Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2010, 11:40:22 AM
I have a 22-250 but have never even shot the thing. My co-worker wants an AR but he's been convinced that a 22-250 is the caliber he should have...
So we are also trying to figure out if there is such an animal as an AR type black rifle in 22-250. I am not a black gun guy so don't know anything about them, nor am I too familiar with the .22 caliber stuff.
I figure this thread should make for some good ford versus chevy versus dodge type conversation too... :peep:
Thanks in advance.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 26, 2010, 11:48:44 AM
.223 Remington Impact Energy
100 yds. = 998
200 yds. = 767
300 yds. = 581
400 yds. = 437
.22-250 Remington Impact Energy
100 yds. = 1302
200 yds. = 1010
300 yds. = 772
400 yds. = 582
500 yds. = 433
.223 Remington Impact Velocity
100 yds. = 2859
200 yds. = 2507
300 yds. = 2181
400 yds. = 1891
.22-250 Remington Impact Velocity
100 yds. = 3265
200 yds. = 2876
300 yds. = 2517
400 yds. = 2183
500 yds. = 1887
Post by: MtnMuley on February 26, 2010, 12:23:48 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2010, 12:26:53 PM
Also is there such a thing as an AR platformed rifle in 22-250?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 26, 2010, 12:27:36 PM
and
yes
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2010, 12:29:06 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 26, 2010, 12:31:28 PM
I kinda relate the 223 to the trusty ole 308--- worked for years and gets the job done. Where as I relate the 22-250 to the 7mag--- technology has created an upgrade with more energy and velocity, which should lead to better preformance.
Post by: coop2424 on February 26, 2010, 12:32:35 PM
223WSSM, 243WSSM, 25WSSM, and I believe a few other bigger bores, like 300 whisper, and a .45 calibre. (To add to Coop2424's list)
AR15
204
223
223 wssm
243 wssm
25 wssm
300 whisper
.45
5.56
6.5 Grendel
6.8 SPC
7.62x39
5.45x39
.22LR
5.7
.50 Beowulf
.410 shotgun
.450 bushmaster
AR10
22-250
.260 Remington
.243 Winchester
.308 Winchester
7.62x51mm
.338 Federal
6.5 Creedmoor
There is also a lot of pistol calibers that can be put in the AR15..
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 26, 2010, 12:32:53 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 26, 2010, 12:34:20 PM
Post by: sako223 on February 26, 2010, 12:37:20 PM
To get a .22-250 in an AR you have to go with a custom aR10 which is heavier. There have been factory runs of a few AR10 in .22-250 by Armalite but are hard to find. They can have feeding problems is the first reason you don't see that caliber in semi auto.
The .22-250 shoots flatter and generally has a 100 yard advantage over the .223 at all ranges. Practical experience shows the .22-250 to clearly have more authority on coyotes with less runners. The .223 is fine to 300 yds with placement of a good bullet.
Post by: Jamieb on February 26, 2010, 12:40:59 PM
If your going to get a AR then stick with .223, its been perfected.
I hunt yotes more with the 22-250 and just for fun shooting the 22-250 gets more use.
I load 50gr V-max's in both, they get to the target alot faster out of the 22-250 and with less drop/wind drift.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 26, 2010, 12:43:15 PM
If no what calibers are available for the 15 platform?
6.5 AR?
Post by: coop2424 on February 26, 2010, 12:47:40 PM
Can I change the barrel on my Colt AR15 and shoot somthing other than .223? Im thinking 308 or 7mm-08?
If no what calibers are available for the 15 platform?
6.5 AR?
Look at the list above.. Those are most of the calibers you could switch to. 308 and 7mm-08 would have to be AR10 platform..
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2010, 12:50:17 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 26, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 26, 2010, 12:53:07 PM
Post by: coop2424 on February 26, 2010, 12:57:25 PM
AR-15s are also chambered in 223WSSM, 243WSSM, 25WSSM, and I believe a few other bigger bores, like 300 whisper, and a .45 calibre. (To add to Coop2424's list)
Added those to the list.. ;)
Post by: whacker1 on February 26, 2010, 02:08:45 PM
I bought a bolt in 22.250. If I ever buy a AR platform, it will be in 223, because it is cheap.
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2010, 02:33:20 PM
AR-15s are also chambered in 223WSSM, 243WSSM, 25WSSM, and I believe a few other bigger bores, like 300 whisper, and a .45 calibre. (To add to Coop2424's list)
Added those to the list.. ;)
.450 Bushmaster
my 22-250 is in the form of a barrel for my T/C Encore
Post by: Special T on February 26, 2010, 04:09:32 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 26, 2010, 04:20:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2010, 05:12:03 PM
Only the AR for 223 if the decision is between the 2 rounds for a bolt gun then its not a choose 22-250. I would want a 223 AR because i always seem to miss judge the distance on my first shot... I think though you have to add about $400 to you budget to get one tho. :twocents:
Budget is not an issue right now.
I agree with your choices.
I like the idea of the 243 wssm for my ar 15....Rainshadow1 shoots a 243wssm on his R15 rifle I believe.
Post by: demontang on February 26, 2010, 05:28:20 PM
Post by: Big10gauge on February 26, 2010, 05:54:01 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 26, 2010, 08:07:48 PM
As stated you wont find a 22-250 ar15 the coal is to long for the mag. There a lots and lots of other cals out there for the ar15. The WSSM are a good one and the .223wssm is faster then the 22-250 or 220 swift from all the load data Ive seen. Theres a 6mm turbo thats seems to have good ballistics too. Id say look around online and decide what cal fits your needs. The wssm and ossm are to fastest for cal size in the AR15 and feed with out a problem.
very true they make a 243 r-25 i would look at if you are wanting a ar-15 style rifle. i have the 7mm-08 and love it and my cousin has the 308.
Post by: Bofire on February 27, 2010, 08:41:34 AM
Since both are meant for varmits and coyotes I do not consider energy or velocity at impact a factor. If you are having trouble killing with either, consider shot placement.
The bottom line is at long range you must hit the target the most important factor for that is consistancy, consistancy!!! look at the slow 308 with heavy bullets, one of the most effective long range cartridges in existance.
For long range use I give a fast twist 223(7-9 inch) the edge over the normal (12-14 inch) 22-250, due to the availability of heavy bullet use. the heavy 223 has a higher ballistic coefficent. :)
my 2
Carl
Post by: 700xcr on February 27, 2010, 11:19:29 AM
comparing cartridge to cartridge, 223 to 22-250. I dont care for AR's anyway so will not address that.I agree with you 100%. That is why when it comes down to rebarreling my Remington 700 SPS 26" Varmint 1 an12" 223rem. I will rebarrel it with a 26" Benchmark 223 Akley fluted stainless with a 1 an 9" twist. That way I can run with 70gr. Berger VLD's
Since both are meant for varmits and coyotes I do not consider energy or velocity at impact a factor. If you are having trouble killing with either, consider shot placement.
The bottom line is at long range you must hit the target the most important factor for that is consistancy, consistancy!!! look at the slow 308 with heavy bullets, one of the most effective long range cartridges in existance.
For long range use I give a fast twist 223(7-9 inch) the edge over the normal (12-14 inch) 22-250, due to the availability of heavy bullet use. the heavy 223 has a higher ballistic coefficent. :)
my 2
Carl
Post by: sako223 on February 27, 2010, 11:30:15 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 27, 2010, 11:52:56 AM
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=105&category_id=12&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37 (http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=105&category_id=12&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37)
:drool:
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on February 27, 2010, 09:48:14 PM
Post by: shaneman153D on February 27, 2010, 11:45:22 PM
Well I told myself that I wasn't going to chime in here but my fingers seem to have a mind of their own!!! Basically it boils down to what type of terrain you will be using you gun for. First off let me say that the areas I hunt can give me shot opportunities further than I am capable of shooting. My experience using a .223 has not been very satisfactory for me on anything over 200 to 250 yds. My .204 seems to be on step up from a .223 under my hunting conditions using a 32 gr Vmax. Now my :twocents: on a 22-250, it will do just about anything you need to do except now you are into a bolt gun. My current favorite coyote gun is a .243 bolt just because it knocks the dogs down and they stay down. I am currently building a .20 tac AR that is made to shoot 40 gr bullets which is very close to a 22-250 in terms of velocity and energy. My next build will be a .243 WSSM with Mike from DTech. While you don't have the magazine capacity of the .223 and .204 you probably don't need more than 5 or 6 rounds in a magazine at any given time anyway. The .243 WSSM will be more expensive to shoot given the cost of the brass and expensive magazines unless you know how to modify the magazines to accommodate the fat cartridges. You will definitely need a brass deflector so you won't lose any of the brass. Also some of the heavier 6mm bullets are too long to fit in the magazine. These are some of the issues of shooting the WSSM cartridges but may be of no importance to you. I would definitely look into a .243 WSSM as it has more versatility. The 6 x 45 is a very stable accurate cartridge also (.223 necked up to 6mm) but somewhat lacking in velocity but is very popular also.
I know max OAL can be a problem for commercially loaded heavy bullets, and a problem for heavy bullets in the 25WSSM but I think you're good on the .243.
And big10, P-mags can be pretty easily modded, and are way cheaper and better than the Oly mags. Mike mods his with Pmag followers IIRC. The 20 rounder will hold 7 and the 30 will hod 11. There's a guy on predatormasters that will do it for you, can't remember his name though.
Did you already order it? I told myself when I shoot this one out I'm going to send it to him for a shilen barrel and the D-Tech touch.
I'm well on my way just in load development. :chuckle:
Post by: Intruder on March 01, 2010, 08:00:13 AM
The real difference is cost of shooting them. Currently I'm able to buy 223 ammo for about 45-50 cents a shot. If you're not reloading the 22-250 is gonna cost ya bout a buck and a quarter a shot.
One of the main reason I got a 223 was for all around versatility. I plink with it, shot squirrels, and yotes. It is really my main "practice" gun for developing shooting skills. As such I end up shooting hundreds of shots a year. A lot harder to justify that when your shots cost 70+ cents more a piece :twocents:
Post by: sako223 on March 01, 2010, 08:32:22 AM
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I hope 5200 fps was a typo , my 22-250 ackley comes nowhere near that speed.
Well over 5100
http://www.accuratereloading.com/22250ai.html (http://www.accuratereloading.com/22250ai.html)
Here is the 223 AI
http://www.accuratereloading.com/223ackley.html (http://www.accuratereloading.com/223ackley.html)