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Title: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 09:47:02 PM: i am thinking about setting up a outfitter business, and building a preserve as well. i would offer hunts for rams and goats, would be great practice for bowhunters or great first hunts for youth hunters or beginner bowhunters. New hunters and old alike we are always looking for something to do in the off time of year. also great for disabled hunter, could be done year round as well. just have to get a business licence and insurance as well. and build my preserve. also would offer guided predator hunts for yotes and such. just putting this out to see if anyone would be intrested in it and the hunting opportunity's as well. or think there kids might like to do a hunt and such. i am just looking for feedback for my ideas let me know. but please keep it clean i don't need to be bashed for my ideas. we all are a brother hood of hunters so we do not need to be judging eachother as well . thanks for your input.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: the1rod on February 17, 2010, 09:51:22 PM: ha i had that same idea, i told my girfriend and she laughed at me saying that no one would want to do it. ha whos laughing now. i think it would be cool. i would help if i could, :dunno: jsut not sure what i could do for u.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 09:54:55 PM: you could hunt :chuckle:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: the1rod on February 17, 2010, 09:57:28 PM: Deal...First customer hunts free right? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 09:58:16 PM: :chuckle: i am sure i could offer a hunt wa discount as well :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on February 17, 2010, 09:59:23 PM: I would think you could make more money if you put out hogs or something. I am sure it would be more affordable for the average person so you would get a few more hunts. :dunno:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 10:02:17 PM: i would love to do hogs i am a hog hunting freak! but in 1997 wa fish and game banned them from being being brought into the state or having them in your possession because they might just get loose 8) and have them as a exotic animal i could do just reg domestic pigs but they would not be much fun from what i see and not a pair of horns on the wall were the rams and goats are livestock it is the same thing as me selling a beef on the hoof.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: the1rod on February 17, 2010, 10:06:51 PM: give domestic hogs a couple generations and they would get good and wild. another idea if you get enough land is to sell the experience and not jsut the hunt, like do a pack in hunt for a weekend, and show let people help set up the tent and see how to do it and get the full experience, this might get more first time hunters in just to get the experience.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Shootmoore on February 17, 2010, 10:07:51 PM: Bison! I would come down for that, save a trip over to Montana or Wyoming. I just want the meat not to conserned about the "hunt". Other than that I am just to cheap to pay to hunt but I imagine that there would be a market for other game if done right.

Shootmoore
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 10:10:50 PM: i have thought about the bison as well but the fencening would be huge money there used to a guy intown that raised them and he did o.k. with them but they were always out and a pain in the but he said the smaller animals would be better for me not as much cost and easyer to handle as well.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Shootmoore on February 17, 2010, 10:13:21 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 10:10:50 PM
i have thought about the bison as well but the fencening would be huge money there used to a guy intown that raised them and he did o.k. with them but they were always out and a pain in the but he said the smaller animals would be better for me not as much cost and easyer to handle as well.

Yea the fencing would be a bugger, and they are a dangerous animal to boot. I got to go on a hunt for them in the methow one year because a buddy got the great idea to raise some up to eat. He got to eat them but I don't think he had the 2 day hunt to find and shoot them in his plans.

Shootmoore
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 10:18:04 PM: Yea the fencing would be a bugger, and they are a dangerous animal to boot. I got to go on a hunt for them in the methow one year because a buddy got the great idea to raise some up to eat. He got to eat them but I don't think he had the 2 day hunt to find and shoot them in his plans.

lol that is what i was thinking and seen it first hand :chuckle:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Rudy on February 18, 2010, 09:36:35 AM: i think it would be a great idea! Id go hunt your place for some good meat for sure!
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 18, 2010, 09:44:23 AM: I dont think high fence farms are legal in washington...at least not for deer elk or anything thats a game animal.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: GoldTip on February 18, 2010, 10:28:19 AM: I am not sure of the legality of whether ranch hunts for exotics are legal here in WA or not, personally don't know why they wouldn't be, providing sufficient measures were taken to prevent them from escaping the fence. For me I hunted exotics once on a very large ranch, high fence like 17,000 acres with a bow. To me it was a pretty tough hunt and I never felt like the animals were "fenced in" and couldn't get away from, they did a pretty good job of avoiding several of us. :bash: I had a great time and did kill a nice hawaiian black sheep. I would be interested in doing an off season hunt for exotics that was local enough to drive to, if the price were right and it was animals I wanted to hunt, and it isn't just on 100 acres.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 10:48:14 AM: exotics have to be done threw the state and some are banned due to the risk of disease and such to the native wildlife and also as far as deer and elk go that takes allot of special permits and stuff. the animals that i am looking at are considered livestock not exotics or wildlife so it is the same as anyone on here having the ground and starting a sheep heard which anyone can do. as far as the hunting there are no laws that i have found or been informed of when talking to fish and wildlife that says the animals cant be hunted. since it is on are own private ground. basically its the same thing as me selling a beef or goat or sheep on the hoof to be slaughter by the buyer. usally you have a mobile slauter guy come kill the animal and haul it to the butcher. there are no guide lines for anything like this. so what diffrence does it make when the person buying the animal for meat comes and hunts them in the pasture/preserve. and what ever weapon they want to use also. no laws about that. so no exotics no wildlife just livestock, same as beef bison chickens etc
i am probably going to start with a 200 acre preserve then, if it takes off and i do good i will expand it as well. i have a great location not to far from portland not to far from seattle allot of people have to go to texas or cali for these kind of hunts will be much easier and cheaper than going all the way down there. os my ideas.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 18, 2010, 10:50:52 AM: So, your proposal would be to have an exotics hunting preserve, but not fence it? I am confused. I don't really see how that works. How do you control it?
For what it's worth, a few years ago (about 6 or 7 I think) the bottom absolutely dropped out of the bison market. A LOT of ranchers had started bison operations on the side, and they glutted the market. I remember seeing a sign outside of Drummond MT for bison meat hunts for $300, wish I had taken advantage of that now :bash: :bash:.
Since then, a lot of guys got out of the business and the market has recovered. Now most ranches that stayed in the business are doing fine, and for many of them there is a waiting list. Might actually be worth the cost of fencing. :twocents:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: OneNightAtDeerCamp on February 18, 2010, 10:54:19 AM: Why not just buy Spieden Island?

Curious as to why that was closed. I understand not wanting shots across the sound, but why not make it a bow hunting preserve then?
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 10:59:22 AM: no, i am saying a high fence ranch for livestock animals goats rams etc. that would be fenced in. you kinda have to read all the posts to see what i am thinking. and i would not do bison we talked about that in the first parts of this to hard to keep fenced in and handle.you could read shootmore's post and see why i don't want animals that big :chuckle:
i don't know were spieden island is at :dunno:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 18, 2010, 11:10:33 AM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 10:59:22 AM
no, i am saying a high fence ranch for livestock animals goats rams etc. that would be fenced in. you kinda have to read all the posts to see what i am thinking. and i would not do bison we talked about that in the first parts of this to hard to keep fenced in and handle.you could read shootmore's post and see why i don't want animals that big :chuckle:

This was the quote I was talking about.

Quote from: carpsniperg2 on February 17, 2010, 10:10:50 PM
i have thought about the bison as well but the fencening would be huge money there used to a guy intown that raised them and he did o.k. with them but they were always out and a pain in the but he said the smaller animals would be better for me not as much cost and easyer to handle as well.

I think I see what you are saying now. It's not that you don't want to fence, you just don't want the cost of a fence that would actually keep a buffalo in. I get it. Still, if you are talking about exotic deer (are you?), I would think that would take one helluva fence too :dunno: I guess if you were just talking about goats and sheep, that would be a different thing again.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Buckmark on February 18, 2010, 11:11:47 AM: If i remember right spieden island is in the san juans and is currently owned by the founder of Oakley products with a small area open to public use but only accessible by non motorized boats (kayak) and you have to stay in that area, no looking for sheds or exploring. There are rams and i though fallow deer? It was originally a hunting island set up back in the 30's? But the state finally said no to gun use and it was sold a few times, there was a retreat center that only lasted a few years also.
And i may be way off but i though this was also the island that was owned by or at least the rumor goes owned by John Wayne and had exotic animals ie: giraffes, rhinos etc on it?
You can kayak around spieden and see the deer and goats though.
Would love to go shed hunting there..
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 18, 2010, 11:16:28 AM: Ive herd that when spiden was sold at one point there was a condition placed on the island that no hunting could occur...one of the owners at some point was a major anti...or so the story goes.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: GoldTip on February 18, 2010, 11:17:14 AM: Well I guess I should qualify my answer then if your not talking about exotics or pigs and only 200 acres. I guess I would need to know exactly what animals you are considering and are not considered exotics?
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 11:22:38 AM: pathfinder you got it now to much $ for the fence and hard to maintain the bision. no deer have to have special expensive permits and more $ for fence i am looking at animals that are smaller.

the animals that i am looking at are billy goats, painted desert rams, Texas dahl sheep, muflon, black hawaiian, Jacobs sheep, etc most like the rams that you would hunt in Texas. these are all considered livestock breeds and not classified under exotic for this state.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2010, 11:33:57 AM: Spieden Island:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spieden_Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spieden_Island)
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 11:46:29 AM: thanks for the link jackelope never heard of it before, yeah i am suprised it just does not go to bowhunting no prob then :dunno:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2010, 11:53:27 AM: This is from 1997:
Quote
Don't be surprised if the latest gazillionaire to buy a private island in the San Juans shows up in dark, stylish shades. He's James Jannard, the founder and major shareholder of designer-sunglass maker Oakley Inc.

Jannard is paying $22 million for Speiden Island, a 500-acre isle with abundant wildlife and its own airstrip that sits close to the watery divide between the United States and Canada.

Described as "secretive" by Forbes (which last summer put his wealth at $1 billion), Jannard will acquire the island through convoluted maneuvers by a shell company aptly named Under The Radar Inc. He could not be reached for comment.

His moves are chronicled in full detail, however, in the SEC documents filed by the island's current owner, Alaska Northwest Properties. The small public company is selling its other holdings, giving its few shareholders a big payout and then being swallowed by Jannard's shell.

Why sell now? Alaska Northwest execs figured the stock market boom meant that a lot of option-enriched executives might be island shopping. So, the filing says, last fall pictures and particulars were sent to some of the usual local suspects: Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Scott Oki, Attachmate chairman Frank Pritt and Orin Edson, founder of the Bayliner yacht business.

None showed interest (Allen, for one, had just purchased Lopez Island's Sperry Peninsula for $8 million, and he owns another island in Rosario Strait as well). Then Jannard unexpectedly surfaced with a $12 million offer, and negotiations led to the final $22 million deal that should be OK'd by Alaska Northwest shareholders next month.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 18, 2010, 11:57:05 AM: Thats alot of money for that island....
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Buckmark on February 18, 2010, 11:59:06 AM: $44000 per acre, pocket change.. :chuckle:
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: GoldTip on February 18, 2010, 12:33:29 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 11:22:38 AM
pathfinder you got it now to much $ for the fence and hard to maintain the bision. no deer have to have special expensive permits and more $ for fence i am looking at animals that are smaller.

the animals that i am looking at are billy goats, painted desert rams, Texas dahl sheep, muflon, black hawaiian, Jacobs sheep, etc most like the rams that you would hunt in Texas. these are all considered livestock breeds and not classified under exotic for this state.

Those are fun animals to hunt, but I wouldn't be willing to do it on a chunk of land only 200 acres in size. For me the size of the property matters more than whether it is fenced or not.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2010, 12:39:34 PM: Quote from: WDFW-SUX on February 18, 2010, 11:57:05 AM
Thats alot of money for that island....

That was 13 years ago too.

It's probably almost worth that much now...
;)
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 18, 2010, 12:42:25 PM: Quote from: jackelope on February 18, 2010, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: WDFW-SUX on February 18, 2010, 11:57:05 AM
Thats alot of money for that island....

That was 13 years ago too.

It's probably almost worth that much now...
;)

It's probably worth half of that now....CRASH... I wonder what the taxes are on that much water front...There is a 1.5% tax on title transfers in San Juan county too...330k... :o
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Rudy on February 18, 2010, 02:48:49 PM: Quote from: GoldTip on February 18, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Quote from: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 11:22:38 AM
pathfinder you got it now to much $ for the fence and hard to maintain the bision. no deer have to have special expensive permits and more $ for fence i am looking at animals that are smaller.

the animals that i am looking at are billy goats, painted desert rams, Texas dahl sheep, muflon, black hawaiian, Jacobs sheep, etc most like the rams that you would hunt in Texas. these are all considered livestock breeds and not classified under exotic for this state.

Those are fun animals to hunt, but I wouldn't be willing to do it on a chunk of land only 200 acres in size. For me the size of the property matters more than whether it is fenced or not.

:yeah: Id do it if you had a bigger area. clover creek ranch, down in oregon, has all of those same breeds of goats your talking about having, as well as a few other animals (pigs, bison), and sits on 2200 acres. ive been down there before, and had a great time. good off-season, fill your freezer type of hunt. as said before, the area was big enough to where you didnt feel like you were shooting fish in a barrell.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 03:02:30 PM: i would love to have a bigger one but i am looking at 5500.00 for 200 acres and that me building it so 5500*11=60500.00 and i don't have that kind of money. rudy do you have there web site or phone number i would love to look at there operation.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 03:06:31 PM: i found it wow that is some $ most of my aninals would sell for half of that is what i was thinking or at least 33% less.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 03:11:44 PM: 100.00 if you are successful on top of that and 100.00 for skinning after dark 100.00 :dunno: 100.00 for skinning large game wow that could get spendy fast. and also the cost of staying there 25.00 a night i would have none of these fees it would be all figured in and i don't know if that includes meals even.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Rudy on February 18, 2010, 03:50:59 PM: ya i went down there last year and dropped 400 on a pig, 50 for the two nights we stayed, braught our own food.

If you can do it cheaper, and closer, I just may have to bring my business to your place ;)
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 04:03:17 PM: yeah i am sure i could beat there prices. there painted rams are 900.00 mine would be around 600-650 my jacobs would be 500-550 were theres are 800.00 so i am sure i could be cheaper on my prices and i could do pigs just not wild boars oregon and washington can not have them anymore but i am sure i could pick up some good pigs to put in there as well.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: the1rod on February 18, 2010, 06:11:05 PM: man it sounds like you really gettin into this, if it works out save me a job, i would be happy to work for you at a place like that.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 08:03:17 PM: yep tryin to, i am going down the 26th of march to pick out 2 ewes and 1 ram to start thats all they can sell they are like one of the only painted sheep breeders in wa and or have to go to cali and tex to get more lol they will be lambing in april and i plan to pick some out of there new batch as well but if i don't end up doing the hunting i will just lamb them out and sell them as meat or 4-h or somthing but i think in the next year i should be up and running if i do this.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: the1rod on February 18, 2010, 08:39:39 PM: well shoot thats awsom. likd i said before i would love to help, even if you jsut need someone to go with you to get animals.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 09:32:21 PM: will keep you in mind if i need a extra set of hands. you aint to far away. only about 4 hrs
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: sisu on February 18, 2010, 09:48:33 PM: Mouflon sheep=a wild sheep, Ovis musimon, inhabiting the mountainous regions of Sardinia and Corsica, the male of which has large curving horns. They have these on the Big Island of Hawaii. Nice looking critter
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 18, 2010, 11:24:18 PM: the painted deserts that i am getting into first are a breed developed from cross breeding with the mouflon and you are right they are a cool sheep for sure and part of the reason why i like the painted deserts so much. you can raise them as livestock as well there is a few breeders in wa and or that have them.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: Birdguy on February 19, 2010, 10:03:14 PM: Make sure if you are getting ANY animals from out of state you get the proper paperwork form the Dept. of Agriculture. They have recently changed and allegedly plan on enforcing the rules with importing any animal/livestock in Washington (mad cow deal) :bash: :bash:. I got a multi-page letter from them and all I deal with is birds. It could get real expensive if you do not have everything approved ahead of time ;). Good luck.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: KimberRich on February 19, 2010, 10:07:27 PM: Quote from: Birdguy on February 19, 2010, 10:03:14 PM
Make sure if you are getting ANY animals from out of state you get the proper paperwork form the Dept. of Agriculture. They have recently changed and allegedly plan on enforcing the rules with importing any animal/livestock in Washington (mad cow deal) :bash: :bash:. I got a multi-page letter from them and all I deal with is birds. It could get real expensive if you do not have everything approved ahead of time ;). Good luck.

What are you doing up at this hour?? You need your beauty sleep so you can spend all your money on guns in the morning.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 19, 2010, 10:14:05 PM: not a prob my family has been farming and ranching here for 126 years, already got the calls in since i have never delt with sheep coming from Oregon to washington they need scrapese id tags, health certificate, and a brucolosis test on the ram :tup: i got it covered but thanks for the concern "mind the spelling lol"
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: bucklucky on February 22, 2010, 09:04:30 PM: I just had some clients get back from that Clover creek ranch in Oregon. They took a Watusi, longhorn/watusi cross , Mouflon, 2 4-horns or Jacobs Rams, and a angora. I was thinking about doing it to get a few specimens until they told me what them stinky little things cost :yike: Im not paying 800 bucks for an jacobs . Them things stink :chuckle: I think the Watusi was like 2500! Id like a Mouflon though. Maybe a Texas Dall.
Title: Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 22, 2010, 09:09:41 PM: yeah i would be less than them for sure, that is what we were talking about and yes they are spendy down there for sure and there is not one around here so i think i can hit a bit of market we all get board sitting around great youth hunts try new gear archery muzzle and put meat in the freezer and horns on the wall as well i would also do some budget rams and hogs as well.