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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2010, 10:48:14 AM »
exotics have to be done threw the state and some are banned due to the risk of disease and such to the native wildlife and also as far as deer and elk go that takes allot of special permits and stuff. the animals that i am looking at are considered livestock not exotics or wildlife so it is the same as anyone on here having the ground and starting a sheep heard which anyone can do. as far as the hunting there are no laws that i have found or been informed of when talking to fish and wildlife that says the animals cant be hunted. since it is on are own private ground. basically its the same thing as me selling a beef or goat or sheep on the hoof to  be slaughter by the buyer. usally you have a mobile slauter guy come kill the animal and haul it to the butcher. there are no guide lines for anything like this. so what diffrence does it make when the person buying the animal for meat comes and hunts them in the pasture/preserve. and what ever weapon they want to use also. no laws about that. so no exotics no wildlife just livestock, same as beef bison chickens etc
i am probably going to start with a 200 acre preserve then, if it takes off and i do good i will expand it as well. i have a great location not to far from portland not to far from seattle allot of people have to go to texas or cali for these kind of hunts will be much easier and cheaper than going all the way down there. os my ideas.
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2010, 10:50:52 AM »
So, your proposal would be to have an exotics hunting preserve, but not fence it?  I am confused.  I don't really see how that works.  How do you control it?
For what it's worth, a few years ago (about 6 or 7 I think) the bottom absolutely dropped out of the bison market.  A LOT of ranchers had started bison operations on the side, and they glutted the market.  I remember seeing a sign outside of Drummond MT for bison meat hunts for $300, wish I had taken advantage of that now :bash: :bash:.
Since then, a lot of guys got out of the business and the market has recovered.  Now most ranches that stayed in the business are doing fine, and for many of them there is a waiting list.  Might actually be worth the cost of fencing. :twocents:
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2010, 10:54:19 AM »
Why not just buy Spieden Island? 

Curious as to why that was closed.  I understand not wanting shots across the sound, but why not make it a bow hunting preserve then?
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2010, 10:59:22 AM »
no, i am saying a high fence ranch for livestock animals goats rams etc. that would be fenced in. you kinda have to read all the posts to see what i am thinking. and i would not do bison we talked about that in the first parts of this to hard to keep fenced in and handle.you could read shootmore's post and see why i don't want animals that big :chuckle:
i don't know were spieden island is at :dunno:
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2010, 11:10:33 AM »
no, i am saying a high fence ranch for livestock animals goats rams etc. that would be fenced in. you kinda have to read all the posts to see what i am thinking. and i would not do bison we talked about that in the first parts of this to hard to keep fenced in and handle.you could read shootmore's post and see why i don't want animals that big :chuckle:

This was the quote I was talking about.

i have thought about the bison as well but the fencening would be huge money there used to a guy intown that raised them and he did o.k. with them but they were always out and a pain in the but he said the smaller animals would be better for me not as much cost and easyer to handle as well.

I think I see what you are saying now.  It's not that you don't want to fence, you just don't want the cost of a fence that would actually keep a buffalo in.  I get it.  Still, if you are talking about exotic deer (are you?), I would think that would take one helluva fence too  :dunno:  I guess if you were just talking about goats and sheep, that would be a different thing again.
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2010, 11:11:47 AM »
If i remember right spieden island is in the san juans and is currently owned by the founder of Oakley products with a small area open to public use but only accessible by non motorized boats (kayak) and you have to stay in that area, no looking for sheds or exploring. There are rams and i though fallow deer? It was originally a hunting island set up back in the 30's? But the state finally said no to gun use and it was sold a few times, there was a retreat center that only lasted a few years also.
And i may be way off but i though this was also the island that was owned by or at least the rumor goes owned by John Wayne and had exotic animals ie: giraffes, rhinos etc on it?
You can kayak around spieden and see the deer and goats though.
Would love to go shed hunting there..
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2010, 11:16:28 AM »
Ive herd that when spiden was sold at one point there was a condition placed on the island that no hunting could occur...one of the owners at some point was a major anti...or so the story goes.
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2010, 11:17:14 AM »
Well I guess I should qualify my answer then if your not talking about exotics or pigs and only 200 acres.  I guess I would need to know exactly what animals you are considering and are not considered exotics?
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 11:22:38 AM »
pathfinder you got it now to much $ for the fence and hard to maintain the bision. no deer have to have special expensive permits and more $ for fence i am looking at animals that are smaller.

the animals that i am looking at are billy goats, painted desert rams, Texas dahl sheep, muflon, black hawaiian, Jacobs sheep, etc most like the rams that you would hunt in Texas. these are all considered livestock breeds and not classified under exotic for this state.
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2010, 11:33:57 AM »
:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2010, 11:46:29 AM »
thanks for the link jackelope never heard of it before, yeah i am suprised it just does not go to bowhunting no prob then  :dunno:
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2010, 11:53:27 AM »
This is from 1997:
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Don't be surprised if the latest gazillionaire to buy a private island in the San Juans shows up in dark, stylish shades. He's James Jannard, the founder and major shareholder of designer-sunglass maker Oakley Inc.

Jannard is paying $22 million for Speiden Island, a 500-acre isle with abundant wildlife and its own airstrip that sits close to the watery divide between the United States and Canada.

Described as "secretive" by Forbes (which last summer put his wealth at $1 billion), Jannard will acquire the island through convoluted maneuvers by a shell company aptly named Under The Radar Inc. He could not be reached for comment.

His moves are chronicled in full detail, however, in the SEC documents filed by the island's current owner, Alaska Northwest Properties. The small public company is selling its other holdings, giving its few shareholders a big payout and then being swallowed by Jannard's shell.

Why sell now? Alaska Northwest execs figured the stock market boom meant that a lot of option-enriched executives might be island shopping. So, the filing says, last fall pictures and particulars were sent to some of the usual local suspects: Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Scott Oki, Attachmate chairman Frank Pritt and Orin Edson, founder of the Bayliner yacht business.

None showed interest (Allen, for one, had just purchased Lopez Island's Sperry Peninsula for $8 million, and he owns another island in Rosario Strait as well). Then Jannard unexpectedly surfaced with a $12 million offer, and negotiations led to the final $22 million deal that should be OK'd by Alaska Northwest shareholders next month.

:fire.:

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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2010, 11:57:05 AM »
Thats alot of money for that island....
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2010, 11:59:06 AM »
$44000 per acre, pocket change.. :chuckle:
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Re: would anyone have any intrest in a hunting preserve?
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2010, 12:33:29 PM »
pathfinder you got it now to much $ for the fence and hard to maintain the bision. no deer have to have special expensive permits and more $ for fence i am looking at animals that are smaller.

the animals that i am looking at are billy goats, painted desert rams, Texas dahl sheep, muflon, black hawaiian, Jacobs sheep, etc most like the rams that you would hunt in Texas. these are all considered livestock breeds and not classified under exotic for this state.

Those are fun animals to hunt, but I wouldn't be willing to do it on a chunk of land only 200 acres in size.  For me the size of the property matters more than whether it is fenced or not.
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