get delayed about 1/2 the time I purchase, even with my CPL. Maybe delayed 1/2 a day, but last time was 5 days because it carried over a weekend. I'd like to see if there's anything I can do to remove any erroneous info.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2010, 08:20:48 PM
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 26, 2010, 08:31:16 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on July 26, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
The National Instant Check System (NICS) is not flawless, but I feel that it is a good way to keep crazies, illegals, and felons from getting firearms. They process the average purchase in minutes. Not too bad if you ask me.
Post by: NWHydroprint on July 28, 2010, 07:18:37 AM
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NWH
Post by: Shootmoore on August 14, 2010, 06:34:11 AM
No waiting period with the CPL. I still have to wait the 5 days though. I guess my commision card is not as good as a CPL :dunno:.
That one always makes me chuckle
Shootmoore
If your law enforcement then your Commission card works just like a CPL, actually it better. But in some area such as King County, they still want there Commission officers to have a NICS check (Don't know why??). Also many dealers are unaware of this. Its a small loop hole and only about 5% of the folks who may walk in a purchase a handgun will have a commission card so it throws us for a loop and its hard to get a clear answer to from the state.
Thats good to know. I should say the last time I went in to make a purchase of a firearm was during the Brady Ban years. When there was a manditory waiting period for the purchase.
Shootmoore